Grant Hill: No offense to Lebron, but guarding Kobe was the ultimate challenge

[STATUTORY]

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[Ben Simmons 25]

Everyone knows Kobe was a more dynamic scoring threat than LeBron. Great thread, OP. Great... thread. Thanks for your contribution.

[Sportal]

The real challenge for Kobe was shooting above 50%.

[STATUTORY]

The real challenge for Kobe was shooting above 50%.

for a skill wing player a FG between .45 and .51 is ideal tbh, anything higher than that and it's clear you are cherry picking and shying away from taking tough shots. Ala Lebron

[3ball]

Everyone knows Kobe was a more dynamic scoring threat than LeBron. Great thread, OP. Great... thread. Thanks for your contribution.
And winner

His skill set wasn't restricted to ball-dominance, so he didn't "need shooters" and could play with a wider range of player types and styles... So his team had a higher ceiling and won more

[Hey Yo]

Does it show the part where Grant wondered why he was always was assigned to guard Kobe with everyone knowing he had a bum ankle?

[G0ATbe]

We used to be such a confident bunch when it came to the Kobe/LeBron debate. Now that the dust has settled and LeBrons the clear victor it's like we're trapped in a loophole desperately going on daily manhunts for any small sense of affirmation to help us cope. Watching the LeBron-MJ debate from the outside looking in breaks my heart everyday. It should've been Kobe:(

[AirTupac]

Another NBA legend siding with Kobe who has played against the guy. Listen up you virgin retards :oldlol:

[Ben Simmons 25]

And winner

His skill set wasn't restricted to ball-dominance, so he didn't "need shooters" and could play with a wider range of player types and styles... So his team had a higher ceiling and won more

Bullshit.

LeBron in his prime = 0% chance of ever missing the playoffs even with the shittiest team in the league. Kobe missed the playoffs, got bounced in the first round and blew a 3 to 1 lead.

LeBron didn't also ALWAYS need shooters... that's just become more progressively true as he's aged and unable to blow by people alone.

[SamuraiSWISH]

More shots fired by the ultimate NBA gentleman, my man G-Hill damnnnn get him G.

Actually he said Jordan first.

And to think he only saw a 1995 to 1998 Jordan. He didn’t even catch the prime version of the greatest of all time.

Then Kobe.

Then LeBron.

Maybe Kenny’s ranker.com theory is correct, and it’s NBA players voting on it. Not just him.

:eek:


The real challenge for Kobe was shooting above 50%.
I guess when you’re not deliberately not shooting shots, trying to protect your field goal percentage, that’s what happens.

Kobe took a lot of it rationally confident or cocky shots. Kind of plummeted his field goal percentage at times. Not indicative of his shot making abilities consistently.

[tpols]

Bullshit.

LeBron in his prime = 0% chance of ever missing the playoffs even with the shittiest team in the league. Kobe missed the playoffs, got bounced in the first round and blew a 3 to 1 lead.

LeBron didn't also ALWAYS need shooters... that's just become more progressively true as he's aged and unable to blow by people alone.


:biggums:


Bran just did 28/8/8 and missed the playoffs.

ya damn dummy.

sheesh....

[Ben Simmons 25]

:biggums:


Bran just did 28/8/8 and missed the playoffs.

ya damn dummy.

sheesh....

LeBron in year 16 = at his peak/prime as a player and as a defender? Interesting.

His stats are inflated because the NBA in 2019 is a joke. But LeBron at his peak shits on Kobe at his peak.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron should’ve focused less on stat padding meaningless defensive rebounds, or a couple hollow assists, and should have averaged like 4 to 5 more points per game.

[Ben Simmons 25]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LeBron should

[3ball]

Bullshit.

LeBron in his prime = 0% chance of ever missing the playoffs


In the East

We see that he probably misses the playoffs every year in the West until he teamed up

And even then he would only make 3 Finals in his career since he's 3/9 against the West





LeBron didn't also ALWAYS need shooters... that's just become more progressively true as he's aged and unable to blow by people alone.


Guys who have the ball in their hands need shooters

Lebron always had the ball in his hands and has never played without the ball, so he's always needed shooters

The narrative in 2009 was how the team was built well around him because he had shooters.. so he's always needed them

[knicksman]

LeBron in year 16 = at his peak/prime as a player and as a defender? Interesting.

His stats are inflated because the NBA in 2019 is a joke. But LeBron at his peak shits on Kobe at his peak.


because youre a statnerd

[SpaceJam2]

The toughest challenge was Kobe shooting over 46% once in a season :lol

[Sportal]

Btw, does Hill think he's stopping LeBron from 2012-2014? In the same condition that he played Kobe in.. how about 2007 LeBron? Find it hard to believe tbh.

Btw, Kobe can score in a much bigger range of ways. But why say something like this, you didn't stop LeBron. You wouldn't stop him.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Btw, does Hill think he's stopping LeBron from 2012-2014? In the same condition that he played Kobe in.. how about 2007 LeBron? Find it hard to believe tbh.

Btw, Kobe can score in a much bigger range of ways. But why say something like this, you didn't play LeBron. You wouldn't stop him.

:applause:

[Vino24]

Kobe was 6-16 vs LeBron. Dynamic indeed

[SamuraiSWISH]

Actually Grant Hill was a high-level defender in his mid to late 30s during that stretch when the sons had him guarding Kobe. And think about it, he was doing it at that old age on one ankle.

[Sportal]

I actually completely forgot he moonlighted for the Suns he was that irrelevant, woops.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/grant_hill_vs_lebron_james.htm

https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/kobe_bryant_vs_grant_hill.htm

[Mr.GOAT2408]

And winner

His skill set wasn't restricted to ball-dominance, so he didn't "need shooters" and could play with a wider range of player types and styles... So his team had a higher ceiling and won more
A lot of people think you're trolling, and obviously people here do troll - I'm guilty of it to an extent - but there's a lot of truth to this statement. Been re-watching a ton of Lakers games from back then and he was not very ball-dominant compared to other stars, when he did have the ball it was usually for a short time. No wasted movements

[SpaceJam2]

Btw, does Hill think he's stopping LeBron from 2012-2014? In the same condition that he played Kobe in.. how about 2007 LeBron? Find it hard to believe tbh.

Btw, Kobe can score in a much bigger range of ways. But why say something like this, you didn't stop LeBron. You wouldn't stop him.

Well so far Kawhi, Butler PG13, Draymond, Iggy have all tried to no avail but maybe Grant Hill has the secret recipe :lol

[Overdrive]

Btw, does Hill think he's stopping LeBron from 2012-2014? In the same condition that he played Kobe in.. how about 2007 LeBron? Find it hard to believe tbh.

Btw, Kobe can score in a much bigger range of ways. But why say something like this, you didn't stop LeBron. You wouldn't stop him.

I remembered Hill doing decent jobs on James, when he was kinda back to form. Checked the H2H and more often than not he kept his stats down. Sometimes he totally got roasted though.

It's hard to stop a talent like Lebron, but out of the top 20 player he was the easiest to give him a total off night any given game.



The real challenge for Kobe was shooting above 50%.

When Lebron had to play an iso style like Jordan, Kobe, TMac, AI among others had to in the '15 finals how did this turn out for his FG%?

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[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LeBron should

[Overdrive]

His freethrow % should tell you more about his "true" shooting percentages

While alot great ft shooters are also good shooters, atleast when set, there are guys like Bruce Bowen aswell. Doesn't always correlate.

[34-24 Footwork]

While alot great ft shooters are also good shooters, atleast when set, there are guys like Bruce Bowen aswell. Doesn't always correlate.

I agree. But within context, dudes like Shaq, Lebron, and Tyson Chandler aren't great "shooters" regardless of what their FG% is.

Context matters.

[nayte]

So in this thread I've seen people argue against Hill who was an nba player who defended all of them. U can't make this shit up

[Manny98]

I'm tired of this ****boi constantly hating on LeBron

Wtf did LeBron do to him

Homeless ass version of LeBron **** Grant Hill

[Manny98]

So in this thread I've seen people argue against Hill who was an nba player who defended all of them. U can't make this shit up
Hill is just a hating ass bitch he will say anything to put down LeBron

[coin24]

Kobe fam keep collecting them wins damn:cheers:

[coin24]

Hill is just a hating ass bitch he will say anything to put down LeBron



Rest in piss wheels

[nayte]

Hill is just a hating ass bitch he will say anything to put down LeBron

For real? Hill is an nba player. U stans want to disssgree.
Edit. To I don't even care who he said was best but to shiet on a guy who would actually know is crazy

[Phoenix]

Hill is just a hating ass bitch he will say anything to put down LeBron

When has Grant Hill displayed any sort of 'hate' towards another player? If he had said 'Lebron was the toughest to guard', you'd be down on your knees trying to suck off his ********. But because he didn't, he's hating. General ISH logic: anyone with an opinion contrary to my own is 'hatin'. Bunch of whiny-ass bitches in here, starting with this inbreed right here.

[pauk]

Kobe's offensive mindset is far more agressive scoring wise, like even if he is icecold he will not give up trying to impact some other way offensively (passing? taking more reasonable shots?), he doesnt give a shit if he is 0 of 20 FGA that game he will go at you trying to score 24-7, so ofcourse individually if you are on him it will be more pain in the arse for yourself, individually you will not get bailed out.......

Whereas Lebron will more often (compared to Kobe) dish it to create for teammates, punishing you according the team defense, Lebron is more of a pain in the arse for the whole team-team defense / coach instead....

[Manny98]

For real? Hill is an nba player. U stans want to disssgree.
Edit. To I don't even care who he said was best but to shiet on a guy who would actually know is crazy
Hill is a shit defender anyway so his opinion is meaningless

LeBron destroyed him every time they played now he mad so hes going to use every chance he gets to put down LeBron to the media

[pauk]

Still, i doubt any player honestly thinks its harder to guard Kobe or something 1on1 / individually IF both (if Lebron) were super agressive scoring wise... i mean the dude is what 2-3" - 50+ lbs bigger... faster, stronger, jumps higher... and ehm, could maybe rack the most points in NBA history and has higher ppg average & efficiency there despite "not trying" (dishing the ball), i mean the point is the dude can score with the best of em.... its just that he would bail you out more often with his dishing... but bailing you out individually meant often punishing your entire damn team (pass to a wideopen teammate, buckets)... so this whole thing is subjective...

[Nowitness]

I always take the opinion of a player with a grain of salt. Bear in mind most arguments used for Kobe >>> LeBron is "Iverson said Kobe is better, Pierce said he is better, Barkley says he is better" and the list grows. Great players but their opinions are never based in fact or history but they are even more prisoner of THEIR moment and never evolve their opinions. Saying that I do respect G. Hill, he is on of the players I feel does evolve his opinion and I trust he is being sincere when he says this. Could just mean he didn't match up well with Kobe (as if he ever did with LeBron).

[nayte]

Hill is a shit defender anyway so his opinion is meaningless

LeBron destroyed him every time they played now he mad so hes going to use every chance he gets to put down LeBron to the media

Cmon dude.. Anyway u feel that way all good. We will leave it be

[nayte]

I always take the opinion of a player with a grain of salt. Bear in mind most arguments used for Kobe >>> LeBron is "Iverson said Kobe is better, Pierce said he is better, Barkley says he is better" and the list grows. Great players but their opinions are never based in fact or history but they are even more prisoner of THEIR moment and never evolve their opinions. Saying that I do respect G. Hill, he is on of the players I feel does evolve his opinion and I trust he is being sincere when he says this. Could just mean he didn't match up well with Kobe (as if he ever did with LeBron).

You and pauk spent a lot of words to say his opinion sucks.

[Nowitness]

You and pauk spent a lot of words to say his opinion sucks.

Pretty much

[nayte]

Pretty much


Haha fair enough..great answer

[Phoenix]

Hill is a shit defender anyway so his opinion is meaningless

LeBron destroyed him every time they played now he mad so hes going to use every chance he gets to put down LeBron to the media

Kobe destroyed Hill in the 2009 playoffs. Why wouldn't he put him down for the same reason? Like, are you aware of the cognitive dissonance dripping throughout your arguments?

[jlip]

Statements like these aren't out of the ordinary. Clyde Drexler said that Rolando Blackmon was the toughest player for him to guard. Gary Payton said that John Stockton was the toughest player for him. For Kobe, he said that Reggie Miller was the toughest.

[superduper]

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[Phoenix]

You and pauk spent a lot of words to say his opinion sucks.

General rule of ISH: The validity of a player's opinion rests squarely on whether it matches 'my own'. Which is not to say, some players opinions don't need to be consumed with a cup of salt....but Hill has never presented himself as someone petty enough to intentionally 'hate' on a player. I stand to be corrected, but I've never seen it and I've heard enough of his commentary.

I understand why some players will say Kobe was a tougher cover, and it doesn't always have anything to do with whether they think he was a better player or not. For the same reasons someone will say Reggie Miller was one of the toughest covers, even though there's a number of better shooting guards in the hierarchy of that position. A player that is constantly in score/attack mode means there isn't a moment where you can really take your foot off the gas pedal, and that can be wearying over the course of 40 minutes. Lebron will present a different defensive challenge, and whether a particular player thinks its 'harder' or 'easier' to defend based on their own experience, we really need to get away from this bullshit that its hate or that the player doesn't know what he's talking about. If someone thinks Kobe gave them a tougher defensive challenge.....that's it. We can argue stats and who's better and all that redundant bullshit, but that player is speaking to their own truth. Same as if someone were to argue that Lebron was a tougher cover for whatever reasons. That's THEIR truth.

We all need to step back from the fanboying nonsense and stop projecting our own preferences in the service of invalidating someone else's opinion that doesn't resonate, especially when it comes to the players who would have first hand account of things we're only witnessing through a TV or from the stands, no matter how informed we think we may be of what we're seeing.

[The Iron Fist]

LeBron in year 16 = at his peak/prime as a player and as a defender? Interesting.

His stats are inflated because the NBA in 2019 is a joke. But LeBron at his peak shits on Kobe at his peak.
Playing in the east is a joke.

Lebron beat a team led by Roy Hibbert. :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Playing in the east is a joke.

Lebron beat a team led by Roy Hibbert. :roll:

Took your boy Kobe 6 Finals trips to land a FMVP

1/6 :lol
Curry is at 0/4 so Stay humble

[Jasper]

did Hill even play against Bron :confusedshrug:

Certainly not in his prime.... Hill was already a low life broadcaster

[ronniec]

I believe for the ones who like to bring up Kobe and Lebron's FG% never really watch the game.

Not who is better or who is not, just talk about FG%.

Whoever did watch the game know, Kobe took a lot of shots that were risky, tough situations, sometimes those were not even necessary.
Can't say Lebron's shot are more selective, but absolutely Kobe took more that kind of shots that affected his FG%.

Just for pure shooting, this FG% BS can't really tell Lebron is a better shooter/scorer than Kobe, especially without context.

[Manny98]

I believe for the ones who like to bring up Kobe and Lebron's FG% never really watch the game.

Not who is better or who is not, just talk about FG%.

Whoever did watch the game know, Kobe took a lot of shots that were risky, tough situations, sometimes those were not even necessary.
Can't say Lebron's shot are more selective, but absolutely Kobe took more that kind of shots that affected his FG%.

Just for pure shooting, this FG% BS can't really tell Lebron is a better shooter/scorer than Kobe, especially without context.
LeBron scores more points and is more efficient in doing so therefore he's the better scorer It's not rocket science

[SpaceJam2]

LeBron scores more points and is more efficient in doing so therefore he's the better scorer It's not rocket science
100%

How is this even up for a debate :lol Kobe doesn't lead in any category except free throws and taking dumbass shots :roll:

[Hey Yo]

Does it show the part where Grant wondered why he was always was assigned to guard Kobe with everyone knowing he had a bum ankle?
Not surprised the Kobe stans and haters didnt respond to my post.

I watched the interview live and above is exactly what Hill said.

[ronniec]

LeBron scores more points and is more efficient in doing so therefore he's the better scorer It's not rocket science

That's why people saying Lebron taking shots selectively, trying to preserve his FG%.
That's why people saying Lebron stat pad.

There is a reason why people saying so.

[Manny98]

That's why people saying Lebron taking shots selectively, trying to preserve his FG%.
That's why people saying Lebron stat pad.

There is a reason why people saying so.
Taking smarter shots is a part of what makes you a better scorer?

[SpaceJam2]

That's why people saying Lebron taking shots selectively, trying to preserve his FG%.
That's why people saying Lebron stat pad.

There is a reason why people saying so.

Yeah lol yet somehow LBJ still has thousands of points more than Kobe and passed Kobe on less shot attempts and less playoff games :lol

Not. A. Debate.

Next

[Jasper]

I call that smarter player.
Not goat impressionistic.

[The Iron Fist]

Took your boy Kobe 6 Finals trips to land a FMVP

1/6 :lol
Curry is at 0/4 so Stay humble
Im a Kareem guy. :roll: You know, the one who won in the east and west.:rockon:

[Norcaliblunt]

Kobe needed the most dominate center and then the best frontline in the league to win anything.

[ronniec]

Yeah lol yet somehow LBJ still has thousands of points more than Kobe and passed Kobe on less shot attempts and less playoff games :lol

Not. A. Debate.

Next

Not a debate is, your man hiding in the East for more than a decade, and finally got exposed in the West.

/thread.

[SpaceJam2]

Not a debate is, your man hiding in the East for more than a decade, and finally got exposed in the West.

/thread.

Nice deflection.

Sounds good doesn't work /Trump

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe is better than Bran.

Water is wet.

[ronniec]

Nice deflection.

Sounds good doesn't work /Trump

It is just you guys like to bring up the stats straight without any context, and refuse to see the asterisk next to them,

[AirBonner]

16-6 vs Kobe. Next

[SpaceJam2]

It is just you guys like to bring up the stats straight without any context, and refuse to see the asterisk next to them,

Again

Somehow LBJ still has thousands of points more than Kobe and passed Kobe on less shot attempts in fewer playoff games :lol

Not. A. Debate.

Next

[ronniec]

Again

Somehow LBJ still has thousands of points more than Kobe and passed Kobe on less shot attempts in fewer playoff games :lol

Not. A. Debate.

Next

Again...

If you like to use plain stats without context to prove something, go ahead

Your dude is about 3000 less points than Karl Malone, so he is inferior to the Mailman.

Your dude only has 3 rings, Kobe has 5
5>3, Kobe is better (you like stats without context, right??)

Talk about rings, where does your dude rank??
How many players were the alpha and won more than your dude?

Player name/team/year start/year end/# of rings

1
Bill Russell* BOS 1957 1969 11

2
Sam Jones* BOS 1959 1969 10

3
John Havlicek* BOS 1963 1976 8

Tom Heinsohn* BOS 1957 1965 8

K.C. Jones* BOS 1959 1966 8

Tom Sanders* BOS 1961 1969 8

7
Robert Horry HOU/LAL/SAS 1994 2007 7

Frank Ramsey* BOS 1957 1964 7

9
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* MIL/LAL 1971 1988 6

Bob Cousy* BOS 1957 1963 6

Michael Jordan* CHI 1991 1998 6

Jim Loscutoff BOS 1957 1964 6

Scottie Pippen* CHI 1991 1998 6

14
Kobe Bryant LAL 2000 2010 5

Michael Cooper LAL 1980 1988 5

Tim Duncan SAS 1999 2014 5

Derek Fisher LAL 2000 2010 5

Ron Harper CHI/LAL 1996 2001 5

Magic Johnson* LAL 1980 1988 5

Steve Kerr CHI/SAS 1996 2003 5

Slater Martin* MNL/STL 1950 1958 5

George Mikan* MNL 1949 1954 5

Don Nelson* BOS 1966 1976 5

Jim Pollard* MNL 1949 1954 5

Dennis Rodman* DET/CHI 1989 1998 5

Larry Siegfried BOS 1964 1969 5

27
Manu Ginobili SAS 2003 2014 4

Horace Grant CHI/LAL 1991 2001 4

Vern Mikkelsen* MNL 1950 1954 4

Shaquille O'Neal* LAL/MIA 2000 2006 4

Robert Parish* BOS/CHI 1981 1997 4

Tony Parker SAS 2003 2014 4

Will Perdue CHI/SAS 1991 1999 4

Kurt Rambis LAL 1982 1988 4

John Salley DET/CHI/LAL 1989 2000 4

Pep Saul ROC/MNL 1951 1954 4

Bill Sharman* BOS 1957 1961

[The Iron Fist]

Wil Perdue >>>> lebron

[ronniec]

Wil Perdue >>>> lebron

I just want to count the alpha ones..
Lebron still probably on #15-20

GOAT my @$$

[egokiller]

Bullshit.

LeBron in his prime = 0% chance of ever missing the playoffs even with the shittiest team in the league. Kobe missed the playoffs, got bounced in the first round and blew a 3 to 1 lead.

LeBron didn't also ALWAYS need shooters... that's just become more progressively true as he's aged and unable to blow by people alone.

Kobe played in a more difficult conference, so of course he's going to miss the playoffs from time to time. LeBron can't make the playoffs in the west right now. That 4th seed before injury is just bullshit because of the weak schedule.

[ronniec]

Kobe played in a more difficult conference, so of course he's going to miss the playoffs from time to time. LeBron can't make the playoffs in the west right now. That 4th seed before injury is just bullshit because of the weak schedule.

That's why Lebron stans want.. no context.

Without context, Lebron is Gawd. All time leader of this all time leaders of that.

With context, a bunch of players ahead of him.

[Nowitness]

That's why Lebron stans want.. no context.

Without context, Lebron is Gawd. All time leader of this all time leaders of that.

With context, a bunch of players ahead of him.

Technically I think the no context would help Kobe, LeBron was the best player on 8 teams that made the final and 3 that won, Kobe was the best player on 3 teams that made the finals and the best for 2 that won.

Without context Kobe looks like a top 6-7 player, with the boy is just in the top 15

LeBron at worse is a top 5 player ever, most consider him 2nd, some consider him 1st.

Grant Hill is salty LeBron took what he did when healthy with Detroit and did it 10x better, he prolly has PTSD off of those skin graphs

[BigShotBob]

Technically I think the no context would help Kobe, LeBron was the best player on 8 teams that made the final and 3 that won, Kobe was the best player on 3 teams that made the finals and the best for 2 that won.

Without context Kobe looks like a top 6-7 player, with the boy is just in the top 15

LeBron at worse is a top 5 player ever, most consider him 2nd, some consider him 1st.

Grant Hill is salty LeBron took what he did when healthy with Detroit and did it 10x better, he prolly has PTSD off of those skin graphs

Grant Hill literally has no reason to be "salty" about Lebron's accomplishments. What in the world :oldlol:

[superduper]

Grant Hill literally has no reason to be "salty" about Lebron's accomplishments. What in the world :oldlol:

It's hilarious the delusional alternate fantasy fairy tale realities Bran stans spin up in their heads.

[Nowitness]

Grant Hill literally has no reason to be "salty" about Lebron's accomplishments. What in the world :oldlol:

Just watch Open Court when they said he was LeBron before LeBron and he puts his hands up, licks his lips and says 'I was'. Literally never seen a man pounce at a statement like that.

Salty his peak lasted 4 seasons whilst LeBron has played better then he ever did for 17 straight seasons. NBA players whilst never admitting it care about their historical place, when your place is 'LeBron before LeBron' I'd be pretty salty also.

[AirTupac]

These virgin retards who couldnt even make it on their highschool teams wont accept what a legit NBA player has to say? I'm shocked....

[BigShotBob]

Just watch Open Court when they said he was LeBron before LeBron and he puts his hands up, licks his lips and says 'I was'. Literally never seen a man pounce at a statement like that.

Salty his peak lasted 4 seasons whilst LeBron has played better then he ever did for 17 straight seasons. NBA players whilst never admitting it care about their historical place, when your place is 'LeBron before LeBron' I'd be pretty salty also.

Grant Hill's injuries were on him. He kept trying to come back too soon and it was also horrifically mismanaged. The Suns organization kept him literally on his last leg.

But Grant Hill blames himself too. It wasn't as if his career ended because he was struck by lightning.

I assure you that he is not "salty" about Lebron. In general he wants people to remember how great he was. Any player wants that.

I guarantee you that Lebron knows how great Grant Hill was too.

[superduper]

Grant Hill's injuries were on him. He kept trying to come back too soon and it was also horrifically mismanaged. The Suns organization kept him literally on his last leg.

But Grant Hill blames himself too. It wasn't as if his career ended because he was struck by lightning.

I assure you that he is not "salty" about Lebron. In general he wants people to remember how great he was. Any player wants that.

I guarantee you that Lebron knows how great Grant Hill was too.

Bran has absolutely not respect for the history of the game of basketball given his "I'm da GOAT :rant :cry: " comments and shameless cowardly colluding.

[SpaceJam2]

Grant Hill is the ultimate authority, with 8 playoff appearances and 7 first round exits. Now that's a record that probably won't be beat! Can anyone look up Tracy McGrady to see who wins it?

[Nowitness]

Grant Hill's injuries were on him. He kept trying to come back too soon and it was also horrifically mismanaged. The Suns organization kept him literally on his last leg.

But Grant Hill blames himself too. It wasn't as if his career ended because he was struck by lightning.

I assure you that he is not "salty" about Lebron. In general he wants people to remember how great he was. Any player wants that.

I guarantee you that Lebron knows how great Grant Hill was too.

Maybe, or he just knows 'that's the guy people say was a worse version of me before me'.

Either way the comments come off as salty, just look up the Open Court clip to see. The scars, both physical from horrible ankles and mental from career failure have ruined him.

[BigShotBob]

Bran has absolutely not respect for the history of the game of basketball given his "I'm da GOAT :rant :cry: " comments and shameless cowardly colluding.

:oldlol:

I think that was disrespectful for him to say not only in regards to the history of the game but it is a sleight against his teammates to me as well.

Everything is a team accomplishment until Lebron does it. Then it was all him.


Grant Hill is the ultimate authority, with 8 playoff appearances and 7 first round exits. Now that's a record that probably won't be beat! Can anyone look up Tracy McGrady to see who wins it?

What happened to Lebron in the 2011 NBA Finals?

[knicksman]

Technically I think the no context would help Kobe, LeBron was the best player on 8 teams that made the final and 3 that won, Kobe was the best player on 3 teams that made the finals and the best for 2 that won.

Without context Kobe looks like a top 6-7 player, with the boy is just in the top 15

LeBron at worse is a top 5 player ever, most consider him 2nd, some consider him 1st.

Grant Hill is salty LeBron took what he did when healthy with Detroit and did it 10x better, he prolly has PTSD off of those skin graphs

nah its lebron. Applying context, lebron is a colluder/cheater while others arent.

[SpaceJam2]

:oldlol:

I think that was disrespectful for him to say not only in regards to the history of the game but it is a sleight against his teammates to me as well.

Everything is a team accomplishment until Lebron does it. Then it was all him.



What happened to Lebron in the 2011 NBA Finals?

Wade went for another 2006 performance but fell short :confusedshrug:

[Nowitness]

nah its lebron. Applying context, lebron is a colluder/cheater while others arent.

*refused to play for Charlotte
*forced LA to chose between him and Shaq
*ready to sign with Chicago unless LA signed a 20/10 big to help him win
*refused to take a pay cut when he had a comparable impact to Monta Ellis

Sure, LeBron looks bad

[SpaceJam2]

*refused to play for Charlotte
*forced LA to chose between him and Shaq
*ready to sign with Chicago unless LA signed a 20/10 big to help him win
*refused to take a pay cut when he had a comparable impact to Monta Ellis

Sure, LeBron looks bad

The Kobe ethers just keep on coming :applause:

[knicksman]

*refused to play for Charlotte
*forced LA to chose between him and Shaq
*ready to sign with Chicago unless LA signed a 20/10 big to help him win
*refused to take a pay cut when he had a comparable impact to Monta Ellis

Sure, LeBron looks bad

its called bluffing. Curry did it too with GSW and when they drafted him curry cant do anything. :confusedshrug:

Competitive players want to be the man of the team. Id rather have that than colluding.

And forcing a trade? Cant blame him. You are in your prime, and LA wanted to rebuild and he definitely proved them wrong. Hes definitely worth building around.

-whatever.

In the end, applying context, lebron is the worst. Colluding killed the NBA and cheaters just arent respected as the same as those who play fair.

[Nowitness]

its called bluffing. Curry did it too with GSW and when they drafted him curry cant do anything. :confusedshrug:

Competitive players want to be the man of the team. Id rather have that than colluding.

And forcing a trade? Cant blame him. You are in your prime, and LA wanted to rebuild and he definitely proved them wrong. Hes definitely worth building around.

-whatever.

In the end, applying context, lebron is the worst. Colluding killed the NBA and cheaters just arent respected as the same as those who play fair.

Last time I checked Curry is playing for GS, Kobe forced his way into an amazing situation, LBJ was drafted to the worst franchise in sports

Single handily cost LA 2 more championships by doing it so he would get his individual shine, say what you want but LeBron never needed to trade a player away to become the best player on his team. It took Kobe (who most claim is a better scorer than LBJ) 7 seasons to even lead his own team in scoring :roll:

Without a 20/10 big Kobe has zero chips as the man.

Colluding killed nothing, this year is an interesting as ever

[knicksman]

Last time I checked Curry is playing for GS, Kobe forced his way into an amazing situation, LBJ was drafted to the worst franchise in sports

Single handily cost LA 2 more championships by doing it so he would get his individual shine, say what you want but LeBron never needed to trade a player away to become the best player on his team. It took Kobe (who most claim is a better scorer than LBJ) 7 seasons to even lead his own team in scoring :roll:

Without a 20/10 big Kobe has zero chips as the man.

Colluding killed nothing, this year is an interesting as ever

Is it kobes fault that jerry west wanted him? :confusedshrug: In the end, they both did the same. Theyre both bluffing. Kobe already said, that he will play with the nets had they drafted him. Lots of players have done that. But collusion? only a f@g could ever think of doing that.

Without a 20/10. LOL If youre smart, you could say the same for lebron. Without big 3, hes ringless. But youre dumb so you think having a 20/10 is better than having a big 3. LOL

And no wonder youre a bron stan, you have low standards so you think this league is better than ever.

[kennethgriffen]

IMO it would be a nice day off guarding lebron


1. half of the time all you're doing is standing at the top of the key waiting for lebron to pass to someone

2. another 25% of the time you're daring him to shoot wide open

3. and the last 25% of the time you're funnelling him to his left for a contested layup where theres very little contact because lebrons afraid to go to the line




meanwhile for kobe you always have to worry about his sharp elbows to the ribs or his flailing arms to the face. hes always pump faking you into a foul. hes always looking to score so you can never take plays off. and he's looking to embarrass you/trash talk you to the point where you wanna fight the guy

[kennethgriffen]

plus during timeouts and after the game lebrons trying to recruit you so he's nice to you most of the game

[Hey Yo]

its called bluffing. Curry did it too with GSW and when they drafted him curry cant do anything. :confusedshrug:

Competitive players want to be the man of the team. Id rather have that than colluding.

And forcing a trade? Cant blame him. You are in your prime, and LA wanted to rebuild and he definitely proved them wrong. Hes definitely worth building around.

-whatever.

In the end, applying context, lebron is the worst. Colluding killed the NBA and cheaters just arent respected as the same as those who play fair.
Then why did Curry and the rest of the GS players recruit KD the entire 2016 season?

Kobe could have been the man in NJ if he let them draft him, instead he chose to ride the bench for the Lakers his first 2yrs, handing out gatorade and towels during time outs.

[knicksman]

Then why did Curry and the rest of the GS players recruit KD the entire 2016 season?

Kobe could have been the man in NJ if he let them draft him, instead he chose to ride the bench for the Lakers his first 2yrs, handing out gatorade and towels during time outs.


i dont have time for the dumbest poster, chico.

[Hey Yo]

i dont have time for the dumbest poster, chico.
Didn't think you'd get that shook after getting your ass handed to you.

[SpaceJam2]

Then why did Curry and the rest of the GS players recruit KD the entire 2016 season?

Kobe could have been the man in NJ if he let them draft him, instead he chose to ride the bench for the Lakers his first 2yrs, handing out gatorade and towels during time outs.


Didn't think you'd get that shook after getting your ass handed to you.


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The guy is a small-brained, one sentence forming trash troll.

[superduper]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xlLMDkvc9pjAgOQalb/giphy.gif

The guy is a small-brained, one sentence forming trash troll.

only losers respect bran

[stalkerforlife]

i dont have time for the dumbest poster, chico.

Too damn smart to fall for their weak ass mindless trolling. :applause:

Another one.

[stalkerforlife]

only losers respect bran

The greatest moniker in ISH history. :applause:

[PickernRoller]

i dont have time for the dumbest poster, chico.

U doing him cold like that? :biggums:

Fine by me. :roll: :roll: