Which finals does mj even get to without playing elite defence?

[Bronbron23]

Despite what some idots on here think, defence is just as important as offence. Mj played elite defence and impacted the game defensively almost as much as he did on the offensive end. Mj's 90's bulls had some tough battles in the east with the Knicks and the pacers. If mj doesn't play elite defence in those series the bulls would of lost for sure. Unlike lebron He didn't have the luxury of being able to take defence off and still win a series deep in the playoffs.

Forget about winning the finals. How many finals does mj even make if he didn't play elite or even just good defence?

[kennethgriffen]

its crazy how lebron has a 2016 finals defense exposed video and still won the title that year


i guess having a 30ppg sidekick hitting title winning shots makes up for your defensive inadequacies

[superduper]

Bran stans think the playoffs are only one round and that stats capture the entirety of on-court impact.

Nuff said.

[SpaceJam2]

Which high school does OP even get to without spelling defense correctly?

https://i.postimg.cc/15mLq277/Defence.png

[SpaceJam2]

its crazy how lebron has a 2016 finals defense exposed video and still won the title that year


i guess having a 30ppg sidekick hitting title winning shots makes up for your defensive inadequacies

2016?!

I wonder what would happen if a player lead every single player in the entire series in steals and blocks and was labeled as "not playing defense" :lol It makes me wonder what type of crazy people we have in this world. You're scaring me Ken

[ballinhun8]

Sign off bro!!!!


Have you even slept the past month??? There's no reason for you to be making post every hour of the day

[3ball]

None obviously

And how many Finals would MJ win by NOT hitting the big shot:



- No shot in 91' to send Game 3 into OT - Lakers get 2-1 lead with the next 2 in LA

- No game-winners in game 1 of the 97' Finals, or go-ahead shot with 25 seconds in flu game, or series-clinching assist to Kerr (so the jazz win the series easily)

- no game-winner in 98' Finals (game 7 in Utah with no Pip)


I actually left out a few, like a game-winning assist to Longley in one of the games

So how many wins without these clutch shots??? (that lebron never hit in the championship, despite 9 Finals)

And how many Finals wins while being a net negative, or averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games, or 23 ppg on 43% thru 6 (thus needing Ray to force game 7)??

[STATUTORY]

Which high school does OP even get to without spelling defense correctly?

https://i.postimg.cc/15mLq277/Defence.png

Inner city high school graduate SpaceJam2 doesn't know British English :roll: :roll: :facepalm

[3ball]

Inner city high school graduate SpaceJam2 doesn't know British English :roll: :roll: :facepalm
:roll: :roll: :yaohappy:

[Bronbron23]

Which high school does OP even get to without spelling defense correctly?

https://i.postimg.cc/15mLq277/Defence.png
Dude tell me your joking?

[Bronbron23]

Sign off bro!!!!


Have you even slept the past month??? There's no reason for you to be making post every hour of the day
You must be mistaking me for someone else. I don't post all that much

[superduper]

Americans have no clue about the world outside of their little corner of it

[Smoke117]

It kind of helps when you play next to the greatest perimeter defensive player in basketball history in Scottie Pippen. Acting like Jordan carried the Bulls defensively or something is ignorant and hilarious. Get a clue, OP. Stupid bastard.

[Bronbron23]

It kind of helps when you play next to the greatest perimeter defensive player in basketball history in Scottie Pippen. Acting like Jordan carried the Bulls defensively or something is ignorant and hilarious. Get a clue, OP. Stupid bastard.
I never said mj carried the bulls defensively u stupid fakkit. I said the bulls wouldn't have made as many finals if not for mj's defensive abilities. Of course pips defensive abilities were just as much if not more responsible for the bulls defence but it doesn't make mj's defence any less important. The bulls were a defensive juggernaut that required pip and mj to play elite defence to win there chips. If either one coasted on defence like LeBron they don't make most of the finals they won.

[knicksman]

thats the difference between lebron and jordan. Jordan focuses his energy on the things that matters while lebron on the statsheet. But because of apg. His nerd stans thinks hes unselfish.

[Smoke117]

Jordan was far from elite defensively in 98, so there you go, the 98 finals.

[Bawkish]

Jordan was far from elite defensively in 98, so there you go, the 98 finals.

MJ made the most crucial defensive play in the last minute, which led to the series winning shot. I don't know but i think that was elite defensive awareness especially in that clutch situation

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan was far from elite defensively in 98, so there you go, the 98 finals.

Jordan was absolutely elite defensively in the '98 playoffs, especially in the Pacers series. Grab a clue.

[Smoke117]

MJ made the most crucial defensive play in the last minute, which led to the series winning shot. I don't know but i think that was elite defensive awareness especially in that clutch situation

lol That doesn't define elite defense you bumpkin. What defines elite defense is consistency and he wasn't consistent at all throughout that season. He had fallen off big time those last two Bulls seasons in general defensively.

[Bawkish]

lol That doesn't define elite defense you bumpkin. What defines elite defense is consistency and he wasn't consistent at all throughout that season. He had fallen off big time those last two Bulls seasons in general defensively.

It counts where it counts. Besides, he's not sleeping in defense like what Bron does this season. He's not chasing blocks or gunning for steals, all he does is locking down his defensive assignment.

He's been All-Defensive 1st team his last 3 Bulls years so i don't know where did you get that he's fallen off defensively

[Smoke117]

It counts where it counts. Besides, he's not sleeping in defense like what Bron does this season. He's not chasing blocks or gunning for steals, all he does is locking down his defensive assignment.

He's been All-Defensive 1st team his last 3 Bulls years so i don't know where did you get that he's fallen off defensively

I knew you'd bring up the all defensive team bullshit. He got those off of reputation the same way Kobe got more than half of his. Coaches have literally admitted they hate having to vote for this shit and just pencil in the same guys or are you really going to tell me Kobe in 06 was an elite defensive player? A season he didn't play a lick of defense, but was first team all all defensive. :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

I knew you'd bring up the all defensive team bullshit. He got those off of reputation the same way Kobe got more than half of his. Coaches have literally admitted they hate having to vote for this shit and just pencil in the same guys or are you really going to tell me Kobe in 06 was an elite defensive player? A season he didn't play a lick of defense, but was first team all all defensive. :roll:

Goteeeeem :rockon:

[SpaceJam2]

thats the difference between lebron and jordan. Jordan focuses his energy on the things that matters while lebron on the statsheet. But because of apg. His nerd stans thinks hes unselfish.

Fact: Michael Jordan has a higher usage rate (USG%) than LeBron James.

Let that siiiink way down into your tiny, little brain. Getting to your pea brain surely takes a while, after all traveling that far into someone's head is quite a journey.

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I say again, Michael Jordan has a HIGHER usage rate (USG%) than LeBron James.

[Bawkish]

I knew you'd bring up the all defensive team bullshit. He got those off of reputation the same way Kobe got more than half of his. Coaches have literally admitted they hate having to vote for this shit and just pencil in the same guys or are you really going to tell me Kobe in 06 was an elite defensive player? A season he didn't play a lick of defense, but was first team all all defensive. :roll:

oh so now MJ is comparable to Kobe defensively? That's insulting to MJ

have you watched every Bull's run in the playoffs during the 2nd 3peat?

[Smoke117]

oh so now MJ is comparable to Kobe defensively? That's insulting to MJ

have you watched every Bull's run in the playoffs during the 2nd 3peat?

Scottie Pippen is my favorite player of all time. What do you think? He did the bulk of the heavy lifting defensively for all for all of their runs and especially during the second threepeat. We going to split hairs?

https://y.yarn.co/5ce3ac5c-5bdd-4203-924e-e0626a6ebb4c_screenshot.jpg

[Bawkish]

Scottie Pippen is my favorite player of all time. What do you think?

so do you think they also voted Pip just because they're bored too or do you think he deserved it?

And who else during 96-98 deserves more than MJ in that All-defensive slot?

[Bawkish]

He did the bulk of the heavy lifting defensively for all for all of their runs and especially during the second threepeat. We going to split hairs?

Pip was hobbled by foot injury in 1997 PO's and not totally 100%

he was also sidelined for almost half the season in 1998

do you think he deserved All-defensive 1st team selections on that run?

[Smoke117]

Pip was hobbled by foot injury in 1997 PO's and not totally 100%

he was also sidelined for almost half the season in 1998

do you think he deserved All-defensive 1st team selections on that run?

Yes. For the simple fact that he was the best perimeter defensive player in the world whether he played only 44 games or not. Scottie Pippen for 44 games is better than almost anyone else for 70+ games. He also absolutely destroyed teams in the playoffs that season. If you remember, when the Bulls were up 3-1 on the Jazz after 4 games Scottie was the favorite for FMVP because of how he decimated the Jazz defensively and was having a great all around series (averaging 20/6/3 on good efficiency). He'd then of course hurt his back in game 5. It was after game 3 where Bulls held Jazz to a finals low of 54 points that Phil Jackson would call Pippen "A one man wrecking crew" because of how he destroyed them defensively.

[knicksman]

Fact: Michael Jordan has a higher usage rate (USG%) than LeBron James.

Let that siiiink way down into your tiny, little brain. Getting to your pea brain surely takes a while, after all traveling that far into someone's head is quite a journey.

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I say again, Michael Jordan has a HIGHER usage rate (USG%) than LeBron James.

If your posting lacks quality focus on quantity. Thats what youre doing dummy.

[knicksman]

It counts where it counts. Besides, he's not sleeping in defense like what Bron does this season. He's not chasing blocks or gunning for steals, all he does is locking down his defensive assignment.

He's been All-Defensive 1st team his last 3 Bulls years so i don't know where did you get that he's fallen off defensively

smokes IQ, if you dont have the stamina to play defense for 48 minutes, your skills are gone. He really thinks that a guy who won DPOY in 1988 has less defensive IQ in 1998. LOL Thats why he trolls coz everytime he speaks, you can tell hes a dumbass right away .:lol

[knicksman]

Scottie Pippen is my favorite player of all time. What do you think? He did the bulk of the heavy lifting defensively for all for all of their runs and especially during the second threepeat. We going to split hairs?

https://y.yarn.co/5ce3ac5c-5bdd-4203-924e-e0626a6ebb4c_screenshot.jpg

Jordan is a better playmaker but why does he average less assists than pippen? coz he has far more important role to do which is to score. Its the same with defense you dummy.

[Bawkish]

Yes. For the simple fact that he was the best perimeter defensive player in the world whether he played only 44 games or not. Scottie Pippen for 44 games is better than almost anyone else for 70+ games. He also absolutely destroyed teams in the playoffs that season. If you remember, when the Bulls were up 3-1 on the Jazz after 4 games Scottie was the favorite for FMVP because of how he decimated the Jazz defensively and was having a great all around series (averaging 20/6/3 on good efficiency). He'd then of course hurt his back in game 5. It was after game 3 where Bulls held Jazz to a finals low of 54 points that Phil Jackson would call Pippen "A one man wrecking crew" because of how he destroyed them defensively.


Pip's role as a primary defender doesn't mean MJ is coasting on defense

im not questioning Pip's defensive greatness, it's more of a team effort

that Jazz rout was all together a lockdown.

[SpaceJam2]

If your posting lacks quality focus on quantity. Thats what youre doing dummy.

f o c u s

[knicksman]

f o c u s

d u m m y

[ClipperRevival]

Casuals/lay fans always disregard defense. People who played the game and in the know, realize, D is super important. You can't honestly tell me ignoring half the game doesn't mean much. MJ took the D end seriously from the moment he stepped on an NBA court to the moment he retired. Why? Because he cared and wanted to win. If you want to win a game, you have to try on D. That simple. Another criteria for being the GOAT in bball. You have to be dominant on both ends. MJ was GOAT on O and GOAT tier on D end.

[FKAri]

Casuals/lay fans always disregard defense. People who played the game and in the know, realize, D is super important. You can't honestly tell me ignoring half the game doesn't mean much. MJ took the D end seriously from the moment he stepped on an NBA court to the moment he retired. Why? Because he cared and wanted to win. If you want to win a game, you have to try on D. That simple. Another criteria for being the GOAT in bball. You have to be dominant on both ends. MJ was GOAT on O and GOAT tier on D end.
Agree with this. MJ took the D seriously and gave you great O. He cared and put it all out there. He wanted it and he wanted it bad! Lebron on the other hand prefers women. Incomparable.

[SpaceJam2]

Agree with this. MJ took the D seriously and gave you great O. He cared and put it all out there. He wanted it and he wanted it bad! Lebron on the other hand prefers women. Incomparable.

:lol

I heard that MJ had a strong passion for D