LeBron crushes everyone, again.

[paksat]

Imagine being 1000 points ahead of a guy with 10 scoring titles

:oldlol: :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/Pf6NQPdB/Playoff_Leaders_NBA_hx.jpg

imagine going 3 for 9 with hand picked super star teammates :roll:

[3ball]

Um, no.

Ppg sounds good to you because it benefits Jordan, but let's not forget MJ had all the records until LeBron finally passed them...

6.9k (LBJ) vs 5.9k (MJ) points

When we talk about most touchdowns or home runs or goals scored do we do it on a per game basis? No, because that is silly. Why would you penalize a player for having a more dominant career over a longer period of time?

LeBron has more points because he made 9 Finals, not 6 like Jordan. If Jordan was able to get out of the 1st round for three years or not lose to the Pistons for another three years in a row maybe he would have more points? :confusedshrug:
^^^ I know you worked really hard on that post but I must bust it up good

Lebron played in a conference where you didn't need a great team to make the Finals - from 2001-2009, 5 teams made it with weak teams (AI, Kidd twice, Lebron, Dwight)

they were all destroyed in the Finals and had no business being there if not for the weak conference

The weak conference made it easy to go deep, whereas MJ's conference required great teams to make the Finals, so he had to work his way up the ranks from nothing

Hope that helps .. :cheers: .. :banana: .. another L delivered by MJ fam.. :pimp:

So again - MJ was capable of scoring much more per game, which gave his team a better chance to win each game.. :confusedshrug: .. Lebron's longevity doesn't make him a better scorer, just like Reggie Miller's 3000 points over Bird doesn't make Miller the better scorer... PPG is the pre-imminent measure of scoring and always will be - baseball and football are different sports and don't compare

Btw, even though a good cast wasn't necessary to win Lebron's East, he couldn't make it in 09/10 and needed to stack from the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs. This inflated his resume and overrated him, which led to shock when the West exposed him this year.. ultimately, he only made the Finals once with no stars (07'), when everyone else was also doing it (AI, Kidd, Dwight)

[3ball]

Imagine having a teammate (Pippen) get more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than you for your entire playoffs runs


False

JORDAN 88-98' PLAYOFFS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1998-sum:playoffs_totals):. 953 assists.. 352 steals.. 5632 points
PIPPEN. 88-98' PLAYOFFS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1988-1998-sum:playoffs_totals):. 874 assists.. 320 steals.. 3189 points


^^^ excludes Pippen's 1994





Imagine getting outplayed by Shawn Kemp in the Finals but still winning


Except he wasn't, whereas it's consensus that lebron got outplayed by Dirk or Jason Terry (11'), Tony Parker (07'), Durant (17' and 18'), and Kawhi (14')...





Imagine being 1 for 10 until Scottie Pippen saves your legacy. BAIL OUT


Lebron would still be in Cleveland losing to Dwight and old Garnett if Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love hadn't saved him

6 guys were all-stars alongside Lebron, which resulted in 3 rings, compared to 1 all-star teammate for MJ (6 rings).. :bowdown:





Imagine still losing to the Detroit Pistons three years in a row after Scottie Pippen.


As a big underdog, so nobody knocks MJ for it... Whereas lebron lost as the favorite 3 times (09-11'), and even money once (14')

And by record amount in 14', 17' and 18' (much worse than the odds predicted).. and the GOAT choke (11')





Imagine being a career loser to your three biggest competitors: Bird, Thomas, Olajuwon


Lebron is a career loser to all competitors - only 3 rings in 16 seasons versus 6 in 15 for MJ

And MJ had a winning record against everyone when he had an all-star teammate - he's the winningest player with an all-star (6-2 versus 3-7 for Bron... :eek: :eek: )





Imagine only making 6 Finals


Lebron played in a weak conference that didn't require good teams to make the Finals (AI, Kidd, Dwight made it until Bron stacked the deck from 11-18' in this weak conference)

And MJ's 6 rings is the goat championship frequency post 60's:.. 6/15 or 40%

Now imagine losing 6 championships and only winning 3...





Imagine having the 2nd and 4th worst field goal percentage for a FMVP (was #1 worst before Chuckbe)


Lebron won with the worst true shooting compared to MJ - 52.9% in 2013 Finals

True shooting is the shooting efficiency measure, not FG %

He also won that series by 1) being a net negative... 2) averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games and 23 on 43% thru 6 games... 3) having a teammate hit the big shot





Imagine having your best finals opponent still worse than the weakest team LeBron ever faced.


The 15' Warriors would've lost if Kyrie was healthy.... or Love

So the pre-durant Warriors weren't championship caliber and just a regular season team - every Finals team MJ faced was better than them





Imagine never having a single postseason run with a DRtg under 101 (LeBron has TWO)


Imagine having no Finals runs with less than 3.0 turnovers per game.. MJ has 5 such Finals runs

And drtg favors defensive rebounders (it simply counts drebs, stl, blk), which is why Bird has better drtg and dbpm than pip in regular season, and nearly equal in playoffs





Imagine leaving your team and the next year they only drop off by 2 wins ('93 = 57 wins to '94 = 55 wins)


Imagine employing a brand of ball that is designed to maximize your time with the ball

and reduces teammates to spot-up shooters so they aren't playing a high level of basketball with or without you

And using up their prime before leaving so they look worse without you





Imagine being a 10 time scoring champion and LeBron James has a thousand more points


MJ was capable of scoring much more per game, while lebron simply played longer

This is common knowledge, but ur either an actor or in denial





Should I continue?


Can you without getting destroyed?

And I got one for you - imagine losing or being the underdog 3 of 4 years after teaming up with the next best player in the league, including the GOAT choke and a record defeat



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[Leviathon1121]

Um, no.

Ppg sounds good to you because it benefits Jordan, but let's not forget MJ had all the records until LeBron finally passed them...

6.9k (LBJ) vs 5.9k (MJ) points

When we talk about most touchdowns or home runs or goals scored do we do it on a per game basis? No, because that is silly. Why would you penalize a player for having a more dominant career over a longer period of time?

LeBron has more points because he made 9 Finals, not 6 like Jordan. If Jordan was able to get out of the 1st round for three years or not lose to the Pistons for another three years in a row maybe he would have more points? :confusedshrug:
He

[TheCorporation]

Imagine being 1000 points ahead of a guy with 10 scoring titles

:oldlol: :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/Pf6NQPdB/Playoff_Leaders_NBA_hx.jpg

Looks like we know who the GOAT playoff scorer is.

Hmm, but hold up, what about

Game winners?
Elimination game ppg?

Who is leading in those?

The SAME guy? :eek: Yikes...

Another

Win :banana:

[TheCorporation]

False
JORDAN 88-98' PLAYOFFS. 953 assists.. 352 steals.. 5632 points
PIPPEN. 88-98' PLAYOFFS. 874 assists.. 320 steals.. 3189 points


False

When comparing their championship run seasons (91, 92, 93 and 96, 97, 98) Pippen did everything more, scoring aside:

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg



Except he wasn't, whereas it's consensus that lebron got outplayed by Dirk or Jason Terry (11'), Tony Parker (07'), Durant (17' and 18'), and Kawhi (14')...

Shawn Kemp had a higher Game Score than Michael Jordan in the 1996 NBA Finals. It really happened. Sorry, MJ got outplayed

'96 GameScore
Kemp = 18.9
Jordan = 18.5

LeBron has NEVER won a FMVP getting outplayed. Only Jordan has. Why? He was fortunate enough to have Scottie and Rodman CARRY him to a chip, which is not a luxury LeBron was ever afforded in his career.



Lebron would still be in Cleveland losing to Dwight and old Garnett if Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love hadn't saved him


These are fairy tale what-ifs, but do you know what is a FACT? Jordan was 1 for 10 in his first 10 playoff games (1-9). But then...Along Came Scottie
https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg




6 guys were all-stars alongside Lebron, which resulted in 3 rings, compared to 1 all-star teammate for MJ (6 rings)


In '16 LBJ beat 3-all stars (Klay, Dray, Curry) while having ZERO all-stars on his own team. The most all-stars MJ ever beat with zero all-stars on his own team was just 2.

Again
LBJ beat 3 allstars with 0 on his team
MJ only beat 2 all stars max with 0 on his team



As a big underdog, so nobody knocks MJ for it... Whereas LBJ lost as the favorite 3 times (09-11'), and even money once (14')

And by record amount in 14', 17' and 18' and the GOAT choke (11')


There is no GOAT choke greater than winning one game in ten (going 1-9) and having three 1st round exits. How many first round exits does LeBron have? ZERO

Jordan has 3 first round exits
LeBron has 0 first round exits




Lebron is a career loser to all competitors - only 3 rings in 16 seasons versus 6 in 15 for MJ



LeBron has made 9 Finals and 8 consecutively
Jordan has made 6 Finals and 3 consecutively

LeBron was getting to the Finals, carrying horrid teams while Jordan was getting ousted in the first round three years in a row. There is a reason why LeBron has more playoff points. He gets to the Finals while Jordan loses in the first round for three years in a row...



And MJ had a winning record against everyone when he had an all-star teammate - he's the winningest player with an all-star (6-2 versus 3-7 for Bron)

No qualifiers needed for this one: Michael Jordan has a career losing record against Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, and Hakeem Olajuwon




Lebron played in a weak conference that didn't require good teams to make the Finals (AI, Kidd, Dwight made it until Bron stacked the deck from 11-18' in this weak conference)

Michael played in a conference/era where his 30-52 record nabbed him a PLAYOFF spot. Yikes!! Michael has had FIVE losing season (under .500) and LeBron has only had two.




And MJ's 6 rings is the goat championship frequency post 60's:.. 6/15 or 40%

Now imagine losing 6 championships and only winning 3...

But who did he beat? Surely no one even on LeBron's level even comparing the worst opponent LeBron ever faced. It's still tougher than anything MJ faced:

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

Secondly, don't skew stats with that "post 60's" BS because we both know Russell won 11 for 12 and John Havlicek won 8 for 8 so Jordan isn't even close to 11 or 8 rings. Try again.



Lebron won with the worst true shooting compared to MJ - 52.9% in 2013 Finals

True shooting is the shooting efficiency measure, not FG %

He also won that series by 1) being a net negative... 2) averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games and 23 on 43% thru 6 games... 3) having a teammate hit the big shot


No, I'll use FG% and you can keep your FREE throws :lol Side note, you like to talk about 2013 a lot but you never mention Game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals where King Clutch did everything, dropping 37 and 12 on GOAT defender Kawhi's head. Willing his team to a huge Finals win against a DYNASTY (something MJ never faced), and did it all while Ray Allen and Chris Bosh put up 2 points COMBINED.




The 15' Warriors would've lost if Kyrie was healthy.... or Love

So the pre-durant Warriors weren't championship caliber and just a regular season team - every Finals team MJ faced was better than them

Too many what-if mumbo jumbos. I can play that too. "If Jordan never gets Pippen he never gets out of the 1st round." LeBron got out of the 1st round without any HOF help like Jordan needed Pippen and Grant.



Imagine having no Finals runs with less than 3.0 turnovers per game.. MJ has 5 such Finals runs


But we have been over this, LeBron has a better assist-to-turnover ratio and by far the better passer and ball handler. The proof is here, did you forget this already?



And drtg favors defensive rebounders (it simply counts drebs, stl, blk), which is why Bird has better drtg and dbpm than pip in regular season, and nearly equal in playoffs


We are talking PLAYOFFS where Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird. And LeBron has a better DRtg than Jordan. In fact, Jordan never had a DRTg playoff run under 101. Not even one time in all six of his runs.

LeBron has TWO during his 3 championship runs.

LBJ > MJ defensively
LBJ also has more steals, blocks, and a better DBPM, BPM, VORP, WS, you name it LeBron has it defensively. Sorry for the facts



Imagine employing a brand of ball that is designed to maximize your time with the ball and reduces teammates to spot-up shooters so they aren't playing a high level of basketball. And using up their prime before leaving so they look worse without you

Imagine thinking it's a bad idea to keep the ball in the hands of the sport's greatest playmaker ever, with the highest IQ and passing abilities in league history.



MJ was capable of scoring much more per game, while lebron simply played longer
This is common knowledge, but ur either an actor or in denial

If Jordan made more Finals he would have more points but he only made 6 and lost in the 1st round 3 times which is why he has less points. LeBron has 9 Finals and NEVA LOST in the 1st round.

This is common knowledge, but you're either an actor or in denial



Can you without getting destroyed?


Please, I'm just getting warmed up. You're too easy to debate.



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You thought you were going to win with this weak write up? Please
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Come back stronger or don't come back at all.

[3ball]

False

When comparing their championship run seasons (91, 92, 93 and 96, 97, 98) Pippen did everything more, scoring aside:

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg


Your stats are the same as the ones I showed for 88-98' - MJ had basically equal assists and nearly twice the scoring.. :confusedshrug:

He averaged between 10-30 more than pippen in every series, with basically equal assists - no one in history won rings with such a massive offensive gap between the 1st and 2nd option

that's 1-man show on offense for 6 rings - no one else was 1-man show for 2 rings let alone 6.. everyone else had a lethal scorer and closer at 2nd option except MJ

And Pippen never commanded a double team - no one won multiple rings with their 2nd best player never commanding a double team (1-man show)





Shawn Kemp had a higher Game Score than Michael Jordan in the 1996 NBA Finals. It really happened. Sorry, MJ got outplayed

'96 GameScore
Kemp = 18.9
Jordan = 18.5


That's one stat that means nothing - MJ won the key stats and had the series won after 3 games - everything after that was garbage time





LeBron has NEVER won a FMVP getting outplayed.


lebron was outplayed in the 2013 Finals - it's statistical fact that the Heat lost when lebron was on the floor (-0.2 net negative), but Ray Allen's +7.2 made up for it and allowed victory

Also, lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games and 23 on 43 thru 6... MJ was never that bad thru 6, so he never needed a game 7

Of course, lebron was outplayed in the 07, 11, 14, 17, and 18 Finals, which is why he lost.. :oldlol:... f'kin loser





Only Jordan has. Why? He was fortunate enough to have Scottie and Rodman CARRY him to a chip, which is not a luxury LeBron was ever afforded in his career.


pippen averaged 17 on 40.8% in the 96-98' playoffs

rodman averaged 4/8 in the 97' playoffs and wasn't the starter in 98' playoffs (4/8 in 98' Finals)

This is the worst production from the 2nd and 3rd best players EVER for anyone that won multiple rings.





These are fairy tale what-ifs, but do you know what is a FACT? Jordan was 1 for 10 in his first 10 playoff games (1-9). But then...Along Came Scottie
https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg


Lebron missed the playoffs in his first couple years while MJ lost in the first round - so MJ was better at the same stage

Then lebron needed Wade/Bosh to win rings - that's more help than pippen





In '16 LBJ beat 3-all stars (Klay, Dray, Curry) while having ZERO all-stars on his own team. The most all-stars MJ ever beat with zero all-stars on his own team was just 2.


It sucks that I have to correct you on basic history because it detracts from the argument:

1) MJ had no all-stars in 1989 when he beat all-stars Price/Nance/Daughtery in a historic upset loss

2) MJ had no all-stars when he beat all-stars isiah/dumars and dpoy Rodman - lebron never beat 2 all-stars and a dpoy





Again,

LBJ beat 3 allstars with 0 on his team
MJ only beat 2 all stars max with 0 on his team


Again, wrong.. see the previous response above





There is no GOAT choke greater than1-9 and having three 1st round exits. How many first round exits does LeBron have? ZERO


Losing as the 8 vs 1 seed is never a choke - it's the exact opposite because those are the worst odds possible

Otoh, the definition of a choke is losing as the favorite, which lebron did as the 1 seed three times - that's worse than losing as the 8 seed three times

Maybe go back to school or something if you can't understand that.. I recommend stats 101





LeBron has made 9 Finals and 8 consecutively
Jordan has made 6 Finals and 3 consecutively


You brag about making the Finals and I'll brag about winning it..

Jordan won 6 Finals
Lebron won 3 Finals

And making the Finals means nothing without winning, because it means he wouldn't make the Finals in the other conference - his Finals runs were conference-dependant

Overall, Lebron only won the Finals/beat the West 3 times, so he would only make the Finals 3 times in the West - his Finals appearances were conference-dependant





LeBron has made 9 Finals and 8 consecutively
Jordan has made 6 Finals and 3 consecutively


Making the Finals is simply winning the conference finals, which isn't equivalent to winning the Finals

6 Finals wins and 6 conference finals wins > 3 Finals wins and 9 conference finals wins

And lebron's playoff runs mean nothing because a good team wasn't needed to make the Finals in the East (AI, Kidd, Dwight made it until Bron stacked the deck from 11-18' in this weak conference)





LeBron was getting to the Finals, carrying horrid teams while Jordan was getting ousted in the first round three years in a row. There is a reason why LeBron has more playoff points. He gets to the Finals while Jordan loses in the first round for three years in a row...


a good team wasn't needed to make the Finals, which is why AI, kidd, and dwight ALSO made it earlier in their career than MJ, until Bron stacked the deck from 11-18' in this weak conference

So of course lebron went deeper earlier in his career - he didn't have to build as good a team to make the Finals due to weak conference.. :hammerhead:


CONTINUED....
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[3ball]

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CONTINUED...





No qualifiers needed for this one: Michael Jordan has a career losing record against Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, and Hakeem Olajuwon


Lebron has a losing record against far more guys, so this is an argument in MJ's favor

Lebron lost 13 of 16 seasons, versus only 9 in 15 for Jordan





Michael played in a conference/era where his 30-52 record nabbed him a PLAYOFF spot. Yikes!! Michael has had FIVE losing season (under .500) and LeBron has only had two.


MJ had a cast with zero accolades, so his cast couldn't win as much

Otoh, Lebron had the East all-star center.. he also had another all-star in Mo Williams, 2-time all-star Jamison, and 2 all defenders in Varejao and Hughes.. his better cast allowed him to win a few more games





But who did he beat? Surely no one even on LeBron's level even comparing the worst opponent LeBron ever faced. It's still tougher than anything MJ faced:

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png


^^^ that graphic shows the lack of parity - most of lebron's opponents had cakewalks to the Finals, while MJ's opponents had bloodbaths to make the Finals

And the 15' Warriors would've lost if Kyrie was healthy.... or Love

So the pre-durant Warriors weren't championship caliber and just a regular season team - every Finals team MJ faced was better than them





Secondly, don't skew stats with that "post 60's" BS because we both know Russell won 11 for 12 and John Havlicek won 8 for 8 so Jordan isn't even close to 11 or 8 rings. Try again.


Only MJ won 4+ rings as the #1 option - those guys weren't #1 option for most or all of their rings

And nobody counts the 60's... MJ's the goat post-60's, and therefore the goat





No, I'll use FG% and you can keep your FREE throws :lol


True shooting includes 3-pointers too - so it includes everything - 2-pointers, 3-pointers and FT's

And only Lebron won FMVP shooting less than 53% true shooting (52.9% in 2013 Finals)





Side note, you like to talk about 2013 a lot but you never mention Game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals where King Clutch did everything, dropping 37 and 12 on GOAT defender Kawhi's head. Willing his team to a huge Finals win against a DYNASTY (something MJ never faced), and did it all while Ray Allen and Chris Bosh put up 2 points COMBINED.


Lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games, so he needed Ray Allen to force game 7

MJ was never that bad thru 6 games, so he never needed a game 7





Too many what-if mumbo jumbos. I can play that too. "If Jordan never gets Pippen he never gets out of the 1st round." LeBron got out of the 1st round without any HOF help like Jordan needed Pippen and Grant.


Nah, pippen was a 7 ppg rookie off the bench when MJ made the 2nd round in 1988 - MJ made the 2nd round that year because he'd improved on both ends, especially defense (dpoy)

Otoh, we know for a fact that lebron left Cleveland because he couldn't make the Finals in 09 and 10' (couldn't beat dwight)





But we have been over this, LeBron has a better assist-to-turnover ratio and by far the better passer and ball handler. The proof is here, did you forget this already?


MJ was considered a better PG than Magic and Stockton during his 24 game stint at PG and was a better passer than Lebron

He simply chose to play a superior way (less ball-dominance) so the team could have better ball movement and win more.. lebron is a dumbass for not doing the same

And MJ passed better than lebron ever did in the 91' finals - MJ was the only player ever to average 10+ APG without playing PG





We are talking PLAYOFFS where Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird. And LeBron has a better DRtg than Jordan. In fact, Jordan never had a DRTg playoff run under 101. Not even one time in all six of his runs.

LeBron has TWO during his 3 championship runs.

LBJ > MJ defensively
LBJ also has more steals, blocks, and a better DBPM, BPM, VORP, WS, you name it LeBron has it defensively. Sorry for the facts me


VORP isn't a defensive stat and is based on games played..

BPM and DRtg favor defensive rebounders, since they only count steals, blocks and drebs - that's why bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than pippen in the regular season and basically equal in the playoffs

MJ also has more spg and equal bpg

Most importantly, MJ never let his man get above their regular season averages, while almost always holding them to 35-43% shooting.. lebron is so far away from this kind of record that it's shameful he's ever compared to MJ defensively





Imagine thinking it's a bad idea to keep the ball in the hands of the sport's greatest playmaker ever, with the highest IQ and passing abilities in league history.


That's why he's 0*/9

Ball movement will always trump 1 guy dominating the ball in the half court


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[SpaceJam2]

Just discovered Bron has a better Defense Rating in the playoffs so your wrong bruh :oldlol: :oldlol:

2 ez

You did not know Bron was better defensively then Mike? Please tell us more about how good Mike was on defense since Bron was even better :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvvKHqXh/udidntknow.png
Bron: BLK, BLK%, DBPM, BPM, DRtg, VORP
Mike: STL, STL%

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Yikes..

Why won't anyone touch this???

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[TheCorporation]

This feels like it's 2016 all over again when LeBron led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

-LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
-LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
-He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
-He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

-MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.


https://i.postimg.cc/Hk7G3pHP/Uwuwjwj.jpg


Oh boy

[And1AllDay]

This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

Is anyone out there to respond or is this the foregone conclusion. Is this

The Consensus? :eek:

[And1AllDay]

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:oldlol: :roll: :roll:

They are too shook to respond

[And1AllDay]

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[And1AllDay]

False

When comparing their championship run seasons (91, 92, 93 and 96, 97, 98) Pippen did everything more, scoring aside:

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg



Shawn Kemp had a higher Game Score than Michael Jordan in the 1996 NBA Finals. It really happened. Sorry, MJ got outplayed

'96 GameScore
Kemp = 18.9
Jordan = 18.5

LeBron has NEVER won a FMVP getting outplayed. Only Jordan has. Why? He was fortunate enough to have Scottie and Rodman CARRY him to a chip, which is not a luxury LeBron was ever afforded in his career.



These are fairy tale what-ifs, but do you know what is a FACT? Jordan was 1 for 10 in his first 10 playoff games (1-9). But then...Along Came Scottie
https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg




In '16 LBJ beat 3-all stars (Klay, Dray, Curry) while having ZERO all-stars on his own team. The most all-stars MJ ever beat with zero all-stars on his own team was just 2.

Again
LBJ beat 3 allstars with 0 on his team
MJ only beat 2 all stars max with 0 on his team



There is no GOAT choke greater than winning one game in ten (going 1-9) and having three 1st round exits. How many first round exits does LeBron have? ZERO

Jordan has 3 first round exits
LeBron has 0 first round exits




LeBron has made 9 Finals and 8 consecutively
Jordan has made 6 Finals and 3 consecutively

LeBron was getting to the Finals, carrying horrid teams while Jordan was getting ousted in the first round three years in a row. There is a reason why LeBron has more playoff points. He gets to the Finals while Jordan loses in the first round for three years in a row...


No qualifiers needed for this one: Michael Jordan has a career losing record against Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, and Hakeem Olajuwon



Michael played in a conference/era where his 30-52 record nabbed him a PLAYOFF spot. Yikes!! Michael has had FIVE losing season (under .500) and LeBron has only had two.



But who did he beat? Surely no one even on LeBron's level even comparing the worst opponent LeBron ever faced. It's still tougher than anything MJ faced:

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

Secondly, don't skew stats with that "post 60's" BS because we both know Russell won 11 for 12 and John Havlicek won 8 for 8 so Jordan isn't even close to 11 or 8 rings. Try again.




No, I'll use FG% and you can keep your FREE throws :lol Side note, you like to talk about 2013 a lot but you never mention Game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals where King Clutch did everything, dropping 37 and 12 on GOAT defender Kawhi's head. Willing his team to a huge Finals win against a DYNASTY (something MJ never faced), and did it all while Ray Allen and Chris Bosh put up 2 points COMBINED.


Too many what-if mumbo jumbos. I can play that too. "If Jordan never gets Pippen he never gets out of the 1st round." LeBron got out of the 1st round without any HOF help like Jordan needed Pippen and Grant.



But we have been over this, LeBron has a better assist-to-turnover ratio and by far the better passer and ball handler. The proof is here, did you forget this already?



We are talking PLAYOFFS where Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird. And LeBron has a better DRtg than Jordan. In fact, Jordan never had a DRTg playoff run under 101. Not even one time in all six of his runs.

LeBron has TWO during his 3 championship runs.

LBJ > MJ defensively
LBJ also has more steals, blocks, and a better DBPM, BPM, VORP, WS, you name it LeBron has it defensively. Sorry for the facts


Imagine thinking it's a bad idea to keep the ball in the hands of the sport's greatest playmaker ever, with the highest IQ and passing abilities in league history.


If Jordan made more Finals he would have more points but he only made 6 and lost in the 1st round 3 times which is why he has less points. LeBron has 9 Finals and NEVA LOST in the 1st round.

This is common knowledge, but you're either an actor or in denial



Please, I'm just getting warmed up. You're too easy to debate.




You thought you were going to win with this weak write up? Please
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Come back stronger or don't come back at all.

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[SpaceJam2]

ANYONE???

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.[/QUOTE]

[SpaceJam2]

ANYONE???

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.[/QUOTE]

3ball? You home?

:pimp:

[SpaceJam2]

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[And1AllDay]

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

Oh they big mad

[Bawkish]

all i see here is wall of stats and yet in the end Lebron only had 3 rings???

i mean really? all that for only 3 rings? 3???

pls explain hows that possible?

[And1AllDay]

all i see here is wall of stats and yet in the end Lebron only had 3 rings???

i mean really? all that for only 3 rings? 3???

pls explain hows that possible?

who did Mike beat :oldlol:

Bran is better as individual player and you know it

[Kidbasketball20]

"SpaceJam2" putting hours into his life of a guy who will never even look him in the eye :lol :lol :lol :lol

I 1 Star'd it. Cheers!

[And1AllDay]

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.
wow

[And1AllDay]

So now we're holding it against players that played longer because they weren't dad killers that didn't go play baseball? Your a moronic joke. Get bodied

https://i.postimg.cc/g20pk497/Playoffpointslisttt.jpg

wait why is mike #2 when they both made 13 playoffs isnt mike the scoring king or nah

[Turbo Slayer]

This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds. :bowdown:

[Rico2016]

False

When comparing their championship run seasons (91, 92, 93 and 96, 97, 98) Pippen did everything more, scoring aside:

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg



Shawn Kemp had a higher Game Score than Michael Jordan in the 1996 NBA Finals. It really happened. Sorry, MJ got outplayed

'96 GameScore
Kemp = 18.9
Jordan = 18.5

LeBron has NEVER won a FMVP getting outplayed. Only Jordan has. Why? He was fortunate enough to have Scottie and Rodman CARRY him to a chip, which is not a luxury LeBron was ever afforded in his career.



These are fairy tale what-ifs, but do you know what is a FACT? Jordan was 1 for 10 in his first 10 playoff games (1-9). But then...Along Came Scottie
https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg




In '16 LBJ beat 3-all stars (Klay, Dray, Curry) while having ZERO all-stars on his own team. The most all-stars MJ ever beat with zero all-stars on his own team was just 2.

Again
LBJ beat 3 allstars with 0 on his team
MJ only beat 2 all stars max with 0 on his team



There is no GOAT choke greater than winning one game in ten (going 1-9) and having three 1st round exits. How many first round exits does LeBron have? ZERO

Jordan has 3 first round exits
LeBron has 0 first round exits




LeBron has made 9 Finals and 8 consecutively
Jordan has made 6 Finals and 3 consecutively

LeBron was getting to the Finals, carrying horrid teams while Jordan was getting ousted in the first round three years in a row. There is a reason why LeBron has more playoff points. He gets to the Finals while Jordan loses in the first round for three years in a row...


No qualifiers needed for this one: Michael Jordan has a career losing record against Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, and Hakeem Olajuwon



Michael played in a conference/era where his 30-52 record nabbed him a PLAYOFF spot. Yikes!! Michael has had FIVE losing season (under .500) and LeBron has only had two.



But who did he beat? Surely no one even on LeBron's level even comparing the worst opponent LeBron ever faced. It's still tougher than anything MJ faced:

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

Secondly, don't skew stats with that "post 60's" BS because we both know Russell won 11 for 12 and John Havlicek won 8 for 8 so Jordan isn't even close to 11 or 8 rings. Try again.




No, I'll use FG% and you can keep your FREE throws :lol Side note, you like to talk about 2013 a lot but you never mention Game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals where King Clutch did everything, dropping 37 and 12 on GOAT defender Kawhi's head. Willing his team to a huge Finals win against a DYNASTY (something MJ never faced), and did it all while Ray Allen and Chris Bosh put up 2 points COMBINED.


Too many what-if mumbo jumbos. I can play that too. "If Jordan never gets Pippen he never gets out of the 1st round." LeBron got out of the 1st round without any HOF help like Jordan needed Pippen and Grant.



But we have been over this, LeBron has a better assist-to-turnover ratio and by far the better passer and ball handler. The proof is here, did you forget this already?



We are talking PLAYOFFS where Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird. And LeBron has a better DRtg than Jordan. In fact, Jordan never had a DRTg playoff run under 101. Not even one time in all six of his runs.

LeBron has TWO during his 3 championship runs.

LBJ > MJ defensively
LBJ also has more steals, blocks, and a better DBPM, BPM, VORP, WS, you name it LeBron has it defensively. Sorry for the facts


Imagine thinking it's a bad idea to keep the ball in the hands of the sport's greatest playmaker ever, with the highest IQ and passing abilities in league history.


If Jordan made more Finals he would have more points but he only made 6 and lost in the 1st round 3 times which is why he has less points. LeBron has 9 Finals and NEVA LOST in the 1st round.

This is common knowledge, but you're either an actor or in denial



Please, I'm just getting warmed up. You're too easy to debate.




You thought you were going to win with this weak write up? Please
https://media.giphy.com/media/iDKTghu3ZTnbCgTYTj/giphy.gif

Come back stronger or don't come back at all.


Was this the ether that ended 3ball's career in this very thread because I kept reading posts where people said MJ did more than Pippen in very category but I remembered this thread. Glad I found it so I could gain clarification in determining that MJ did not in fact do anything more except score the ball. Refreshing to see the facts pour out. I'm torn now, I thought MJ did it all and I had him 1a or 1b always but now I'm not sure.

[SpaceJam2]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1400xkWkRIuYww/giphy.gif

[superduper]

HEY GUYS PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE MY GOAT PLEASE!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron as he was on vacation missing the playoffs 3x and bringing home bronze medal twice to America.

[SpaceJam2]

Imagine being 1000 points ahead of a guy with 10 scoring titles

:oldlol: :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/Pf6NQPdB/Playoff_Leaders_NBA_hx.jpg

Ouch

[Turbo Slayer]

Goat

[SpaceJam2]

Goat

With out a doubt :rockon:

Every hater shook

[Real14]

:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Sorry he didn't get more rebounds? :lol :confusedshrug:

https://i.postimg.cc/7YB2Dz12/Hilite222.jpg

By the way, I'm glad more people are at reading the truth, even if they don't respond. The truth is spreading, be aware everyone.

No more myths, only facts.

Damn. This number has gone way UP

https://i.postimg.cc/YCnfrGxQ/Tri-PODPhonto.jpg

[eliteballer]

LeROID James


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/22/c2/b622c23710df06e9d8fdffa44f475994--cleveland-cavs-king-james.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.428850.1314536733!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/alg-lebron-dunk-jpg.jpg

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/UkLrKr3KVvmKb9pLowD34pgjRlg=/0x0:1000x667/1200x800/filters:focal(0x0:1000x667)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/photo_images/2971465/GYI0065063672.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038

https://mk0slamonlinensgt39k.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/GettyImages-909447398.jpg

[SpaceJam2]

Anyone?

[Vino24]

all i see here is wall of stats and yet in the end Lebron only had 3 rings???

i mean really? all that for only 3 rings? 3???

pls explain hows that possible?
Only the 2nd most fmvp’s in history? Rings is a team accomplishment. LeBron however is cleaning house in the stats department (which is not a collective achievement like rings)

[bullettooth]

Rings is a team accomplishment.

LOL, it isn't for LeBron nut huggers. If LeBron wins, its always him. If he loses, it's alway because his teams sucked.

Riiiiight.

[Vino24]

LOL, it isn't for LeBron nut huggers. If LeBron wins, its always him. If he loses, it's alway because his teams sucked.

Riiiiight.
No one said that?

[Axe]

LOL, it isn't for LeBron nut huggers. If LeBron wins, its always him. If he loses, it's alway because his teams sucked.

Riiiiight.
Lol that's what you call double standards

[Vino24]

3ball literally thinks Mo Williams was better than Pippen

[LeCroix]

So now we're holding it against players that played longer because they weren't dad killers that didn't go play baseball? Your a moronic joke. Get bodied

https://i.postimg.cc/g20pk497/Playoffpointslisttt.jpg

6911!!!

[Shooter]

ANYONE???

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.[/QUOTE]

Guys?

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[DoctorP]

The pathetic saga of the bran stains

[RogueBorg]

6911!!!

-86

[Airupthere]

-86

Lol, Lebron got stats not when it matters the most.

[TheCorporation]

Lol, Lebron got stats not when it matters the most.

LeWinAtAllCosts

A true goat

:bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

Guys?

The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

So the only guy that even stood a small chance at being close to LeBron was still left in the dust in nearly every measurable category? Wow.

LeGap

[And1AllDay]

So the only guy that even stood a small chance at being close to LeBron was still left in the dust in nearly every measurable category? Wow.

LeGap

letop1 is on a league of his own

mike isnt close. hes not and im sorry to say it to the fans of him but hes not close