Player Rankings 2018-19

[G.O.A.T]

Rankings based on who you would want right now (or as soon as they are healthy and playing again)

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Kevin Durant
3. Steph Curry
4. James Harden
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5. LeBron James
6. Anthony Davis
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7. Joel Embiid
8. Kawhi Leonard
9. Paul George
10. Nikola Jokic
11. Damian Lillard
12. Kyrie Irving
13. Karl Anthony-Towns
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14. Russell Westbrook
15. Rudy Gobert
16. Blake Griffin
17. Bradley Beal
18. LaMarcus Aldridge
19. Chris Paul
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20. Kemba Walker
21. Donovan Mitchell
22. Luca Doncic
23. Ben Simmons
24. Klay Thompson
25. DeMar Derozan

Five tiers. Still a lot of things I need to look at, including the playoffs. But I'll take thoughts on this from anyone who has them.

[AlternativeAcc.]

1. KD
2. LeBron
3. Harden
4. Giannis
5. Kawhit

Mines a more accurate list

You can't put Giannis at 1 yet... hasn't proven to be that guy.. hasn't even gotten close to proving it

[G.O.A.T]

1. KD
2. LeBron
3. Harden
4. Giannis
5. Kawhit

Mines a more accurate list

You can't put Giannis at 1 yet... hasn't proven to be that guy.. hasn't even gotten close to proving it

I've seen enough to put him there. He has to solidify it in the playoffs, but his two-way impact is enormous right now.

Are you confident Kawhi is healthy enough to be the guy he was two years ago?

[Smoke117]

DeMar DeFrozen in the top 25? Never go full retard. He's not even top 100 if you go by actual impact. The Spurs are actually better with him off the court just like the Raptors were.

[Manny98]

If Healthy and 100%

Tier 1

1. LeBron
2. Giannis
3. KD
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Harden

Tier 2

7. Kawhi
8. Westbrook
9. Paul George
10. Embiid
11. Kyrie
12. Lillard
13. Jokic

Tier 3

14. CP3
15. Blake
16. Oladipo
17. Gobert
18. Butler
19. Towns

Tier 4
20.Aldridge
21. Wall
22. Horford
23. D'lo
24. Kemba
25. Beal
26. Klay
27. Conley
28. Vucevic
29. Lowry
30. Simmons

[PickernRoller]

Anyone that has Lebron James inside their Top 10 this season is high on that kush.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I've seen enough to put him there. He has to solidify it in the playoffs, but his two-way impact is enormous right now.

Are you confident Kawhi is healthy enough to be the guy he was two years ago?
That's a contradiction. You haven't seen enough then. Nobody has.

And you'll see Giannis struggle in half-court situations in tight games... likely won't make the finals

Durant and LeBron's games are far more refined and built for deep playoff runs... Giannis is a regular season guy like Davis, Harden, and others

[Manny98]

Anyone that has Lebron James inside their Top 10 this season is high on that kush.
They're 10 players better than a 100% healthy LeBron?

Stfu ****ing clown

[G.O.A.T]

That's a contradiction. You haven't seen enough then. Nobody has.

And you'll see Giannis struggle in half-court situations in tight games... likely won't make the finals

Durant and LeBron's games are far more refined and built for deep playoff runs... Giannis is a regular season guy like Davis, Harden, and others


Giannis was outstanding in the playoffs last year. I assume that will continue this year now that the team around him and the system he is playing in compliment his style more.

If not, then he would have to drop below Durant for sure and probably Curry and Harden.

I'm not sold that we are ever going to see the Lebron from Game One of the 2018 Finals again. If we do, he is #1 on the list. But that dude has so many miles on him and he actually got hurt this year, which previously I wasn't sure was possible.

I get where you are coming from though. I think I'm just more sold on Giannis than you are and less convinced that LeBron is still peak or near peak LeBron.

[G.O.A.T]

If Healthy and 100%

Tier 1

1. LeBron
2. Giannis
3. KD
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Harden

Tier 2

7. Kawhi
8. Westbrook
9. Paul George
10. Embiid
11. Kyrie
12. Lillard
13. Jokic

Tier 3

14. CP3
15. Blake
16. Oladipo
17. Gobert
18. Towns
19. Wall

Tier 4

20. Aldridge
21. Horford
22. D'lo
23. Kemba
24. Beal
25. Klay
26. Lowry
27. Conley

I have very little confidence Wall will ever return to form. I think his prime is over.

I had Oladipo in there at #25 over DeRozan initially. Maybe I should have left him there.

I think Horford and Lowry are past their primes as well, but I would love to have either on my team in the playoffs.

Good list.

[Smoke117]

Anyone who thinks DeMar DeRozan is a top 25 player in the league's opinion is worthless.

[ArbitraryWater]

If Healthy and 100%

Tier 1

1. LeBron
2. Giannis
3. KD
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Harden

Tier 2

7. Kawhi
8. Westbrook
9. Paul George
10. Embiid
11. Kyrie
12. Lillard
13. Jokic

Tier 3

14. CP3
15. Blake
16. Oladipo
17. Gobert
18. Towns
19. Wall

Tier 4

20. Aldridge
21. Horford
22. D'lo
23. Kemba
24. Beal
25. Klay
26. Lowry
27. Conley

where tf is DeRozan

[kennethgriffen]

Rankings based on who you would want right now (or as soon as they are healthy and playing again)

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Kevin Durant
3. Steph Curry
4. James Harden
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5. LeBron James
6. Anthony Davis
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7. Joel Embiid
8. Kawhi Leonard
9. Paul George
10. Nikola Jokic
11. Damian Lillard
12. Kyrie Irving
13. Karl Anthony-Towns
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14. Russell Westbrook
15. Rudy Gobert
16. Blake Griffin
17. Bradley Beal
18. LaMarcus Aldridge
19. Chris Paul
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20. Kemba Walker
21. Donovan Mitchell
22. Luca Doncic
23. Ben Simmons
24. Klay Thompson
25. DeMar Derozan

Five tiers. Still a lot of things I need to look at, including the playoffs. But I'll take thoughts on this from anyone who has them.


:roll:


ummm how is lebron more valuable than kawhi, embiid, AD, PG, jokic, lillard,

[kennethgriffen]

this is the most delusional thread i've ever seen. this is a new low for ISH bran stans

[Manny98]

where tf is DeRozan
lol DeRozan is so overrated Spurs literally have a better net rating when he's on the bench

He's a choker who consistently shrinks in big moments + his defense is garbage as well

His lack of a 3 point shot doesn't help either

[Manny98]

this is the most delusional thread i've ever seen. this is a new low for ISH bran stans
Coming from the guy that thinks LeBron is not top 25 all time :roll:

[Rico2016]

1. KD
2. LeBron
3. Harden
4. Giannis
5. Kawhit

Mines a more accurate list

You can't put Giannis at 1 yet... hasn't proven to be that guy.. hasn't even gotten close to proving it

I'll second this list, the only change I'd make is swapping Giannis and Harden. Giannis is still unproven in the playoffs but I think this is his year.

No way is Curry top 5.

[Rico2016]

DeMar DeFrozen in the top 25? Never go full retard. He's not even top 100 if you go by actual impact. The Spurs are actually better with him off the court just like the Raptors were.

:lol I have to agree

[G.O.A.T]

I'll second this list, the only change I'd make is swapping Giannis and Harden. Giannis is still unproven in the playoffs but I think this is his year.

No way is Curry top 5.


Do you think Toronto would trade Kawhi for Curry?

Do you think Golden State would trade Curry for Kawhi?

[Rico2016]

Do you think Toronto would trade Kawhi for Curry?

Do you think Golden State would trade Curry for Kawhi?

That's a fair point but that goes beyond what we are talking about. That can translate to being more marketable.

Also now you are talking about team fit, which isn't part of your initial question.

Also, never knew the OP was a big LeBron fan so that's pretty cool :cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert too low. He's a top 5-10 player.

[Manny98]

Gobert too low. He's a top 5-10 player.
He's not good enough offensively to be top 10

[Rico2016]

Gobert too low. He's a top 5-10 player.

Good god...What???

[Rico2016]

He's not good enough offensively to be top 10

:applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

first in FG%
10th in efficiency
2nd in win shares per 48
2nd in rebounds
2nd in 2 pt FG%
2nd in true shooting %
4th in total rebound %
4th in offensive win shares
6th in box plus minus
6th in FTA
4th in rebounds per game
1st in effective FG%
3rd off. reb
7th off reb %
2nd off rating
3rd in win shares
4th in VORP
all time record dunks
Most screen assists
over 500 more screens than anyone
His D is as impactful as anyone else on offense.

Only a handful of guys have his impact. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rico2016]

first in FG%
10th in efficiency
2nd in win shares per 48
2nd in rebounds
2nd in 2 pt FG%
2nd in true shooting %
4th in total rebound %
4th in offensive win shares
6th in box plus minus
6th in FTA
4th in rebounds per game
1st in effective FG%
3rd off. reb
7th off reb %
2nd off rating
3rd in win shares
4th in VORP
all time record dunks
Most screen assists
over 500 more screens than anyone
His D is as impactful as anyone else on offense.

Only a handful of guys have his impact. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Okay damn that is pretty legitimate. But still he is really lacking on the offensive side.

[Xiao Yao You]

Okay damn that is pretty legitimate. But still he is really lacking on the offensive side.

really lacking but being one of the most impactful offensive players in the league

[G.O.A.T]

That's a fair point but that goes beyond what we are talking about. That can translate to being more marketable.

Also now you are talking about team fit, which isn't part of your initial question.

Also, never knew the OP was a big LeBron fan so that's pretty cool :cheers:

I just think Curry elevates your offense so much that there are only a few guys (the ones who are elite on both ends) that I can take over him.

I think it's more about that than it is about fit or marketability. Remember that the Warriors won 73 games with Steph as the clear top guy. He's brings the potential for being an elite team if you have him, even without another Superstar in the mix.

I'm not a huge LeBron fan, I love watching him and I think he's one of the four greatest players ever, but he bugs me with how he acts off the court and behind the scenes.

[G.O.A.T]

first in FG%
10th in efficiency
2nd in win shares per 48
2nd in rebounds
2nd in 2 pt FG%
2nd in true shooting %
4th in total rebound %
4th in offensive win shares
6th in box plus minus
6th in FTA
4th in rebounds per game
1st in effective FG%
3rd off. reb
7th off reb %
2nd off rating
3rd in win shares
4th in VORP
all time record dunks
Most screen assists
over 500 more screens than anyone
His D is as impactful as anyone else on offense.

Only a handful of guys have his impact. :bowdown: :bowdown:

That's a good case for him. I don't dive real deep into the numbers on everyone until after the regular season, I could see him moving up for sure based on that case.

I disagree with the impact of his defense though, in this NBA offense is more valuable, even though center is the most important defensive position and one of the least important offensive positions.

I had him #12 in 2017 and #13 in 2018, would you consider those fair rankings?

[Manny98]

really lacking but being one of the most impactful offensive players in the league
No he's just really efficient because all of his points come from dunks

He's a awful free throw shooter and can't create his own offense like a Jokic or an Embiid

[Rico2016]

I just think Curry elevates your offense so much that there are only a few guys (the ones who are elite on both ends) that I can take over him.

I think it's more about that than it is about fit or marketability. Remember that the Warriors won 73 games with Steph as the clear top guy. He's brings the potential for being an elite team if you have him, even without another Superstar in the mix.

I'm not a huge LeBron fan, I love watching him and I think he's one of the four greatest players ever, but he bugs me with how he acts off the court and behind the scenes.

I agree that Steph can really maximize offensive potential but at the same time he has a lot of perfect pieces around him.

-Iggy off the bench
-DPOY Dray (Elite defender and elite 3&D guy)
-Klay (Elite shooter and 3&D guy)
-Barnes/Barbosa/Bogut (The three Bs depth)

[G.O.A.T]

I agree that Steph can really maximize offensive potential but at the same time he has a lot of perfect pieces around him.

-Iggy off the bench
-DPOY Dray (Elite defender and elite 3&D guy)
-Klay (Elite shooter and 3&D guy)
-Barnes/Barbosa/Bogut (The three Bs depth)

He has played in good situations for him, but those other guys haven't looked nearly as good without him either right before or since.

Without seeing prime Steph in a different situation, I think it's hard to say what he'd be.

[Milbuck]

where tf is DeRozan
Not close to that list, because he's not that good at all lol

[G.O.A.T]

Not close to that list, because he's not that good at all lol

Here's my shooting guards rankings.

How would you rank these guys?

1) Harden
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2) Beal
3) Mitchell
4) Klay
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5) Oladipo
6) DeRozan
7) McCollum
8) Booker

And would anyone else crack your top eight?

[RRR3]

Here's my shooting guards rankings.

How would you rank these guys?

1) Harden
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2) Beal
3) Mitchell
4) Klay
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5) Oladipo
6) DeRozan
7) McCollum
8) Booker

And would anyone else crack your top eight?
This list is inconsistent with your OP.

[RRR3]

If Healthy and 100%

Tier 1

1. LeBron
2. Giannis
3. KD
4. Curry
5. AD
6. Harden

Tier 2

7. Kawhi
8. Westbrook
9. Paul George
10. Embiid
11. Kyrie
12. Lillard
13. Jokic

Tier 3

14. CP3
15. Blake
16. Oladipo
17. Gobert
18. Butler
19. Towns

Tier 4
20.Aldridge
21. Wall
22. Horford
23. D'lo
24. Kemba
25. Beal
26. Klay
27. Conley
28. Vucevic
29. Lowry
30. Simmons
D-Lo over Kemba is straight comedy.

[NuggetsFan]

Jokic needs to be higher this season. He's leading his team in PPG, APG, RPG, SPG as a C. How many players in the league can say that this season? His defense is much improved this year as well. Nuggets weren't even a playoff lock this season yet are currently the 2nd seed and he's playing with no other All-Stars. 12 triple doubles which we haven't seen at C since Wilt Chamberlain, and probably another 20 games where he was 1-2 assists/rebounds shy.

Someone like George is overrated. He's playing with Westbrook which takes defensive attention away from him. OKC has been a disappointment this season.

[Manny98]

D-Lo over Kemba is straight comedy.
How there numbers are similar except D'lo is a much better passer and his team is in the playoffs unlike Kemba

[Xiao Yao You]

That's a good case for him. I don't dive real deep into the numbers on everyone until after the regular season, I could see him moving up for sure based on that case.

I disagree with the impact of his defense though, in this NBA offense is more valuable, even though center is the most important defensive position and one of the least important offensive positions.

I had him #12 in 2017 and #13 in 2018, would you consider those fair rankings?

no. did you have Hayward ahead of him?

[Xiao Yao You]

No he's just really efficient because all of his points come from dunks

He's a awful free throw shooter and can't create his own offense like a Jokic or an Embiid

dunks are the most efficient shot in the game. He gets penalized for him having the most effective shot in the game? Their whole offense revolves around him. He allows others to create. Results are all that matter and they speak for themselves. Jazz have sucked for more than 4 years without him