Give this man a Pip, Rodman, Jackson vs weak 80s 90s teams...

[And1AllDay]

Whats gonna happen???

https://i.postimg.cc/gjG61bSH/13v23.jpg

Look what this MVP did :eek:

[Phoenix]

What will happen?

1. Pippen will be a bystander and end up half the player he wound up becoming.

2. Rodman will average even more rebounds since there will be more missed shot opportunities.

3. Underperform in the playoffs...repeatedly

[And1AllDay]

What will happen?

1. Pippen will be a bystander and end up half the player he wound up becoming.

2. Rodman will average even more rebounds since there will be more missed shot opportunities.

3. Underperform in the playoffs...repeatedly

But you dont think they can win it? Plus Pip can get better at 3s so thats a easy fixer

[Phoenix]

But you dont think they can win it? Plus Pip can get better at 3s so thats a easy fixer

No.

1)3s weren't a huge product of the era. Scottie really didn't have the form of a great shooter, never changed it throughout his career so I don't see him majoring improving in that area. Look at MJ's form when he came in and then around the first 3peat. Two different shooting styles.

2) Harden is exponentially worse defensively, so the '3 headed doberman' defense of MJ/Pip/Grant doesn't exist with Harden. He just doesn't have the intangibles, the anticipatory skills, or the desire needed to be that kind of defender . Nor was his motor as high, MJ's motor was tireless at his peak so he could go all out of both sides( 88 season MVP, scoring champ, defensive player of year).

3) Harden's style doesn't fit into the triangle, so that already reduces his impact. That's just assuming you're taking him as we know him and dropping him into 1990. If we're saying he's a different player in the 80's and 90's then it's pointless to debate what kind of player and how good he would be. It's simple-mindedness to assume you can simply swap stars out and think there's no ripple effect.

[Bronbron23]

Whats gonna happen???

https://i.postimg.cc/gjG61bSH/13v23.jpg

Look what this MVP did :eek:
Man do you guys even watch basketball? The bulls success relied just as much on there defence as it did there offence. Mj was along with pip was one of the best perimeter defenders ever. If you plug in harden they get much worse defensively and no better offensively. They actually get worse offensively in the playoffs because harden declines and would be even worse in an era where defenders were aloud to actually play defence

[knicksman]

Winners have substance while losers are just style/stats. Once you learn more, youll see which players have the substance.

[Big164]

We already gave him a

A Kevin Durant
A Dwight Howard
A westbrook
A chris Paul


^^^MJ wouldve whipped all those Allstars into Super-Pippens! Mj was Like a Drill Sargent in the Locker Room...He got the best out of everybody.

[LostCause]

No.

1)3s weren't a huge product of the era. Scottie really didn't have the form of a great shooter, never changed it throughout his career so I don't see him majoring improving in that area. Look at MJ's form when he came in and then around the first 3peat. Two different shooting styles.

2) Harden is exponentially worse defensively, so the '3 headed doberman' defense of MJ/Pip/Grant doesn't exist with Harden. He just doesn't have the intangibles, the anticipatory skills, or the desire needed to be that kind of defender . Nor was his motor as high, MJ's motor was tireless at his peak so he could go all out of both sides( 88 season MVP, scoring champ, defensive player of year).

3) Harden's style doesn't fit into the triangle, so that already reduces his impact. That's just assuming you're taking him as we know him and dropping him into 1990. If we're saying he's a different player in the 80's and 90's then it's pointless to debate what kind of player and how good he would be. It's simple-mindedness to assume you can simply swap stars out and think there's no ripple effect.

This isn't rocket science. Guy clearly doesn't have a clue about what the league was actually like nor how basketball teams actually work.

Jordan did his damage while playing in a system that took playmaking duties away from him. There's a reason he's largely stated to be the GOAT on/off-ball scorer. Harden plays in a system entirely designed to almost always have the ball in his hands. Pippen would never have become Pippen if he wasn't allowed to play his game

I don't think we need to even bring up Hardens playoff shrinkage and his at best barely average defensive ability/effort

Though that's just looking at things in a vacuum. Realistically, Phil would probably hate Harden for his lack of effort on D, crazy high number of 3 point attempts and crazy deep shots as well as high rate of turnovers. Coaching philosophy was VERY different back then, so were league rules/trends. Harden would have an easier time pulling up for 3, but coaches would tell him to dial it back and get closer to the rim. I don't think his flopping would get as many whistles either

Basically, everything would be different.

[Phoenix]

This isn't rocket science. Guy clearly doesn't have a clue about what the league was actually like nor how basketball teams actually work.

Jordan did his damage while playing in a system that took playmaking duties away from him. There's a reason he's largely stated to be the GOAT on/off-ball scorer. Harden plays in a system entirely designed to almost always have the ball in his hands. Pippen would never have become Pippen if he wasn't allowed to play his game

I don't think we need to even bring up Hardens playoff shrinkage and his at best barely average defensive ability/effort

Though that's just looking at things in a vacuum. Realistically, Phil would probably hate Harden for his lack of effort on D, crazy high number of 3 point attempts and crazy deep shots as well as high rate of turnovers. Coaching philosophy was VERY different back then, so were league rules/trends. Harden would have an easier time pulling up for 3, but coaches would tell him to dial it back and get closer to the rim. I don't think his flopping would get as many whistles either

Basically, everything would be different.

Exactly. And well, it's ISH where the game is mostly argued based on spreadsheet metrics. There is absolutely no fukking way you just 'swap' Harden into the 90's Bulls and everything just happens otherwise in the same manner, or even in a different manner that leads to comparable success. Basketball is a dynamic entity but you're mostly dealing with people who just argue on a linear line.

[TheCorporation]

We already gave him a

A Kevin Durant
A Dwight Howard
A westbrook
A chris Paul


^^^MJ wouldve whipped all those Allstars into Super-Pippens! Mj was Like a Drill Sargent in the Locker Room...He got the best out of everybody.

Against who melty ash boi? :lol

[LeCola]

Weak 80's 90's hahaha :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[And1AllDay]

Weak 80's 90's hahaha :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Shit dont laugh man the era wasnt that bad like to make you laugh at them they were still feeding families and working on cars in the daytime and balling at night it was the last hard working generation. How many other hard workers do you see in this era where they work on cars in the day time and still play basketball at night guys like Kobe who had a strong work ethic still would be lazy during the day time and not work on cars or deliver mail like the 80s 90s hard workers did so dont forget it

[jayfan]

Harden would have had a harder time in the 80's.

[superduper]

OP getting destroyed by people who actually watch basketball

[Kblaze8855]

Scottie wasnt a spot up shooter really. An awful lot of his threes hed just dribble into in transition...which I assume Harden would be doing instead.

[MrFonzworth]

Considering there's a 50/50 chance you got murdered in your career playing 90s ball, probably not.

[tpols]

teamwork would crater, and harden would shoot like 30% in the playoffs against da knicks.

[Gougou]

Yeah but Harden lack of defense, and can't do those tricks like the step back in the 90s tho.

[MrFonzworth]

Yeah but Harden lack of defense, and can't do those tricks like the step back in the 90s tho.
Can u imagine if someone tried a stepback in the 90s? That's like asking Siri a question in 2007. Like who the **** are you talking to?

[Big164]

Harden is fools gold! couldnt even win with Kevin Fecking Durant....

Dirk beat that same Heat team with no help.

[hold this L]

Finding it hilarious that schizo Simon has got all his alts in line to support Harden as soon as he saw that Lebron isn't even making the playoffs. Will be hilarious to see these same accounts support KD if he manages to leave the Warriors this summer. :lol

[diamenz]

Can u imagine if someone tried a stepback in the 90s? That's like asking Siri a question in 2007. Like who the **** are you talking to?

https://youtu.be/1mWcP9BKHt4?t=3m12s

[SpaceJam2]

Finding it hilarious that schizo Simon has got all his alts in line to support Harden as soon as he saw that Lebron isn't even making the playoffs. Will be hilarious to see these same accounts support KD if he manages to leave the Warriors this summer. :lol

Riiight...:lol

[Ben Simmons 25]

Finding it hilarious that schizo Simon has got all his alts in line to support Harden as soon as he saw that Lebron isn't even making the playoffs. Will be hilarious to see these same accounts support KD if he manages to leave the Warriors this summer. :lol

Simon doesn't exist and he never existed, nitwit.

We are all Simon.

[paksat]

But you dont think they can win it? Plus Pip can get better at 3s so thats a easy fixer

LMFAOOOO at l39ron stans

so pippen can get better at 3's, but jordan... well

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comedy :roll:

[LeCola]

Give Harden Wade, Bosh and Allen or Irving, Love and Korver against weak 2010s east teams, then... :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[BigShotBob]

Give this OP a job, a house, and a car and he will still be on ISH 24/7

[And1AllDay]

Harden is a better scorer check the TS% and a better passer and better shooter. Stronger and higher IQ

Mike has better defense and dunks

Take your pick :confusedshrug: its a toss up