NBA players overwhelmingly vote Michael Jordan as the GOAT (March-April 2019 survey)

[Poetry]

According to a survey by The Athletic, polling 117 NBA players, the best player of all time is Michael Jordan, and overwhelmingly so. Jordan took a rousing 73% of the vote, while his two biggest rivals in LeBron James and Kobe Bryant only mustered less than 12% of the vote each:

1. Michael Jordan (73%)
2. LeBron James (11.9%)
3. Kobe Bryant (10.6%)
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1.7%)
5. Magic Johnson, Allen Iverson, Kevin Durant (1%)

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-players-overwhelmingly-vote-michael-jordan-goat-over-lebron-james-kobe-bryant/

[FKAri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XixBwzJ4KTk#t=13s

[HylianNightmare]

Water is wet

[SouBeachTalents]

Iverson tied for 5th :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Okay, now what?

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?

[FreezingTsmoove]

Okay, now what?

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?

Of course a LeStans first objection is to CHECK THA $TAT$

And also.... Another One....

[SomeBlackDude]

kareem being disrespected yet again. :facepalm

can a non-troll make a valid argument for why either bron or bean would be ranked higher than cap?

shit, start with making the argument for why they should be ranked higher than the big fundamental for starters.

:facepalm

[G0ATbe]

Was not expecting see Durant on there:lol. And Iverson?:roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Of course a LeStans first objection is to CHECK THA $TAT$

And also.... Another One....

Yeahhh

Why use facts and logical statistics when we can get our biased emotions involved instead :lol

Only a Jordan fan would say that.

No don't use the facts and statistics, just use your emotions. How did he make you feel when he dunked?

[Overdrive]

Okay, now what?

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?

Stats don't measure ability else Westbrook and Harden would be better than Lebron and they aren't by a long shot.

[TheCorporation]

Was not expecting see Durant on there:lol. And Iverson?:roll: :roll:
I think we already learned our lesson that players can be biased and more retarded than even us fans. A clear example is Paul Pierce ranking himself above Dwyane Wade. Pierce has also said that he is a better shooter than Klay Thompson.

[Manny98]

So the consensus amongst NBA players is that LeBron > Kobe?

https://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gif

When LeBron gets his 5th ring he'd be ahead anyway so I'm not concerned

[TheCorporation]

Stats don't measure ability else Westbrook and Harden would be better than Lebron and they aren't by a long shot.

Playoffs orrrr nah?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

kareem being disrespected yet again. :facepalm

can a non-troll make a valid argument for why either bron or bean would be ranked higher than cap?

shit, start with making the argument for why they should be ranked higher than the big fundamental for starters.

:facepalm

Has more to do with younger fans/players than anything else. The poll was tallied votes by current players, right?

You'll seldom hear talking heads even mention Kareem. Guy isn't plastered over youtube like those other dudes are. Their highlights are EVERYWHERE.

[Phoenix]

Yeahhh

Why use facts and logical statistics when we can get our biased emotions involved instead :lol

Only a Jordan fan would say that.

No don't use the facts and statistics, just use your emotions. How did he make you feel when he dunked?

The facts and statistics are there and a 1/4 of the league, none of which would be old enough to have any 'emotional' reason to pick MJ( outside of someone like Vince Carter), voted for him. You gonna be OK, or does Jeff need to put you on suicide watch?

[MJistheGOAT]

Lets not act like LePushed has a huge statistical edge over MJ to overcome the consensus opinion.

Only clear advantages are longevity and 3pt (era-dependant)

[TheCorporation]

The facts and statistics are there and a 1/4 of the league, none of which would be old enough to have any 'emotional' reason to pick MJ( outside of someone like Vince Carter), voted for him. You gonna be OK, or does Jeff need to put you on suicide watch?

Considering I don't pick who's the best player based on emotions, but rather factual evidence in statistical data, I think I'll be okay. How about you tho baby boy?

LeBron is better at

[3ball]

I think we already learned our lesson that players can be biased and more retarded than even us fans. A clear example is Paul Pierce ranking himself above Dwyane Wade. Pierce has also said that he is a better shooter than Klay Thompson.
Pierce had superior skills to Wade and it's not particularly close

Everyone, including you, the media and fans are wrong, just like you've been wrong about a lot of things that were later proven false, because you don't know shit about basketball.. that's why you all must change your opinions all the time - because you didn't know what you were talking about to begin with

Give pierce the same help as wade and he has at least 5 chips.. Wade couldn't play as an older guy because he lacked Pierce's skill

[Phoenix]

Considering I don't pick who's the best player based on emotions, but rather factual evidence in statistical data, I think I'll be okay. How about you tho baby boy?

LeBron is better at
•scoring
•passing
•rebounding
•defending
•clutch shots
•faced tougher competiton
•More WS, VORP, OBPM, DBPM, BPM
•More efficient

But...joRdaN siX bEaTs tHreE :lol

Nah

I'll repeat, since you missed it the first time, this time with the meat of the post in bold:

The facts and statistics are there and a 1/4 of the league, none of which would be old enough to have any 'emotional' reason to pick MJ( outside of someone like Vince Carter), voted for him. You gonna be OK, or does Jeff need to put you on suicide watch?


What emotional reason would 25 year old NBA players have for voting in someone whose prime existed when they were a few years sprung from their dad's n*tsack? Even if they're simply 'parroting' commonly held belief, it's not a vote based on emotion. You also can't assume everyone is clueless like Mitchell Robinson and doesn't know about Hakeem.


So with that said baby boi, you gonna be ok? If you're even thinking about pulling the trigger now.....don't hesitate.

[Overdrive]

Playoffs orrrr nah?

Westbrook since he became a first option is 33/9/11.8 in the playoffs. 25.5/7.8/6.9

Not much worse than Lebron overall, better as a first option.

[3ball]

I'd like to hear a non-longevity statistical argument for lebron over MJ - and lebron only has more win shares because he played way more games

Advanced stats - Lebron leads in bpm and vorp by a hair, but MJ leads in PER, ws/48, and plus-minus

Raw stats - Lebron leads in defensive rebounds and assists, but MJ has a big lead in PPG

DRTG and DBPM count steals, blocks & defensive rebounds, and the defensive rebounds is why bird beats pippen in those stats like lebron beats jordan, and many other cases with other players

So what's the statistical argument for lebron over MJ? I don't see it

[90sgoat]

Wow, Lebron got absolutely trashed!

Remember that these results are with 10 years of blatant dick sucking from ESPN.

Can't even beat out Kobe for 2nd:roll: :roll:

Lebron is HATED among regular people and, I'm guessing, a lot of players. This guy is the Isaiah Thomas of our time. Will be completely forgotten in 20 years.

[ArbitraryWater]

Okay, this is officially the worst/least credible list ever..

I am 100% glad this poll was done, because it proves majority of ballers dont know shit :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Stats don't measure ability else Westbrook and Harden would be better than Lebron and they aren't by a long shot.

another retard

[TheCorporation]

Westbrook since he became a first option is 33/9/11.8 in the playoffs. 25.5/7.8/6.9

Not much worse than Lebron overall, better as a first option.

Yeahhhh so post their career numbers up I dare you :D

[bullettooth]

Okay, now what?

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?

https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

[TheCorporation]

Okay, this is officially the worst/least credible list ever..

I am 100% glad this poll was done, because it proves majority of ballers dont know shit :lol

Precisely!!!! :applause: :applause:

[3ball]

Okay, this is officially the worst/least credible list ever..

I am 100% glad this poll was done, because it proves majority of ballers dont know shit :lol
Right bro, YOU know more right

gtfo loser

[TheCorporation]

https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

I'm not surprised you'd know the website

[Overdrive]

another retard

Time for some turk to beat some sense into you.

The James trolls claim stats are what makes him greater than Jordan, while you can find players with better stats than James himself.

What will they claim then? Stats + titles? Accolades? There's no argument that consideres the whole picture which will push Lebron to #1. His claim to fame is beating the 73 win Warriors(albeit with one of the highest scoring 2nd options ever) and that would be a great narrative without '11.

You're such an insufferable homer. Anytime your boycrushes aren't ranked #1 you throw a tantrum.


Yeahhhh so post their career numbers up I dare you :D

That's all you got? Totals?

[ArbitraryWater]

Time for some turk to beat some sense into you.

The James trolls claim stats are what makes him greater than Jordan, while you can find players with better stats than James himself.

What will they claim then? Stats + titles? Accolades? There's no argument that consideres the whole picture which will push Lebron to #1. His claim to fame is beating the 73 win Warriors(albeit with one of the highest scoring 2nd options ever) and that would be a great narrative without '11.

You're such an insufferable homer. Anytime your boycrushes aren't ranked #1 you throw a tantrum.

The expected Meltdown.

You look like any other retard who says "if stats were all that westbrook/harden be better"

except, Bron blows them out of the water in post-season stats

you can't be changed. once a retard, always a retard

[TheCorporation]

Right bro, YOU know more right

gtfo loser

You're spiraling out of control

[3ball]

MJ beat lebron 79% to 11% in that poll

That's too big a gap to attribute to player incompetence.. and btw, player incompetence < media and fans

[dbugz]

What's the effin big deal?

it's a common knowledge. MJ is the GOAT!

[TheCorporation]

The expected Meltdown.

You look like any other retard who says "if stats were all that westbrook/harden be better"

except, Bron blows them out of the water in post-season stats

you can't be changed. once a retard, always a retard

He has clearly solidifed his retard status :lol

But Harden doe!? Try again:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ beat lebron 79% to 11% in that poll

That's too big a gap to attribute to player incompetence.. and btw, player incompetence < media and fans

i know, and media knows, that iverson and durant aren't 2 of the 5 greatest players ever..

thus, media knowledge > player knowledge

[3ball]

i know, and media knows, that iverson and durant aren't 2 of the 5 greatest players ever..

thus, media knowledge > player knowledge
Both were around 1%, along with a bunch of other players - it's called variance son - go back to community college and re-take that statistics class you failed

[TheCorporation]

i know, and media knows, that iverson and durant aren't 2 of the 5 greatest players ever..

thus, media knowledge > player knowledge

Boom

[Overdrive]

The expected Meltdown.

You look like any other retard who says "if stats were all that westbrook/harden be better"

except, Bron blows them out of the water in post-season stats

you can't be changed. once a retard, always a retard

Meltdown over Jordan? Lebron? I don't like either. You got your panties in a bunch over Lebron not being #1. You immediately went the insulting route. Shows you can't form an argument.

Lebron doesn't blow Westbrook out of the water in post season stats, who was a 2nd option for most of his career. Let that sink in. A 2nd option, who had severe injuries has almost the same stats Lebron has.

As a 1st option it's not even close.

[TheCorporation]

Meltdown over Jordan? Lebron? I don't like either. You got your panties in a bunch over Lebron not being #1. You immediately went the insulting route. Shows you can't form an argument.

Lebron doesn't blow Westbrook out of the water in post season stats, who was a 2nd option for most of his career. Let that sink in. A 2nd option, who had severe injuries has almost the same stats Lebron has.

As a 1st option it's not even close.

Bron just did 34-12-10 on 56% in the FINALS vs the WARRIORS

Wake up.

[sdot_thadon]

But by Ish Mj expert standards isn't most of the nba too young to have seen him play?:wtf:

[Overdrive]

Bron just did 34-12-10 on 56% in the FINALS vs the WARRIORS

Wake up.

With every post you're moving the goalpost.

Let me also do it:

Did he win?

What are his projected playoff stats this season?

[red1]

Never should've been a discussion. Jordan edges him out as a player and also edges him out relatively when it comes to the resume.


Jordan was one of a kind, absolutely addicted to winning the way a drug addict is addicted to their substance of choice. Lebron had the talent but he never wanted it that bad - which is fine.


2nd GOAT and GOAT of his era - very honorable distinctions.

[TheCorporation]

With every post you're moving the goalpost.

Let me also do it:

Did he win?

What are his projected playoff stats this season?

Waiiiiit


You were the idiot trying to narrow it down to just one or two playoff series so compare LeBron's best to Westbrook's and get back to me. You wanna do career? No, okay. Pick their 3 best then?

[3ball]

Bron just did 34-12-10 on 56% in the FINALS vs the WARRIORS

Wake up.
And got beat by more than anyone ever has

8 seeds did better against the Warriors than lebron's 3-time conference champion

So he clearly sacrificed winning play for stats..

This preening fool held the ball for 11 minutes a game, or 25% longer than harden's ridiculous ball-dominance this year.. yet you praise lebron's stats?? That means ur a dumbass.. but carry on, you can't help it

[Overdrive]

Waiiiiit


You were the idiot trying to narrow it down to just one or two playoff series so compare LeBron's best to Westbrook's and get back to me. You wanna do career? No, okay. Pick their 3 best then?

Moving goalposts again? I see.

[Phoenix]

But by Ish Mj expert standards isn't most of the nba too young to have seen him play?:wtf:

The overwhelmingly vast majority would be. You got your 40 year olds like Vince and Dirk. Then you got guys like Wade, CP3 and Lebron, mid 30's guys who'd have seen him as teenagers during the 96-98 run. By the same token the kids got Kareem 4th, and absolutely nobody playing in the NBA now would be old enough to have seen him in his prime( or been alive for that matter for the most part). Then you got them voting Iverson and Durant at 5th. So really, while this board likes to focus on MJ....those are your eyebrow raisers. But really, are the players of today voting for MJ now much different from those of us who routinely put Russell/Wilt and the like in their upper tier rankings? I mean, how many of us on this board have seen them play? Who would have any emotional ties to rank them? At some point 'history' does weigh into the rankings. At the least with MJ, he played in an era modern enough for there to be full videos uploaded of Bulls games so you can get a much better idea of him than say, trying to rank Oscar based on.....?

But, we all know how opinions work and anything contrary to one's own beliefs will ruffle feathers.

[AlternativeAcc.]

3ball himself admits players typically dont have an accurate grasp on player rankings. Kobe at 3 proves that to be the case

Of course Jordan gets 75% of the votes... the MJ propaganda runs even deeper amongst the players

[TheCorporation]

Moving goalposts again? I see.

Me? No son. You are.

Career
Peak
3-game series

Advanced metrics. Regular.

Take your pick. I'll wait (still waiting for you to make a point) :lol

[TheCorporation]

And got beat by more than anyone ever has

8 seeds did better against the Warriors than lebron's 3-time conference champion

So he clearly sacrificed winning play for stats..

This preening fool held the ball for 11 minutes a game, or 25% longer than harden's ridiculous ball-dominance this year.. yet you praise lebron's stats?? That means ur a dumbass.. but carry on, you can't help it


Meltdown city 2ball :facepalm

Did you see the 2018 roster?

[3ball]

3ball himself admits players typically dont have an accurate grasp on player rankings.



I doubt I said exactly that, but here's the reality:

Only a tiny slice of the population has the capacity (playing experience and professional analytical experience) to accurately assess skill sets and rank players

But players still do a better job than dumbass media/fans

Look no further than everyone saying harden's iso'ing is the same thing MJ did for bonafide, dumb analysis from dumb media/fans

That's just one example. Maybe i'll make a thread of all the dumb and proven errors the dumbass media/fans make

[Overdrive]

Me? No son. You are.

Career
Peak
3-game series

Advanced metrics. Regular.

Take your pick. I'll wait (still waiting for you to make a point) :lol

I posted the stats I used for my point already. You changed yours afterwards. I honestly don't care.

[kennethgriffen]

So the consensus amongst NBA players is that LeBron > Kobe?

https://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gif

When LeBron gets his 5th ring he'd be ahead anyway so I'm not concerned


its actually more promising for kobe tbh


if this poll was done when kobe was still dominating statistically he would have gotten way more of the vote.


a lot of players never even saw kobe in his prime or when he won his first 3 yet he's still nearly in 2nd place. which means it will likely stay around 10% while lebrons number will only decrease as he gets worse over time and ultimately leaves

[Real14]

Straight facts:applause: :cheers:

[sdot_thadon]

The overwhelmingly vast majority would be. You got your 40 year olds like Vince and Dirk. Then you got guys like Wade, CP3 and Lebron, mid 30's guys who'd have seen him as teenagers during the 96-98 run. By the same token the kids got Kareem 4th, and absolutely nobody playing in the NBA now would be old enough to have seen him in his prime( or been alive for that matter for the most part). Then you got them voting Iverson and Durant at 5th. So really, while this board likes to focus on MJ....those are your eyebrow raisers. But really, are the players of today voting for MJ now much different from those of us who routinely put Russell/Wilt and the like in their upper tier rankings? I mean, how many of us on this board have seen them play? Who would have any emotional ties to rank them? At some point 'history' does weigh into the rankings. At the least with MJ, he played in an era modern enough for there to be full videos uploaded of Bulls games so you can get a much better idea of him than say, trying to rank Oscar based on.....?

But, we all know how opinions work and anything contrary to one's own beliefs will ruffle feathers.
I totally agree, just like to highlight these odd logic games posters play here. We have a contingent of fans that swear these kids can't have an opinion on Lebron in an all time list yet will post a vote from Nba kids just as young as these posters here. Or even worse attempt Mj arguments against guys like Kareem, Wilt, or Russell when the exact same logic puts them in the same position of kids who never watched other goats play.

[dazzer87]

Okay, this is officially the worst/least credible list ever..

I am 100% glad this poll was done, because it proves majority of ballers dont know shit :lol
this fa66ot think majority of nba players dont know shit about bball? This place........... :roll: :roll:

[And1AllDay]

this fa66ot think majority of nba players dont know shit about bball? This place........... :roll: :roll:

Bruh some players voted KD or Iverson were the GOAT but if we stop the troll shit for one day on the forum and made a real vote how many on this board would ever say that?

[ArbitraryWater]

Meltdown over Jordan? Lebron? I don't like either. You got your panties in a bunch over Lebron not being #1. You immediately went the insulting route. Shows you can't form an argument.

Lebron doesn't blow Westbrook out of the water in post season stats, who was a 2nd option for most of his career. Let that sink in. A 2nd option, who had severe injuries has almost the same stats Lebron has.

As a 1st option it's not even close.

I dont think you grasp the depth of stats beyond pts/rbs/assists, at all.

I also think you have zero clue what you're talking about.

[Celtics 1825]

Jordan > LeBron > Kobe, CONSENSUS

Kenny on suicide watch

[NBASTATMAN]

IVERSON AS 5TH .. :facepalm


PLAYERS GO BY WHO THEY LOOKED UP TO AS KIDS..

[STATUTORY]

:roll: @ Bran shamelessly voting for himself

[bullettooth]

I'm not surprised you'd know the website

I'm surprised you don't.

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan > LeBron > Kobe, CONSENSUS

Kenny on suicide watch

Dont show him this thread :eek:

[Loco 50]

:roll: at the LeBrick fans freaking out and hanging on for dear life to stats.

You do understand your boy is now on the downside of his career and those pretty stats are going to get marred from here on out, right? Especially at his current weight.

If he goes the Hakeem or Snaq route where they hung on just a little too long, watch out. :eek:

What will you grasp for next? Finals appearances? :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

:roll: at the LeBrick fans freaking out and hanging on for dear life to stats.

You do understand your boy is now on the downside of his career and those pretty stats are going to get marred from here on out, right? Especially at his current weight.

If he goes the Hakeem or Snaq route where they hung on just a little too long, watch out. :eek:

What will you grasp for next? Finals appearances? :lol
Shutup phaggut before I bully you into nonexistence

[Loco 50]

Shutup phaggut before I bully you into nonexistence
:eek: Tough guy with a keyboard. You ain't bullying shit, son. :oldlol:

[Proctor]

:roll: at the LeBrick fans freaking out and hanging on for dear life to stats.

You do understand your boy is now on the downside of his career and those pretty stats are going to get marred from here on out, right? Especially at his current weight.

If he goes the Hakeem or Snaq route where they hung on just a little too long, watch out. :eek:

What will you grasp for next? Finals appearances? :lol
:lol :lol :applause:

[SpaceJam]

Bron over Kobe AGAIN?

[Poetry]

Shutup phaggut before I bully you into nonexistence

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b9XBawNM0-E/XG2_9E16DKI/AAAAAAAAm68/FFMRN0tIIC8SekqcBGLTTSRu0TY_oF0MACLcBGAs/s1600/giphy-1.gif

[Overdrive]

I dont think you grasp the depth of stats beyond pts/rbs/assists, at all.

I also think you have zero clue what you're talking about.

Coming from you that's golden.

[SouBeachTalents]

I still can

[ClipperRevival]

According to a survey by The Athletic, polling 117 NBA players, the best player of all time is Michael Jordan, and overwhelmingly so. Jordan took a rousing 73% of the vote, while his two biggest rivals in LeBron James and Kobe Bryant only mustered less than 12% of the vote each:

1. Michael Jordan (73%)
2. LeBron James (11.9%)
3. Kobe Bryant (10.6%)
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1.7%)
5. Magic Johnson, Allen Iverson, Kevin Durant (1%)

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-players-overwhelmingly-vote-michael-jordan-goat-over-lebron-james-kobe-bryant/

Obviously you have to take the results with a grain of salt as I'm sure a lot of these guys are real young, hence the AI and KD picks. But damn, when you get such an overwhelming consensus, it just means, true GOATness transcends eras. Even youngsters who never saw MJ just KNOW he was that dude.

100 years from now, MJ still might be consensus GOAT. It's going to take someone truly special to be on his tier. That means GOAT tier athleticism, mindset and skills. LeBron had the athleticism but lacked the other two.

[SpaceJam2]

Bruh some players voted KD or Iverson were the GOAT but if we stop the troll shit for one day on the forum and made a real vote how many on this board would ever say that?

Anyone?

[ClipperRevival]

Okay, now what?

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?

Hurts doesn't it?

[ClipperRevival]

Shutup phaggut before I bully you into nonexistence

:roll: MELTDOWN.

I know Bron fans, this one really hurts. Not some geek like Wright/Cowherd saying this but actual NBA ballers playing in 2019.

[Poetry]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]I still can

[SpaceJam2]

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?

[72-10]

Green Room

[ClipperRevival]

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?

I got some stats bro.

3/9
Giving up FMVP to your direct assignment 4 times.
Greatest lopsided loss in finals history (2014 Spurs)
Swept twice in finals
Lost 3 straight years with HCA (2009-2011)

Shall I go on or will you cling to the stats your man put up while being bukkakied in finals losses? What say you D&K?

[3ball]

Hmm, I wonder if we have any stats to back up these claims? I wonder if over all these years the sport was played were there any statistics used to measure the abilities of said players? Does anyone know?
There are stats - see the career leader for PER, PPG, and MVP's (11)

[3ball]

I got some stats bro.

3/9
Giving up FMVP to your direct assignment 4 times.
Greatest lopsided loss in finals history (2014 Spurs)
Swept twice in finals
Lost 3 straight years with HCA (2009-2011)

Shall I go on or will you cling to the stats your man put up while being bukkakied in finals losses? What say you D&K?
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-10-2019/cQYKoc.gif

[ClipperRevival]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-10-2019/cQYKoc.gif

Sup fellow MJ fan. You da man. :cheers:

[Smoke117]

Sup fellow MJ fan. You da man. :cheers:

No surprise you two retarded muppets have so much in common. If MJ was up to it you two fakkots would probably argue over who gets it in the ass and who has to settle for the mouth.

[SpaceJam2]

No surprise you two retarded muppets have so much in common. If MJ was up to it you two fakkots would probably argue over who gets it in the ass and who has to settle for the mouth.

3ball would fight for both :lol

[SpaceJam2]

I got some stats bro.

3/9
Giving up FMVP to your direct assignment 4 times.
Greatest lopsided loss in finals history (2014 Spurs)
Swept twice in finals
Lost 3 straight years with HCA (2009-2011)

Shall I go on or will you cling to the stats your man put up while being bukkakied in finals losses? What say you D&K?

Come on in, the water's warm:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465435

[Overdrive]

No surprise you two retarded muppets have so much in common. If MJ was up to it you two fakkots would probably argue over who gets it in the ass and who has to settle for the mouth.

That's the truth for any stan here tbh.

[ClipperRevival]

No surprise you two retarded muppets have so much in common. If MJ was up to it you two fakkots would probably argue over who gets it in the ass and who has to settle for the mouth.

:roll: Sup Smoke. What you drinking tonight?

[Smoke117]

:roll: Sup Smoke. What you drinking tonight?

Not much. Just blazing on some Uk Cheese. I didn't realize I had to drink to bury worthless pieces of scum sucking rat droppings.

[FKAri]

Sup fellow MJ fan. You da man. :cheers:
He is one of the 3 in the unholy trinity of posters on ISH. How dare you salute that phaggit.

[SpaceJam2]

He is one of the 3 in the unholy trinity of posters on ISH. How dare you salute that phaggit.

:roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam]

But ranker.com said Kobe was greater :(

[Big164]

lebron is the flavor of the Month in the long history of Basketball. He will be easily shoved aside by future players just as Oscar and Dr J are discarded today.

But MJ, Wilt and Russell are timeless. Their legacies get better with age.

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/QCNZt6nR/23goog23.jpg

Anyone?

[SpaceJam2]

But ranker.com said Kobe was greater :(

:roll: :roll:

[sportjames23]

According to a survey by The Athletic, polling 117 NBA players, the best player of all time is Michael Jordan, and overwhelmingly so. Jordan took a rousing 73% of the vote, while his two biggest rivals in LeBron James and Kobe Bryant only mustered less than 12% of the vote each:

1. Michael Jordan (73%)
2. LeBron James (11.9%)
3. Kobe Bryant (10.6%)
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1.7%)
5. Magic Johnson, Allen Iverson, Kevin Durant (1%)

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-players-overwhelmingly-vote-michael-jordan-goat-over-lebron-james-kobe-bryant/


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[3ball]

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https://i.postimg.cc/QCNZt6nR/23goog23.jpg

Anyone?


1) Playoff points - PPG is the real record, and MJ's lead over #2 is bigger than the gap between 2 and 10

2) Game-winners - none in the championship, lower frequency of winners, less overall clutch shots (game-tie'ers, stats late in tight games aka clutch stats)

3) Elimination game PPG - Lebron let weak teams take him to the brink (tatum's celts, oladipo pacers, dwight magic, dirk mavs, 36-yr garnett), while MJ only let dynasties do it (celts, pistons), or Finals-level teams (98' Pacers made 00' Finals and 92' Knicks made 94' Finals)

4) Steals - SPG is what matters and determines who was the bigger steals threat each game and possession

5) Gamescore - MJ won more Finals series because he maintained the highest gamescore over the course of the series (highest all-time Finals series gamescores).. He also getting the highest ever single-game gamescore against the best team (47 gamescore vs. 86' Celtics)

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

So the consensus amongst NBA players is that LeBron > Kobe?

https://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gif

When LeBron gets his 5th ring he'd be ahead anyway so I'm not concerned

14 voted for Bran and 12 for Kobe. Thats hardly "consensus" :lol :lol

let me know if u need help with math in summer school babyboi:lol :lol

[BigShotBob]

Who else would they vote for? :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

I'm surprised Jordan won by such a staggering margin because most of the players around weren't old enough to have watched Jordan in his prime and some aren't old enough to have even watched his last Bulls year.

I would have expected more of the current players to have a large share. Kobe, Iverson, and Durant are all ridiculous picks and that lends credence to what I said, but I'm surprised to see LeBron with only 12% of the votes.

[ClipperRevival]

I'm surprised Jordan won by such a staggering margin because most of the players around weren't old enough to have watched Jordan in his prime and some aren't old enough to have even watched his last Bulls year.

I would have expected more of the current players to have a large share. Kobe, Iverson, and Durant are all ridiculous picks and that lends credence to what I said, but I'm surprised to see LeBron with only 12% of the votes.

Yeah, i'm very surprised too at the MJ margin and the low amount of LeBron votes. You would expect that since we are in the midst of LeBron's era, he would get more votes. Very surprising results.

[Phoenix]

I'm surprised Jordan won by such a staggering margin because most of the players around weren't old enough to have watched Jordan in his prime and some aren't old enough to have even watched his last Bulls year.

I would have expected more of the current players to have a large share. Kobe, Iverson, and Durant are all ridiculous picks and that lends credence to what I said, but I'm surprised to see LeBron with only 12% of the votes.

I was saying that before, but Kareem's prime came before MJ even started in the league and unlike MJ, I don't think there's tons of full game video out out of Lew Alcindor. So what criteria is being used there other than hearsay, parroting popular opinion or looking at the record books? Nobody is the league is old enough to have seen him other than someone like Vince who would have been a kid in the 80's( and how much can you really understand about the game at that age)?

I'm wondering if the low Lebron votes are more to do with some growing 'anti-Lebron' sentiment growing around the league. Because yes, it is odd that he didn't get higher votes from current players just on the basis of recency bias alone.

[Celtics 1825]

lebron is the flavor of the Month in the long history of Basketball. He will be easily shoved aside by future players just as Oscar and Dr J are discarded today.

But MJ, Wilt and Russell are timeless. Their legacies get better with age.
Yeah I don't know about this one chief. If anything Wilt and Russell's legacies are getting worse as they've continued to fall down the all time rankings in recent years.

[Soundwave]

This isn't even a debate really anymore.

The general public, the basketball press, the NBA players themselves overwhelmingly choose Jordan as GOAT. Like by a massive margin.

The 10 people on this board who think it's some kind of massive debate are morons. It's not some heated debate, and it's not even particularily close either.

Not only that but LeBron's number there is inflated due to recency bias, it will drop as time goes on (5, 10, 10+ years from now) and someone more recent becomes the next bandwagon to jump on.

Also that gap between LeBron and Kobe isn't much, it means many NBA players consider Kobe to be better than LeBron.

[Manny98]

The poll was rigged btw to promote the whole MJ being the GOAT thing. MJ will always be the golden boy of the NBA

Most people around my age have LeBron as the GOAT this poll is bullshit lol at you clowns for believing this poll is real y'all stupid :oldlol:

[Xiengqichess]

So the consensus amongst NBA players is that LeBron > Kobe?

https://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gif

When LeBron gets his 5th ring he'd be ahead anyway so I'm not concerned
If you poll between Kobe and Lebron, I bet Kobe will beat Lebron easily.
Many players like Lebron’s style of play and might vote for him over Jordan but not many put Kobe over Jordan.
10% of players voted Kobe over Jordan and it says alot.

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=Xiengqichess]If you poll between Kobe and Lebron, I bet Kobe will beat Lebron easily.
Many players like Lebron

[Soundwave]

The poll was rigged btw to promote the whole MJ being the GOAT thing. MJ will always be the golden boy of the NBA

Most people around my age have LeBron as the GOAT this poll is bullshit lol at you clowns for believing this poll is real y'all stupid :oldlol:

This poll echoes polls from the general public. Reality is the people who think LeBron has any case at GOAT are a small, small minority even amongst younger demographics.

In fact, he is pretty much neck and neck with Kobe Bryant. He's not competing with Michael Jordan, not even close, he can't even separate from Kobe Bryant.

There's about 10 posters on this board desperately trying to build up a debate where there is none really.

[Phoenix]

12% already have LeBron over Jordan

When LeBron gets his 5th ring that would jump to over 50% no wonder Jordan stans are shook :oldlol:

That's the victory you're clinging to? If this poll had happened 10 years ago, MJ would have probably gotten the same percentage of votes, and then guys like Kareem and Russell would have gotten some votes as well, maybe a few for Wilt and so on. There's never been any period where MJ would have gotten 100% of the votes, there have ALWAYS been a few players in the mix albeit at much lower percentages.

[Soundwave]

12% already have LeBron over Jordan

When LeBron gets his 5th ring that would jump to over 50% no wonder Jordan stans are shook :oldlol:

12% is a pathetic number, lol, 73% to 12% is supposed to be some massive debate?

It looks to me LeBron can't even get seperation from Kobe, that's a virtual tie with LeBron having a tiny edge due to him still being an active player whereas Kobe is retired.

Maybe Bran-stans should worry about that more, because that first match up is not even a debate, it's a blow out.

Dude is 34, going on 35, he's old. He needed to be at 5, 3-4 years ago, coming out Miami with only 2 titles was a massive let down.

[Manny98]

12% is a pathetic number, lol, 73% to 12% is supposed to be some massive debate?

It looks to me LeBron can't even get seperation from Kobe, that's a virtual tie with LeBron having a tiny edge due to him still being an active player whereas Kobe is retired.

Maybe Bran-stans should worry about that more, because that first match up is not even a debate, it's a blow out.

Dude is 34, going on 35, he's old. He needed to be at 5, 3-4 years ago, coming out Miami with only 2 titles was a massive let down.
Like i said once LeBron gets his 5th its not a debate anymore

I don't know why Jordan stans are celebrating this poll when LeBron hasn't even finished yet

[Overdrive]

12% already have LeBron over Jordan

When LeBron gets his 5th ring that would jump to over 50% no wonder Jordan stans are shook :oldlol:

If, big if, Lebron gets another ring it will be a Pippenring.

[Soundwave]

Like i said once LeBron gets his 5th its not a debate anymore

I don't know why Jordan stans are celebrating this poll when LeBron hasn't even finished yet

What is so special about 5 again? It's nice you've built that up as something amazing in your head, but last I checked Jordan has 6 titles and 6 Finals MVPs.

This is not even close, lol, Jordan has like 3x the vote of LeBron + Kobe combined.

10 years from now LeBron won't even get 10% in a poll like this and he can't even get seperation from Kobe in these types of polls even while he's still actively playing.

He's 34 and entering into the downside of his career and only has 3 titles, which is nothing special.

[Manny98]

Idgaf about this stupid ass poll anyway everyone knows it was rigged to fit the Jordan is the unanimous GOAT agenda

[Leviathon1121]

Idgaf about this stupid ass poll anyway everyone knows it was rigged to fit the Jordan is the unanimous GOAT agenda
Like I keep telling you, hes not close, at all, in any poll, in any demographic...:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MJistheGOAT]

LOL, so 12% vs 73% with GOATdan retired 16 years ago and LeHGH still active after 16 seasons and past his prime, just missing playoffs and with no chances of an alpha ring is gonna transform in a 50%/50%???

At the eyes of the world, MJ is and will be the GOAT until who knows how many more decades. Accept it.

[diamenz]

Idgaf about this stupid ass poll anyway everyone knows it was rigged to fit the Jordan is the unanimous GOAT agenda

http://comicbooked.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Rage-Quit-face-.jpg

[sportjames23]

LOL at Lebron with 12%. And you stans call Kobe 12be? I guess it

[Phoenix]

http://comicbooked.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Rage-Quit-face-.jpg

Dude's one meltdown away from pulling the trigger. If Lebron had won the poll he'd still be rubbing one out.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

LeGED stans on suicide watch.


There really never was a real debate - too many blackmarks against Lebron - came up small on too many occasions.
Don't have the energy to type them all in.


Players born after Jordan left the Bulls voted 73% for him to be the GOAT.


Up next - Lebron tries to get all Jordan Youtube videos removed...:roll: