What Finals does MJ win by averaging 16 on 39% thru 3 games, or 23 on 43 thru 6, or

[3ball]

being a net negative for the series,

or NOT hitting the big shot,

or successfully being exploited for a broke jumper?


Lebron won doing all of these things in 2013 Finals...

#LeFraud.. he didn't deserve it in 2013, and needed 2 bailouts by Kyrie and Silver to win in 2016

[Dray n Klay]

The same Finals he won averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists

[Dray n Klay]

And LeBron averaged 10 rebounds and 8 assists in the first 3 games


So it

[SpaceJam2]

The same Finals he won averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists

[3ball]

The most important thing a #1 option does is score

defensive rebounds should be delegated to bigs, and ball movement generates assists and a winnable brand better than 1 player dominating the ball in the halfcourt

The reality is that the Heat lost with lebron on the floor (net negative), yet he still won the series.. so it's statistical fact that lebron was completely undeserving of winning the series.. :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

Also, who is on defense? Kawhi, Green, Duncan? Or
Hornacek and Byron Russell?

[Dray n Klay]

The most important thing is getting rebounds and assists

Once the rebounds and assists are even, then the tie breaker is the PPG



So when comparing a Finals it

[3ball]

Also, who is on defense? Kawhi, Green, Duncan? Or
Hornacek and Byron Russell?
The Jazz frontcourt demolished both Duncan and Shaq

Lebron never faced anywhere NEAR the frontcourts that MJ faced

And Drexler was a much better 2-way player than 14' Kawhi (12 ppg and an unknown until lebron guarded him)... And Payton > 14' Kawhi.. :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]The most important thing is getting rebounds and assists

Once the rebounds and assists are even, then the tie breaker is the PPG



So when comparing a Finals it

[3ball]

Its ova
No one answered the OP question so I'll answer it:

None

Obviously

[Dray n Klay]

No one answered the OP question so I'll answer it:

None

Obviously


Which Finals does LeBron win with 4 rebounds and 2 assists

[3ball]

Which Finals does LeBron win with 4 rebounds and 2 assists
Several, if he played with goat scoring, goat defense, goat teamwork and goat clutch like MJ



scoring - a record 38% of team's pts
defense - didn't let Byron Russell get FMVP
teamwork - goat brand of ball; whereas Lebron's teams get massively out-assisted
clutch - MJ has numerous clutch shots in Finals; Lebron has zero

[Dray n Klay]

Several, if he played with goat scoring, goat defense, goat teamwork and goat clutch like MJ



scoring - a record 38% of team's pts
defense - didn't let Byron Russell get FMVP
teamwork - goat brand of ball; never got massively out-assisted like Lebron's Finals losses
clutch - MJ has numerous clutch shots in Finals: Lebron has zero


Ok.. and Jordan would have been able to win several finals averaging 25ppg on 45% (lebrons 2013 Finals stats) if he could also get the requisite 11 rebounds and 7 assists :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Ok.. and Jordan would have been able to win several finals averaging 25ppg on 45% (lebrons 2013 Finals stats) if he could also get the requisite 11 rebounds and 7 assists :confusedshrug:
No, because the bulls would've been down 0-3 in every Finals if MJ averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games

And no, because Lebron didn't close... :confusedshrug:

a different HOF closed (Ray Allen)... The bulls didn't have any HOF teammates to hit the goat 3-pointer that was needed if MJ only averaged 23 on 43 thru 6 games (like bron did)
.

[RRR3]

MJ should be a poor man’s DeRozan in this era with his lack of skills. Dude was hopeless from 3PT range.

[egokiller]

being a net negative for the series,

or NOT hitting the big shot,

or successfully being exploited for a broke jumper?


Lebron won doing all of these things in 2013 Finals...

#LeFraud.. he didn't deserve it in 2013, and needed 2 bailouts by Kyrie and Silver to win in 2016

Wait, LeBron didn't have to deal with hand checking and is playing in a league where MJ would average 45 ppg and he STILL only managed to be a net negative? :roll:

Poor lestans. Always taking losses over their MJ wannabe. :oldlol:

[3ball]

MJ should be a poor man’s DeRozan in this era with his lack of skills. Dude was hopeless from 3PT range.
Here's how you know that MJ could've been elite if he wanted to be:

- he shot 43% from three in the 91-93 Finals - so when it mattered, or when tested, he was lights out

- anytime he averaged 3+ attempts per game, he shot 35-38%... he averaged less than 1.5 attempts every year except 1990 and 1993 - those were the only 2 years where he took more than just bailout threes and he shot 35.2 and 37.6 percent.. so he was a 36-37% shooter by barely focusing on it..

- the stats show that MJ had a goat jumper: he made 727 jumpers in 1997, or nearly twice as much as Lebron or Curry's highest volume season at better efficiency than lebron's best season.. MJ was the goat jumpshooter in 1997

- and he had the most flawless form ever.. goat form for the goat


So not "hopeless".. Ben Simmons is hopeless.. MJ's jumper was literally goat

[Vino24]

Terry Rozier has the same form as MJ. In today

[3ball]

.
Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Curry, MJ, Lebron


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543

Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285


Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528


Currry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 56.0%, 424/1029
Currry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 62.9%, 389/847

[3ball]

Terry Rozier has the same form as MJ. In today’s league MJ would be Terry Rozier



.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166 <----- lebron's highest VOLUME year
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784 <----- lebron's highest EFFICIENCY year

Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528 <----- nearly twice the volume with better efficiency than lebron's best


When MJ was 34, he made 727 jumpshots at a 52% efg - that's twice the volume of lebron or curry's highest season, at better efficiency than lebron's best season (see stats in previous post above)

So goat jumpshooting - that's how MJ remained the best player at 35 (MVP/scoring champ/FMVP)

[RRR3]

Here's how you know that MJ could've been elite if he wanted to be:

- he shot 43% from three in the 91-93 Finals - so when it mattered, or when tested, he was lights out

- anytime he averaged 3+ attempts per game, he shot 35-38%... he averaged less than 1.5 attempts every year except 1990 and 1993 - those were the only 2 years where he took more than just bailout threes and he shot 35.2 and 37.6 percent.. so he was a 36-37% shooter by barely focusing on it..

- the stats show that MJ had a goat jumper: he made 727 jumpers in 1997, or nearly twice as much as Lebron or Curry's highest volume season at better efficiency than lebron's best season.. MJ was the goat jumpshooter in 1997

- and he had the most flawless form ever.. goat form for the goat


So not "hopeless".. Ben Simmons is hopeless.. MJ's jumper was literally goat
Why the hell would he not want to be elite at 3s all the time? Was he as retarded as you?

[3ball]

Why the hell would he not want to be elite at 3s all the time? Was he as retarded as you?
Don't get mad because the stats proved you wrong.. :kobe:

And in previous eras, people viewed basketball as basketball.. i.e. 3-pointers are a gimmick and people correctly viewed them as such back in the day..

But yeah, MJ's goat form and jumpshot would easily adopt the gimmick and be a goat jumpshooter today just like he was back then

[RRR3]

Don't get mad because the stats proved you wrong.. :kobe:

And in previous eras, people viewed basketball as basketball.. i.e. 3-pointers are a gimmick and people correctly viewed them as such back in the day..

But yeah, MJ's goat form and jumpshot would easily adopt the gimmick and be a goat jumpshooter today just like he was back then
Cool, he still could have shot better than complete shit most years if he was such a legendary shooter.

[Vino24]

Don't get mad because the stats proved you wrong.. :kobe:

And in previous eras, people viewed basketball as basketball.. i.e. 3-pointers are a gimmick and people correctly viewed them as such back in the day..

But yeah, MJ's goat form and jumpshot would easily adopt the gimmick and be a goat jumpshooter today just like he was back then
How is scoring more points per shot a gimmick? 90s players just were not advanced enough/good at it.

[RRR3]

How is scoring more points per shot a gimmick? 90s players just were not advanced enough/good at it.
Naw bruh MJ missed on purpose!

[3ball]

Cool, he still could have shot better than complete shit most years if he was such a legendary shooter.
Again, MJ and everyone viewed the shot as a gimmick, so MJ took mostly bailouts

But anytime he put a little effort into it (3+ attempts), he shot 35-38%

And remember - 97' MJ made twice as many jumpers as lebron or curry's highest volume seasons, with better efficiency than lebron's best season (see the stats earlier on this page)..

So given that MJ was already a goat jumpshooter with elite FT and form, he would easily be an elite 3-point shooter today.. :confusedshrug:

[riseagainst]

The same Finals he won averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists

[3ball]

The same Finals he won averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists
That was the 98' Finals

What position would the Bulls be after 3 games if MJ averaged 16 on 39%? (instead of 31 on 45%)

0-3 no doubt

So no, not the 98' Finals.. and that's without being a net negative or not hitting the big shot

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Terry Rozier has the same form as MJ. In today

[And1AllDay]

Dont Mike have 2 of the top 5 worst FG% in Finals MVP history of all 50 of them :oldlol:

And 49th ranked assists of 50 :oldlol:
And prob like 45th ranked rebs but Im to lazy to check :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Again, MJ and everyone viewed the shot as a gimmick, so MJ took mostly bailouts

But anytime he put a little effort into it (3+ attempts), he shot 35-38%

And remember - 97' MJ made twice as many jumpers as lebron or curry's highest volume seasons, with better efficiency than lebron's best season (see the stats earlier on this page)..

So given that MJ was already a goat jumpshooter with elite FT and form, he would easily be an elite 3-point shooter today.. :confusedshrug:
Why wouldn’t he put effort into it every year? Literally makes no sense.

[And1AllDay]

The same Finals he won averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists