Statistical Analysis of LeBron's Defense this Season (The Myth is Dead)

[Dray n Klay]

Of the 48 players who averaged 32+ minutes, LeBron ranks 10th among them in Defensive Box Plus/Minus (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2019&year_max=2019&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=32&order_by=dbpm).

Opponents shot 42.8% when guarded by LeBron (https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1)

He averaged 1.8 deflections per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.



What now?? :eek:

:pimp:


:hammertime:


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Is-There-Anyone-Else-Achilles-In-Troy.gif

[Sportal]

*grabs popcorn*

Who's gonna be the first poster against this?

[Dray n Klay]

No trolling, LeBron deserves All-Defensive 2nd team this season.



Shame that the fanboys and trolls go with media naratives and gifs instead of actual defensive analysis

[SpaceJam2]

:applause:

LeBron said it best when questioned about it earlier in the season:

"You guys see me out there, you know what I do you know what I'm capable of doing on the defensive end. Just watch the games."

Meanwhile think about this, this is mostly without his second best defensive player Lonzo Pippen.

[RRR3]

LeBron is still capable of being really good at defense when he feels like it but he’s often pretty lazy. I realize he’s conserving energy for offense but it’s still annoying and he could manage it better.

[Dray n Klay]

Can someone pull Kobe's 2016 Defensive stats for comparison?

[Bawkish]

Statistical Analysis of Lebron's Playoff games this season

https://www.pradeo.com/static/design/images/home/dnp-logo.png

[SpaceJam2]

Can someone pull Kobe's 2016 Defensive stats for comparison?

I'm fu**ing dead :roll: :roll:

Bloodbath incoming...In 5...4...

[brutalBBQ]

Couldn't even defend his mom against Delonte.

[SpaceJam2]

Statistical Analysis of Lebron's Playoff games this season

https://www.pradeo.com/static/design/images/home/dnp-logo.png

What were MJ's year 16 playoff #s? I cant find them on Google :confusedshrug:

[Dray n Klay]

Couldn't even defend his mom against Delonte.

Meanwhile Jordan couldn

[SpaceJam2]

Of the 48 players who averaged 32+ minutes, LeBron ranks 10th among them in Defensive Box Plus/Minus (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2019&year_max=2019&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=32&order_by=dbpm).

Opponents shot 42.8% when guarded by LeBron (https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1)

He averaged 1.8 deflections per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.



What now?? :eek:

:pimp:


:hammertime:


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Is-There-Anyone-Else-Achilles-In-Troy.gif

Anyone?

*crickets*

All I hear are crickets and LAME deflections. Typical

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Meanwhile Jordan couldn

[jstern]

What is the formula for DBPM? Isn't that stat greatly affected by stat padding defensive rebounds, thus the reason Kuzma pushed Lebron to play defense because he was waiting around for a defensive rebound?

I really don't know.

[SpaceJam2]

I really don't know.

Clearly :lol

[Dray n Klay]

What is the formula for this? Isn't this stat greatly affected by stat padding defensive rebound, thus the reason Kuzma pushed Lebron to play defense because he was waiting around for a defensive rebound?

I really don't know.

Yes, that one gif is a better reflection of lebrons defense than all the evidence I posted :roll:


If I show a gif of Dwight hitting a 3 would you believe he was an elite 3 point shooter?

[PickernRoller]

How many individual posters posted on page one?

https://i.ibb.co/2SsrdVB/Sim.jpg

[Big164]

Couldn't even defend his mom against Delonte.
:roll:

[Bawkish]

How many individual posters posted on page one?

https://i.ibb.co/2SsrdVB/Sim.jpg

one alt for every year Lebron lost in Finals

thats quite a dedication, im impressed :cheers:

[PickernRoller]

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[SpaceJam2]

Of the 48 players who averaged 32+ minutes, LeBron ranks 10th among them in Defensive Box Plus/Minus (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2019&year_max=2019&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=32&order_by=dbpm).

Opponents shot 42.8% when guarded by LeBron (https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1)

He averaged 1.8 deflections per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.



What now?? :eek:

:pimp:


:hammertime:


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Is-There-Anyone-Else-Achilles-In-Troy.gif

Anyone?

[PickernRoller]

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:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

How many individual posters posted on page one?

https://i.ibb.co/2SsrdVB/Sim.jpg

Yep, everyone that disagrees with you is an alt. It's much easier to cope with traumatic events by denying them than to accept them.

In your case, it's better for you to deny the fact that people don't agree with you because you're a moron and instead cope with rejection by "accepting" that they are all the same person :lol

[Rico2016]

:roll:

Thank you for this honor :bowdown: TheFam :banana:

[Rico2016]

Yep, everyone that disagrees with you is an alt. It's much easier to cope with traumatic events by denying them than to accept them.

In your case, it's better for you to deny the fact that people don't agree with you because you're a moron and instead cope with rejection by "accepting" that they are all the same person :lol

:eek:

Well, that escalated quickly

[PickernRoller]

Didn't know you turning to psyco analysis now.... ask Smoke how he fared when he tried to pull the same "biting wit" crap... :roll: :roll:

But who am I kidding... you know....

Now seriously, how many more you got on the pipeline that I don't know.....

https://i.ibb.co/cYZPnqT/Sim.jpg

[sbw19]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t08XAwmvEGM


Plays like one above were what got Laker faithful frustrated this season. You'd frequently see players hustling like Wade on D while LeBron coasts or stands and watches. It takes one non-commited player to mess up a defensive rotation, double whammy if he's your leader.

[Gileraracer]

Meanwhile, if you actually watch basketball instead of boxcores and statsheets:

http://i.freegifmaker.me/1/5/5/0/4/9/1550495077816066.gif

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[brutalBBQ]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Meanwhile Jordan couldn

[SpaceJam]

Really? The foundation of your argument is home video of a friendly fan interaction 1:1.and your avatar, lol

Please tell me more about the DPOY that you little boy has won
, after 15 seasons, when the GOAT MJ retired he had 9 all defense selections, LeBotched had 6.

In RS after 15 seasons same on blocks per game .8
On steals surprise, surprise MJ on 2.3 LePorus 1.6.

LeLazy, despite his height advantage and physical presence is only good for a rec 2 3 zone, even then he gets pushed into position by guys that sort of know what defense looks like.

MJ on the other hand lead on offense and defense , LeFruad doesn't need exposure, it's there for everyone to see.

Hook, line, sinker. Jesus Christ, meltdown more bro

[bobopenguin]

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[34-24 Footwork]

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:lol :lol :applause:

[paksat]

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[paksat]

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[superduper]

He averaged 1.8 deflections per game, which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game, which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.

These guys are jerking themselves off at these types of defensive "stats"...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What kind of arbitrary comparisons are these. Westbrook and Harden are some defensive templates now? Danny is a decent man defender, what does including Danny in "deflections" even represent? Is he supposed to be a master of deflecting the ball? Let alone fking KD and Siakam :roll:

What does defensive box plus minus actually mean in terms of on court basketball impact? Are you able to completely define it and articulate how it impacts the reality of a basketball game on the court without providing a Google definition answer?

I mean, these are some seriously desparate times for Bran stans so I don't blame them one bit tbh. The meltdowns have been amazing to watch.

[paksat]

These guys are jerking themselves off at these types of defensive "stats"...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What kind of arbitrary comparisons are these. Westbrook and Harden are some defensive templates now? Danny is a decent man defender, what does including Danny in "deflections" even represent? Is he supposed to be a master of deflecting the ball? Let alone fking KD and Siakam :roll:

What does defensive box plus minus actually mean in terms of on court basketball impact? Are you able to completely define it and articulate how it impacts the reality of a basketball game on the court without providing a Google definition answer?

I mean, these are some seriously desparate times for Bran stans so I don't blame them one bit tbh. The meltdowns have been amazing to watch.

https://i.ibb.co/2SsrdVB/Sim.jpg

[SpaceJam2]

Of the 48 players who averaged 32+ minutes, LeBron ranks 10th among them in Defensive Box Plus/Minus (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2019&year_max=2019&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=32&order_by=dbpm).

Opponents shot 42.8% when guarded by LeBron (https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1)

He averaged 1.8 deflections per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.



What now?? :eek:

:pimp:


:hammertime:


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Is-There-Anyone-Else-Achilles-In-Troy.gif

Anyone?

[superduper]

Anyone?


He averaged 1.8 deflections per game, which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game, which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.

These guys are jerking themselves off at these types of defensive "stats"...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What kind of arbitrary comparisons are these. Westbrook and Harden are some defensive templates now? Danny is a decent man defender, what does including Danny in "deflections" even represent? Is he supposed to be a master of deflecting the ball? Let alone fking KD and Siakam :roll:

What does defensive box plus minus actually mean in terms of on court basketball impact? Are you able to completely define it and articulate how it impacts the reality of a basketball game on the court without providing a Google definition answer?

I mean, these are some seriously desparate times for Bran stans so I don't blame them one bit tbh. The meltdowns have been amazing to watch.

[SpaceJam2]

These guys are jerking themselves off at these types of defensive "stats"...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What kind of arbitrary comparisons are these. Westbrook and Harden are some defensive templates now? Danny is a decent man defender, what does including Danny in "deflections" even represent? Is he supposed to be a master of deflecting the ball? Let alone fking KD and Siakam :roll:

What does defensive box plus minus actually mean in terms of on court basketball impact? Are you able to completely define it and articulate how it impacts the reality of a basketball game on the court without providing a Google definition answer?

I mean, these are some seriously desparate times for Bran stans so I don't blame them one bit tbh. The meltdowns have been amazing to watch.

Meltdown

[superduper]

Meltdown

Yeah I notice when I present straight reality and facts ya'll either try your best to drown them out with memes and emojis or say some deflective shit like "meltdown"

Anotha one :cheers:

[SpaceJam2]

Yeah I notice when I present straight reality and facts ya'll either try your best to drown them out with memes and emojis or say some deflective shit like "meltdown"

Anotha one :cheers:

Weakest FG% 41% lol
Weakest assists 2.3 lol
Weakest opppenents 10.6 ppg Hornacek (#2 option)

Best #2 option, Pip
Best #3 option Grant/Rodman

Cant make this stuff up

[Dray n Klay]

The truth cannot be hidden any longer...

[tpols]

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:roll:

[paksat]

The truth cannot be hidden any longer...

I'm making sure it's not..























































































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[SpaceJam2]

The truth cannot be hidden any longer...
They are trying, but...


Of the 48 players who averaged 32+ minutes, LeBron ranks 10th among them in Defensive Box Plus/Minus (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2019&year_max=2019&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=32&order_by=dbpm).

Opponents shot 42.8% when guarded by LeBron (https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1)

He averaged 1.8 deflections per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.



What now?? :eek:

:pimp:


:hammertime:


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Is-There-Anyone-Else-Achilles-In-Troy.gif

[elementally morale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t08XAwmvEGM


Plays like one above were what got Laker faithful frustrated this season. You'd frequently see players hustling like Wade on D while LeBron coasts or stands and watches. It takes one non-commited player to mess up a defensive rotation, double whammy if he's your leader.

That was a HUGE travel. I don't even like LeBron... but Grant Hill walked.

[sbw19]

That was a HUGE travel. I don't even like LeBron... but Grant Hill walked. Not many fastbreak travels get called in the NBA, certainly not against star players. The entire sequence is a weird mix of errors, starting with LeBron's botched no-nook pass attempt to his touch foul at the end. Kinda surprising they called it too.

[TheCorporation]

Of the 48 players who averaged 32+ minutes, LeBron ranks 10th among them in Defensive Box Plus/Minus (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2019&year_max=2019&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=32&order_by=dbpm).

Opponents shot 42.8% when guarded by LeBron (https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?sort=D_FG_PCT&dir=-1)

He averaged 1.8 deflections per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Kevin Durant, Danny Green, and Pascal Siakam

He contests 2.5 3-pointers per game (https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS_3PT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season), which is more than Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden.



What now?? :eek:

:pimp:


:hammertime:


http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Is-There-Anyone-Else-Achilles-In-Troy.gif

The truth is out. Anyone?

[FKAri]

That was a HUGE travel. I don't even like LeBron... but Grant Hill walked.
It's a travel because there is no room for grey area the moment you touch the ball with two hands. But with 1 hand? You can take like 10 steps while you're "gathering" it between receiving a pass and running a fast break. And if you can palm a ball then you can cheat the rules even more.

Technically, the moment you receive a pass you have to let go of it from both hands before you take 2 steps. That never EVER happens in a fast break situation in the NBA.

[AirTupac]

LeBrons been a huge reason why we fall apart in games. As a leader whos seen visibly not showing effort on the defensive end and missing rotations. It rubs off on the team. He's not as bad as Rondo though.... which isnt a compliment.

[Dray n Klay]

LeBrons been a huge reason why we fall apart in games. As a leader whos seen visibly not showing effort on the defensive end and missing rotations. It rubs off on the team. He's not as bad as Rondo though.... which isnt a compliment.


The best scorer, rebounder, playmaker on the team is the reason they’re not winning games? :roll:


Any more insights for us, AirDumbass? :lol

[bullettooth]

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[AirTupac]

https://i.postimg.cc/k5XJ92Lg/jabroni-lames-defense.gif

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And these are just the cringy embarassing ones. There have been so many where he is just standing around and then has the audacity to complain to his teammates after.

[bullettooth]

And these are just the cringy embarassing ones. There have been so many where he is just standing around and then has the audacity to complain to his teammates after.

Like this?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZgoKjTcM2QM/maxresdefault.jpg

[egokiller]

LeBron couldn't even stop Jason Terry. His stans use the excuse that it was because of no energy due to having to exert all of it on offense against JJ Berea. :wtf:

[NBASTATMAN]

GOAT DEFENSE BY THE KANG :bowdown:

[PickernRoller]

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:biggums:
:roll: :roll:

[bullettooth]

Look at Wheels go!

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[paksat]

Look at Wheels go!

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MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SpaceJam2]

GOAT DEFENSE BY THE KANG :bowdown:


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[Doranku]

Look at Wheels go!

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:roll: :roll: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Look at Wheels go!

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:oldlol: :oldlol:

[AirFederer]

Look at Wheels go!

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Got em


This is gold :roll:

[bobopenguin]

Look at Wheels go!

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lol
:lol :lol :lol