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Marchesk
04-12-2019, 09:50 AM
From the regular season while accounting for defensive playoff competition and teammate performance.

https://i.postimg.cc/8PpGLwLk/jordan-playoff-improvement.png

This is an offensive assessment of a player's impact. Curry ranks as the worst improved playoff performers among stars, but the video acknowledges that he had injuries in 2016 and 2018 that account for that. Harden is next, followed by David Robinson. But the shocker is Larry Bird at fourth, with Karl Malone at fifth worst.

Lebron and Kobe are around the same level. Hakeem has the best ten year stretch of playoff improvement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtL_zCF6qgQ

FKAri
04-12-2019, 10:02 AM
No way to take into account coasting. Also, if you give 100% all the time then one would assume your numbers would drop against better competition (playoffs).

Now we all know that MJ was a coaster who never gave full effort on the basketball court. It's no secret that he had no passion for basketball and his heart just wasn't in it like it was for baseball or blackjack. In conclusion, LeGOAT. Thank you for your time.

Marchesk
04-12-2019, 10:06 AM
No way to take into account coasting. Also, if you give 100% all the time then one would assume your numbers would drop against better competition (playoffs).

It's probably also those brutal Eastern Conference defenses we've seen in recent years, plus Lebron's coasting, like during his MVP seasons.

FKAri
04-12-2019, 10:28 AM
It's probably also those brutal Eastern Conference defensives, plus Lebron's coasting, like during his MVP seasons.
tbh I don't put too much stock into how much someone "raises" their play in the playoffs as much as simply how good were they in the playoffs. I look at it more like playoff numbers are a more accurate reflection of a player's production than regular season in every way except one: sample size.

Sample size notwithstanding, here is why regular season "stats" are less meaningful: Less evenly matched teams means there's more blowouts. Blowouts heavily skew stats. Also, superstars players play on cruise control in the regular season even if it's only a subconscious decision (ya even MJ that's why he's talked about finding new ways to get motivated in the regular season). Lots of reasons for this: They've usually already locked in a decent seed; they're concerned more about health; the stakes just aren't that high. These things can make you lazy. There's also a smart reason to do this which has nothing to do with laziness: Becoming better as a team is a higher priority to winning the games. These things don't come into play as much in the playoffs (but in early rounds for very dominant teams, they can).

bullettooth
04-12-2019, 12:16 PM
No way to take into account coasting. Also, if you give 100% all the time then one would assume your numbers would drop against better competition (playoffs).

Now we all know that MJ was a coaster who never gave full effort on the basketball court. It's no secret that he had no passion for basketball and his heart just wasn't in it like it was for baseball or blackjack. In conclusion, LeGOAT. Thank you for your time.

LeBron's 2010-2011 season followed by that historical finals performance at 18ppg.

What excuse do you have for that?

FKAri
04-12-2019, 12:49 PM
LeBron's 2010-2011 season followed by that historical finals performance at 18ppg.

What excuse do you have for that?
There's a back story to that. Stern caught up with LeBron in Vegas on April 2011 when He was there to film a TV spot. Stern was worried that Miami winning it all would be bad for business. Bron agreed but told him not to worry about it. LeBron said He couldn't guarantee that Dallas would win even if He tried His best to throw the series. So Lebron picked up the phone and bought a 2% share in Liverpool F.C. on the spot. He told Stern he would give it to him for losses incurred if Dallas failed to win. Despite Dirk choking, LeBron came up clutch for the NBA and Stern. Even though He has no use for the LFC share or any other financial instrument, He's kept it since. For the lolz.

bullettooth
04-12-2019, 01:06 PM
There's a back story to that. Stern caught up with LeBron in Vegas on April 2011 when He was there to film a TV spot. Stern was worried that Miami winning it all would be bad for business. Bron agreed but told him not to worry about it. LeBron said He couldn't guarantee that Dallas would win even if He tried His best to throw the series. So Lebron picked up the phone and bought a 2% share in Liverpool F.C. on the spot. He told Stern he would give it to him for losses incurred if Dallas failed to win. Despite Dirk choking, LeBron came up clutch for the NBA and Stern. Even though He has no use for the LFC share or any other financial instrument, He's kept it since. For the lolz.

Wow :lol

egokiller
04-12-2019, 01:33 PM
No way to take into account coasting. Also, if you give 100% all the time then one would assume your numbers would drop against better competition (playoffs).

Now we all know that MJ was a coaster who never gave full effort on the basketball court. It's no secret that he had no passion for basketball and his heart just wasn't in it like it was for baseball or blackjack. In conclusion, LeGOAT. Thank you for your time.

Wait, so a guy who had no passion won every finals he ever played in for his team with 6 FMVP, but a guy who supposedly had passion lost 6 times?

Thanks for playing.

We all done up in here folks. :applause:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Shaquille O'Neal
04-12-2019, 02:17 PM
Now we all know that MJ was a coaster who never gave full effort on the basketball court. It's no secret that he had no passion for basketball and his heart just wasn't in it like it was for baseball or blackjack. In conclusion, LeGOAT. Thank you for your time.





:applause:
Been on ISH since it was on ezboards in 2004. Congrats, this is the hands down dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
You've really outdone yourself with this one. Bravo good sir!:bowdown:

Shaquille O'Neal
04-12-2019, 02:19 PM
Wait, so a guy who had no passion won every finals he ever played in for his team with 6 FMVP, but a guy who supposedly had passion lost 6 times?

Thanks for playing.

We all done up in here folks. :applause:

:roll: :roll: :roll:



FKAri wins the Interwebz with that one. It is impressive the level of stupidity behind even thinking that, let alone typing it.

FKAri
04-12-2019, 02:43 PM
Wait, so a guy who had no passion won every finals he ever played in for his team with 6 FMVP, but a guy who supposedly had passion lost 6 times?

Thanks for playing.

We all done up in here folks. :applause:

:roll: :roll: :roll:
I never said LeGOAT had passion for basketball. In fact, he doesn't take it seriously at all. For LeGOAT basketball is merely a way to wind down at the end of the day and dominate fools. He just happens to be the GOAT at it.

SouBeachTalents
04-12-2019, 02:56 PM
:applause:
Been on ISH since it was on ezboards in 2004. Congrats, this is the hands down dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
You've really outdone yourself with this one. Bravo good sir!:bowdown:
I refuse to believe anyone is that incapable of perceiving such blatantly obvious sarcasm

ImKobe
04-12-2019, 03:20 PM
No way to take into account coasting. Also, if you give 100% all the time then one would assume your numbers would drop against better competition (playoffs).

Now we all know that MJ was a coaster who never gave full effort on the basketball court. It's no secret that he had no passion for basketball and his heart just wasn't in it like it was for baseball or blackjack. In conclusion, LeGOAT. Thank you for your time.

I think it's the opposite. Lebron starts Regular Seasons off slow and takes vacations mid-season while MJ played 78-82 games, except for the few seasons he got injured in and he played more MPG and won the scoring title in 10 out of 11 full seasons played in Chicago, the only year he didn't win the scoring title was his rookie year.

Jordan played 38.8 MPG & all 82 games at age 35 and still improved on the offensive end in the POs.