Will Lebron James Acquire a Respectable Jump Shot Next Season to Help the Team?

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Has there EVER been a perimeter that relied on Dunks/Layups THIS much?

This really goes to show that "shooting above 50%" doesn't mean shit. This dude is practically guarded like Ben Simmons.

When you look at these numbers, Keep in mind that virtually NO ONE has guarded him during the actual game on the perimeter since like 2013. You have a few guys that go out of their way to embarrass him so they play up on him (Kawhi/KD). But players go underneath every screen and DARE him to take open/semi-contested jumpers on a nightly basis which really hurts the offense.

https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

[No Sir]

Defenders back off of him because he's one of if not the the most dangerous slash/pass player of all time. Kobe stans can't relate. He averages more attempts from 3 on a better percentage than your boyfriend Kobe:lol

[StrongLurk]

Bron's had a respectable jumpshot for a while. Free throws on the other hand...

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Kobe. Kobe


:biggums: :biggums:

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It becomes respectable in the midst of a game where he's made one or two contested jumpers. But players still leave him open/go underneath EVERY screen and play the drive with very little concern of the consequence. Just weird for a perimeter player, I guess.

[Wally450]

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[ArbitraryWater]

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[plowking]

This forum is a bunch of people with their feelings hurt going back and forth.

OP acting like a gossip girl.

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"OP said Bron can't shoot; I better post gifs of Lebron making a jumper from a series where a 300 LB Boris Diaw notoriously sagged 6 feet off of him. That totally won't prove OP's point."

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This forum is a bunch of people with their feelings hurt going back and forth.

OP acting like a gossip girl.

All this because I'm asking if Lebron will develop a jumper to help win games? :lol

[3ball]

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Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Curry, MJ, Lebron


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543
Lebron 2017 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.8%, 226/643
Lebron 2018 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 304/802
Lebron 2019 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 210/563


Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285


Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528
Jordan 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.4%, 600/1449


Currry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 56.0%, 424/1029
Currry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 62.9%, 389/847




.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166 <----- lebron's highest VOLUME year
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784 <----- lebron's highest EFFICIENCY year

Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528 <----- nearly twice the volume with better efficiency than lebron's best


Lebron lacks the jumpshot that old MJ used to maintain MVP status at 35 years old, and therefore lacks the necessary skills to make a "comeback" next year as the best player

When MJ was 34, he made 727 jumpshots at a 52% efg - that's twice the volume of lebron or curry's typical season, at better efficiency than lebron's best season (see stats in previous post above)

So goat jumpshooting - that's how MJ remained the best player at 35 (MVP/scoring champ/FMVP)

And it should be noted that MJ's goat volume is a reflection of the of his goat jumpshooting skill (fadeaway).. only MJ and Kobe are capable of that VOLUME, and at better efficiency than Lebron's best
.

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Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Curry, MJ, Lebron


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543
Lebron 2017 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.8%, 226/643
Lebron 2018 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 304/802
Lebron 2019 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 210/563


Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285


Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528
Jordan 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.4%, 600/1449


Currry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 56.0%, 424/1029
Currry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 62.9%, 389/847




.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166 <----- lebron's highest VOLUME year
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784 <----- lebron's highest EFFICIENCY year

Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528 <----- nearly twice the volume with better efficiency than lebron's best


Lebron lacks the jumpshot that old MJ used to maintain MVP status at 35 years old, and therefore lacks the necessary skills to make a "comeback" next year as the best player

When MJ was 34, he made 727 jumpshots at a 52% efg - that's twice the volume of lebron or curry's typical season, at better efficiency than lebron's best season (see stats in previous post above)

So goat jumpshooting - that's how MJ remained the best player at 35 (MVP/scoring champ/FMVP)

And it should be noted that MJ's goat volume is a reflection of the of his goat jumpshooting skill (fadeaway).. only MJ and Kobe are capable of that VOLUME, and at better efficiency than Lebron's best
.


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[And1AllDay]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

:eek:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NtKS8YR5ioo/maxresdefault.jpg

:(

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I have been pointing out for a while now that LeGED generally as a rule will have more TURNOVERS per game than SHOTS made outside the paint.:lol

[And1AllDay]

I have been pointing out for a while now that LeGED generally as a rule will have more TURNOVERS per game than SHOTS made outside the paint.:lol

Should he scoot back farther to make the shots harder on himself or try to get closer what is a better idea

Bonus question if its so easy to score in the paint why dont more players do this

[Shaquille O'Neal]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xlajBaeXtvNIw8/giphy.gif

:eek:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NtKS8YR5ioo/maxresdefault.jpg

:(



How many when your team is down / behind? Probably like 1-2 for LeGBT.
All his are "we're tied - no pressure if you miss - just go to OT". Also against stunning teams like the Pacers and Raptors last year.



Jordan did this shit with all the money on the table. And in the finals on multiple occasions. And from behind (1991 game 2 to go into OT, 1997 twice, 1998 game 6, etc.)



Lebron in the finals on game winning shots - 0/9.:facepalm

[And1AllDay]

How many when your team is down / behind? Probably like 1-2 for LeGBT.
All his are "we're tied - no pressure if you miss - just go to OT". Also against stunning teams like the Pacers and Raptors last year.



Jordan did this shit with all the money on the table. And in the finals on multiple occasions. And from behind (1991 game 2 to go into OT, 1997 twice, 1998 game 6, etc.)



Lebron in the finals on game winning shots - 0/9.:facepalm

That gif was a playoff game just like the graphic say can you read ok Pay attention when And1 the professor is schooling.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2tEJp7hNbz8/hqdefault.jpg

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Should he scoot back farther to make the shots harder on himself or try to get closer what is a better idea

Bonus question if its so easy to score in the paint why dont more players do this



Well he's almost as big as a center - if you ever watch basketball centers generally have a higher FG%.



He's just a lousy jumpshooter. You know it and I know it. He has a stiff arm / spin move, (most are really travels). Lousy footwork and back to the basket play. Period. He never "evolved". Has times where he gets hot from the field, but overall and consistently, a rather poor shooter all things considered.

[And1AllDay]

Well he's almost as big as a center - if you ever watch basketball centers generally have a higher FG%.



He's just a lousy jumpshooter. You know it and I know it. He has a stiff arm / spin move, (most are really travels). Lousy footwork and back to the basket play. Period. He never "evolved". Has times where he gets hot from the field, but overall and consistently, a rather poor shooter all things considered.

So then I am assuming your not the only person who knows this "supposed" information so then why dont they stop him if he has no moves how does he have more points than Mike in the post season? Are defenders that dumb or are you that smart or is LeBron that great or are you lying

[Shaquille O'Neal]

That gif was a playoff game just like the graphic say can you read ok Pay attention when And1 the professor is schooling.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2tEJp7hNbz8/hqdefault.jpg



I spit facts. I said he maybe had 1-2 in a billion playoff games where they were behind.
Most of his late game scoring is when they're tied or ahead.


Tell me one game winner hit hit in a finals game. I'll be waiting a long time (i.e. forever) for this.

[And1AllDay]

I spit facts. I said he maybe had 1-2 in a billion playoff games where they were behind.
Most of his late game scoring is when they're tied or ahead.


Tell me one game winner hit hit in a finals game. I'll be waiting a long time (i.e. forever) for this.

playoffs
https://i.postimg.cc/Jnd16J6V/Bron-gw-post.jpg

[StrongLurk]

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Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Curry, MJ, Lebron


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543
Lebron 2017 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.8%, 226/643
Lebron 2018 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 304/802
Lebron 2019 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 210/563


Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285


Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528
Jordan 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.4%, 600/1449


Currry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 56.0%, 424/1029
Currry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 62.9%, 389/847




.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166 <----- lebron's highest VOLUME year
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784 <----- lebron's highest EFFICIENCY year

Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528 <----- nearly twice the volume with better efficiency than lebron's best


Lebron lacks the jumpshot that old MJ used to maintain MVP status at 35 years old, and therefore lacks the necessary skills to make a "comeback" next year as the best player

When MJ was 34, he made 727 jumpshots at a 52% efg - that's twice the volume of lebron or curry's typical season, at better efficiency than lebron's best season (see stats in previous post above)

So goat jumpshooting - that's how MJ remained the best player at 35 (MVP/scoring champ/FMVP)

And it should be noted that MJ's goat volume is a reflection of the of his goat jumpshooting skill (fadeaway).. only MJ and Kobe are capable of that VOLUME, and at better efficiency than Lebron's best
.

Why did you include so many Lebron seasons and so few Kobe/Curry seasons?

Honestly at a quick glance, this seems like Kobe and Lebron are basically on the same level for eFG on jumpshots.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

So then I am assuming your not the only person who knows this "supposed" information so then why dont they stop him if he has no moves how does he have more points than Mike in the post season? Are defenders that dumb or are you that smart or is LeBron that great or are you lying



Your English is horrific. It's "you're not the only person" and "don't" is really a contraction.


More moves than Mike? Mike Miller, sure. Micheal Jeffrey Jordan?:yaohappy:


He has more playoff points playing in the weakest conference in the history of basketball. East has been a joke - this year a 41-41 team (Detroit) made the playoffs.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

playoffs
https://i.postimg.cc/Jnd16J6V/Bron-gw-post.jpg



Wow so many playoff points and so clutch. Must have a TON of rings! 9/9 in the finals then right?:facepalm

[StrongLurk]

Your English is horrific. It's "you're not the only person" and "don't" is really a contraction.


More moves than Mike? Mike Miller, sure. Micheal Jeffrey Jordan?:yaohappy:


He has more playoff points playing in the weakest conference in the history of basketball. East has been a joke - this year a 41-41 team (Detroit) made the playoffs.

How did Lebron manage to win 3 rings with a JV/Joke eastern conference team?

Hell, how did he put up like 32/10/10 on great efficiency 4 years in a row in the finals against the best the West had to offer???

Don't get me wrong, MJ>Lebron...but your opinions on Lebron are retarded.

[And1AllDay]

Your English is horrific. It's "you're not the only person" and "don't" is really a contraction.


More moves than Mike? Mike Miller, sure. Micheal Jeffrey Jordan?:yaohappy:


He has more playoff points playing in the weakest conference in the history of basketball. East has been a joke - this year a 41-41 team (Detroit) made the playoffs.

I said more points you retartded idiot learn to read :banghead:

Where is that pic lemme find it one sec since your so dumb

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Typical (and recent) shot chart from Lebron:


I mean just look at this guy. Lebron ames (no J):


https://i.ibb.co/92kKTG2/Leliminated02.jpg

[Shaquille O'Neal]

https://i.ibb.co/92kKTG2/Leliminated02.jpg

[And1AllDay]

Wow so many playoff points and so clutch. Must have a TON of rings! 9/9 in the finals then right?:facepalm

Can you shut up now what is your excuse now you have none but you will try your best to make one up

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Can't believe a handful of you retards still STAN this top 20 great. :facepalm

[And1AllDay]

https://i.ibb.co/92kKTG2/Leliminated02.jpg

Hol up didn't Mikey shoot 18% from 3 when zone defense was allowed


:oldlol: :roll:


Wrekt :banana:

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[And1AllDay]

Can you shut up now what is your excuse now you have none but you will try your best to make one up

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

Shaq are you okay with being top 5 Will KD push you out?

https://i.postimg.cc/KYnny3n6/tenor.gif

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Shaquille Oneal-

If you pull Advanced stats For shooting for KD and PG13, its shocking.

LeBron legitimately has taken more shots within 5 feet than some 7 footers.

Dude just doesn't take chances when it comes to that FG%

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol, I wasn't gonna chime in except for trolling OP, but Shaq having a meltdown going back to "rangz" after his clutch assumption got exposed :lol

[And1AllDay]

Lol, I wasn't gonna chime in except for trolling OP, but Shaq having a meltdown going back to "rangz" after his clutch assumption got exposed :lol

It really was a thing of beauty that dude had the whole Bronny Fam rolling :oldlol: :roll:

[G0ATbe]

Lol, I wasn't gonna chime in except for trolling OP, but Shaq having a meltdown going back to "rangz" after his clutch assumption got exposed :lol
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Lol, I wasn't gonna chime in except for trolling OP, but Shaq having a meltdown going back to "rangz" after his clutch assumption got exposed :lol

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

Can't believe a handful of you retards still STAN this top 20 great. :facepalm


:lol

Me either, bro.

Funny part is that they CLING to the fg% even though he's probably the LEAST guarded perimeter player of all time.

Even his low% shot attempts are wide the fvck open and uncontested.

Pretty much like Ben Simmons.

[TheCorporation]

Lol, I wasn't gonna chime in except for trolling OP, but Shaq having a meltdown going back to "rangz" after his clutch assumption got exposed :lol

:lol :lol

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ the stans talking about Lebron being clutch after missing the playoffs his first year in the West.

Really bad timing :lol

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Lol, I wasn't gonna chime in except for trolling OP, but Shaq having a meltdown going back to "rangz" after his clutch assumption got exposed :lol



? Got exposed?
I just spit facts. LeGED has been to the finals 9 times. He has 0 game winners in 49 final finals games. 18 wins, 31 losses.


This "clutch" stat is a ESPN type manipulated stat - ie "go ahead" scoring, and playoffs.
What about come from behind to take the lead or to tie? IE Jordan at the end of regulation with 5 seconds left, game 3 1991 series. Series tied 1-1 with game(s) 3-5 headed to LA. LA would have been up 2-1 in that series had Jordan not hit one of the most clutch shots to tie and force overtime.


But does that fit into the "ESPN Clutch $tat doe" metric? Lebron hitting a shot in the 1st round against lowly Indiana (who NEVER should have even been allowed to go 7 games vs. Lefraud anyway) with the score TIED?


Do you understand basic things like Shot A): First round, tie score, hit shot vs. Shot B) Finals series, from behind, if I miss we may lose series? The level of pressure between these two are night and day. Shot A at worst leads to OT.



Think about context. It matters. Make mine "Mike" every day of the week.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Arbitrary - Lebron has played in the Finals 9 times. 49 games. Only won 18. But that's neither here nor there.


List all of his Finals game winning shots please. Had damn near 50 tries at it.


I'll be waiting.

[TheCorporation]

? Got exposed?
I just spit facts. LeGED has been to the finals 9 times. He has 0 game winners in 49 final finals games. 18 wins, 31 losses.


This "clutch" stat is a ESPN type manipulated stat - ie "go ahead" scoring, and playoffs.
What about come from behind to take the lead or to tie? IE Jordan at the end of regulation with 5 seconds left, game 3 1991 series. Series tied 1-1 with game(s) 3-5 headed to LA. LA would have been up 2-1 in that series had Jordan not hit one of the most clutch shots to tie and force overtime.


But does that fit into the "ESPN Clutch $tat doe" metric? Lebron hitting a shot in the 1st round against lowly Indiana (who NEVER should have even been allowed to go 7 games vs. Lefraud anyway) with the score TIED?


Do you understand basic things like Shot A): First round, tie score, hit shot vs. Shot B) Finals series, from behind, if I miss we may lose series? The level of pressure between these two are night and day. Shot A at worst leads to OT.



Think about context. It matters. Make mine "Mike" every day of the week.

:cry:
Meltdown

[sdot_thadon]

One game for all the marbles?



http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rr335mymaeegif/ku-medium.gif

[TheCorporation]

One game for all the marbles?



http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rr335mymaeegif/ku-medium.gif

2013 Game 7 of the NBA Finals
Greatest close out game considering pressure, hype, legacy, who was defending who and what his teammates did


LeBron scored 37 that game on Kawhi Leonard
Bosh scored 0
Ray Allen scored 2

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Shaquille Oneal-

If you pull Advanced stats For shooting for KD and PG13, its shocking.

LeBron legitimately has taken more shots within 5 feet than some 7 footers.

Dude just doesn't take chances when it comes to that FG% Right, because he cares MORE about how he looks on a sheet of paper than willing his team to win. All these great players are in the top 1% of salary earners in the World. I cheer for people who leave it all on the line in order to win, not a dude trying to claim he's the best on skewed stats / stat padding. I don't cheer for guys that go hug the other team's player after a fight (Chris Paul / Rondo). What a pu$$ generation of millennial crybabies we have now.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

One game for all the marbles?



http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rr335mymaeegif/ku-medium.gif



Not even in photo editing software can people make Lebron clutch in the Finals.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

:cry:
Meltdown



Got an articulate response wheels?:facepalm

[PP34Deuce]

A lot of feminine energy in this thread. Praying for all you with sons.

[TheCorporation]

2013 Game 7 of the NBA Finals
Greatest close out game considering pressure, hype, legacy, who was defending who and what his teammates did


LeBron scored 37 that game on Kawhi Leonard
Bosh scored 0
Ray Allen scored 2

Shaq? You still there buddy?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

2013 Game 7 of the NBA Finals
Greatest close out game considering pressure, hype, legacy, who was defending who and what his teammates did


LeBron scored 37 that game on Kawhi Leonard
Bosh scored 0
Ray Allen scored 2



Fact get in the way of your delusions though.


Fact: Prior to that Lebron missed two shots: A 3 pointer and 2 pointer. Is 1/3 good?
Fact: Miami was up 90-88 PRIOR to that shot - again, no pressure. This happened right after Timmy missed that tip-in that I'm sure haunts him to this day. So, it's not a game winner. Happened with 27 seconds left, team already up 2 (that made it 4).
Fact: Game 7 doesn't even happen without game 6 and Ray Allen's shot.


But, carry on. If this is where you hang your hat (up 4 pt jumpshot with 27 seconds left after missing 2 shots) being "clutch" then go for it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron had a respectable jumper in Miami. For a couple of seasons at least.

The stats outside of 5 feet are incredible though.

On offense, Lebron really does get by because of athleticism. Well that and his height. Can't knock someone for knowing their limitations, but without the assists, you'd think your reading the profile of a center :oldlol:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

A lot of feminine energy in this thread. Praying for all you with sons.



Simon has a ton of accounts, lube for his wheels, and estrogen.:lol

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Lebron had a respectable jumper in Miami. For a couple of seasons at least.

The stats outside of 5 feet are incredible though.

On offense, Lebron really does get by because of athleticism. Well that and his height. Can't knock someone for knowing their limitations, but without the assists, you'd think your reading the profile of a center :oldlol:



100% spot on.

[sdot_thadon]

Not even in photo editing software can people make Lebron clutch in the Finals.
actually Lebron has the most clutch finals performance ever by your own standards, in this very thread.



How many when your team is down / behind? Probably like 1-2 for LeGBT.
All his are "we're tied - no pressure if you miss - just go to OT


Because if they came in a tie game or up they don't count as clutch right? So how about when your series is tied or you're up a game? Is that still clutch?

So my real question is how many of MJ's finals winners came while he was down in a series? How many of MJ's "legendary" games came facing elimination? Or even down in a series? Lebron has the most cutthroat performances in playoff history, don't embarrass yourself here with stupid logic. Lebron is as clutch as anyone to play the game.

[And1AllDay]

actually Lebron has the most clutch finals performance ever by your own standards, in this very thread.



Because if they came in a tie game or up they don't count as clutch right? So how about when your series is tied or you're up a game? Is that still clutch?

So my real question is how many of MJ's finals winners came while he was down in a series? How many of MJ's "legendary" games came facing elimination? Or even down in a series? Lebron has the most cutthroat performances in playoff history, don't embarrass yourself here with stupid logic. Lebron is as clutch as anyone to play the game.

Whoa I never even thought of it like this but your right and Shaq wrekt him self bad bad bad.

MJ was always favored and up in the series so what kinda pressure is that really. Whoa...

[3ball]

playoffs
https://i.postimg.cc/Jnd16J6V/Bron-gw-post.jpg



^^^^ that looks okay until you start expanding out to include more and more clutch categories:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dbt99bvW4AEWNVY.jpg


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2019/06MEeB.gif


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcMRksWW0AAwxhZ.jpg



#LeFraud

[Shaquille O'Neal]

actually Lebron has the most clutch finals performance ever by your own standards, in this very thread.



Because if they came in a tie game or up they don't count as clutch right? So how about when your series is tied or you're up a game? Is that still clutch?

So my real question is how many of MJ's finals winners came while he was down in a series? How many of MJ's "legendary" games came facing elimination? Or even down in a series? Lebron has the most cutthroat performances in playoff history, don't embarrass yourself here with stupid logic. Lebron is as clutch as anyone to play the game.



So losing 6 out of 9 finals and being down 3-1 and 3-2 in 2 of the other 3 make you clutch? Do you hear yourself talk?


Hint: This thread is about Lebron's poor jumpshot, which everyone without blinders on know is an issue.
He has 0 game winning shots in the FINALS in 49 games. Fact.


Fact:


Lebron James has never won a championship in a full NBA season without a bailout shot by a teammate.


Read that again:


Lebron James has never won a championship in a full NBA season without a bailout shot by a teammate.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

^^^^ that looks okay until you start expanding out to include more and more clutch categories:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dbt99bvW4AEWNVY.jpg


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2019/06MEeB.gif


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcMRksWW0AAwxhZ.jpg



#LeFraud





3ball, these morons think Lebron's 19 ft jumpshot to make the lead 4 points with 27 seconds left in game 7 of 2013 is a "game winner". :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

So losing 6 out of 9 finals and being down 3-1 and 3-2 in 2 of the other 3 make you clutch? Do you hear yourself talk?


Hint: This thread is about Lebron's poor jumpshot, which everyone without blinders on know is an issue.
He has 0 game winning shots in the FINALS in 49 games. Fact.


Fact:


Lebron James has never won a championship in a full NBA season without a bailout shot by a teammate.


Read that again:


Lebron James has never won a championship in a full NBA season without a bailout shot by a teammate.
Didn't realize you'd have absolutely no answer to that post. No arguments from the defense?
I rest my case.

edit: better yet, why don't you list MJ's finals gamewinners so we can poke them with the same stupid stick you're holding.

[Hey Yo]

Your English is horrific. It's "you're not the only person" and "don't" is really a contraction.


More moves than Mike? Mike Miller, sure. Micheal Jeffrey Jordan?:yaohappy:


He has more playoff points playing in the weakest conference in the history of basketball. East has been a joke - this year a 41-41 team (Detroit) made the playoffs.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

That would be the 80's and mostly 90's West. Plus factor in the expansion era of the late 80's and 90's.

Tell us again about how Shane Battier is an amazing shooter and how Korver's amazing shooting helped James win a title even though he wasn't even on the 2016 Cavs team.

[3ball]

So my real question is how many of MJ's finals winners came while he was down in a series? How many of MJ's "legendary" games came facing elimination? Or even down in a series? Lebron has the most cutthroat performances in playoff history, don't embarrass yourself here with stupid logic. Lebron is as clutch as anyone to play the game.


The idea isn't to lose or be down in a series

Most series are won because the competitor comes thru when they have a chance to go up in a series, or win it - mj came through in these moments, so he won more.

Otoh, Lebron screws up these spots that winning competitors typically succeed in, thus getting down in the series and building a more losing record overall as a result

Btw, MJ won various playoff series with shots, i.e. 1989 1st round, 1993 ecsf, and 98' Finals.. he also hit shots to go ahead in various series, i.e. 89' ecf, 97 Finals, game 3 of 91' Finals.. to name a few

[Overdrive]

2013 Game 7 of the NBA Finals
Greatest close out game considering pressure, hype, legacy, who was defending who and what his teammates did


LeBron scored 37 that game on Kawhi Leonard
Bosh scored 0
Ray Allen scored 2

Ray Allen scored the most important 3 points in Lebron's career. Doesn't matter that he only scored 2 in G7.

[tpols]

.
Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Curry, MJ, Lebron


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543
Lebron 2017 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.8%, 226/643
Lebron 2018 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 304/802
Lebron 2019 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 210/563


Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285


Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528
Jordan 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.4%, 600/1449


Currry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 56.0%, 424/1029
Currry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 62.9%, 389/847




.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166 <----- lebron's highest VOLUME year
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784 <----- lebron's highest EFFICIENCY year

Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528 <----- nearly twice the volume with better efficiency than lebron's best


Lebron lacks the jumpshot that old MJ used to maintain MVP status at 35 years old, and therefore lacks the necessary skills to make a "comeback" next year as the best player

When MJ was 34, he made 727 jumpshots at a 52% efg - that's twice the volume of lebron or curry's typical season, at better efficiency than lebron's best season (see stats in previous post above)

So goat jumpshooting - that's how MJ remained the best player at 35 (MVP/scoring champ/FMVP)

And it should be noted that MJ's goat volume is a reflection of the of his goat jumpshooting skill (fadeaway).. only MJ and Kobe are capable of that VOLUME, and at better efficiency than Lebron's best
.


Great stuff... kobe & mJ both had seasons where they hit 700+ jumpers.

You could also see from the data why lebrons numbers and efficiency are better than ever the past few years... hes completely outsourced his jumpshot.

itd be cool to see where dirk stacks up.

[sdot_thadon]

The idea isn't to lose or be down in a series
Right dummy the same as the idea isn't to be down or lose a game. It's a sport buddy. You and Shaq there share the same stupid logic, you sure you guys aren't.......:eek:

[BigShotBob]

Lebron does what he does best. Drive to the basket and score in the paint (but not so much in the post - funny).

I ignore his FG%, same with Giannis. Especially across positions. TS% matters more because it takes into account three point percentage and attempts along with free throws and jump shots (the best indicators of pure shooting skill).

But he will not acquire a respectable jump shot. That ship has sailed. He has his gifts and he sticks to using his size and athleticism to get his points in the paint and in transition.

He plays a lot more like a power forward than anything. The only difference is he has great vision.

[ArbitraryWater]

Arbitrary - Lebron has played in the Finals 9 times. 49 games. Only won 18. But that's neither here nor there.


List all of his Finals game winning shots please. Had damn near 50 tries at it.


I'll be waiting.

you're all over the place

had damn near 50 game winning attempts in the finals? dumbass lol

LeBron's J is great, peaked last year, probably.


Lebron had a respectable jumper in Miami. For a couple of seasons at least.

The stats outside of 5 feet are incredible though.

On offense, Lebron really does get by because of athleticism. Well that and his height. Can't knock someone for knowing their limitations, but without the assists, you'd think your reading the profile of a center :oldlol:

yeah, respectable, that was it...

he was still singled out for it, barely shot 3's in 2012... but as Kerr said, when it really became elite in Cleveland circa '16 is when he reached MJ.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you're all over the place

had damn near 50 game winning attempts in the finals? dumbass lol

LeBron's J is great, peaked last year, probably.



yeah, respectable, that was it...

he was still singled out for it, barely shot 3's in 2012... but as Kerr said, when it really became elite in Cleveland circa '16 is when he reached MJ.

You have the numbers?

Post his midrange and jumpshot percentages from 2016-2018.

[ArbitraryWater]

You have the numbers?

Post his midrange and jumpshot percentages from 2016-2018.

Do you have them?

I know he barely took 3's in 2012, I know that almost all of his scoring in the 2012 finals came within 6 feet, that he was made to shoot in 2013 by Diaw...

where as 2016 finals LeBron and every LeBron after terrorized teams with his jumper, traumatized Toronto, hit game winners with it everywhere, basically made his post game fade a regular shot to his arsenal, and dropped 50 on GS last year in the GOAT finals game where the threat of the J set up his whole game.