If you were to give the 96 Bulls time to prepare, how much do they win by against...

[72-10]

this Warriors team?

[HylianNightmare]

There's primetime first round basketball on and this is what you want to talk about?

[RRR3]

Swept 4-0.


MJ spamming midrange jumpers while Curry KD and Klay splash 3s ain’t gonna cut it.

[StrongLurk]

Warriors win regardless. 96 Bulls LOOKED more dominant because the NBA was shit in the late 90s...how do worse versions of MJ, Pippen and Rodman win more than they did in their primes/peaks?

[SpaceJam2]

This aint weak 90s ball anymore baby boy.

Swept 4-0.


MJ spamming midrange jumpers while Curry KD and Klay splash 3s ain

[1987_Lakers]

The KD-Curry Warriors would destroy the '96 Bulls no matter how much time you give the Bulls to prepare for them. Bulls benefited greatly from the short 3 point line, move the 3 line back to its original spot and the Bulls have nobody on that starting 5 who can hit that shot on a consistent basis, they are the less talented team overall, I expect the Warriors to shoot them out of the gym.

To make matters worse, you have Steve Kerr as the Warriors coach, a guy who knew that Bulls team inside out.

[eliteballer]

Would be hilarious watching how easy the Bulls would score with these rules, and how easy they would neutralize Curry.

[1987_Lakers]

Would be hilarious watching how easy the Bulls would score with these rules, and how easy they would neutralize Curry.

It would be hilarious watching Curry on a consistent bases pull up from 30 feet and drain the shot, while the Bulls look at each other in confusion like "Who is this guy? You are not supposed to play like that." :oldlol:

[eliteballer]

It would be hilarious watching Curry on a consistent bases pull up from 30 feet and drain the shot, while the Bulls look at each other in confusion like "You are not supposed to play like that." :oldlol:

:oldlol: Not with Jordan/Pippen/Harper harassing him with their length and athleticism..

[ArbitraryWater]

thread backfire

[1987_Lakers]

:oldlol: Not with Jordan/Pippen/Harper harassing him with their length and athleticism..

Here is the thing, MJ would absolutely hate to play against a team like this because by '96 he was 32-33 and all game long he would have to follow players like Curry, Klay, or Durant who are all great off-ball players and great shooters. I can imagine he would get flustered and might get tired faster than usual because of all the responsibilities he has on the offensive end.

Warriors have a bunch of players who can explode on you with their scoring ability within a second, the Bulls don't really have that. To make matters worse, Golden State is also a great defensive team when they are locked in.

[SpaceJam2]

The KD-Curry Warriors would destroy the '96 Bulls no matter how much time you give the Bulls to prepare for them. Bulls benefited greatly from the short 3 point line, move the 3 line back to its original spot and the Bulls have nobody on that starting 5 who can hit that shot on a consistent basis, they are the less talented team overall, I expect the Warriors to shoot them out of the gym.

To make matters worse, you have Steve Kerr as the Warriors coach, a guy who knew that Bulls team inside out.

Annnd

Bang

[eliteballer]

Here is the thing, MJ would absolutely hate to play against a team like this because by '96 he was 32-33 and all game long he would have to follow players like Curry, Klay, or Durant who are all great off-ball players and great shooters. I can imagine he would get flustered and might get tired faster than usual because of all the responsibilities he has on the offensive end.

Warriors have a bunch of players who can explode on you with their scoring ability within a second, the Bulls don't really have that. To make matters worse, Golden State is also a great defensive team when they are locked in.

Yeah, the best player on a 72 win team would get "tired"...and he would save a ton of energy and fatigue but not having the physical play they did back then.

[72-10]

the Bulls were a nightmare to get through on the perimeter, I'm not even sure Curry would get his shot off, their offense revolving around setting screens isn't necessarily going to work with such a great perimeter defense guarding them. If they had to play in the more physical 90s era, would be interesting to see how these players would react to the first hit in the paint. You think Curry can just camp outside?

[SpaceJam2]

Mods...

[72-10]

Here is the thing, MJ would absolutely hate to play against a team like this because by '96 he was 32-33 and all game long he would have to follow players like Curry, Klay, or Durant who are all great off-ball players and great shooters. I can imagine he would get flustered and might get tired faster than usual because of all the responsibilities he has on the offensive end.

Warriors have a bunch of players who can explode on you with their scoring ability within a second, the Bulls don't really have that. To make matters worse, Golden State is also a great defensive team when they are locked in.

They set illegal screens. They carry the ball.

[imdaman99]

It would be hilarious watching Curry on a consistent bases pull up from 30 feet and drain the shot, while the Bulls look at each other in confusion like "Who is this guy? You are not supposed to play like that." :oldlol:
If you seriously believe the Bulls gameplan and let Curry walk up and chuck 30 footers over and over on them you really did not watch those Bulls :lol Explain to me which one of the Bulls players would get picked on defensively? Even Luc Longley they would prob bench and have a capable big man in the lineup since the art of the post up big man is gone.

[1987_Lakers]

the Bulls were a nightmare to get through on the perimeter, I'm not even sure Curry would get his shot off, their offense revolving around setting screens isn't necessarily going to work with such a great perimeter defense guarding them. If they had to play in the more physical 90s era, would be interesting to see how these players would react to the first hit in the paint. You think Curry can just camp outside?

One legged Ron Harper & a past prime defensive MJ is gonna stop an absolute peak Curry from getting a shot off? GTFO. :oldlol:

All you people who still live in the 90's really need to take a few minutes out of your day and watch this vid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydOUbQqYb30

[72-10]

One legged Ron Harper & a past prime defensive MJ is gonna stop an absolute peak Curry from getting a shot off? GTFO. :oldlol:

All you people who still live in the 90's really need to take a few minutes out of your day and watch this vid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydOUbQqYb30

I guess you're implying that Pippen would guard Klay. Jordan locked opponents down then when it was needed. If Pippen guards Klay, there is no way the Warriors are going to win because all of the scoring is reliant upon Curry. How is Curry going to get 50 points on Jordan? He can't even do that in this league against defenders who are inferior to Jordan's defense.

[ArbitraryWater]

One legged Ron Harper & a past prime defensive MJ is gonna stop an absolute peak Curry from getting a shot off? GTFO. :oldlol:

All you people who still live in the 90's really need to take a few minutes out of your day and watch this vid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydOUbQqYb30

:cheers:

[1987_Lakers]

I guess you're implying that Pippen would guard Klay. Jordan locked opponents down then when it was needed. If Pippen guards Klay, there is no way the Warriors are going to win because all of the scoring is reliant upon Curry. How is Curry going to get 50 points on Jordan? He can't even do that in this league against defenders who are inferior to Jordan's defense.

Pippen on Klay would work to the Warriors favor. That leaves Jordan on Durant in which Durant has a big size advantage on, or Rodman on Durant, if you put Rodman on the perimeter against Durant, that will severely impact the Bulls rebounding ability.

[FKAri]

Nostalgia Goggles vs Recency Bias. Who wins? Tough question.

This version of Warriors beats any version of the Bulls imo.

[72-10]

Pippen on Klay would work to the Warriors favor. That leaves Jordan on Durant in which Durant has a big size advantage on, or Rodman on Durant, if you put Rodman on the perimeter against Durant, that will severely impact the Bulls rebounding ability.

Harper is their fourth best defender. There's too much great defense on the team. With equal rules, I think the Bulls win.

[Dray n Klay]

Jordan quits and plays baseball before the series starts

[1987_Lakers]

The Bulls are an outdated team. You have a Longley-Rodman frontline which provides no offense or no spacing, and a starting backcourt which provides no three point shooting. Im sorry, that team just wouldn't work in today's NBA.

Why do you think Phil Jackson didn't work in New York? He failed to realize that to win in today's league you need spacing and shooters, he was trying to build a team like if it was 1996, he failed to adjust to the new era.

That's one of the reasons why I admire guys like Jerry West, or Bill Belichick in the NFL, instead of screaming "back in my day", they see the current trends in their leagues and adjust which is why they are still so successful.

[TheCorporation]

One legged Ron Harper & a past prime defensive MJ is gonna stop an absolute peak Curry from getting a shot off? GTFO. :oldlol:

All you people who still live in the 90's really need to take a few minutes out of your day and watch this vid...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydOUbQqYb30

Watching now :cheers:

[TheCorporation]

Jordan quits and plays baseball before the series starts

Load management :lol He could never make 8 consecutive Finals let alone 4 :lol

[72-10]

The Bulls are an outdated team. You have a Longley-Rodman frontline which provides no offense or no spacing, and a starting backcourt which provides no three point shooting. Im sorry, that team just wouldn't work in today's NBA.

Why do you think Phil Jackson didn't work in New York? He failed to realize that to win in today's league you need spacing and shooters, he was trying to build a team like if it was 1996, he failed to adjust to the new era.

That's one of the reasons why I admire guys like Jerry West, or Bill Belichick in the NFL, instead of screaming "back in my day", they see the current trends in their leagues and adjust which is why they are still so successful.

No, they're not. You say that because you're accustomed to watching digital film the past decade+ rather than the analog film from the 90s. That's part of the reason it looks different - the film grain.

[72-10]

Load management :lol He could never make 8 consecutive Finals let alone 4 :lol

that's why every single analyst in the world thinks he could have won 8 straight chips

[TheCorporation]

that's why every single analyst in the world thinks he could have won 8 straight chips

So he couldn't win 4 but somehow would win 8?

Did you watch 1995? Do you know that even existed?

Are you talking about NBA chips or World Series wins?

[1987_Lakers]

No, they're not. You say that because you're accustomed to watching digital film the past decade+ rather than the analog film from the 90s. That's part of the reason it looks different - the film grain.

The league is vastly different. Shooting is more important than ever, the pro-typical power forward in the 90's was a bruiser who provided rebounding and low-post defense, but wasn't very skilled. The 4 spot today is vastly different, they are more skilled in many areas of the game including shooting. The league started to realize that the 3 point shot is incredibly valuable so now teams shoot it more than ever instead of taking long 2's which are the most inefficient shot in basketball.

If you can't see that, then you don't know what you're talking about.

[sdot_thadon]

They set illegal screens. They carry the ball.
Not that i necessarily agree with either side of this argument, both have solid points.....but bro, you're an Mj fan speaking about carrying the ball? That was one of the 1st criticisms Og Mj haters had when he exploded to the mainstream.

[TheCorporation]

The league is vastly different. Shooting is more important than ever, the pro-typical power forward in the 90's was a bruiser who provided rebounding and low-post defense, but wasn't very skilled. The 4 spot today is vastly different, they are more skilled in many areas of the game including shooting. The league started to realize that the 3 point shot is incredibly valuable so now teams shoot it more than ever instead of taking long 2's which are the most inefficient shot in basketball.

If you can't see that, then you don't know what you're talking about.

Shit man, back then each team had ONE guy that could dribble, one or two guys that can shoot 3's, one guy that could rebound. The talent and skill sets were too shallow to ask for more than that. Each team had a "specialist" meanwhile in today's modern era of basketball you are asked to do ALL of those things at a high level. It's just different now. Most 90s guys wouldn't sniff the NBA now.

[72-10]

The league is vastly different. Shooting is more important than ever, the pro-typical power forward in the 90's was a bruiser who provided rebounding and low-post defense, but wasn't very skilled. The 4 spot today is vastly different, they are more skilled in many areas of the game including shooting. The league started to realize that the 3 point shot is incredibly valuable so now teams shoot it more than ever instead of taking long 2's which are the most inefficient shot in basketball.

If you can't see that, then you don't know what you're talking about.

3 point shooting is more important now than ever.

Shooting in general, though? No. Most players in the 80s and 90s had a good or great mid-range jump or set shot that they could make from 15 feet. They were actually probably better from 10 feet out to the three then than they are now.

[72-10]

Shit man, back then each team had ONE guy that could dribble, one or two guys that can shoot 3's, one guy that could rebound. The talent and skill sets were too shallow to ask for more than that. Each team had a "specialist" meanwhile in today's modern era of basketball you are asked to do ALL of those things at a high level. It's just different now. Most 90s guys wouldn't sniff the NBA now.

You are completely talking out of your ass.

[Kblaze8855]

The Bulls are an outdated team. You have a Longley-Rodman frontline which provides no offense or no spacing, and a starting backcourt which provides no three point shooting. Im sorry, that team just wouldn't work in today's NBA.

Why do you think Phil Jackson didn't work in New York? He failed to realize that to win in today's league you need spacing and shooters, he was trying to build a team like if it was 1996, he failed to adjust to the new era.

That's one of the reasons why I admire guys like Jerry West, or Bill Belichick in the NFL, instead of screaming "back in my day", they see the current trends in their leagues and adjust which is why they are still so successful.

Of course a team from a quarter century ago is outdated. My question is why is it whenever old teams are matched up with new ones we put the old team under new circumstances instead of the other way around.

In 2019 players are used to freedom of movement, the bullshit "zero step" traveling rules", both teams being content to run back and forth, 5 second back to back, allowed zones and little physical reason not to drive.

They play the game the NBA has molded the rules to make.

90s teams played the way their league demanded.

If the late 90s Rockets play the Bulls Jordan, Barkley, Drexler, and Hakeem could all realistically be called for 5 second back to the basket violations today. That rule didnt exist then. They literally made posting up too long illegal...think it impacts guys who specialized in post scoring? Jordan...Pippen...both of them were fouling by modern defensive standards with the way they would body up and guide people. Think that matters?

How do you just drop them into a whole other league like they can just magically "prepare"?

The game is drastically different. Why wouldnt a modern star laden team be better suited to play its brand of ball than a team full of guys who never played it?

[sdot_thadon]

That's exaclty why these hypotheticals don't work per se. Each person obviously wants to see the team they think win play in their era. But also Kblaze, isn't part of it the player x would average this many points in today's game rules?

[TheCorporation]

You are completely talking out of your ass.

Not a chance, ask KBlaze too.

Players require far more skills in today's league. No two ways about it my dude.

[Kblaze8855]

Of course it is. Some of this is common sense.

If the league actually tells you they wanted it to be more "open" outside and changed defensive rules accordingly just as teams got back to running like the 70s....

Of course guys who played with fewer possessions and slow it down defensive juggernauts score more today.

Some things should be beyond our individual bias. Of course a moved in line would help todays weaker outside shooters. And of course todays open lanes and rules would help yesterdays slashers.

[Kblaze8855]

Not a chance, ask KBlaze too.

Players require far more skills in today's league. No two ways about it my dude.


Learning one thing at the expense of another isnt being more skilled. Its being skilled in different areas.

If bigmen now could shoot outside....AND had polished post games?

Thats being more skilled.

Losing one for the other isnt an increase.

[72-10]

yeah, so, that 96 Sonics team was brilliant, too, 4 All-Stars, balanced scoring, Sam Perkins also chipping in 12 points game, plus steals champion and All-Defensive Teamer Nate McMillan off the bench. I know, though, you're not talking out of your ass.

[TheCorporation]

Learning one thing at the expense of another isnt being more skilled. Its being skilled in different areas.

If bigmen now could shoot outside....AND had polished post games?

Thats being more skilled.

Losing one for the other isnt an increase.

I understand that but what is more valuable? Learning to spread the floor with maximum spacing and hitting 3's or banging down low for 2's?

And you do agree that players require a wider variety of skills to compete in today's league, right?

[sdot_thadon]

Right, which is why the correct answer might be each team would win within their era/rule set. I mean growing up i really believed Mj would average 60 a game and the bulls would destroy Russell's Celtics. Truth is they'd probably be called for traveling nonstop until they realized they'd have to limit their dribbling like the old guys did. Or tired out quicker and shoot alot worse due to the faster paced game. Each era is it's own universe damn near.

[72-10]

I understand that but what is more valuable? Learning to spread the floor with maximum spacing and hitting 3's or banging down low for 2's?

And you do agree that players require a wider variety of skills to compete in today's league, right?

what don't you get - you cannot have good spacing against the wingspan of Pippen-Rodman-Jordan-Harper. Do you realize what their wingspans are?

[TheCorporation]

what don't you get - you cannot have good spacing against the wingspan of Pippen-Rodman-Jordan-Harper. Do you realize what their wingspans are?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Best shit I've read all day. Thanks for the laughs

[72-10]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Best shit I've read all day. Thanks for the laughs

You just went full retard. How is Durant supposed to score on Pippen? Jordan would probably not just shoot fadeaways the whole time and actually try to drive a little, dragging Curry's bum defense around the court.

[jayfan]

Warriors win regardless. 96 Bulls LOOKED more dominant because the NBA was shit in the late 90s...how do worse versions of MJ, Pippen and Rodman win more than they did in their primes/peaks?
When do you think Pippen's prime/peak was?


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[1987_Lakers]

You just went full retard. How is Durant supposed to score on Pippen? Jordan would probably not just shoot fadeaways the whole time and actually try to drive a little, dragging Curry's bum defense around the court.

The way you discuss basketball is very basic.

How is Durant who is basically 7 feet and one of the greatest scorers ever gonna score on Pippen? What kind of question is that? Great defenders get torched by great scorers all the time.

[MrFonzworth]

We will not be having 20-30 topics at once on 3 people who arent playing who you cant seem to keep out of your heads.

Im not gonna explain the situation before they go. Or ask you to stop. Topics are just gonna be deleted so save any clearly rehashed convincing nobody topics for the offseason. The same 16 people will be here to respond the same way they did yesterday and pretend their points or yours are new and interesting. They will pop in and respond to pics they have seen 3500 times with rolling emojis like they are still funny. They will keep responding to 3/9, 1/9, 6/24 and all the rest as if there is any new spin to be put on it and you arent all insane. They are just as obsessed as you and will be bursting at the seams to make shit topics with no new points in June. They will not abandon you while normal fans discuss the playoffs.

Only warning. You wont hear from me again on the subject.

[72-10]

The way you discuss basketball is very basic.

How is Durant who is basically 7 feet and one of the greatest scorers ever gonna score on Pippen? What kind of question is that? Great defenders get torched by great scorers all the time.

K, he's 6-9 and they have the same wingspan. Pippen was in his prime. Furthermore, Pippen is a better defender than Durant is at offense...

[sdot_thadon]

K, he's 6-9 and they have the same wingspan. Pippen was in his prime. Furthermore, Pippen is a better defender than Durant is at offense...
Umm....No. Every defender gets burned by great scorers at some point.

[TheCorporation]

You just went full retard. How is Durant supposed to score on Pippen? Jordan would probably not just shoot fadeaways the whole time and actually try to drive a little, dragging Curry's bum defense around the court.

Second best shit I read all day

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You're on a roll, keep it going moron :lol

[TheCorporation]

what don't you get - you cannot have good spacing against the wingspan of Pippen-Rodman-Jordan-Harper. Do you realize what their wingspans are?


:roll: :roll:

Are you going to change your name to 73-9 :lol

72-10 is just like having a Jordan avatar pic, still second place at best, but not GOAT :D

[Kblaze8855]

We will not be having 20-30 topics at once on 3 people who arent playing who you cant seem to keep out of your heads.

Im not gonna explain the situation before they go. Or ask you to stop. Topics are just gonna be deleted so save any clearly rehashed convincing nobody topics for the offseason. The same 16 people will be here to respond the same way they did yesterday and pretend their points or yours are new and interesting. They will pop in and respond to pics they have seen 3500 times with rolling emojis like they are still funny. They will keep responding to 3/9, 1/9, 6/24 and all the rest as if there is any new spin to be put on it and you arent all insane. They are just as obsessed as you and will be bursting at the seams to make shit topics with no new points in June. They will not abandon you while normal fans discuss the playoffs.

Only warning. You wont hear from me again on the subject.


Is 9 20-30? Because thats how many there are right now...and most of them from before I said that. About 10 have been deleted.

I dont mind people talking about anything. But during the playoffs we dont need 30 stale repeats. A couple wont hurt though.

[Big164]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Swept 4-0.


MJ spamming midrange jumpers while Curry KD and Klay splash 3s ain

[SpaceJam]

Curry being guarded by Jordan is Doing what?

Klay being guarded by long ass Pippen is Doing what?

KD being trolled by Rodman is doing what?


Have you lost your f*cking mind?

Rodman isn't stopping KD from scoring lmaaaao

Also this ya father's 3pt shooters from the 90's we talking about...MJ and Pippen gotta chase Curry if they wanna stop him

Cousins roasting Longley too, BBQ chicken.

[egokiller]

Would be hilarious watching how easy the Bulls would score with these rules, and how easy they would neutralize Curry.

With the rules back then, Curry wouldn't even score. He'd be hand checked and harassed the whole game. He's so used to playing pu55y ball right now he wouldn't know how to cope.

[egokiller]

Rodman shut down Shaq but we got wheels who never saw MJ era thinking Rodman couldn't shut down KD?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89IQcTPHkRs

GTFO.....:facepalm

"but...but..but.. they gotta chase Curry!"

Who the **** do you think was chasing reggie miller? The level of stupidity in this thread is analogous to people thinking they are actually watching real basketball during these current playoffs.

[sdot_thadon]

With the rules back then, Curry wouldn't even score. He'd be hand checked and harassed the whole game. He's so used to playing pu55y ball right now he wouldn't know how to cope.
How will they hand check someone who isn't playing with the ball? I i doubt Mj in 96 is chasing Curry all game, they'll delegate that to Harper. The Warriors would have it just as hard playing with 90s rules as the Bulls would have playing with these rules. Almost like an additional homecourt advantage.....

[eurobum]

Imagine just one summer of MJ wholly working on his three point shot only, holyyyyyyy

[Phoenix]

Biggest issue for the 96 Bulls is not having a 2nd *consistent* 20ppg scorer to have any chance of negating the Warriors obvious advantage in scoring options. MJ will get his numbers but it's one guy going off for 30-40 at any given moment versus 2 guys who can drop that on any given night, and then you got Klay who can drop 60 off 5 dribbles if the stars align correctly at any given moment. Scottie wasn't very good offensively in the playoffs any year after 95. It's a math issue with these two teams.

I'd actually take the first 3peat Bulls if I were setting up this matchup. People are going off 'record' here and pointing to the 96 Bulls, but the 92 or 93 Bulls featured prime MJ and Pip who would be better at harassing the backcourt and have the energy levels on offense. Scottie was a better scorer in the first 3peat. You're giving up rebounding with Rodman but you're doubling point production at the PF spot and Grant was more mobile than 96-98 Rodman. When people say 'put Rodman on KD', they're assuming Bulls Rodman and Detroit Rodman were one and the same. They aren't; Detroit Rodman was leaner and faster, and better equipped to defend KD. Bulls Rodman was a little bulker, still athletic but he was down there defending Shaq, Mourning, Rodman, Barkley down low. I don't know what they do with Cartwright. He was pretty much a lamp-post out there.

It goes without saying that 'whose rules are we playing under' will play heavy influence one way or another. In the 2010s the Warriors are built for the 3ball era with the requisite space and slack defensive rules to unimpede movement. If it's 90's rules and the Bulls can rough em up a bit then it becomes more interesting.

[Big164]

Rodman isn't stopping KD from scoring lmaaaao

Also this ya father's 3pt shooters from the 90's we talking about...MJ and Pippen gotta chase Curry if they wanna stop him

Cousins roasting Longley too, BBQ chicken.
KD cant even handle milineal defenders talking smack without getting a tech. Rodman would get in his ass like no other.

Btw Klay was 1/6 from 3 this weekend vs the Clippers...the clippers! Put the two most athletic perimeter defenders of all time on him in MJ/Pippen and Klay would be a nub on Offense.