Playoffs MVP instead of Finals MVP results

[TheCorporation]

If the NBA were to award a "Playoff MVP" instead of the Finals MVP, then based on win shares (the obvious metric to use in this instance) this would be the results:

1980: Kareem (3.3)
1981: M. Malone (3.5)
1982: J. Erving (3.0)
1983: M. Malone (2.8)
1984: L. Bird (4.7)
1985: Magic (3.0)
1986: L. Bird (4.2)
1987: Magic (3.7)
1988: Magic (4.0)
1989: Jordan (4.0)
1990: Jordan (4.0)
1991: Jordan (4.8)
1992: Jordan (4.1)
1993: Barkley (4.6)
1994: Hakeem (4.3)
1995: Shaq (3.0)
1996: Jordan (4.7)
1997: Jordan (3.9)
1998: Jordan (4.8)
1999: Duncan (3.7)
2000: Shaq (4.7)
2001: Kobe (3.8)
2002: Shaq (3.8)
2003: Duncan (5.9)
2004: Shaq (3.9)
2005: Billups (4.6)
2006: Dirk (5.4)
2007: James (3.7)
2008: Garnett (4.1)
2009: Gasol (4.3)
2010: James (3.8)
2011: James (5.8)
2012: James (5.2)
2013: James (4.3)
2015: Curry (3.9)
2016: James (4.7)
2017: James (4.3)
2018: James (5.2)
2019: ?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/

Some interesting things happen.

Kobe beats Shaq in 2002 but loses to Gasol in 2009 so he still ends up with 2 Playoff/FMVPs. Shaq wins it in 1995 and 2004 but loses in 2002 as previously mentioned. Jordan wins it in 1989 and 1990 but loses it to Barkley in 1993 for 7 total.

Most playoff MVPs

James: 8
Jordan: 7


Shaq: 4
Magic: 3


Kobe: 2
Duncan: 2
Bird: 2
M. Malone: 2


Kareem: 1
Billups: 1
Dirk: 1
Curry: 1
Gasol: 1
Garnett: 1
Hakeem: 1
J. Erving: 1
Barkley: 1

Most consecutive Playoff MVPs: James and Jordan with 4


Highest WS for a single playoff run, in order:
2003 Duncan: 5.9
2012 James: 5.8
2006 Dirk: 5.4
2013 James: 5.2
2018 James: 5.2
1998 Jordan: 4.8
1991: Jordan 4.8

*5 tied at 4.7
2000 Shaq: 4.7
2002 Shaq: 4.7
1984 Bird: 4.7
1996 Jordan: 4.7
2016 James: 4.7

*Just missed the top 10
1993 Barkley: 4.6
2005 Billups: 4.6

What do you guys think? Is this more accurate? Does anything surprise you? What surprised me most was Billups in 2005, Kobe in 2002, and Dirk in 2006

[3ball]

Not a good metric because win shares is tied to the number of games played

So lebron's penchant for letting weak teams take him to the brink boosts his win share

Otoh, win share per 48 measures the same thing as win shares but on a 48 minute basis

So you should do the same thing but for ws/48 instead

[LAmbruh]

More breath taking data from The Corp :applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

Ones that are obviously wrong

1993
1995
2005
2009
2010
2011

Others that are either wrong, or at least definitely debatable

1981
1982
2001
2004
2006
2007
2008
2015

[305Baller]

Ooh a past-prime Dr.J still led in win shares in 82? Stellar.

[TheCorporation]

Not a good metric because win shares is tied to the number of games played

So lebron's penchant for letting weak teams take him to the brink boosts his win share

Otoh, win share per 48 measures the same thing as win shares but on a 48 minute basis

So you should do the same thing but for ws/48 instead

I was waiting for you to say this...I already did this and the results are horrible

https://i.postimg.cc/hvLKQyRc/ws-per-48-post-season.png

[TheCorporation]

Ooh a past-prime Dr.J still led in win shares in 82? Stellar.

Yeah I thought it was interesting.

Gasol beat Kobe in 2009 but Kobe beat Shaq in 2002 :eek:

Curry won in 2015 :eek:
Garnett won in 2008 :eek:
James won in 2011 :eek:

[3ball]

You can't win playoff MVP if you played worse in the championship than any #1 option ever has

22 on 36%

Yet each game was a single-digit affair, where the last 3 games could've gone either way (edit: game 1 was an 11-point game).

The Cavs defense is kept them in it, but they needed a great volume scorer to win
.

[TheCorporation]

More breath taking data from The Corp :applause:

Thanks my G :cheers:

[TheCorporation]

You can't win playoff MVP if you played worse in the championship than any #1 option ever has

22 on 36%

Yet each game was a single-digit affair, where the last 3 games could've gone either way (edit: game 1 was an 11-point game).

The Cavs defense is kept them in it, but they needed a great volume scorer to win
.

22 on 36% sounds awfully similar to 26 on 41% so let's not get too picky :lol

Is that your gripe? Shit man, no one metric is "perfect" but I will say this is pretty damn good if we are trying to crown a Playoff MVP.

[SouBeachTalents]

You can't win playoff MVP if you played worse in the championship than any #1 option ever has

22 on 36%

Yet each game was a single-digit affair, where the last 3 games could've gone either way (edit: game 1 was an 11-point game).

The Cavs defense is kept them in it, but they needed a great volume scorer to win
.
Really, Game 2 could've gone "either way" where Cleveland trailed by 27 entering the 4th and never got within 8 points the entire game :lol

[3ball]

22 on 36% sounds awfully similar to 26 on 41% so let's not get too picky :lol

Is that your gripe? Shit man, no one metric is "perfect" but I will say this is pretty damn good if we are trying to crown a Playoff MVP.
It's not a horrible metric, but it doesn't work for 07' and other years that's all

And Lebron won with 25 on 44.7% with his best team (13' heat), while MJ won with 27 on 41.7 with his 96 bulls..

So it's about the same, except MJ ended the series with a 3-0 lead before he had any bad games, while lebron got 16 on 39% thru 3 games and needed ray to force game 7.. the bulls would be down 0-3 in every Finals if MJ averaged 16 on 39%

[TheCorporation]

It's not a horrible metric, but it doesn't work for 07' and other years that's all

And Lebron won with 25 on 44.7% with his best team (13' heat), while MJ won with 27 on 41.7 with his 96 bulls..

So it's about the same, except MJ ended the series with a 3-0 lead before he had any bad games, while lebron got 16 on 39% thru 3 games and needed ray to force game 7.. the bulls would be down 0-3 in every Finals if MJ averaged 16 on 39%

Um cool, LeBron's still better :lol We'll even give 2007 to Duncan. James still has 7 to Jordan's 7. Sheesh man...

[LAmbruh]

Um cool, LeBron's still better :lol We'll even give 2007 to Duncan. James still has 7 to Jordan's 7. Sheesh man...
don't do em like that troseee :banana:

[3ball]

Um cool, LeBron's still better :lol We'll even give 2007 to Duncan. James still has 7 to Jordan's 7. Sheesh man...
No James has 8 win share titles

It's just not a proxy for MVP since lebron sucked in 07' and 11 Finals.. in the end, stats gonna stat pad, even with win shares

Those Finals nullify his stats those years

[TheCorporation]

No James has 8 win share titles

It's just not a proxy for MVP since lebron sucked in 07' and 11 Finals.. in the end, stats gonna stat pad, even with win shares

Those Finals nullify his stats those years

By the way, is this you?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3orieP104v7zSDaYms/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0G18VkBYupF9ja36/giphy.gif

"Luhh Bron Jaaaaaaame--Luhh Bronnnnnn Jaaaaaaames"

[3ball]

11 Finals = goat choke

07' Finals = brokest jumper ever... Except the 15' Finals was worse

lebron is the worst shooter out of Kobe, MJ and lebron.. and it's not close.. lower efg on his jumpers at much lower volume

[TheCorporation]

11 Finals = goat choke

07' Finals = brokest jumper ever... Except the 15' Finals was worse

lebron is the worst shooter out of Kobe, MJ and lebron.. and it's not close.. lower efg on his jumpers at much lower volume

What are you doing? Do I need to bump some threads again :lol

Jordan was the least efficient FMVP winner ALL TIME

He was a major choke artist but got lucky he was facing bigger trash cans than him.

[3ball]

What are you doing? Do I need to bump some threads again :lol

Jordan was the least efficient FMVP winner ALL TIME

He was a major choke artist but got lucky he was facing bigger trash cans than him.
Lebron was a net negative fmvp

Lebron never hit the big shot and was fmvp

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for 3 games and was fmvp


Oh, and lebron had worst-ever Finals efficiency in 07 and 15', which is why he lost those series. If he shoots 50%, he wins both easily.. :confusedshrug:..

the Warriors loved him taking those iso's at 39% a pop.. that BENEFITTED them, hence no doubles

[TheCorporation]

Lebron was a net negative fmvp

Lebron never hit the big shot and was fmvp

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for 3 games and was fmvp


Oh, and lebron had worst-ever Finals efficiency in 07 and 15', which is why he lost those series. If he shoots 50%, he wins both easily.. :confusedshrug:..

the Warriors loved him taking those iso's at 39% a pop.. that BENEFITTED them, hence no doubles

Of the 50 FMVP Jordan was ranked...

49th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in assists
45th of 50 in rebounds

Not my goat :no:

The worst Finals performances we've seen from a "winner" means he was facing some true trash can teams :lol

[3ball]

Of the 50 FMVP Jordan was ranked...

49th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in assists
45th of 50 in rebounds

Not my goat :no:

The worst Finals performances we've seen from a "winner" means he was facing some true trash can teams :lol
You left out scoring, the most important category

MJ's scoring was always goat.

And he was a 1-man show on offense by scoring 10-20 more than his 2 d option for every Finals, while lebron needed an equal scoring partner to win the Finals (only 2-5 more than 2nd option).. and he needed a closer

[TheCorporation]

You left out scoring, the most important category

MJ's scoring was always goat.

And he was a 1-man show on offense by scoring 10-20 more than his 2 d option for every Finals, while lebron needed an equal scoring partner to win the Finals (only 2-5 more than 2nd option).. and he needed a closer

What does equal mean to you? Significantly less? :lol

Follow-up question/comment: And LeBron was a 1-man show on offense by scoring, rebounding and assisting more than his 2nd option for every Finals, while Jordan needed a higher achieving rebound/assist partner to win the Finals (only 2-5 more than 2nd option) :D See how easy that was?

Next

[3ball]

Of the 50 FMVP Jordan was ranked...

49th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in assists
45th of 50 in rebounds

Not my goat :no:

The worst Finals performances we've seen from a "winner" means he was facing some true trash can teams :lol
lebron had worst-ever Finals efficiency in 07 and 15', which is why he lost those series. If he shoots 50%, he wins both easily.. ..

the Warriors loved him taking those iso's at 39% a pop.. that BENEFITTED them, hence no doubles

[TheCorporation]

Of the 50 FMVP Jordan was ranked...

49th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in FG%
47th of 50 in assists
45th of 50 in rebounds

Not my goat :no:

The worst Finals performances we've seen from a "winner" means he was facing some true trash can teams :lol

Anyone?

[3ball]

Anyone?
goat scoring AND goat teamwork, goat clutch, goat D

The things that matter

Lebron can't reach mj's level in these areas, so he stat pads less important areas and loses

[TheCorporation]

goat scoring AND goat teamwork, goat clutch, goat D

The things that matter

Lebron can't reach mj's level in these areas, so he stat pads less important areas and loses

LeBron = better scorer, rebounder, passer, defender, more efficient, more impactful

Jordan = better...dunking?

[3ball]

LeBron = better scorer, rebounder, passer, defender, more efficient, more impactful

Jordan = better...dunking?
It's funny because MJ is better at everything you listed

even rebounding.. MJ would be like westbrook in today's spaced-out game, except a much better shooter

[TheCorporation]

It's funny because MJ is better at everything you listed

even rebounding.. MJ would be like westbrook in today's spaced-out game, except a much better shooter

Did you miss this mega ether thread?


This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[iamgine]

I'm not sure win share is a good be-all metric. For example, in 2001 playoff, Allen Iverson had about the same WS as Derek Fisher despite Iverson playing more games and much more crucial to his team.

[Gileraracer]

Not a good metric because win shares is tied to the number of games played

So lebron's penchant for letting weak teams take him to the brink boosts his win share

Otoh, win share per 48 measures the same thing as win shares but on a 48 minute basis

So you should do the same thing but for ws/48 instead

Immediately ended this bullshit :lol

[kennethgriffen]

lol@ lebron being more valuable in the 2009 playoffs than kobe


the guy that lost to dwight

:lol

[kennethgriffen]

oh yeah and lol@ gasol being more valuable than kobe


every point and assist the guy ever got was off a kobe double team

[SpaceJam2]

lol@ lebron being more valuable in the 2009 playoffs than kobe


the guy that lost to dwight

:lol

2009 was a big year for Lebron James in the playoffs but obviously you don't know these things.

He had the highest all-time PER and WS/48 in NBA history among players that played at least three rounds. Look it up. You're welcome. Gasol edged Kobe too so stay woke newbie.

[SpaceJam2]

oh yeah and lol@ gasol being more valuable than kobe


every point and assist the guy ever got was off a kobe double team

But you're okay with Kobe being more valuable than Shaq in 2002 right? :lol

[3ball]

2009 was a big year for Lebron James in the playoffs but obviously you don't know these things.

He had the highest all-time PER and WS/48 in NBA history among players that played at least three rounds. Look it up. You're welcome. Gasol edged Kobe too so stay woke newbie.


If lebron lost to a strong cast than it's not that bad. But if you lose to a weak team, it's a 100% stat pad

Lebron lost to a weak team!!

Lebron lost to a weak cast so it was the goat stat pad

His team had to play a worse brand than Dwight Howard's team for lebron to get those stats
.

[StrongLurk]

MJ is GOAT no matter how you slice it OP.

[3ball]

Why was Lebron's 2-star cast crushed in 17', but Harden 1-star cast almost won in 18?

Apparently, lebron's team underachieved and wasn't hopelessly outmatched like everyone said

Ultimately, lebron doesn't get knocked for his team underachieving, whether it's losing as the favorite from 09-11, missing the playoffs in 05' with an all-star center, underperforming harden's squad against these warriors, or record blowout in 14' despite even odds and 3 HOF teammates

[ImKobe]

OP took all this time to write up his post, only to prove he's retarded.

"Kobe beats Shaq in 2002 but loses to Gasol in 2009 so he still ends up with 2 Playoff/FMVPs." Nikka he beat him out in 2001 and doesn't have a single other one on the list, you can't even take the time to look over your own post and realize how ****ing stupid you are.

This thread is dumb to being with (since players can and have had more games played than those on the actual winning team, thus higher winshares, e.g a player who doesn't make the Finals but goes 7 games in every series prior to it).

[SpaceJam2]

OP took all this time to write up his post, only to prove he's retarded.

"Kobe beats Shaq in 2002 but loses to Gasol in 2009 so he still ends up with 2 Playoff/FMVPs." Nikka he beat him out in 2001 and doesn't have a single other one on the list, you can't even take the time to look over your own post and realize how ****ing stupid you are.

This thread is dumb to being with (since players can and have had more games played than those on the actual winning team, thus higher winshares, e.g a player who doesn't make the Finals but goes 7 games in every series prior to it).

Meltdown

[ImKobe]

Meltdown

Just showing you why Lebron stans should never be taken seriously. They can research winshares for hours and not come up with an accurate post.

[SpaceJam2]

Just showing you why Lebron stans should never be taken seriously. They can research winshares for hours and not come up with an accurate post.

Being a Kobe fan MUST be tough :(

Are you okay?

[ImKobe]

Being a Kobe fan MUST be tough :(

Are you okay?

Can you come up with a better thread than this?

[SpaceJam2]

Can you come up with a better thread than this?

Challenge accepted

[kennethgriffen]

But you're okay with Kobe being more valuable than Shaq in 2002 right? :lol




gasol didn't average 29ppg. he averaged 19ppg



when you're the top defender and top playmaker while averaging the same points.. you're the top player period


especially when you're driving and spoon feeding both bigs

[aj1987]

gasol didn't average 29ppg. he averaged 19ppg

when you're the top defender and top playmaker while averaging the same points.. you're the top player period


especially when you're driving and spoon feeding both bigs
And yet, you think Kyrie was the '16 FMVP, you *** guzzling retard. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

And yet, you think Kyrie was the '16 FMVP, you *** guzzling retard. :oldlol:

Wrekt :eek:

[tanibanana]

Great research

[kennethgriffen]

And yet, you think Kyrie was the '16 FMVP, you *** guzzling retard. :oldlol:


and if lebron


a) played defense

b) didnt actually make his team worse taking guys out of their position and spoon fed bigs down low instead of for kick out 3s

c) didnt need kyrie to carry him when the scores were close during the first 3 games

d) didnt need need kyrie to bail him out with a title winning 3

e) didnt only truly win because he called adam silver and got draymond suspended



then i'd give it up to the guy. lebron was obviously the best "player"... but in that rigged series it was kyrie stepping up

lebron was just a front running stat padder with phoney near triple double averages.. lebron never learned how to truly make other stars better. kobe always did that. the only star to thrive with lebron WAS irving. and thats because kyries stats all come off his own isolation/creation. so he actually can get to his spots


























































woops

[TheCorporation]

and if lebron


a) played defense

b) didnt actually make his team worse taking guys out of their position and spoon fed bigs down low instead of for kick out 3s

c) didnt need kyrie to carry him when the scores were close during the first 3 games

d) didnt need need kyrie to bail him out with a title winning 3

e) didnt only truly win because he called adam silver and got draymond suspended



then i'd give it up to the guy. lebron was obviously the best "player"... but in that rigged series it was kyrie stepping up

lebron was just a front running stat padder with phoney near triple double averages.. lebron never learned how to truly make other stars better. kobe always did that. the only star to thrive with lebron WAS irving. and thats because kyries stats all come off his own isolation/creation. so he actually can get to his spots


























































woops

https://i.postimg.cc/FK2y1s4t/Kobe12yant.jpg

[TheCorporation]

*UPDATE*

If the NBA were to award a "Playoff MVP" instead of a Finals MVP based on win shares, this would be the results for each playoff year:

1980: Kareem (3.3)
1981: M. Malone (3.5)
1982: J. Erving (3.0)
1983: M. Malone (2.8)
1984: L. Bird (4.7)
1985: Magic (3.0)
1986: L. Bird (4.2)
1987: Magic (3.7)
1988: Magic (4.0)
1989: Jordan (4.0)
1990: Jordan (4.0)
1991: Jordan (4.8)
1992: Jordan (4.1)
1993: Barkley (4.6)
1994: Hakeem (4.3)
1995: Shaq (3.0)
1996: Jordan (4.7)
1997: Jordan (3.9)
1998: Jordan (4.8)
1999: Duncan (3.7)
2000: Shaq (4.7)
2001: Kobe (3.8)
2002: Shaq (3.8)
2003: Duncan (5.9)
2004: Shaq (3.9)
2005: Billups (4.6)
2006: Dirk (5.4)
2007: James (3.7)
2008: Garnett (4.1)
2009: Gasol (4.3)
2010: James (3.8)
2011: James (5.8)
2012: James (5.2)
2013: James (4.3)
2015: Curry (3.9)
2016: James (4.7)
2017: James (4.3)
2018: James (5.2)
2019: ?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/

Some interesting things happen.

Kobe beats Shaq in 2001 but loses to Gasol in 2009 so he still ends up with 1 Playoff/FMVPs.

Shaq wins in 1995 and 2004 but loses in 2001, as previously mentioned.

Jordan wins in 1989 and 1990 but loses to Barkley in 1993.

Most playoff MVPs

James: 8
Jordan: 7

Shaq: 4
Magic: 3

Duncan: 2
Bird: 2
M. Malone: 2

Kareem: 1
Kobe: 1
Billups: 1
Dirk: 1
Curry: 1
Gasol: 1
Garnett: 1
Hakeem: 1
J. Erving: 1
Barkley: 1

Most consecutive Playoff MVPs: James and Jordan with 4


Takeaways

Since 1980 there have been 494 rings given out, (38 years * 13 players per roster) but only 7 players have ever lead in playoff win shares more than once in their career.

Think about that. Only 7.

James: 8
Jordan: 7
Shaq: 4
Magic: 3
Duncan: 2
Bird: 2
M. Malone: 2

Players that have lead playoffs in win shares back-to-back
James
Jordan
Magic

Players that have lead playoffs in win shares 3 or more consecutive times
James
Jordan

[SpaceJam2]

Takeaways

Since 1980 there have been 494 rings given out, (38 years * 13 players per roster) but only 7 players have ever lead in playoff win shares more than once in their career.

Think about that. Only 7.

James: 8
Jordan: 7
Shaq: 4
Magic: 3
Duncan: 2
Bird: 2
M. Malone: 2


:eek:

[aj1987]

and if lebron


a) played defense
He was by far the best defensive player from both teams and it's not particularly close. Also, are you trying to imply that Irving was better defensively? Go finish that gallon of bleach.


b) didnt actually make his team worse taking guys out of their position and spoon fed bigs down low instead of for kick out 3s
Tristan Thompson played a shit ton of minutes in those Finals. How many 3's did he attempt over the entire Finals? I'll wait.


c) didnt need kyrie to carry him when the scores were close during the first 3 games
Kyrie scored 18 points on 33% from the field and 14% from deep in the first two games, shit for brains. You should actually try watching games before talking about them. You and your inbred ilk (the Brick turds).

Game 3 was a massive blowout and it was never really close. Also, LeBron was better than Kyrie in G3. They closest they got to the Cavs was 7 points at almost the end of the 2nd. LeBron and JR killed the Warriors and put them away in Q3.


d) didnt need need kyrie to bail him out with a title winning 3
Wait, so when LeBron was hitting buzzer beating game winners (Kyrie's wasn't) with the scores tied, those are no pressure shots? When Kyrie hits a 3 with like a minute left and scores level, it was a title winning 3? FOH, you autistic shit. :oldlol:

Also, LeBron is the reason why the Cavs won that game. Dude had 11 points in the 4th Q (including 8 straight, when the Warriors took a 4 point lead late in the 4th Q and killed their momentum), the game saving block, and the game sealing FT.


e) didnt only truly win because he called adam silver and got draymond suspended
If we're going down that route, Brick would have ZERO titles without Shaq and ZERO FVMP's, Dude would be a glorified role player.

[egokiller]

Kobe was so boss he made Shaq leave AND still won 2 more. That was his personality.

Compare that to lebron who has a personality like KD that wants to milk a situation for all it

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=Straight_Retard]Kobe was so boss he made Shaq leave AND still won 2 more. That was his personality.

Compare that to lebron who has a personality like KD that wants to milk a situation for all it

[TheCorporation]

Takeaways

Since 1980 there have been 494 rings given out, (38 years * 13 players per roster) but only 7 players have ever lead in playoff win shares more than once in their career.

Think about that. Only 7.

LeBron: 8
Jordan: 7
Shaq: 4
Magic: 3
Duncan: 2
Bird: 2
M. Malone: 2

Players that have lead playoffs in win shares back-to-back
LeBron
Jordan
Magic

Players that have lead playoffs in win shares 3 or more consecutive times
LeBron
Jordan

The more you know

[TheCorporation]

If the NBA were to award a "Playoff MVP" instead of the Finals MVP based on win shares (the obvious metric to use in this instance), this would be the results:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/

Most Playoff MVPs

#1 ...LeBron: 8
#2 ...Jordan: 7
#3 ...Shaq: 4
#4 ...Magic: 3
#T-5 Kobe: 2
#T-5 Duncan: 2
#T-5 Bird: 2
#T-5 M. Malone: 2


#T-9 Kareem: 1
#T-9 Billups: 1
#T-9 Dirk: 1
#T-9 Curry: 1
#T-9 Gasol: 1
#T-9 Garnett: 1
#T-9 Hakeem: 1
#T-9 J. Erving: 1
#T-9 Barkley: 1

Does this look about right?

[TheCorporation]

GOAT carry?

#1 ...LeBron: 8 (+5 over FMVP count)
#2 ...Jordan: 7 (+1 over FMVP count)
#3 ...Shaq: 4 (+1 over FMVP count)
#4 ...Magic: 3 (even with FMVP count)
#T-5 Duncan: 2 (-1 to FMVP count)
#T-5 Bird: 2 (even with FMVP count)
#T-5 M. Malone: 2 (+1 with FMVP count)


#T-8 Kobe: 1 (-1 with FMVP count)
#T-8 Kareem: 1 (-1 with FMVP count)
#T-8 Billups: 1 (even with FMVP count)
#T-8 Dirk: 1 (even with FMVP count)
#T-8 Curry: 1 (+1 with FMVP count)
#T-8 Gasol: 1 (+1 with FMVP count)
#T-8 Garnett: 1 (+1 with FMVP count)
#T-8 Hakeem: 1 (-1 with FMVP count)
#T-8 J. Erving: 1 (+1 with FMVP count)
#T-8 Barkley: 1 (+1 with FMVP count)

Is it even close? :confusedshrug:

[GimmeThat]

you eliminated coaching, and players self-trust

A lot of money goes into the NCAA organization, and cuisine is a phrase for single serving

[TheCorporation]

you eliminated coaching, and players self-trust

A lot of money goes into the NCAA organization, and cuisine is a phrase for single serving

I can't hardly ever seem to understand what you are saying but I like your style. Keep it up my dude :cheers: :dancin

Plus it's refreshing to not have an anti LeBron comment from time-to-time.

[superduper]

oh yeah and lol@ gasol being more valuable than kobe


every point and assist the guy ever got was off a kobe double team

Sorry but since the boxscore doesn't show this it must not be true. We only know Excel spreadsheets and basketballreference

#LeFam :(

[TheCorporation]

Sorry but since the boxscore doesn't show this it must not be true. We only know Excel spreadsheets and basketballreference

#LeFam :(


WIN shares

Keep up

[Celtics 1825]

Still too early for this year but looks like it'd be coming down to Kawhi or KD for Playoffs MVP.

[Nikola_]

Isnt more playoff games = higher winshare?

[superduper]

Isnt more playoff games = higher winshare?

Bro.... we have an agenda to keep here. Be cool.

#LeFam :(

[TheCorporation]

Isnt more playoff games = higher winshare?
It's almost like if you advance deeper into the playoffs you get to play more games

[TheCorporation]

Still too early for this year but looks like it'd be coming down to Kawhi or KD for Playoffs MVP.

I have to agree. And they would deserve it no doubt.