9 minutes of LeBron's physical/athletic peak (2008/2009)

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baOz67em_Yg


Also peep JVG saying "the best player is without question LeBron James 1 Kobe Bryant 2" at the start of a game

[Dray n Klay]

Nobody had Kobe over LeBron since 2008.


And nobody had Kobe as the best in 2006 and 2007 when he was losing in the 1st round



Kobe was never the best player in the league

[eliteballer]

*Juiced Up physical peak.

[SpaceJam2]

Nobody had Kobe over LeBron since 2008.


And nobody had Kobe as the best in 2006 and 2007 when he was losing in the 1st round



Kobe was never the best player in the league

:eek:

[RRR3]

Elitemeltdown strikes again.



Post some more LeBron pics why don’t you? :oldlol:

[ronniec]

In about 5 years, OP posted 32827 times, and it is about 17 posts per day...

Damn, what a life

[TheCorporation]

In about 5 years, OP posted 32827 times, and it is about 17 posts per day...

Damn, what a life

Oh look a fake Celtics fan :lol

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[dazzer87]

In about 5 years, OP posted 32827 times, and it is about 17 posts per day...

Damn, what a life
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

I watched 3 plays - they were all transition so I turned it off

Lebron isn't as bad as Ben Simmons, but he isn't goat-level in the half court

And he only needed 28/8/7 to get 66 wins, so his cast and coaching was vastly underrated
.

[Dray n Klay]

I watched 3 plays - they were all transition so I turned it off

Lebron isn't as bad as Ben Simmons, but he isn't goat-level in the half court

And he only needed 28/8/7 to get 66 wins, so his cast and coaching was vastly underrated
.

And he only won 50 games last year averaging 28/9/9, and still made the Finals

[ImKobe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baOz67em_Yg


Also peep JVG saying "the best player is without question LeBron James 1 Kobe Bryant 2" at the start of a game

2009 Lebron:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv37ykpYk84

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Also peep JVG saying "the best player is without question LeBron James 1 Kobe Bryant 2" at the start of a game
Peep this my man:

https://youtu.be/RO9Ycr-1Urg

How was LeBron even the best that year is perplexing. His team won 62 games, pretty healthy throughout the year, had several players who were all-star caliber including a former MVP, a solid coach who has contributed to 2 dynasties (Spurs and Warriors), a team of role players who compliment bron ball, and home court locked up

Yet despite all of that and starting the series 2-1 they still lost to the Celtics. Don't get me wrong, that team was way better than their record indicated, they were fatigued/coasting but Cavs should have still won.

Game 5 at home with a 2-2 tie and this is it (http://https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201005110CLE.html)??

[scuzzy]

6-16 is humiliating, no surprise it was already a worldwide consensus in 2008

[3ball]

And he only won 50 games last year averaging 28/9/9, and still made the Finals


Lebron left Cleveland in 2010 because he couldn't make the Finals with a star-less cast like Dwight did in 09', or lebron in 07', or Kidd/AI from 01-03'

So he only carried soup cans to the Finals when everyone else was also doing it, and actually needed needed super-teams to make it from 11-17', and the best 2nd option in the conference to make it in 18'.. :confusedshrug: ..

Now carry on..

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron left Cleveland in 2010 because he couldn't make the Finals with a star-less cast like Dwight did in 09', or lebron in 07', or Kidd/AI from 01-03'

So he only carried soup cans to the Finals when everyone else was also doing it, and actually needed needed super-teams to make it from 11-17', and the best 2nd option in the conference to make it in 18'.. :confusedshrug: ..

Now carry on..

Why did the Cavs win 19 games this year.


Why didnt they win 55 games like the 1994 Bulls

[3ball]

Why did the Cavs win 19 games this year.


Why didnt they win 55 games like the 1994 Bulls
The 18' Cavs played weaker basketball than this year's Clippers, who are doing much better vs the Warriors than the Cavs record blowout last year

Otoh, the 94' bulls had developed the best brand of basketball and teamwork of the era, as required to build any dynasty

So the bulls had a the best brand of ball to fall back on, despite the loss of a great talent.. whereas the cavs were playing LeShit ball and couldn't stand the loss of a talent

[TheCorporation]

I watched 3 plays - they were all transition so I turned it off

Lebron isn't as bad as Ben Simmons, but he isn't goat-level in the half court

And he only needed 28/8/7 to get 66 wins, so his cast and coaching was vastly underrated
.


Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
LeBron = .491 (#1)
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448

3P%
LeBron = .332 (#1)
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321

TS%
LeBron = .579 (#1)
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541

[TheCorporation]

The 18' Cavs played weaker basketball than this year's Clippers, who are doing much better vs the Warriors than the Cavs record blowout last year

Otoh, the 94' bulls had developed the best brand of basketball and teamwork of the era, as required to build any dynasty

So the bulls had a the best brand of ball to fall back on, despite the loss of a great talent.. whereas the cavs were playing LeShit ball and couldn't stand the loss of a talent

Forget replacing Jordan with Carmello Anthony you can literally delete Jordan from a team and they only go down by 2 wins :lol

When Jordan left the Bulls
57 to 55 wins (2 win impact)

When Kyrie left the Cavs
51 to 50 wins (1 win impact)

Jordan is just a taller Irving, impact wise. Might get you a win or two at most.

[Sportal]

Watching this makes me excited for Zion. Can't wait.

[3ball]

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Too bad I can't add this to the OP, but here is some more information for your viewing pleasure:

Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
LeBron = .491
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448

3P%
LeBron = .332
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321

TS%
LeBron = .579
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541

:eek:

Um...Yikes
If a player shoots 20 times at 57-58% true shooting, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???.... :biggums:

MJ has the same shooting efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg

So MJ just did more.. :confusedshrug:

And again, the OP stats are career totals and based on games played (total points, vorp, win shares)... But MJ did more per game (ppg) on better overall efficiency per possession (118 offensive rating), with better "rate" stats that aren't biased by number of games played (PER, ws/48, usage)

[knicksman]

and then lost to Dwight. No wonder he has to form superteams coz thats all he got. Athleticism.

[scuzzy]

Watching this makes me excited for Zion. Can't wait.
:applause: :dancin

[Manny98]

I just came watching this too much GOATness

https://i.postimg.cc/3J9LM12d/tenor-2.gif

[SpaceJam2]

Forget replacing Jordan with Carmello Anthony you can literally delete Jordan from a team and they only go down by 2 wins :lol

When Jordan left the Bulls
57 to 55 wins (2 win impact)

When Kyrie left the Cavs
51 to 50 wins (1 win impact)

Jordan is just a taller Irving, impact wise. Might get you a win or two at most.

Anyone?

[ImKobe]

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4313495/meme_-_lebron_kobe.0.png

[3ball]

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4313495/meme_-_lebron_kobe.0.png
Exactly... :applause: ... And lebron's Cavs were favored to win the Finals right before the playoffs began:

https://www.thespread.com/nba-articles/041609-2009-nba-finals-odds-to-win-cleveland-cavaliers-54-favorites-to-win-nba-title


Ultimately, Lebron left Cleveland in 2010 because he couldn't lead a star-less cast to the Finals like Dwight in 09', or lebron in 07', or Kidd/AI from 01-03'

So he only carried soup cans to the Finals when everyone else was doing it, and actually needed needed super-teams to make it from 11-17', and the best 2nd option in the conference to make it in 18'..

[Celtics 1825]

Wish people could just enjoy the highlights without having to bring up other players :facepalm

Legendary stuff. Bron was an absolute beast that year.

[3ball]

Wish people could just enjoy the highlights without having to bring up other players :facepalm

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There's nothing wrong with bringing up the playoffs that year, where the Cavs were favored to win the Finals right before the playoffs began:

https://www.thespread.com/nba-articles/041609-2009-nba-finals-odds-to-win-cleveland-cavaliers-54-favorites-to-win-nba-title


But lebron's spot-up shooter approach wasn't a high brand of ball, so he couldn't elevate his team over Dwight

Ultimately, Lebron left Cleveland in 2010 because he couldn't lead a star-less cast to the Finals like Dwight in 09', or lebron in 07', or Kidd/AI from 01-03'

Indeed, he only carried soup cans to the Finals when everyone else was doing it, and actually needed needed super-teams to make it from 11-17', and the best 2nd option in the conference to make it in 18'.. and a very weak conference of course..
.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4313495/meme_-_lebron_kobe.0.png

the most respectable manner of coping with teammates not holding up their end of the bargain


in a moment of anger:

"I'm only one guy. I took Hedo [T

[3ball]

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]the most respectable manner of coping with teammates not holding up their end of the bargain


in a moment of anger:

"I'm only one guy. I took Hedo [T

[3ball]

Mo.. Williams.. 09':. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48
Rashard Lewis 09':. 18/6/3.. 58.0 ts.. 16.8 PER.. 0.160 ws/48


Lebron's spot-up shooter approach for teammates wasn't a high brand of ball, so he couldn't produce better basketball than Dwight - he couldn't elevate his team over Dwight

Ultimately, Lebron left Cleveland in 2010 because he couldn't lead a star-less cast to the Finals like Dwight in 09', or lebron in 07', or Kidd/AI from 01-03'

He only carried soup cans to the Finals when everyone else was doing it, and actually needed needed super-teams to make it from 11-17', and the best 2nd option in the conference to make it in 18'.. and a very weak conference of course..