JR Smith on 90's competition- "We can't even name Craig Ehlo's backup"

[LAmbruh]

"There were a lot of BUMS in that era"


https://youtu.be/o9dRShNxryQ?t=1214



:lebronamazed: :yaohappy:

[SpaceJam2]

"There were a lot of BUMS in that era"


https://youtu.be/o9dRShNxryQ?t=1214



:lebronamazed: :yaohappy:

Geeze bloodbath :applause:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Of course he doesn't remember Ehlo's back-up, he was 3. He doesn't remember Ehlo either for that matter, and doesn't even remember that he has a time out.

[SpaceJam2]

LeBron SF competition: Kawhi, Durant, Paul George

MJ SG competition: Drexler...Starks? Ehlo?

[Dray n Klay]

Jordan

[LAmbruh]

LeBron SF competition: Kawhi, Durant, Paul George

MJ SG competition: Drexler...Starks? Ehlo?
:no:

Jeff "The Beast" Hornacek

[Dray n Klay]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:

[SpaceJam2]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:


:eek:

[LAmbruh]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:
crazy how accurate that is

[TheCorporation]

:no:

Jeff "The Beast" Hornacek


The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg

[Dray n Klay]

The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg

Oh shiiiit :roll: :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Talking to yourself online is really creepy. Just saying.

[Big164]

Whats JR smiths take on NBA Timeouts?

[LostCause]

Talking to yourself online is really creepy. Just saying.

Lmao. Ouch

[TheCorporation]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:

:eek: :applause:

[LAmbruh]

"Bill Laimbeer could not make an NBA team today"

"John Salley could not make an NBA team today"


DAMN

:yaohappy:

[dazzer87]

Talking to yourself online is really creepy. Just saying.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

"Bill Laimbeer could not make an NBA team today"

"John Salley could not make an NBA team today"


DAMN

:yaohappy:

"At best they might be 10 or 11th guys in modern era, but they were STARTING in MJ's era. They don't have the skill to play in today's league."

Mic. drop.

[Manny98]

The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Craig Ehlo was a backup at the time in the only play JR Smith remembers of his career. The starters were Price, Ron Harper, and Larry Nance.

[Rico2016]

The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg

My goodness


:oldlol: :roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg

lmao, should be 20 but still :oldlol:

[Rico2016]

lmao, should be 20 but still :oldlol:

Jeff Hornacek was the 1998 Utah Jazz #2 option in the Finals and scored 10.7 ppg, which is what Michael Jordan is accustomed to :lol That's the level of "competition" he is used to :oldlol:

[kentatm]

he doesn't even remember that he has a time out.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2prtd8x.png

[scuzzy]

"There were a lot of BUMS in that era"


https://youtu.be/o9dRShNxryQ?t=1214



:lebronamazed: :yaohappy:
such emphasis on the word BUMS :oldlol:


90's are what we knew they were

[Bronbron23]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:
This guy is constantly proving how little he knows about the game. How do any of you take this guy seriously?

[Overdrive]

"There were a lot of BUMS in that era"




JR is a bum in this era. :lol

[scuzzy]

"do you have any idea what our guest today would do to Craig Ehlo"


:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Jeff Hornacek was the 1998 Utah Jazz #2 option in the Finals and scored 10.7 ppg, which is what Michael Jordan is accustomed to :lol That's the level of "competition" he is used to :oldlol:

no he wasnt :biggums:

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[Overdrive]

Jeff Hornacek was the 1998 Utah Jazz #2 option in the Finals and scored 10.7 ppg, which is what Michael Jordan is accustomed to :lol That's the level of "competition" he is used to :oldlol:

You're telling me Jordan had to score 33,5ppg to overcome a team with a 10ppg 2nd option? Damn Jordan's cast must've been shit.


"Bill Laimbeer could not make an NBA team today"

"John Salley could not make an NBA team today"


DAMN

:yaohappy:

Laimbeer would easily make the NBA. Gritty center, who doesn't demand the ball, but can shoot the 3? Perfect for this era.

Salley was a role player, they're interchangeable in any era.

[3ball]

ehlo WAS the backup

ron harper was the starter


Games started 1989

Harper - 82
Ehlo - 4


JR Smith represents the typical ignorance from today's era..

the reality is that most people only remember a couple replayed highlights of MJ like the shot over Ehlo or the switch hands shot - they don't really know anything about mj's career or how he played.. however, many of these same people call MJ the goat so they realize his greatness intuitively on some level..

[kennethgriffen]

ummm.. those cavs teams were stacked

- Craig Ehlo
- Mark Price
- Brad Daugherty
- Larry Nance
- Hot rod Williams
- Ron Harper
- Steve Kerr

[jstern]

Stupidity is high with that comment. The fact of the matter is that five year olds today are not going to remember most star players playing now, let alone average players, back up players.

I remember around ten years ago, a common narrative from the dumber teenage Kobe stans was that there were no super stars when Jordan played. Because their inexperience, limited IQ mind, they feel that the superstar of their time are going to be just as big and vivid of name in 40 years as they are to them now. From their very basic, limited perspective Carmelo Anthony and his whole career, style, is going to be known by all NBA fans. Because at their current point in life, he's always been known.

[Bronbron23]

"There were a lot of BUMS in that era"


https://youtu.be/o9dRShNxryQ?t=1214



:lebronamazed: :yaohappy:
Imagine using one of the dumbest nuckas ever as a reference for your argument :facepalm

[LAmbruh]

"do you have any idea what our guest today would do to Craig Ehlo"


:oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheCalmInsanity]

Of course he doesn't remember something from the 90's, he couldn't even remember the score of the game he was in when he ran out to half court

[Bronbron23]

"do you have any idea what our guest today would do to Craig Ehlo"


:oldlol:
Lol at you thinking anyone on here is better than any player ever from any era. Delusion at it's finest :facepalm

[Shaquille O'Neal]

[quote=Dray n Klay]Jordan

[Shaquille O'Neal]

This guy is constantly proving how little he knows about the game. How do any of you take this guy seriously?



He takes literally whatever a thinking person would do/say and just do the opposite. It's a rare level of full-retard. Putting him on ignore with the rest of the "wheels" alts.

[yeaaaman]

Wow is this for real? Why would average people know a backup player from 30 years ago? That's beyond idiotic, nobody's going to know who his backup was 30 years from now, and to be honest the only reason people will know who he is will because of social media memes of his historically idiotic blunder.

It's more embarrassing that a player who should technically be a historian of the game in order to improve their own game wouldn't know basketball history. From JR Smith that's not surprising

[SpaceJam2]

no he wasnt :biggums:

Right? It almost sounds like a laughable troll job, but no, it's actually facts.

1998 Utah Jazz Finals stats:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvWRjdgX/The-Beast98.png

[Overdrive]

Right? It almost sounds like a laughable troll job, but no, it's actually facts.

1998 Utah Jazz Finals stats:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvWRjdgX/The-Beast98.png

You're telling me Jordan had to score 33,5ppg to overcome a team with a 10ppg 2nd option? Damn Jordan's cast must've been shit.

[bullettooth]

Wheels still having a melt down? :lol

[LAmbruh]

bump :banana:

[Nowoco]

Wait, is it true that a team with Jeff Hornacek as second option swept a prime Shaq, Kobe and a stacked Lakers team? Wow, those Bulls must have been incredible to beat that team in 6 :applause:

[Bronbron23]

Right? It almost sounds like a laughable troll job, but no, it's actually facts.

1998 Utah Jazz Finals stats:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvWRjdgX/The-Beast98.png
So you see 2 guys who are pretty much equal in scoring but one guy is 4 times a better passer and you think the guy with way less assists is the second option? Do you even watch basketball or do you just come on here to troll?

[LAmbruh]

Right? It almost sounds like a laughable troll job, but no, it's actually facts.

1998 Utah Jazz Finals stats:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvWRjdgX/The-Beast98.png
90's toughest competition averaging 25% from deep, yikes


must have been brutal when Stern took away their little tikes 3pt line :oldlol:

[3ball]

90's toughest competition averaging 25% from deep, yikes :oldlol:
Hornacek led the 90' Suns to 55 wins and upset Magic's 1 seeded, all-star team in the wcsf (https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1990-nba-western-conference-semifinals-suns-vs-lakers.html)

In 1991, Hornacek led the Suns to another 55 wins while leading them in scoring

Hornacek was legit.... superior to Gordon Hayward.. hornacek led all perimeter wings in assists several years

[bigkingsfan]

Hornacek led the 90' Suns to 55 wins and upset Magic's 1 seeded, all-star team in the wcsf (https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1990-nba-western-conference-semifinals-suns-vs-lakers.html)

In 1991, Hornacek led the Suns to another 55 wins while leading them in scoring

Hornacek was legit.... superior to Gordon Hayward.. hornacek led all perimeter wings in assists several years
3rd best player on the team = led :oldlol:

[3ball]

3rd best player on the team = led :oldlol:
Gordon Hayward versus 8 seed Indiana - 12/5/2 on 49% (won)

Jeff Hornacek versus 1 seeded Lakers - 20/4/4 on 52% (won)


Again, Hornacek > Hayward

After beating Magic in 1990, Hornacek led the 91' Suns in scoring and to 55 wins... he also led all perimeter wings in assists several years

Btw, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other

[TheCorporation]

So you see 2 guys who are pretty much equal in scoring but one guy is 4 times a better passer and you think the guy with way less assists is the second option? Do you even watch basketball or do you just come on here to troll?

Wait..so you're saying MJ's 2nd option opponent wasn't 10.7 but 9.7 ?!!!

Are you sure you wanna do that? :lol

[TheCorporation]

Right? It almost sounds like a laughable troll job, but no, it's actually facts.

1998 Utah Jazz Finals stats:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvWRjdgX/The-Beast98.png
SHUT
IT
DOWN



https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[Xiengqichess]

He didn

[3ball]

SHUT
IT
DOWN



https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif
Hornacek was a really good player

You're just really really dumb and don't know anything about prior eras.. a flaming ignoramus and a clown

[bigkingsfan]

Gordon Hayward versus 8 seed Indiana - 12/5/2 on 49% (won)

Jeff Hornacek versus 1 seeded Lakers - 20/4/4 on 52% (won)


Again, Hornacek > Hayward

After beating Magic in 1990, Hornacek led the 91' Suns in scoring and to 55 wins... he also led all perimeter wings in assists several years

Btw, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other

This has nothing to do with


3rd best player on the team = led :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

Hornacek was a really good player

You're just really really dumb and don't know anything about prior eras.. a flaming ignoramus and a clown

10 point 7
Second option
Bye

[SpaceJam2]

SHUT
IT
DOWN



https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

Imagine LeBron James faces the Warriors and their second option Curry scored 10.7 ppg :lol and Klay scores 9.7 :lol

We roast Curry for his 25 ppg, but if he put up the "Hornacek special" a la 10.7 !? Shiiid

Just imagine it

[Bronbron23]

Wait..so you're saying MJ's 2nd option opponent wasn't 10.7 but 9.7 ?!!!

Are you sure you wanna do that? :lol
How many assists though? An assist is offence too you know.

[Bronbron23]

Imagine LeBron James faces the Warriors and their second option Curry scored 10.7 ppg :lol and Klay scores 9.7 :lol

We roast Curry for his 25 ppg, but if he put up the "Hornacek special" a la 10.7 !? Shiiid

Just imagine it
Imagine having no offence help what so ever and having to score almost 15-20 more points a game then your next best player to win the finals. Lebron only had to score 6 more than Wade and 2 more than Kyrie.

[3ball]

This has nothing to do with
Just informing you of the facts

You claimed Hornacek wasn't good. You were wrong obviously

A bonafide 20-point scorer and playmaker - the leading scorer on a 55-win team that destroyed Magic's dream team the prior year.. and he led all wings in assists at least 2 seasons

[HylianNightmare]

Smith doesn't strike me as a student of the game you know

[bigkingsfan]

Just informing you of the facts

You claimed Hornacek wasn't good. You were wrong obviously

A bonafide 20-point scorer and playmaker - the leading scorer on a 55-win team that destroyed Magic's dream team the prior year.. and he led all wings in assists at least 2 seasons
He didn't led that team, he was 3rd in scoring, why you lying? :roll:

He became the leading scorer two years after.

[scuzzy]

ITT insecure MJ stans fuming :lol

[3ball]

He didn't led that team, why you lying? :roll:


He led the team in scoring in 1991 when they won 55

In 1990, the trio of KJ, Chambers, and Hornacek all averaged 21 ppg against the Lakers

Both of those qualify as "leading" - legit, subjective arguments backed up by substance.. but you're free to argue something different

Ultimately, Hornacek was really good and the 90's west had goat parity

For example, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other

[tpols]

He led the team in scoring in 1991 when they won 55

In 1990, the trio of KJ, Chambers, and Hornacek all averaged 21 ppg against the Lakers

Both of those qualify as "leading" - legit, subjective arguments backed up by substance.. but you're free to argue something different

Ultimately, Hornacek was really good and the 90's west had goat parity

For example, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other


so MJ was pretty obviously in the weaker conference then poast pistons and celtics era...

so the west had to go through a gauntlet.

[bigkingsfan]

He led the team in scoring in 1991 when they won 55

In 1990, the trio of KJ, Chambers, and Hornacek all averaged 21 ppg against the Lakers

Both of those qualify as "leading" - legit, subjective arguments backed up by substance.. but you're free to argue something different

Ultimately, Hornacek was really good and the 90's west had goat parity

For example, the Suns were pretty stacked in 1990 and demolished Magic's 63-win all-star team and 1 seed ...... But then the blazers beat them in the WCF in 6 games!!.... So think how stacked the blazers were - indeed, they made the 90' Finals with Drexler at 18 ppg and 3rd option for the first 3 rounds...

The 90's west had super-parity with 4 to 5 Spurs-level teams that took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors).. parity means lower net ratings too for those teams since they're beating up on each other
Leading scorer of one series out of a 82 game season doesn't make you a leader baby boy. He was the clear 3rd option of that team with KJ and Chambers taking more shots in that series.

[3ball]

Leading scorer of one series out of a 82 game season doesn't make you a leader baby boy. He was the clear 3rd option of that team with KJ and Chambers taking more shots in that series.
Hornacek scored the most per 100 possessions in that series versus the lakers

So he led the Suns on a per possession basis

And he was the leading scorer on the 55 win team in 1991 - they got beat by Stockton/Malone in the 1st round

That's how much parity there was - a team that crushed magic's 1 seed in 1990 gets beat by Stockton in the 1st round in 1991... :facepalm

Again, teams in the stacked West took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors)..

[Rico2016]

Imagine having no offence help what so ever and having to score almost 15-20 more points a game then your next best player to win the finals. Lebron only had to score 6 more than Wade and 2 more than Kyrie.

Yeah and was his opponent's second and third option dropping a blistering 9 and 10 points per game?

... :rolleyes:

[bigkingsfan]

Hornacek scored the most per 100 possessions in that series versus the lakers

So he led the Suns on a per possession basis

And he was the leading scorer on the 55 win team in 1991 - they got beat by Stockton/Malone in the 1st round

That's how much parity there was - a team that crushed magic's 1 seed in 1990 gets beat by Stockton in the 1st round in 1991... :facepalm

Again, teams in the stacked West took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. it's harder to win with many teams having equal talent (parity), than 2 teams having all the talent (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors)..
Was Cedric Maxwell and McHale the leader of the Celtics because they led per 100 possessions in a couple series?

[3ball]

Was Cedric Maxwell and McHale the leader of the Celtics because they led per 100 possessions in a couple series?
3 guys averaged 21 ppg versus the Lakers

Take your pick who the leader was

Hornacek led in per possession scoring and was a catalyst of sorts, so I go with him.. you're free to go with whoever you want though

[Rico2016]

Was Cedric Maxwell and McHale the leader of the Celtics because they led per 100 possessions in a couple series?

:oldlol:

I swear this 3ball dude is always making up random restrictions and very specific detailed slices of data to prove a point.

Person: LeBron scored more points than Jordan on less shots

3ball: Yes, but in 1995 when he played Shaq in games 1 and 2 MJ scored 80 points with one all-star which was more than LeBron in 2015 when he had two all-starts in game 1 and 2 against a lesser center (Andrew Bogut).

Me reading it: :wtf:

[bigkingsfan]

3 guys averaged 21 ppg versus the Lakers

Take your pick who the leader was

Hornacek led in per possession scoring and was a catalyst of sorts, so I go with him.. you're free to go with whoever you want though
Wrong, two guys averaged 22 and one averaged 21. Damn, you can't even get the most simple things correct.

[3ball]

Yeah and was his opponent's second and third option dropping a blistering 9 and 10 points per game?

... :rolleyes:
It's interesting because in 1997, Stockton and Hornacek both averaged between 16-20 while beating Shaq's Lakers and Hakeem's Rockets in the playoffs

But in 1998, Stockton/Hornacek only averaged 10-12 while sweeping Shaq and Duncan/Popovich.. the jazz had 5 other guys over 8 ppg in addition to Stockton/Hornacek and also 30 ppg Malone (Malone was goat-level in the 98' Playoffs)...
.

[bullettooth]

It's interesting because in 1997, Stockton and Hornacek both averaged between 16-20 while beating Shaq's Lakers and Hakeem's Rockets in the playoffs

But in 1998, Stockton/Hornacek only averaged 10-12 while sweeping Shaq and Duncan/Popovich.. the jazz had 5 other guys over 8 ppg in addition to Stockton/Hornacek and 30 ppg Malone (Malone was goat-level in the 98' Playoffs)

That sounds a lot like getting Wade and Bosh or Kyrie and Love and still losing.... multiple times. :lol

[scuzzy]

ITT Jordan stans melting HARD

[SpaceJam2]

:oldlol:

I swear this 3ball dude is always making up random restrictions and very specific detailed slices of data to prove a point.

Person: LeBron scored more points than Jordan on less shots

3ball: Yes, but in 1995 when he played Shaq in games 1 and 2 MJ scored 80 points with one all-star which was more than LeBron in 2015 when he had two all-starts in game 1 and 2 against a lesser center (Andrew Bogut).

Me reading it: :wtf:

https://i.postimg.cc/x16S2qMb/giphy.gif

[3ball]

:oldlol:

LeBron scored more points than Jordan on less shots


both Lebron and MJ shot 57-58% true shooting in the playoffs, so why not shoot and score more at that efficiency like MJ did????..

mj simply DID MORE - more scoring at the same efficiency - MJ actually had better overall efficiency per possession (ORtg, aka offensive rating)

Ultimately, Lebron has better career totals and MJ did more per game (5 more ppg on equal or better efficiency)

[SpaceJam2]

both Lebron and MJ shot 57-58% true shooting in the playoffs, so why not shoot and score more at that efficiency like MJ did????..

mj simply DID MORE - more scoring at the same efficiency - MJ actually had better overall efficiency per possession (ORtg, aka offensive rating)

Ultimately, Lebron has better career totals and MJ did more per game (5 more ppg on equal or better efficiency)

LeBron has a better DRtg and a lower USG% and yet still scored MORE points on LESS shots, eclipsing Jordan's once #1 all-time spot :(

Baby boy

And a higher FG%, eFG%, TS% and WS, DBPM and BPM...Do we need to do this dance again? :lol You'll lose every time

[3ball]

LeBron has a better DRtg and a lower USG% and yet still scored MORE points on LESS shots, eclipsing Jordan's once #1 all-time spot :(

Baby boy
Here's how the creators of the stats say they should be used:

MJ finished more possessions (usage) at higher efficiency per possession (ortg)

So you're just throwing stuff together that makes no sense and I'm using the stats the way they're supposed to

But carry on.. its fun crushing you

[SpaceJam2]

Here's how the creators of the stats say they should be used:

MJ finished more possessions (usage) at higher efficiency per possession (ortg)

So you're just throwing stuff together that makes no sense and I'm using the stats the way they're supposed to

But carry on.. its fun crushing you

LeBron has a better DRtg and a lower USG% and yet still scored MORE points on LESS shots, eclipsing Jordan's once #1 all-time spot :(

Baby boy

And a higher FG%, eFG%, TS% and WS, DBPM and BPM...Do we need to do this dance again? :lol You'll lose every time.

More points? Bron
More game winners? Bron
Higher elim game ppg? Bron
Better competition? Bron
More steals? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More efficient scorer? Bron
More rebounds? Bron
More steals? Bron
More assists? Bron

Better free throw shooter? Jordan :(
Faced more soup cans? Jordan

[3ball]

WOOOOO! :banana:
- leads in the stats that matter:.. PPG, PER, WS/48, USAGE, ORTG, OREB, SPG, FT%. lower TO's

- most MVP's ever (11)

- #1 all-time championship frequency since the ABA merger (6 in 15 yrs.. 40.0%.. it's really 6 in 11)

- best raw stats (only MJ averaged 30/5/5 for career; 10 scoring titles and the best ppg and offensive efficiency of any goat-level wing)

- best advanced stats (only MJ is top 2 in PER, bpm, vorp, ws/48, and he set the plus-minus record in 96')

- most seasons with 1st team all-nba and 1st team defense (9 seasons.. and they were consecutive, so the highest frequency of 1st team awards - 19 in 10 seasons)

- never carried (only guy that was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series, and MJ led by average margin of 15.4 ppg over 2nd option)

- only player that never lost with a squad (1 or 2 seed), aka most unbeatable player, aka goat (kareem/lebron/magic, etc lost 6+ times each with 1 or 2 seeds; MJ was 6-0)

- only player to win multiple rings with just 1 all-star, except Kobe (Pau), Shaq (who had Kobe), and hakeem (when MJ was out of league)

- best winning stats ever - 33.7 ppg and 6.6 apg in 91-93' PO (27.2 and 7.2 for lebron in 12/13/16' PO)

- Best losing stats ever - 44 ppg against champion 86' celtics and their #1 defense

- highest gamescores for Finals series ever (all wins); highest gamescore ever for a non-winning series against a goat team (30.6 gamescore vs 86' boston, including a 47 gamescore in game 2, the highest single gamescore ever)

[LAmbruh]

LeBron has a better DRtg and a lower USG% and yet still scored MORE points on LESS shots, eclipsing Jordan's once #1 all-time spot :(

Baby boy

And a higher FG%, eFG%, TS% and WS, DBPM and BPM...Do we need to do this dance again? :lol You'll lose every time.

More points? Bron
More game winners? Bron
Higher elim game ppg? Bron
Better competition? Bron
More steals? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More efficient scorer? Bron
More rebounds? Bron
More steals? Bron
More assists? Bron

Better free throw shooter? Jordan :(
Faced more soup cans? Jordan
Damn :banana:

[wang4three]

I'd be surprised if JR Smith could remember his teammates from last season.

[3ball]

I'd be surprised if JR Smith could remember his teammates from last season.
Was he joking?

because Ehlo was the backup..

Ron Harper started 82 games the year MJ hit "the shot" over Ehlo

[SpaceJam2]

Damn :banana:

MJ fans in shambles


https://i.postimg.cc/jdgkyVFR/MJyikes.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0fpCffD/Lebron-James_large_opt.gif

[scuzzy]

Was he joking?

because Ehlo was the backup..

Ron Harper started 82 games the year MJ hit "the shot" over Ehlo

nope :lol

MJ dropped 69 on Cavs in 1990, when Ehlo was the starter

Harper? played 9 games that season

your too busy riffling to copy/paste, with zero context on the topic :lol

[3ball]

nope :lol

MJ dropped 69 on Cavs in 1990, when Ehlo was the starter

Harper? played 9 games that season

your too busy riffling to copy/paste, with zero context on the topic :lol
You guys are liars and deny the truth

Ron Harper was the starter when MJ faced the Cavs in the 88' Playoffs and 89' Playoffs

Harper was the starter and a budding star from 87-89', but got hurt in 1990

And Gerald Wilkins was the starter In 1993 when the bulls faced the Cavs again in the playoffs.. Ehlo only started in 1992 playoffs, so that's 1 out of 4 years that MJ faced the Cavs in the playoffs

[scuzzy]

You guys are liars and deny the truth

Ron Harper was the starter when MJ faced the Cavs in the 88' Playoffs and 89' Playoffs

Harper was the starter and a budding star from 87-89', but got hurt in 1990

And Gerald Wilkins was the starter In 1993 when the bulls faced the Cavs again in the playoffs.. Ehlo only started in 1992 playoffs, so that's 1 out of 4 years that MJ faced the Cavs in the playoffs
OP's video discussion is on Jordans 69 point game vs Ehlo in 1990 :hammerhead:

The game and Ehlo starting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6BoEG4qf14) :oldlol:



https://media1.giphy.com/media/3og0IMJcSI8p6hYQXS/giphy.gif

[LAmbruh]

OP's video discussion is on Jordans 69 point game vs Ehlo in 1990 :hammerhead:

The game and Ehlo starting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6BoEG4qf14) :oldlol:



https://media1.giphy.com/media/3og0IMJcSI8p6hYQXS/giphy.gif
video: 1990 highlights of MJ

comments: stanly's FUMING about Lebron


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bawkish]

can't understand why 3ball still wasting time with this kind of crap

to quote my favorite TV character: “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.”

[LAmbruh]

nearly 100 posts in and still nobody on a NBA forum knows who Craig's backup was :lol

[SpaceJam2]

nearly 100 posts in and still nobody on a NBA forum knows who Craig's backup was :lol

Shiiiit I don't even think most people know who Craig Ehlo was :lol

[SpaceJam2]

OP's video discussion is on Jordans 69 point game vs Ehlo in 1990 :hammerhead:

The game and Ehlo starting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6BoEG4qf14) :oldlol:



https://media1.giphy.com/media/3og0IMJcSI8p6hYQXS/giphy.gif

:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

[3ball]

OP's video discussion is on Jordans 69 point game vs Ehlo in 1990 :hammerhead:

The game and Ehlo starting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6BoEG4qf14) :oldlol:



https://media1.giphy.com/media/3og0IMJcSI8p6hYQXS/giphy.gif
Who cares about 69 points in the regular season when MJ was setting records in the playoffs vs Harper

Harper was the starter in the 88' playoffs when MJ averaged 45/5/5, and also the 89' playoffs when MJ averaged 40/6/8

The 45 ppg is the record for a playoff series since the 60's.

Infact, only MJ averaged 40+ in a series since the 60's, and he did it 6 times

(edit: bernard king did it once in 84'.. the guys from the 60's were west/baylor/barry, who did it once each.. and that's it)
.

[scuzzy]

Who cares about 69 points in the regular season when MJ was setting records in the playoffs vs Harper

Harper was the starter in the 88' playoffs when MJ averaged 45/5/5, and also the 89' playoffs when MJ averaged 40/6/8

The 45 ppg series is the record for a playoff series since the 60's.

Infact, only MJ averaged 40+ in a series since the 60's, and he did it 6 times

(edit: bernard king did it once in 84'.. west/baylor/barry did it once each in the 60's.. and that's it)
.

didn't read :banana:

this thread topic is a discussion on Jordans 69 point game vs Ehlo in 1990 :hammerhead:

The game and Ehlo starting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6BoEG4qf14)

[dbugz]

keyword here is "JR Smith".

One of the dumbest player out there, :oldlol:

[clutchinho]

JR is an idiot, a quick google search would tell him that Ehlo backed up Ron Harper and Larry Nance, both better players than JR and his backup Delladedova

as was Ehlo

[Real Men Wear Green]

nearly 100 posts in and still nobody on a NBA forum knows who Craig's backup was :lolNearly 100 post in and 90 of them are you with your alts. Find a new gimmick.

[SpaceJam2]

didn't read :banana:

this thread topic is a discussion on Jordans 69 point game vs Ehlo in 1990 :hammerhead:

The game and Ehlo starting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6BoEG4qf14)

Goteeeem :roll:

[FKAri]

Hornacek led the 90' Suns to 55 wins and upset Magic's 1 seeded, all-star team in the wcsf (https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1990-nba-western-conference-semifinals-suns-vs-lakers.html)

In 1991, Hornacek led the Suns to another 55 wins while leading them in scoring

Hornacek was legit.... superior to Gordon Hayward.. hornacek led all perimeter wings in assists several years
Meltdown. Hornacek moved like someone with MS. Despite his shooting he wouldn't do shit in today's pace and space era.

As for the video, I'm being 100% real when I say there is truth to what he's saying (I only watched a minute in from the link tho). The biggest difference between the 90s to now is the level of bench play. Bench players a lot better now. Back then there was a steeper drop off from the stars to the starters to the role players to the bench warmers.

[Elosha]

You know someone is desperate when they quote JR Smith as an authority on any subject matter - ever. :rolleyes:

[Dr Seuss]

Talking to yourself online is really creepy. Just saying.

:eek:

[3ball]

Meltdown. Hornacek moved like someone with MS. Despite his shooting he wouldn't do shit in today's pace and space era.

As for the video, I'm being 100% real when I say there is truth to what he's saying (I only watched a minute in from the link tho). The biggest difference between the 90s to now is the level of bench play. Bench players a lot better now. Back then there was a steeper drop off from the stars to the starters to the role players to the bench warmers.
Ehlo was a very good bench player so you don't know what ur talking about

Don't act like you have knowledge to accurately assess BENCH players from 30-40 years ago... Gtfo

[SpaceJam2]

Ehlo was a very good bench player so you don't know what ur talking about

Don't act like you have knowledge to accurately assess BENCH players from 30-40 years ago... Gtfo

Please please please tell me you are trolling and this whole account is just a gimmick?

Is the talent pool deeper now or in the 90s?

[Overdrive]

Meltdown. Hornacek moved like someone with MS. Despite his shooting he wouldn't do shit in today's pace and space era.

As for the video, I'm being 100% real when I say there is truth to what he's saying (I only watched a minute in from the link tho). The biggest difference between the 90s to now is the level of bench play. Bench players a lot better now. Back then there was a steeper drop off from the stars to the starters to the role players to the bench warmers.

Kind of, but not really.

The league is just designed that a certain singular skills are useful. If you can shoot good from 3 and keep up for 20mins of NBA basketball you're good to go. Talentwise they're just as much scrubs as the 8th or 9th guy back then, but they have that one skill that makes them look better than they are overall.

Just 5 years ago that was totally different. 10 years? Benches of champs were filled with scrubs. Nothing about scoting really changed, the game was totally international by then. The only thing that's changed is that the NBA went from an league with iso, 3 pt shooting and defense into the defenseless 3 pt spamming run & gun league it is now and even rules were changed to push it further that way.

[Hey Yo]

"After a dizzying first quarter between the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets, Steve Kerr took a moment to realize how lucky he is.

Not because he gets to coach the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals for fourth straight year, but that he was born in 1965.

Because if he had been born 20 years later, he reckons he might have spent his entire 15-year NBA career in a different league.


“Just watching our guys and how talented they are and how talented Houston is, there’s no way I could have played in the NBA today,” Kerr said Monday during Game 1 of the WCF. “I came around at the right time, 20 years ago.”

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2018/5/14/17354582/steve-kerr-no-way-could-have-played-in-nba-warriors-rockets-western-conference-finals-playoffs

[SpaceJam2]

"After a dizzying first quarter between the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets, Steve Kerr took a moment to realize how lucky he is.

Not because he gets to coach the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals for fourth straight year, but that he was born in 1965.

Because if he had been born 20 years later, he reckons he might have spent his entire 15-year NBA career in a different league.



https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2018/5/14/17354582/steve-kerr-no-way-could-have-played-in-nba-warriors-rockets-western-conference-finals-playoffs

I may not like Steve Kerr but I have to give credit where credit is due. Takes a real man to admit something like this. Major props :cheers:

Meanwhile, 3ball is trying his darndest to convince us (and even himself) that the 90s auto mechanic / grocery bagger era was superior to modern day basketball talentwise :roll:

[Overdrive]

Steve Novak was a starter a few years ago. What seperates him from Kerr and the likes?

[FKAri]

Kind of, but not really.

The league is just designed that a certain singular skills are useful. If you can shoot good from 3 and keep up for 20mins of NBA basketball you're good to go. Talentwise they're just as much scrubs as the 8th or 9th guy back then, but they have that one skill that makes them look better than they are overall.

Just 5 years ago that was totally different. 10 years? Benches of champs were filled with scrubs. Nothing about scoting really changed, the game was totally international by then. The only thing that's changed is that the NBA went from an league with iso, 3 pt shooting and defense into the defenseless 3 pt spamming run & gun league it is now and even rules were changed to push it further that way.
Modern perimeter oriented offense heavily benefits from the rules. True. It has also pushed the league in a certain direction stylistically. But I disagree that, that is the reason the league has become more singularly focused. That convergence just comes with time.

There's a lot less variation on the form of players' jumpshots today vs, say 30 years ago. Certain techniques always converge. Alternative playstyles die out. This is a natural progression. It's evolution and survival of the fittest.

[Rico2016]

Modern perimeter oriented offense heavily benefits from the rules. True. It has also pushed the league in a certain direction stylistically. But I disagree that, that is the reason the league has become more singularly focused. That convergence just comes with time.

There's a lot less variation on the form of players' jumpshots today vs, say 30 years ago. Certain techniques always converge. Alternative playstyles die out. This is a natural progression. It's evolution and survival of the fittest.

Essentially, as we improve we find what works and what doesn't and in some cases perhaps "forcing" players to play a certain optimal way or risk giving up an advantage.

MJ's era didn't even think about shooting three pointers. Why shoot from so far away when I can put someone on the block and bang down low for 2 points? Over time, as the game has evolved and players have "perfected" the art of scoring, we have found what are the most optimal scoring schemes and as well as defensive schemes, so it goes both ways.

[Real14]

J.r Smith has been a bitch ever since he left the Knicks and he definitely saying bullshit nonsense just like these crackhead bron stans cuz bron win him an asterisk ring.

[3ball]

Modern perimeter oriented offense heavily benefits from the rules. True. It has also pushed the league in a certain direction stylistically. But I disagree that, that is the reason the league has become more singularly focused. That convergence just comes with time.

There's a lot less variation on the form of players' jumpshots today vs, say 30 years ago. Certain techniques always converge. Alternative playstyles die out. This is a natural progression. It's evolution and survival of the fittest.
If we removed the 3-point line, players would only be able to drive-and-kick for 2 pointers, and the efficiency of drive-and-kick would be less than post ups.. post ups would return to being the best offensive option

That's why offenses are currently based around the drive-and-kick - once players started taking more 3-pointers, it made sense to drive-and-kick more than post-up

There used to be a myth that defensive schemes reduced post ups - that's false - the option to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers is why post ups disappeared... But if we removed the 3-point line, post ups would return as the best option. Today's spacing gives post players more room to operate, but it's moot because drive-and-kick for 3-pointers is still the mote efficient play

[LAmbruh]

still can't name his backup :lol

[jayfan]

Who was Barea's backup?



.

[3ball]

Still can't name his backup :lol


In 1990, it appears to be Steve Kerr - 7 ppg and 3 apg with 51% from three in 21 minutes.. :confusedshrug:

But Ehlo only started because 20/5/5 athletic Ron Harper got hurt in 1990 season

Ehlo was infact the backup to Ron Harper, who started from 87-89' - Harper was the guy that MJ averaged 40 against in both 88' and 89' playoffs.. again, ehlo WAS the backup, and a backup basically his whole career..

JR Smith is simply one of the more ignorant people out there.. he's one of those guys that never worked on his game and lived off natural talent - this contributed greatly to his ignorance - he's never had to drill down on anything because his talent made him a shoe-in for the NBA and a shoe-in to be decent without any work... Guys like that walk around spouting garbage left and right because the world was given to them and they never had to work

[superduper]

Steve Novak was a starter a few years ago. What seperates him from Kerr and the likes?

Ayo bruh why they avoiding this post like the plague?

SpaceJam2?
Corp?
Manny?

Anyone.......

[FKAri]

If we removed the 3-point line, players would only be able to drive-and-kick for 2 pointers, and the efficiency of drive-and-kick would be less than post ups.. post ups would return to being the best offensive option

That's why offenses are currently based around the drive-and-kick - once players started taking more 3-pointers, it made sense to drive-and-kick more than post-up

There used to be a myth that defensive schemes reduced post ups - that's false - the option to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers is why post ups disappeared... But if we removed the 3-point line, post ups would return as the best option. Today's spacing gives post players more room to operate, but it's moot because drive-and-kick for 3-pointers is still the mote efficient play
Not sure if you're disputing my point, agreeing with it, or branching off in another direction from it. But there is more to it than just people got good at 3's. There's also the Barkley rule. Add on to that the lack of handchecking which makes facing up a lot more attractive.


Ayo bruh why they avoiding this post like the plague?

SpaceJam2?
Corp?
Manny?

Anyone.......
Easy answer...size.

[superduper]

Not sure if you're disputing my point, agreeing with it, or branching off in another direction from it. But there is more to it than just people got good at 3's. There's also the Barkley rule. Add on to that the lack of handchecking which makes facing up a lot more attractive.


Easy answer...size.

So you're telling me there's no 6'3 players in the NBA anymore?

[ArbitraryWater]

Steve Novak was a starter a few years ago. What seperates him from Kerr and the likes?

He was never a starter.

He played less than a quarter of ball every year but 4 of his career

Lol.

[LAmbruh]

He was never a starter.

He played less than a quarter of ball every year but 4 of his career

Lol.
ouch

[FKAri]

So you're telling me there's no 6'3 players in the NBA anymore?
Not with Steve Kerr's putrid physicals. Ain't nobody like that having that kind of impact today. Steve Nash was an athletic beast relative to that Nick Kerr lover.

[LAmbruh]

Not with Steve Kerr's putrid physicals. Ain't nobody like that having that kind of impact today. Steve Nash was an athletic beast relative to that Nick Kerr lover.
:roll:

[eliteballer]

Jordan

[3ball]

Not sure if you're disputing my point, agreeing with it, or branching off in another direction from it. But there is more to it than just people got good at 3's. There's also the Barkley rule. Add on to that the lack of handchecking which makes facing up a lot more attractive.


Easy answer...size.
Maybe you don't realize the purpose of today's high-screen roll format - it's the best way to get 3-pointers - that's the main objective

But when you can't drive-and-kick for 3-pointers, drive-and-kick isn't an attractive option regardless of how easy you can penetrate.. and those 3-pointers spaced the floor for easier penetration, so without them, the paint-camping negates sheer penetration (no kickout drives)

So if the 3-pt line was removed, no defensive scheme or lack of perimeter physicality would prevent post-ups from returning as the most efficient play
.

[TheCorporation]

He was never a starter.

He played less than a quarter of ball every year but 4 of his career

Lol.

Wrekt :lol :lol

[Overdrive]

He was never a starter.

He played less than a quarter of ball every year but 4 of his career

Lol.

He started games, that's the definition. Never said how many.



Easy answer...size.

Does that matter if you're the 5th option, being the guy who spots up after the defense collapsed on the other guys?

[SpaceJam2]

He started games, that's the definition. Never said how many.



Does that matter if you're the 5th option, being the guy who spots up after the defense collapsed on the other guys?

In '96 Kerr played 23 mpg off the bench and shot 52% from 3 point land and 93% from the free throw line.

NotBad.jpeg

[LAmbruh]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Never gets old

[And1AllDay]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Never gets old

JR Swish spit that hot fire and the the haters dont know how to act now

:oldlol: :roll:

[LAmbruh]

Still can't name out his backup :oldlol:

[RealSkipBayless]

Talking to yourself online is really creepy. Just saying.
:lebronamazed:

:yaohappy: :hammertime: :party:

[Gus Hemmingway]

"I'm glad you brought that up"


"There were a lot of BUMS in that era"


:roll:

[Manny98]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:
This :applause:

[Manny98]

The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[NBAGOAT]

He started games, that's the definition. Never said how many.



Does that matter if you're the 5th option, being the guy who spots up after the defense collapsed on the other guys?

it absolutely matters defensively however. That's likely the reason kerr wouldnt get big minutes. One of the main reasons jimmer cant make it in the league.

You can get more away with being unathletic if you're guarding a big instead of a guard on the perimeter. Teams last few years are reluctant to even play korver heavy minutes even though he's 6'7, a goat lvl shooter and a decent team defender because of his man defense.

Finally 2012 is still different from 2019, 7 years is a lot. Ryan Anderson was important rotation piece for the Rockets in 2017. He's unplayable now because offenses are even more pnr heavy and so focused on attacking the weak link. Novak's not getting as many minutes today, kerr even less so.

[thefatmiral]

If Jordan is being overrated by the era he played in then why was he able to come out of retirement and ball out at 40.

[TheCorporation]

If Jordan is being overrated by the era he played in then why was he able to come out of retirement and ball out at 40.

Is missing the playoffs back to back years while shooting 18% from 3 balling out?

TheJordan Standard ?

[72-10]

how you gonna rank on Ron Harper, excellent, lanky defender with a 7 foot armspan who could read the passing lanes

[brutalBBQ]

"There were a lot of BUMS in that era"

https://youtu.be/o9dRShNxryQ?t=1214


:lebronamazed: :yaohappy:

A lot bums in JR Smith's era, himself being one of them.

[scuzzy]

A lot bums in JR Smith's era, himself being one of them.
JR Smith would be the most elite 3pt shooter in the 90's and that's not even exaggeration :lol

[72-10]

JR Smith would be the most elite 3pt shooter in the 90's and that's not even exaggeration :lol

You're full of shit. Reggie Miller would crush JR.

[egokiller]

JR Smith would be the most elite 3pt shooter in the 90's and that's not even exaggeration :lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Sure he would. He can

[LAmbruh]

JR Smith would be the most elite 3pt shooter in the 90's and that's not even exaggeration :lol
Imagine JR with a WNBA 3pt line guarded by Hornacek's nightly, GG :oldlol:

[Callystarr]

LeBron SF competition: Kawhi, Durant, Paul George

MJ SG competition: Drexler...Starks? Ehlo?

So, wait - you couldn't find better players to name, rather than Starks Or Ehlo? You really reached.

You act like Lebron has never been guarded by a shooting guard, OR Jordan by a small Forward.

Furthermore, players back then played defense, now they don't. At least he had to find a way to score rather than red carpet rolled out for a quick 3 point shot, or mid range :rolleyes:

[Callystarr]

You're full of shit. Reggie Miller would crush JR.

I guess he doesn't realize that the best 3 point shooter in FG% history is the coach of the Warriors...

7 of the top 10 FG% of all time played in the 90s, granted they did not shoot 3's as much but clearly could shoot :rolleyes:

If they had the lane open instead of actually being played by defense, probably would even be higher.

[LostCause]

Is missing the playoffs back to back years while shooting 18% from 3 balling out?

TheJordan Standard ?

Well LeBron just missed the playoffs at a much younger age than Jordan was

Probably would

[superduper]

Imagine using JR's low iq as some sort of valid source :oldlol:

Kids in the league today literally don't even know the commissioner's name. We expect JR to know players from an era 20 years ago?

[sportjames23]

Imagine using JR's low iq as some sort of valid source :oldlol:

Kids in the league today literally don't even know the commissioner's name. We expect JR to know players from an era 20 years ago?


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bawkish]

Imagine using JR's low iq as some sort of valid source :oldlol:

Kids in the league today literally don't even know the commissioner's name. We expect JR to know players from an era 20 years ago?

also a lot of Bron stans here have JR's IQ level of basketball reasoning

[Mr Feeny]

Imagine using JR's low iq as some sort of valid source :oldlol:

Kids in the league today literally don't even know the commissioner's name. We expect JR to know players from an era 20 years ago?

That's just it, isnt it? It reflects ignorance rather than a lack of quality of players of the previous era.

My friend's 7 year old doesnt know who Hakeem was. Jr Smith is a grown up version of that 7 year old.

[TheCorporation]

Imagine JR with a WNBA 3pt line guarded by Hornacek's nightly, GG :oldlol:

shut. it. down.

:roll: :roll:

[Soundwave]

Kids won't know who the f**k JR Smith was in 10 years, let alone his back up, does that mean all the players in his era are irrelevant?

What goes around, comes around.

[Mr Feeny]

Kids won't know who the f**k JR Smith was in 10 years, let alone his back up, does that mean all the players in his era are irrelevant?

What goes around, comes around.

The poster above you doesnt know who Shaq is. Had to Google him.

[TheCalmInsanity]

Of course he doesn't remember something from the 90's, he couldn't even remember the score of the game he was in when he ran out to half court

Just saying... Can't believe you trust this guy's memory

[LAmbruh]

JR Smith "MJ was the GOAT, until 2 years ago"



:lebronamazed: :hammertime:

[Phoenix]

That's just it, isnt it? It reflects ignorance rather than a lack of quality of players of the previous era.

My friend's 7 year old doesnt know who Hakeem was. Jr Smith is a grown up version of that 7 year old.

I've talked ball with some mid-20 year olds in my office who have no fukking clue who Larry Bird was until I showed them some youtube clips.

[Manny98]

Imagine JR with a WNBA 3pt line guarded by Hornacek's nightly, GG :oldlol:
30ppg easily :applause:

[LAmbruh]

30ppg easily :applause:
30 ppg would be GAWD like in the 90's and JR would breeze past that


20 ppg was MVP candidate worthy back then :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

ehlo WAS the backup

ron harper was the starter


Games started 1989

Harper - 82
Ehlo - 4


JR Smith represents the typical ignorance from today's era..

the reality is that most people only remember a couple replayed highlights of MJ like the shot over Ehlo or the switch hands shot - they don't really know anything about mj's career or how he played.. however, many of these same people call MJ the goat so they realize his greatness intuitively on some level..


You're not thinking at all. They are CLEARLY talking about the 92 team that faced the Bulls in the conf finals. Ehlo started every game, ironically Steve Kerr was his backup :oldlol: Him and John Battle split time at the 2.

[Mr Feeny]

I've talked ball with some mid-20 year olds in my office who have no fukking clue who Larry Bird was until I showed them some youtube clips.

There we go. That's just crazy. I realized not everyone is a hardcore fan but this is almost hard to believe. How on earth do people not know a top 6-7 player all time?

Shades of Shaq asking lenny Wilkins if he ever played basketball.

[superduper]

I've talked ball with some mid-20 year olds in my office who have no fukking clue who Larry Bird was until I showed them some youtube clips.

Do you work with Manny98?

[Mr Feeny]

Do you work with Manny98?

:lol That's probably accurate. Imagine being born in 98. Probably after Jordan retired from the Bulls and well after Bird and magic played their last games.

By the time he started watching at around 2009, every top 10 player besides Lebron was pretty much done.

[TheMan]

Why do people care what a low IQ thinks, Mr Time Out can't even remember how many time outs he has in crucial parts of a game :lol

[TheCorporation]

JR Smith "MJ was the GOAT, until 2 years ago"



:lebronamazed: :hammertime:


Baaaaaaaaang!


:lebronamazed: :hammertime:

[TheCorporation]

You're not thinking at all. They are CLEARLY talking about the 92 team that faced the Bulls in the conf finals. Ehlo started every game, ironically Steve Kerr was his backup :oldlol: Him and John Battle split time at the 2.

2ball exposed

Another day

Another slay

[poido123]

Haven

[Manny98]

:lol That's probably accurate. Imagine being born in 98. Probably after Jordan retired from the Bulls and well after Bird and magic played their last games.

By the time he started watching at around 2009, every top 10 player besides Lebron was pretty much done.
I got to witness prime LeBron live so I'm happy :applause:

Not missing much seeing MJ score on a bunch of milkmen and plumbers tbh

[Gus Hemmingway]

"do you have any idea what our guest today would do to Craig Ehlo?"

:roll:

[TheCorporation]

I thanked my local mail man this morning for his efforts in guarding MJ in the 90s :bowdown:

We should all thank our local mail men for guarding MJ in the 90s

[Showtime80']

Here's Vince Carter (who've actually playing in the current NBA) and Paul Pierce who retired in 2017 shedding some light on the current too soft for words NBA while polishing Pippen's and the entire 90's generation's knob in the process:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm2r49yIr3s&t=160s

[TheCorporation]

Here's Vince Carter (who've actually playing in the current NBA) and Paul Pierce who retired in 2017 shedding some light on the current too soft for words NBA while polishing Pippen's and the entire 90's generation's knob in the process:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm2r49yIr3s&t=160s

Is 96 Bulls best version of Bulls since they won 72 games?
Is 16 Warriors best version of Warriors since they won 73 games?

[RealSkipBayless]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:
:applause:

[72-10]

Ehlo was Ron Harper's backup on the Cavs, at least when the Cavs played the Bulls. "Mr. Everything" was for a time anyways before he got traded, I think to the Clip. Ehlo was 6'6" so it helped with his defending, but he wasn't as good of a defender as, nor as lanky as, nor had the armspan of Harper, he of the 7 foot wingspan, who was difficult to pass around.

[FromDowntown]

"do you have any idea what our guest today would do to Craig Ehlo?"

:roll:

Can't knock MJ for beating whoever was in front of him. Shoe salesman or not

[hiphopanonymous]

Dunning Krueger effect coming from the radio host - and JR is just flaunting his pro athlete competitive spirit which a lot of pro athletes have. Of course he (and many pro athletes) thinks he'd decimate anyone from the past, he plays now which he think is the best time to play and thinks he can go toe to toe with anyone now. You watch guys who mastered the sport like MJ and they don't speak about past guys with disdain they actually speak on them as if they'd be competitive match-ups. The way MJ speaks about Jerry West and Elgin Baylor for example, he acts like he wishes he could have played against them to know how good they'd be. Then you've got JR...

Radio host playing into JR's ego but honestly as an objective outsider looking at that hypothetical Ehlo would be physically able and competitive to match-up with JR... but would probably be smarter. They mentioned Laimbeer couldn't play today but isn't he a classic stretch 5?... in this stretch 5 era of "pace and space" why wouldn't he be able to play? Just an ignorant discussion steered by the radio host IMO but since he stroked JR's ego JR dove in.

[Duncan21formvp]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:
Yet somehow Karl Malone beat Tim Duncan and Shaq, while Lebron couldn't beat prime Duncan nor even Dwight Howard with HCA.

[ILLsmak]

dudes came thru this thread just bannin people.

-Smak

[DoctorP]

JR smith cant remember what he had for breakfast last week. WHO CARES

[Andrei89]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:

You should be perma banned for this blatant trolling

[FromDowntown]

JR smith cant remember what he had for breakfast last week. WHO CARES

J.R. Swish hasnt ever been a bright guy so not sure why we are listening to him about anything

[Sarcastic]

These guys are too dumb to even know that Ron Harper was the starter, and Ehlo was the backup.

[72-10]

You should be perma banned for this blatant trolling

ah, the insanity

I'd provide the exasperated Hubert Davis GIF if someone had clipped it

[72-10]

These guys are too dumb to even know that Ron Harper was the starter, and Ehlo was the backup.

I don't think there's too many dumb posters on this forum.

[CodeBreaker]

I can even remember MJ getting destroyed by Magic on defense, so Phil told him to switch and have Scottie defend Magic instead :lol

[Bawkish]

I can even remember MJ getting destroyed by Magic on defense, so Phil told him to switch and have Scottie defend Magic instead :lol

yeah you probably read it here on ISH just last week

[Angel Face]

Dumbest thread

[LAmbruh]

"do you have any idea what our guest today would do to Craig Ehlo?"

:roll:

:oldlol:

[Mamba4Life]

The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg

:roll:

[Turbo Slayer]

Why are we bumping old threads??? :facepalm

I think this is And1AllDay or SpaceJam2 or some bullshit alt

My god...

[Turbo Slayer]

LeCroix and Mamba4Life are suspect and mods needs to monitor this accounts more frequently b/c I just cant man....Im out.

Maybe FromDowntown???

Mods needs to do their job and they need to do their shit well!

[ImKobe]

:roll:

Jordan played a modern NBA team in the '93 Finals that had 7 11+ ppg scorers with two elite options. What happened?

[Whoah10115]

LeCroix and Mamba4Life are suspect and mods needs to monitor this accounts more frequently b/c I just cant man....Im out.

Maybe FromDowntown???

Mods needs to do their job and they need to do their shit well!

Co-sign.

[Turbo Slayer]

Co-sign.:cheers:

Im just tired of it u know.

IP ban those people.

They have been given way too much time to troll. Its time to ban them for good. Why do mods give trolls too much time on their hands? They been trolling for YEARS and still no punishment?

The moderators need to send a message to trolls that this shit is not allowed!

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeCroix and Mamba4Life are suspect and mods needs to monitor this accounts more frequently b/c I just cant man....Im out.

Maybe FromDowntown???

Mods needs to do their job and they need to do their shit well!

Agreed

They need to be monitored as potential mods

They are objective and never make personal attacks against other posters.

They have my vote to become mods

We are severely lacking in that department atm.

[dbugz]

coming from "JR dumb Smith" ? sounds legit

[FKAri]

LeCroix and Mamba4Life are suspect and mods needs to monitor this accounts more frequently
His username is Mamba4Life so clearly he is a Kobe fan. Case closed.

[Bronbron23]

John Stockton = present day Ricky Rubio

Isiah Thomas = Current Isaiah Thomas

Larry Bird = Current Luka Doncic

Karl Malone = Current Paul Milsap




I finally figured it out :eek:

one of the worst takes ive ever seen but im not surprised

[Bronbron23]

only an idiot would use another idiots quote to prove a point.

Oh and do really think in 30 years from now anyones gonna remember the 4th best players back up from any of these present teams?

[HoopsNY]

LeBron SF competition: Kawhi, Durant, Paul George

MJ SG competition: Drexler...Starks? Ehlo?

Drexler, Miller, Dumars, Moncrief, all HOF'ers. Starks and Hersey Hawkins were no slouches either.

[Whoah10115]

:cheers:

Im just tired of it u know.

IP ban those people.

They have been given way too much time to troll. Its time to ban them for good. Why do mods give trolls too much time on their hands? They been trolling for YEARS and still no punishment?

The moderators need to send a message to trolls that this shit is not allowed!

It's just a bunch (of God forbid the creepiness of it being like one or two) guys talking to each other (themselves).

Something's wrong.

[G0ATbe]

It's just a bunch (of God forbid the creepiness of it being like one or two) guys talking to each other (themselves).

Something's wrong.
This whole thread is all in your head. You made this whole conversation including me up. Nobody can see this but you.

[scuzzy]

This whole thread is all in your head. You made this whole conversation including me up. Nobody can see this but you.
:lol

[RRR3]

This whole thread is all in your head. You made this whole conversation including me up. Nobody can see this but you.
:roll:

[LeCroix]

The Beast!


MJ to Jackson in the modern era

https://i.postimg.cc/V6VvZtnm/Picposr1266282o.jpg

Hed be shook wondering what happened to 10.7 Hornacel

[GimmeThat]

schizophrenia

[RogueBorg]

JR smith cant remember what he had for breakfast last week. WHO CARES

JR Smith can't remember how many timeouts he had in a game.

[bullettooth]

Of course he doesn't remember Ehlo's back-up, he was 3. He doesn't remember Ehlo either for that matter, and doesn't even remember that he has a time out.

:lol

[DoctorP]

The irony being that Craig Ehlo cant even name JR Smith's backup

[Bronbron23]

The irony being that Craig Ehlo cant even name JR Smith's backup

Seriously though. Who was jr's back up when he made this idiotic comment?

[72-10]

2 and 1 over 10 smh

[TheCorporation]

I can even remember MJ getting destroyed by Magic on defense, so Phil told him to switch and have Scottie defend Magic instead :lol

:lol

[Baller789]

Seriously though. Who was jr's back up when he made this idiotic comment?

No one knows

And he was to have played in this era.

:facepalm