Larry Bird's prime is indisputably better than Lebron's

[90sgoat]

Bird was never a stats guy. Lebron is all about stats.

Even so, Larry has a better 4 year peak than Lebron.

Both their primes actually overlapped, both winning 2 rings in 4 seasons from 27 through 30.

Bird averaged 27/10/7 on 49/37/90

Lebron averaged 28/9/6 on 49/31/76

Larry also has more steals and blocks with less turnovers.

Bird simply has the better stats. Bird was simply a better basketball player.

End of story.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

I agree, only teens and college students think LeBron has an argument :lol

[3ball]

Bird was a better passer and he didn't dribble

That's the most amazing part of his game to me - his passing

Like, I don't think lebron is a better passer than MJ, but Bird most definitely is

There's never been a player with his passing style - it's next level instinct and skill

[90sgoat]

Bird was a better passer and he didn't dribble

That's the most amazing part of his game to me - his passing

Like, I don't think lebron is a better passer than MJ, but Bird most definitely is

There's never been a player with his passing style - it's next level instinct and skill

The point is, Lebron doesn't even have a stats argument over Bird.

[StrongLurk]

Bird 27-30 actually is very similar to Bron. Their stats per 100 poss are also very similar (Lebron actually scores about 5 points more while their assists/rebounds are basically the same, Larry has a slight advantage in efficiency).

This is true for regular season AND playoffs. I would give Lebron a slight defensive advantage during this time as well.

There is a reason why Bird is a top 10 player of all time.

[3ball]

The point is, Lebron doesn't even have a stats argument over Bird.
Oh of course - the stats speak for themselves - bird's are better

And accolades - 3-peat of mvp's

And bird yielded better BASKETBALL for the team - better teams - better brand of ball and competitiveness at the highest level.. he also beat better teams

[SpaceJam2]

Well he did 6-0 MJ in the playoffs but then again MJ also had a tough time with midgets. Hmm, but please don't forget that Bird only made it to 5 finals and he was outscored by his own teammate in three of those five.

Yikes :eek:

[SpaceJam2]

PS: LeBron did everything better than MJ and Bird. Look it up.

And he was a more efficient scorer than both. Bird is tier 3, MJ tier 2.

Next

[90sgoat]

There is a reason why Bird is a top 10 player of all time.

Lebron is a top 10 player (barely).

Bird is a top 3 player.

[Bronbron23]

Bird was never a stats guy. Lebron is all about stats.

Even so, Larry has a better 4 year peak than Lebron.

Both their primes actually overlapped, both winning 2 rings in 4 seasons from 27 through 30.

Bird averaged 27/10/7 on 49/37/90

Lebron averaged 28/9/6 on 49/31/76

Larry also has more steals and blocks with less turnovers.

Bird simply has the better stats. Bird was simply a better basketball player.

End of story.

It's hard to argue I'll admit. Lebrons argument over other greats is never gonna be chips or peak play it's gonna be his longevity.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron is a top 10 player (barely).

Bird is a top 3 player.

Post your top 10...you won't.

[SpaceJam2]

This feels like it's 2016 again when LBJ lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[90sgoat]

Post your top 10...you won't.

MJ (1a)
Bird (1b)
Kareem
Magic
Russel
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt
Kobe
Hakeem
...
Lebron

I guess Lebron isn't in my current top 10 list.

[StrongLurk]

MJ (1a)
Bird (1b)
Kareem
Magic
Russel
Shaq
Duncan
Wilt
Kobe
Hakeem
...
Lebron

I guess Lebron isn't in my current top 10 list.

Can you explain your logic for putting Russell at 5 and Wilt at 8? And why you put Shaq/Duncan in between them?

[90sgoat]

Can you explain your logic for putting Russell at 5 and Wilt at 8? And why you put Shaq/Duncan in between them?

Russell had era adjusted stats of 15/15 or something like that.

You have to respect his rings, but have you seen Bob Cousy play? The man was an all time great and did passes you didn't see others do at all. He had Havlicek as well, who many have as a top 15 guy.

He doesn't have the transcendent skill of MJ, Bird, Magic and Kareem. Those 4 guys defined basketball.

Wilt was a statpadder, who simply wasn't skilled enough when facing equally sized opponents.

Duncan and Shaq were simply better. Duncan was a better Russell. Shaq was a better Wilt. Even so, you must give Russell credit for all his rings, so that's why he is 5.

[tpols]

Bird was a better passer and he didn't dribble

That's the most amazing part of his game to me - his passing

Like, I don't think lebron is a better passer than MJ, but Bird most definitely is

There's never been a player with his passing style - it's next level instinct and skill


Jokic.

just doesnt have birds alpha shooting / scoring gene but thats why hes a GOAT.

[PickernRoller]

I don't think anyone will even dare deny that.

[TheCorporation]

This feels like it's 2016 again when LBJ lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.


2ez

:dancin

[3ball]

Lebron leads MJ in:

Win Shares (tied to games played), TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS (tied to games played), DWS (tied to games played), OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP (tied to games played)


MJ leads in:

FT%, STL%, PPG, PER, WS/48, USAGE, ORTG, OREB


After removing stats that are tied to games played:

Lebron leads in:. TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OBPM, DBPM, VORP

Jordan leads in:. PPG, PER, WS/48, USAGE, ORTG, FT%, STL%, OREB%



No wonder MJ is 6/6 and lebron is 3/9... :facepalm

And remember that mj's scoring ability/style was what durant did in Game 3 a few days ago - his scoring shut down games and forced defenses into many mistakes..

Otoh, Lebron's excessive ball-dominance, weak shooting, lower aggressiveness, lower stamina and lack of off-ball movement and repertoire is easy to overcome, 3/9
.

[HylianNightmare]

Water is wet

[Duncan21formvp]

Good post! I agree Bird is still better than Lebron. The media is the only reason this is a debate in reality.

[juju151111]

Post playoffs stats. Lj>Bird

[BallsOut]

Fire is hot

[SpaceJam2]

Why becuz he 6-0d your boys ass, held him to 1-9 before Daddy Pippen? :lol :lol

[SpaceJam2]

This feels like it's 2016 again when LBJ lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[Turbo Slayer]

This feels like it's 2016 again when LBJ lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.
GOAT. :biggums: :bowdown:

[AussieSteve]

Bird, Jordan, Shaq, and LeBron are the only four guys in the last 35 - 40 years to be the undisputed best players on the planet for any significant length of time.

Who's better out of Bird and LeBron is a matter of taste in my opinion.

That LeBron has been a far better post season performer is pretty hard to dispute and gives him the edge for me. Longevity seals the deal as far as GOAT list ranking goes.