Who was LeBron defensive anchor?

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:

[iamgine]

older battier and big ben. larry hughes was all defensive 1st team as well.

[FKAri]

Lebron. The answer is Lebron.

[HylianNightmare]

Isn't he Mr 1-5:roll:

[Wally450]

Matthew Dellavedova.

[ronniec]

Didn't Lebron stans kept saying he can guard all 5 positions?
Gawd, right?
Why does he need a defensive anchor then?
Why the fvck you guys have to lower the level of your gawd and ask for help, ask for a defensive anchor?

[SpaceJam2]

Lebron. The answer is Lebron.

Thank you :pimp:

Imagine giving Bron a defensive anchor and

IT'S OVA

[SpaceJam2]

Didn't Lebron stans kept saying he can guard all 5 positions?
Gawd, right?
Why does he need a defensive anchor then?
Why the fvck you guys have to lower the level of your gawd and ask for help, ask for a defensive anchor?

Pwssy boy meltdown because you know I'm right :D

Next

[TemporaMutantur]

Shane Battierrrrrrr

[Cali Syndicate]

Isn't he Mr 1-5:roll:

He cant even defend his own position. Durant, kawhi, Iggy all fmvp against him. Even in 09, maybe he should have adverted his elite defense on dwight who was the main reason the cavs Got smoked. Or...unless....he actually cant guard 1-5...gasp...

[G0ATbe]

Lance stephenson

[Rico2016]

And just look at the glorious events taking place in this thread. On one side you have the logical LeBron fam, and on the other side you have the Glorious meltdowns fam. Anytime a great, irrefutable point is brought up it leaves LeBron haters in meltdown shambles. It really is a thing of beauty to watch.

I'll answer the question, since all of the haters are in meltdown mode. He never had the luxury of playing alongside a great defensive player. He truly is the Swiss army knife of the NBA. I can't even imagine how much more dominant he would be on defense if he had someone shouldering the defensive load like Kawhi Leonard or Draymond Green. Especially now that he's towards the end of his career and needs a defensive stopper to shoulder some of the load.

[Rico2016]

Lance stephenson

Love this guy :lol :cheers:

[Rico2016]

He cant even defend his own position. Durant, kawhi, Iggy all fmvp against him. Even in 09, maybe he should have adverted his elite defense on dwight who was the main reason the cavs Got smoked. Or...unless....he actually cant guard 1-5...gasp...

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyle Kuzma

[PP34Deuce]

Prime Lebron (Cleveland 2008-2014) was a true swiss army knife.

I've always looked at his teams defensively being built to rebound and play solid positional defense.

Lebron is the eraser. if you play the positional defense, and get beat, he recovers and blocks the shot or steals it. He's a great help defender in the paint and on the perimeter.

[3ball]

Varejao was all-defense (10')

Lebron acquired reigning all-defense Hughes

Lebron acquired reigning all-defense Wade

Zydrunas averaged 2.3 blocks as an all-star

Chandler/McGee were established rim protectors

Shumpert and Bosh are considered good defenders


As usual, lebron played with more good players than MJ did... Heck, Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, versus 1.5 for Shaq in 10'
.

[SpaceJam2]

Matthew Dellavedova.

:lol :lol :cheers:

[SpaceJam2]

Varejao was all-defense (10')

Lebron acquired reigning all-defense Hughes

Lebron acquired reigning all-defense Wade

Zydrunas averaged 2.3 blocks as an all-star

Chandler/McGee were established rim protectors

Shumpert and Bosh are considered good defenders


As usual, lebron played with more good plan than MJ did... Heck, Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, versus 1.5 for Shaq in 10'
Cool so who was his defensive anchor again?

[3ball]

Cool so who was his defensive anchor again?
Defensive anchor is a troll word, but regardless, MJ is a goat defender and an "anchor"

So MJ

And as described above - lebron played with more good defenders than MJ, both inside and on the perimeter

[SouBeachTalents]

Defensive anchor is a troll word, but regardless, MJ is a goat defender and an "anchor"

So MJ

And as described above - lebron played with more good defenders than MJ, both inside and on the perimeter
Pippen > Jordan

[SpaceJam2]

Pippen > Jordan

200%

3ball is just a low IQ troll, I'm figuring him out

[SpaceJam2]

And just look at the glorious events taking place in this thread. On one side you have the logical LeBron fam, and on the other side you have the Glorious meltdowns fam. Anytime a great, irrefutable point is brought up it leaves LeBron haters in meltdown shambles. It really is a thing of beauty to watch.

I'll answer the question, since all of the haters are in meltdown mode. He never had the luxury of playing alongside a great defensive player. He truly is the Swiss army knife of the NBA. I can't even imagine how much more dominant he would be on defense if he had someone shouldering the defensive load like Kawhi Leonard or Draymond Green. Especially now that he's towards the end of his career and needs a defensive stopper to shoulder some of the load.

:applause: :applause:

[bison]

Adam Silver

[SpaceJam2]

Adam Silver

Why did Adam Silver make Curry have more turnovers than assists in the finals :(

[PP34Deuce]

Varejao was all-defense (10')

Lebron acquired reigning all-defense Hughes

Lebron acquired reigning all-defense Wade

Zydrunas averaged 2.3 blocks as an all-star

Chandler/McGee were established rim protectors

Shumpert and Bosh are considered good defenders


As usual, lebron played with more good plan than MJ did... Heck, Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, versus 1.5 for Shaq in 10'


Anderson Varejao in Cleveland couldn't stay healthy. dude was playing 30-40 games a season. He was a great offensive rebounder and a guy who could switch decently on the perimeter. He's no an anchor. even with his low games played, only had 1 season in Cleveland of more than 1 block per game.

Larry Hughes was a good perimeter defender but we're talking about anchors. O yea, and he couldn't stay healthy consistently during the Cleveland years.

Big Z was an anchor. a 7'3 big with long arms and offensively skilled.

36 year old Chandler could barely play consecutive games without having load management. Tyson of New York and Dallas was an anchor. Mcgee is not an anchor he's a great rim runner but he's not an Anchor.

Bosh was a great switch big and rebounder. Not an anchor. Those Miami years, I'd say lebron and wade were more anchors than Bosh.

[3ball]

200%

3ball is just a low IQ troll, I'm figuring him out
MJ was the primary defender on the opponent's best scorer:

Isiah Thomas (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc)
Gary Payton (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw&t=0m46s)
Tim Hardaway (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s)
Clyde Drexler
Reggie Miller
Magic Johnson


The only guys that pippen was a primary defender on was Penny and Dominique, who lit him up

[ronniec]

Pwssy boy meltdown because you know I'm right :D

Next

If you don't have the answer, just don't answer, don't attempt to.
Not everybody a meltdown like you.

Seems like "meltdown" is the only word you can respond to others.

[SpaceJam2]

If you don't have the answer, just don't answer, don't attempt to.
Not everybody a meltdown like you.

Seems like "meltdown" is the only word you can respond to others.
Who was LeBron's defensive anchor

[SpaceJam2]

MJ was the primary defender on the opponent's best scorer:

Isiah Thomas (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc)
Gary Payton (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw&t=0m46s)
Tim Hardaway (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ouMPqEk-s)
Clyde Drexler
Reggie Miller
Magic Johnson


The only guys that pippen was a primary defender on was Penny and Dominique, who lit him up

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor

[RealSkipBayless]

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 2,170

:lol :lol :biggums:

[superduper]

Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 2,170

:biggums:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude is literally dedicating his entire life to a basketball forum yet understands nothing about basketball outside of statsheets.

Feel bad for the guy tbh.

[SpaceJam2]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude is literally dedicating his entire life to a basketball forum yet understands nothing about basketball outside of statsheets.

Feel bad for the guy tbh.
Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[superduper]

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

You called Shaq, rookie Ariza, and last legs Artest who begged Kobe to carry him to a championship his defensive stoppers.

Your troll threads are doing nothing other than hurting your hero at an embarrassing 60+ posts per day pace.

Keep it up bro :cheers:

[dazzer87]

Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 2,170

:lol :lol :biggums:
Trying to get that "19 MVP of ISH" :roll: :roll: :roll:

[superduper]

Trying to get that "19 MVP of ISH" :roll:

:roll: :roll::facepalm

[SpaceJam2]

Trying to get that "19 MVP of ISH" :roll: :roll: :roll:

Already got it :pimp:

Destroying 3ball thread after thread

[SpaceJam2]

You called Shaq, rookie Ariza, and last legs Artest who begged Kobe to carry him to a championship his defensive stoppers.

Your troll threads are doing nothing other than hurting your hero at an embarrassing 60+ posts per day pace.

Keep it up bro :cheers:

Meltdown

Focus

[ronniec]

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor

Who cares, Mr. Meltdown

[SomeBlackDude]

anchors, plural.

dude always had elite defenders doing the heavy lifting for him.

ben wallace, varejao, stepdad west in cleveland

wade, battier in miami

didn't have any elite defenders during the homecoming, hence why the cavs were always turrible defensively.

now he has maybe the best pg defender in the business in lonzo.

look at the lakers defensive stats with and without bbb this past season.


Through the first 47 games of the season, the Lakers defense was actually looking really good. Per nba.com, they had a defensive rating of 106.3, which was 6th in the NBA. They were 16th in opponents points per game averaging 111.4 and an overall net rating of 1.1, which was good enough for 14th in NBA, during that time. Now, remember, this is also with LeBron missing over a month due to injury.

Now we get to the Lonzo injury. In the 11 games since Lonzo went out, the Lakers have dropped to dead last in the NBA in opponent PPG giving up an average of 121.6 points per game.

Their defensive rating dropped to 116.8 (27th in the NBA) with an overall +/- of -10. That is bad enough for 2nd to last, in front of only the Phoenix Suns, who currently own the worst record in the NBA.

Not only have these defensive stats gone significantly down but almost every single defensive statistic for the Lakers has taken a hit. Call it a coincidence or whatever excuse you might think of, but the stats speak for themselves.

[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-lakers-missing-huge-piece-of-defense-without-lonzo/ar-BBTsSCg"][B][SIZE="4"]LeBron: Lakers missing

[superduper]

anchors, plural.

dude always had elite defenders doing the heavy lifting for him.

ben wallace, varejao, stepdad west in cleveland

wade, battier in miami

didn't have any elite defenders during the homecoming, hence why the cavs were always turrible defensively.

now he has maybe the best pg defender in the business in lonzo.

look at the lakers defensive stats with and without bbb this past season.



LeBron: Lakers missing ‘huge piece’ of defense without Lonzo (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/lebron-lakers-missing-huge-piece-of-defense-without-lonzo/ar-BBTsSCg)

if that's not an anchor i don't know what is.

:eek:

A Bran alt got ethered with facts and reality?

Watch out, he's going to reply with "But who was his defensive anchor?"

:oldlol:

[tpols]

Shane battier guarded Durant in the heat days...

LeBron has led some of the worst defenses in the league since Miami. And of course the heat were an elite riley defense before he arrived.

[Overdrive]

As usual, lebron played with more good players than MJ did... Heck, Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, versus 1.5 for Shaq in 10'
.

Rodman and Pippen never existed.

[LAL]

His fans

[SpaceJam2]

So the best we have is a 34 year old Battier for 1 year :lol His minutes DROPPED big time after 2012 from 33 mpg to 17 mpg in 2013, to 12 mpg in 2014.

:eek:

So the best we have is a 34 year old Battier for 1 year..

Are you TRYING to prove my point? :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Kyle Kuzma

:lol PRIME KUZMA DOE

[superduper]

Kyle Kuzma

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

You damn right he is
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

So the best we have is a 34 year old Battier for 1 year :lol His minutes DROPPED big time after 2012 from 33 mpg to 17 mpg in 2013, to 12 mpg in 2014.

:eek:

So the best we have is a 34 year old Battier for 1 year..

Are you TRYING to prove my point? :roll:

Anyone?

[superduper]

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif


Anyone?

[34-24 Footwork]

Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 2,170

:lol :lol :biggums:

What in the actual f.uck? :lol

And to think he's posting on ANOTHER account so thee numbers are skewed

:biggums: :biggums:

[MJistheGOAT]

I

[SpaceJam2]

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor

Anyone?

[superduper]

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor

Anyone?

Kyle Kuzma as SouBeach said

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

[SpaceJam2]

Kyle Kuzma as SouBeach said

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

So you cry about trolling and then post this?

Anyway...

Who?

[superduper]

So you cry about trolling and then post this?

Anyway...

Who?

Explain to me how that's trolling.

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

[Gougou]

Bosh, Wade and himself...

[3ball]

In 2015, the Cavs' season turned around with the addition of rim protector Mosgov

I also remember talk of Tristan playing great defense in a key series, and Shumpert too

In Miami - Bosh, wade and lebron were all anchors

Btw, How did the Cavs take the 08' Celtics to 7 games with lebron at 26 on 35% for the series?

How did they make the 07' Finals with Lebron averaging 25.8 on 43.4% for the first 3 rounds?

Answer - they were a great defensive team that shut down the 08' Celtics and also everyone in the 07' playoffs.. Coach of the year Mike Brown was a great defensive coach with decorated defenders like Varejao, Hughes, and Lebron, along with tough interior players like Gooden and Zydrunas
.

[sbw19]

People forget the Cavs were a very good defensive team under MB, and that was when LeBron was below average defensively early in his career. They had a good number of interior and perimater defenders and they worked really well as a unit. That said, individually, Wade and Battier were the best defenders Lebron had.

[Smoke117]

Rodman and Pippen never existed.

Don't forget Horace Grant. He was one of the best defensive players at the PF position during the 90s.

[TheCorporation]

In 2015, the Cavs' season turned around with the addition of rim protector Mosgov

I also remember talk of Tristan playing great defense in a key series, and Shumpert too

In Miami - Bosh, wade and lebron were all anchors

Btw, How did the Cavs take the 08' Celtics to 7 games with lebron at 26 on 35% for the series?

How did they make the 07' Finals with Lebron averaging 25.8 on 43.4% for the first 3 rounds?

Answer - they were a great defensive team that shut down the 08' Celtics and also everyone in the 07' playoffs.. Coach of the year Mike Brown was a great defensive coach with decorated defenders like Varejao, Hughes, and Lebron, along with tough interior players like Gooden and Zydrunas
.

So Varejao was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[superduper]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/16/4831376/chris-bosh-video-breakdown-blitz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/7964/chris-bosh-no-longer-just-a-one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chris-bosh-doesnt-block-shots-but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/12/18/court-vision-chris-bosh-miami-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/breakdown-chris-bosh-gives-dominating-defensive-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article1963331.html

/thread

[3ball]

So Varejao was LeBron's defensive anchor?


Many guys were including lebron himself..

But the only "anchors" are centers, and lebron had WAY better rim protecting centers than MJ - Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, compared to 1.5+ for Mosgov, Zydrunas, and Shaq, with Chandler/McGee being better shot- blockers than MJ ever had

It's clear that Lebron played with more good defenders than MJ:

Horace, Pippen, Rodman, Harper

vs

Hughes, Varejao, Battier, Wade, Bosh, Zydrunas, Tristan, Mosgov, Shumpert, and more


:confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

So Varejao was LeBron's defensive anchor?

:lol

So far we have a 34 year old Battier for one year and Anderson Varejao

Any other elite defensive anchors? :roll:

Anyone?

[3ball]

:lol

So far we have a 34 year old Battier for one year and Anderson Varejao

Any other elite defensive anchors? :roll:

Anyone?
The only "anchors" are centers, and lebron had WAY better rim protecting centers than MJ:

Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, compared to 1.5+ for Mosgov, Zydrunas, and Shaq, with Chandler/McGee being better shot- blockers than MJ ever had

It's clear that Lebron played with more good defenders than MJ:

Horace, Pippen, Rodman, Harper

vs

Hughes, Varejao, Battier, Wade, Bosh, Zydrunas, Tristan, Mosgov, Shumpert, and more


:confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

Many guys were including lebron himself..

But the only "anchors" are centers, and lebron had WAY better rim protecting centers than MJ - Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, compared to 1.5+ for Mosgov, Zydrunas, and Shaq, with Chandler/McGee being better shot- blockers than MJ ever had

It's clear that Lebron played with more good defenders than MJ:

Horace, Pippen, Rodman

vs

Hughes, Varejao, Battier, Wade, Bosh, Zydrunas, Tristan, Mosgov, Shumpert, and more


:confusedshrug:

:wtf:

https://i.postimg.cc/m27njrK6/giphy.gif

[Smoke117]

Many guys were including lebron himself..

But the only "anchors" are centers, and lebron had WAY better rim protecting centers than MJ - Cartwright and Longley averaged 0.5 blocks, compared to 1.5+ for Mosgov, Zydrunas, and Shaq, with Chandler/McGee being better shot- blockers than MJ ever had

It's clear that Lebron played with more good defenders than MJ:

Horace, Pippen, Rodman

vs

Hughes, Varejao, Battier, Wade, Bosh, Zydrunas, Tristan, Mosgov, Shumpert, and more


:confusedshrug:

Jordan had the quality over quantity, though.

[The Iron Fist]

Didn't Lebron stans kept saying he can guard all 5 positions?
Gawd, right?
Why does he need a defensive anchor then?
Why the fvck you guys have to lower the level of your gawd and ask for help, ask for a defensive anchor?
Six finals losses just isnt as impressive as winning 11 times, or 6 times, or five times. All the top tier greats have winning finals records. Even guys that play in the same time period as he does have better finals records.:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Six finals losses just isnt as impressive as winning 11 times, or 6 times, or five times. All the top tier greats have winning finals records. Even guys that play in the same time period as he does have better finals records.:roll:

Shoot I wish LeBron went 1-9 in the 1st round with 3x first round exits instead of making the Finals three years so he'd have a better Finals winning percentage :lol :lol

Said no one ever (except an idiot like you) :lol

Next

[3ball]

Shoot I wish LeBron went 1-9 in the 1st round with 3x first round exits instead of making the Finals three years so he'd have a better Finals winning percentage :lol :lol

Said no one ever (except an idiot like you) :lol

Next
Curry, Lebron, Kyrie, Durant, MJ - nearly all players lose in their first couple years - MJ's early losses shouldn't get knocked any more than anyone else's

Otoh, Westbrook and lebron are having their 3rd missed playoffs or 1st round exit far into their careers - THAT should be knocked, and is being knocked - both lebron and Westbrook are being knocked



https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/16/4831376/chris-bosh-video-breakdown-blitz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/7964/chris-bosh-no-longer-just-a-one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chris-bosh-doesnt-block-shots-but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/12/18/court-vision-chris-bosh-miami-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/breakdown-chris-bosh-gives-dominating-defensive-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article1963331.html

/thread
https://media2.giphy.com/media/Mp4hQy51LjY6A/giphy.gif

[The Iron Fist]

Shoot I wish LeBron went 1-9 in the 1st round with 3x first round exits instead of making the Finals three years so he'd have a better Finals winning percentage :lol :lol

Said no one ever (except an idiot like you) :lol

NextFeelings caught. You’re hurting. Im not a Jordan fan like that. I dont think hes the goat.

Try again space jam 3-6.

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Feelings caught. You

[SomeBlackDude]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/16/4831376/chris-bosh-video-breakdown-blitz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/7964/chris-bosh-no-longer-just-a-one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chris-bosh-doesnt-block-shots-but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/12/18/court-vision-chris-bosh-miami-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/breakdown-chris-bosh-gives-dominating-defensive-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article1963331.html

/thread

the boshosaurus' pick n roll defense was some of the best in the league for a big. probably only kg was better during the early part of the decade.

now look at the cavs defense during the homecoming or the lakers w/o lonzo to see how mr. 1-5's team defenses fare w/ no anchors.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/1c/3f/3f1c3f325882092a9eb46098159ec54f.gif

[The Iron Fist]

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor
Doesnt matter. Hes just not that good to make his teammates better.

[RRR3]

When?

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

Jordan had the quality over quantity, though.
Nah, you're just forgetting that mj HIMSELF was a kawhi

That's a big chunk of the quality you speak of

Varejao, Bosh, Mosgov, and Battier were equal or better than Horace

And Wade, Hughes, Zydrunas, Tristan, Crowder, Shumpert, Chandler, and McGee easily offset Pippen...

Or Mike Brown, who was a great defensive coach (defense is how the Cavs took the 08' Celtics 7 games despite lebron's 26 on 35%.. and ditto on making the 07' Finals despite lebron's 25.8 on 43.4 thru the first 3 rounds).

[TheCorporation]

Nah, you're just forgetting that mj HIMSELF was a kawhi

That's a big chunk of the quality you speak of

Varejao, Bosh, Mosgov, and Battier were equal or better than Horace

And Wade, Hughes, Zydrunas, Tristan, Crowder, Shumpert, Chandler, and McGee easily offset Pippen...

Or Mike Brown, who was a great defensive coach (defense is how the Cavs took the 08' Celtics 7 games despite lebron's 26 on 35%.. and ditto on making the 07' Finals despite lebron's 25.8 on 43.4 thru the first 3 rounds).

Never go full 3ball

And Rodman? Lemme guess, is that just a wash with Chris Anderson? :lol

[3ball]

Never go full 3ball

And Rodman? Lemme guess, is that just a wash with Chris Anderson? :lol
Oh shit, left birdman off the list

Lebron had way more defensive help than mj

[Smoke117]

Nah, you're just forgetting that mj HIMSELF was a kawhi

That's a big chunk of the quality you speak of

Varejao, Bosh, Mosgov, and Battier were equal or better than Horace

And Wade, Hughes, Zydrunas, Tristan, Crowder, Shumpert, Chandler, and McGee easily offset Pippen...

Or Mike Brown, who was a great defensive coach (defense is how the Cavs took the 08' Celtics 7 games despite lebron's 26 on 35%.. and ditto on making the 07' Finals despite lebron's 25.8 on 43.4 thru the first 3 rounds).

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That you actually say this nonsense and are actually serious is just hilarious and proves once again why nobody should ever take you seriously.

[3ball]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That you actually say this nonsense and are actually serious is just hilarious and proves once again why nobody should ever take you seriously.
Collectively dumbass

Collectively, guys from that list that played together offset Pippen

So Wade and Birdman.... Or certainly Hughes and Zydrunas...

[TheCorporation]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That you actually say this nonsense and are actually serious is just hilarious and proves once again why nobody should ever take you seriously.

https://i.postimg.cc/Fs3Py0nq/tenor.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/Fs3Py0nq/tenor.gif

Sad but true

[TheBranStan]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

That you actually say this nonsense and are actually serious is just hilarious and proves once again why nobody should ever take you seriously.
Facts bro :lol

[superduper]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/16/4831376/chris-bosh-video-breakdown-blitz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/7964/chris-bosh-no-longer-just-a-one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chris-bosh-doesnt-block-shots-but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/12/18/court-vision-chris-bosh-miami-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/breakdown-chris-bosh-gives-dominating-defensive-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article1963331.html

/thread

Anyone?

[TheCorporation]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior) AND Rodman


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:

Anyone?

[superduper]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/16/4831376/chris-bosh-video-breakdown-blitz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/7964/chris-bosh-no-longer-just-a-one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chris-bosh-doesnt-block-shots-but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/12/18/court-vision-chris-bosh-miami-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/breakdown-chris-bosh-gives-dominating-defensive-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article1963331.html

/thread

So no one?

[TheCorporation]

So far we have

-Battier for 1 year at 34 years old
-Anderson Varejao
-Big Z

:lol

Or...you could have Pippen, Grant, and Rodman

Take your pick

MJ needs MOST HALP :mad:

[superduper]

So far we have

-Battier for 1 year at 34 years old
-Anderson Varejao
-Big Z

:lol

Or...you could have Pippen, Grant, and Rodman

Take your pick

MJ needs MOST HALP :mad:

Is there a reason you're ignoring facts/reality below:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10...itz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/mi...one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward...i-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/b...e-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/n...le1963331.html

[TheCorporation]

So far we have

-Battier for 1 year at 34 years old
-Anderson Varejao
-Big Z

:lol

Or...you could have Pippen, Grant, and Rodman

Take your pick

MJ needs MOST HALP :mad:

Anyone?

[superduper]

Anyone?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10...itz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/mi...one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward...i-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/b...e-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/n...le1963331.html

[superduper]

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

[TheCorporation]

I can't take anything you say seriously when you said

Pippen = Battier
Grant = Varejao
Rodman = Chris Anderson

[superduper]

I can't take anything you say seriously when you said

Pippen = Battier
Grant = Varejao
Rodman = Chris Anderson

Who the fk said that, not me :roll:

BTW:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10...itz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/mi...one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward...i-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/b...e-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/n...le1963331.html

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

[TheCorporation]

Who the fk said that, not me :roll:

BTW:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10...itz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/mi...one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward...i-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/b...e-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/n...le1963331.html

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9a..w7Sd3f6/source.gif

You just said it last night in this same thread...:facepalm

[superduper]

You just said it last night in this same thread...:facepalm

Link?

[TheCorporation]

Link?

How did you forget that quickly?


Nah, you're just forgetting that mj HIMSELF was a kawhi

That's a big chunk of the quality you speak of

Varejao, Bosh, Mosgov, and Battier were equal or better than Horace

And Wade, Hughes, Zydrunas, Tristan, Crowder, Shumpert, Chandler, and McGee easily offset Pippen...

Or Mike Brown, who was a great defensive coach (defense is how the Cavs took the 08' Celtics 7 games despite lebron's 26 on 35%.. and ditto on making the 07' Finals despite lebron's 25.8 on 43.4 thru the first 3 rounds).

[superduper]

How did you forget that quickly?

Cringe.

BTW

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10...itz-miami-heat

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/mi...one-way-player

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-who-cares/

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward...i-heat-defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/b...e-performance/

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/n...le1963331.html


https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

[3ball]

Nah, you're just forgetting that mj HIMSELF was a kawhi

That's a big chunk of the quality you speak of

Varejao, Bosh, Mosgov, and Battier were equal or better than Horace

And Wade, Hughes, Zydrunas, Tristan, Crowder, Shumpert, Chandler, and McGee easily offset Pippen...

Or Mike Brown, who was a great defensive coach (defense is how the Cavs took the 08' Celtics 7 games despite lebron's 26 on 35%.. and ditto on making the 07' Finals despite lebron's 25.8 on 43.4 thru the first 3 rounds).







I can't take anything you say seriously when you said

Pippen = Battier
Grant = Varejao
Rodman = Chris Anderson


Ur lying about what I said (full post is reposted above) - I said:


And Wade, Hughes, Zydrunas, Tristan, Crowder, Shumpert, Chandler, and McGee easily offset Pippen...

As in collectively dumbass

Collectively, the multiple good defenders that Lebron played with offset Pippen

So Wade, Birdman, Bosh, and Battier offset Pippen... Or Hughes, Varejao, Zydrunas...

And yes, Horace wasn't all-world and guys like Varejao, Battier, or Tristan compare well to him and guys like Zydrunas or Bosh were easily better

[PP34Deuce]

LOL......

Those Bulls teams were relatively healthy enough that that the metrics speak for themselves.

This narrative that Jordan had much less help should step. When he needed guys to step up, they physically were available to play and play hard.

Lebron's teams are always facing injuries and guys who are injury prone. Half the players you guys mentioned defensively played less games which affects cohesion.

These debates always turn into Lebron vs Jordan. One guys role was to attack attack both defensively and offensively.

The other guys role was to quarterback and then attack.

[egokiller]

LeBron was such a shitty defender he couldn't even help relieve some of the load like MJ would do with Pippen against good offensive players.

The end result was that Matthew Dellavedova had to be hospitalized for playing such hard defense on Curry. Then again I wasn't expecting much from LeBron, a guy who got shit on by Jason Terry....

MJ never had a teammate hospitalized for playing tough defense on his behalf.

Another thread fail from wheels who is always complaining about how he never got to watch GOAT MJ and instead had to settle for watching a 6 time loser. :applause:

ANOTHER ONE

Do the wins for MJ viewers ever stop stockpiling?

[TheCorporation]

LeBron was such a shitty defender he couldn't even help relieve some of the load like MJ would do with Pippen against good offensive players.

The end result was that Matthew Dellavedova had to be hospitalized for playing such hard defense on Curry. Then again I wasn't expecting much from LeBron, a guy who got shit on by Jason Terry....

MJ never had a teammate hospitalized for playing tough defense on his behalf.

Another thread fail from wheels who is always complaining about how he never got to watch GOAT MJ and instead had to settle for watching a 6 time loser. :applause:

ANOTHER ONE

Do the wins for MJ viewers ever stop stockpiling?

Wait for it..

Wait for it...

Ready?

Guess who has a better Defensive rating in the playoffs: LeBron or Jordan?

Hint: LeBron

And guess who was able to play with Rodman and Pippen and STILL has a worse defensive rating...

Hint: Jordan

Yikes

[The Iron Fist]

Wait for it..

Wait for it...

Ready?

Guess who has a better Defensive rating in the playoffs: LeBron or Jordan?

Hint: LeBron

And guess who was able to play with Rodman and Pippen and STILL has a worse defensive rating...

Hint: Jordan

Yikes
Ratings dont win championships.:roll:

[Rico2016]

Wait for it..

Wait for it...

Ready?

Guess who has a better Defensive rating in the playoffs: LeBron or Jordan?

Hint: LeBron

And guess who was able to play with Rodman and Pippen and STILL has a worse defensive rating...

Hint: Jordan

Yikes

:eek:

[3ball]

Wait for it..

Wait for it...

Ready?

Guess who has a better Defensive rating in the playoffs: LeBron or Jordan?

Hint: LeBron


Wait for it..

Wait for it...

Ready?

Guess who has a better Defensive rating and DBPM.... Pippen or Bird?

Hint: Bird


How could this be???

Oh wait.. I remember - the creators of DRtg and DBPM said they only count steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, thus favoring players like Lebron/Bird over MJ/Pippen, despite the latter being the better defenders

Hope that helps ..

[34-24 Footwork]

Ratings dont win championships.:roll:


This :oldlol:

Lol @ using the defensive rating of someone like Lebron in the playoffs.

Imagine what the defensive rating of MJ would be got a chance to guard scrubs in a shitty conference his entire career.

[34-24 Footwork]

What's Lebron's defensive rating his first season in the Western Conference Playoffs?

[SpaceJam2]

This :oldlol:

Lol @ using the defensive rating of someone like Lebron in the playoffs.

Imagine what the defensive rating of MJ would be got a chance to guard scrubs in a shitty conference his entire career.

Yeahhh because instead MJ was left to guard John Starks, Craig Ehlo, Jeff Hornacek, my god what a difficult task :oldlol: :oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

Yeahhh because instead MJ was left to guard John Starks, Craig Ehlo, Jeff Hornacek, my god what a difficult task :oldlol: :oldlol:


What's Lebron's defensive rating his first year in a competitive conference?

[3ball]

Wait for it..

Wait for it...

Ready?

Guess who has a better Defensive rating and DBPM.... Pippen or Bird?

Hint: Bird


How could this be???

Oh wait.. I remember - the creators of DRtg and DBPM said they only count steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, thus favoring players like Lebron/Bird over MJ/Pippen, despite the latter being the better defenders

Hope that helps ..
Space Jam running all day

[TheCorporation]

Space Jam running all day
So now defensive rebounds is not part of Defense. I'm learning more and more from you each day :lol :lol

[And1AllDay]

Bron never had a defense anchoring stuff for him like the other greats even Kobe I admit had Artest when he got older Bron cant be the anchor at 35 he has been doing it his whole career time for a break

[TheCorporation]

You know you're a real piece of crap for always lying all the time, 3ball.

3ball said Larry Bird had a better defensive rating than Scottie Pippen so I looked up their respective postseason #s and of course he was lying...No surprise 3ball lies again.

Scottie was a 102
Bird was a 104

Fake ass lying fan... what's wrong with you man? You're a habitual liar at this point.

[And1AllDay]

So now defensive rebounds is not part of Defense. I'm learning more and more from you each day :lol :lol

:oldlol: :roll:

[tpols]

So now defensive rebounds is not part of Defense. I'm learning more and more from you each day :lol :lol


uh...theyre not. Rebounding occurs between offense and defense as its own entity. And defensive rebounding is the weakest measure of rebounding ability since the people boxing out are often more responsible for the stat than the guy who got it.

[3ball]

So now defensive rebounds is not part of Defense. I'm learning more and more from you each day :lol :lol


If the stat ranks bird over pippen defensively, then it's obviously flawed

So bpm is flawed because of the defensive component dbpm that is biased towards defensive rebounders

And MJ leads obpm if you exclude the wizards..

Ultimately, Lebron only leads in stats that are tied to games played (career totals and win shares, vorp)... Otoh, MJ leads the most important per game stat by a wide margin (ppg), and the advanced stats that measure the RATE of production (PER, WS/48), not accumulations based on games played

[TheCorporation]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:


Anyone?

[Gileraracer]

Lebron himself.


http://i.freegifmaker.me/1/5/5/1/7/9/15517973533198297.gif

http://i.freegifmaker.me/1/5/5/1/7/9/1551797455788578.gif

http://i.freegifmaker.me/1/5/5/1/7/9/15517973023198267.gif


:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

So now defensive rebounds is not part of Defense. I'm learning more and more from you each day :lol :lol

:roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Who

[Paul George 24]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:
LECHOKE NEED 2 STARS AND HE STILL 3-15:oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

LECHOKE NEED 2 STARS AND HE STILL 3-15:oldlol:

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[And1AllDay]

If the stat ranks bird over pippen defensively, then it's obviously flawed

So bpm is flawed because of the defensive component dbpm that is biased towards defensive rebounders

And MJ leads obpm if you exclude the wizards..

Ultimately, Lebron only leads in stats that are tied to games played (career totals and win shares, vorp)... Otoh, MJ leads the most important per game stat by a wide margin (ppg), and the advanced stats that measure the RATE of production (PER, WS/48), not accumulations based on games played

But why you lying


Dirty little liar, Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird AND Jordan in the playoffs. You are the worst liar I've ever seen I can't take anything you say seriously now...

https://i.postimg.cc/XqRCt132/3ball-lies.png


Pippen leads Bird and Jordan in nearly every. single. defensive. stat.

Dirty little liar caught again :no:

[andgar923]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:
MJ made his teammates better defenders which is why the Bulls were usually ranked at the top defensively.

[And1AllDay]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:

Does anyone have a answer?

[Manny98]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:
Javale McGee and Timothy Mozgov :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Javale McGee and Timothy Mozgov :roll: :roll: :roll:

Exactly :roll:

Another thread

Another win

https://i.postimg.cc/dVjhbysr/GIF_Buy_diamonds.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/dVjhbysr/GIF_Buy_diamonds.gif

[RealSkipBayless]

Bout to be Anthony Davis. ~ you already kno


:dancin

[TheCorporation]

Bout to be Anthony Davis. ~ you already kno


:dancin

That's right us Bron Boys stay wi--

Hey wait a damn minute !! :mad:

[DocSlam]

Dellevadova
Shumpert
Tristan Thompson

That's who pestered the hell out of teams when Lebron won his last ring.

[TheCorporation]

Dellevadova
Shumpert
Tristan Thompson

That's who pestered the hell out of teams when Lebron won his last ring.

Thank you :applause:

[TheCorporation]

Did anyone find LeBron's defensive anchor such as a Pippen or Rodman?

[kennethgriffen]

shaq was a defensive anchor?


odd... i remember people making fun of him for his poor footwork/movement/help defense and guarding the pick and roll like a moron

he could get a few blocks but thats about it


the defensive anchor for the lakers was the guy making 1st team all defense guarding the other teams PG most nights

[TheCorporation]

shaq was a defensive anchor?


odd... i remember people making fun of him for his poor footwork/movement/help defense and guarding the pick and roll like a moron

he could get a few blocks but thats about it


the defensive anchor for the lakers was the guy making 1st team all defense guarding the other teams PG most nights

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor

[kennethgriffen]

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor


his era didn't really need one.. it was the start of the perimeter game/stretch 4's and switch/help defense


you only need a defensive anchor for an inside/out system


lebron beat the thunder when ibaka wasn't a threat... the spurs when duncan was no longer a big scorer and the warriors when draymond wasn't a big scorer either and was suspended for a game



if lebron ran into a shaq/hakeem/robinson/duncan/ewing type then maybe that kind of defensive center would be needed. but it was a different game from 2012 onward


i think thats why more and more non centers are winning DPOTY in recent years

[ArbitraryWater]

had to be his own defensive anchor


one of the few perimeter players to lead the playoffs in rim defense (2016)

[kennethgriffen]

had to be his own defensive anchor


one of the few perimeter players to lead the playoffs in rim defense (2016)


switching on the perimeter isn't an anchor


neither is leaving your man to cherry pick a rebound

[TheCorporation]

had to be his own defensive anchor


one of the few perimeter players to lead the playoffs in rim defense (2016)

Thank you :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

switching on the perimeter isn't an anchor


neither is leaving your man to cherry pick a rebound

ya


RIM PROTECTION

1.4/3.3 Defensive Field Goals Defended

Held opponents at the rim to 43.5%

The best rim protection % on the Cavs

For reference Bogut held opponents to 46.6%, and Tristan Thompson 49.2%

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...&sort=GP&dir=1

LeBron had the second highest playoff DPM (5.8) in a championship winning playoff run of all time only behind Ben Wallace in '04 (6.0)



how great is this guy?

his impact runs deep

[LostCause]

So what all time great defense has LeBron anchored, then?

[ArbitraryWater]

So what all time great defense has LeBron anchored, then?

none, but he was the anchor of a title team, more than MJ can say

:cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron 2016 Playoffs (21 games)

3.2/10.2 Defensive FGs defended

Overall, held opponents to 31.8% FG (Their average FG% was 45.9%

This is a differential of -14.1% (He held opponents to -14.8% their average FG%), which is by far the best mark... For comparison, Draymond was next best at -8.4%

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...?sort=GP&dir=1

To break it down even further to perimeter defense and Rim protection..

3PT DEFENSE

LeBron was the Cavs best 3pt defender, and along with Livingtson and context taken into account, the best 3pt defenders

0.9/3.8 Defensive Field Goals Defended

Held opponent 3pt shooters to 24.1% (Their average 3PT% was 36.7%)

This is a differential of -12.6%

Only one guy who played 15+ playoff games (Shawn Livingston) had a slightly better differential (Abet on lower volume)

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...USMINUS&dir=-1



kenneth, you will never understand this, because you simply dont want to.

keep posting gifs from 2019

[Manny98]

So what all time great defense has LeBron anchored, then?
LeBron was by far the best defensive player on all of his championship teams

You can't say the same for Mr 1/9

[kennethgriffen]

LeBron 2016 Playoffs (21 games)

3.2/10.2 Defensive FGs defended

Overall, held opponents to 31.8% FG (Their average FG% was 45.9%

This is a differential of -14.1% (He held opponents to -14.8% their average FG%), which is by far the best mark... For comparison, Draymond was next best at -8.4%

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...?sort=GP&dir=1

To break it down even further to perimeter defense and Rim protection..

3PT DEFENSE

LeBron was the Cavs best 3pt defender, and along with Livingtson and context taken into account, the best 3pt defenders

0.9/3.8 Defensive Field Goals Defended

Held opponent 3pt shooters to 24.1% (Their average 3PT% was 36.7%)

This is a differential of -12.6%

Only one guy who played 15+ playoff games (Shawn Livingston) had a slightly better differential (Abet on lower volume)

SOURCE: http://stats.nba.com/defensivehub/#!...USMINUS&dir=-1



kenneth, you will never understand this, because you simply dont want to.

keep posting gifs from 2019

this is why we watch games :lol

2011 Lebron finals defense exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhR-CXagPZI

2014 Lebron finals defense exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

2015 Lebron finals defense exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

2016 Lebron finals defense exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hXYtvQEjM

2017 Lebron finals defense exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmvikY8VdQ

2018 Lebron finals defense exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjNWFqrAIg

[LostCause]

none, but he was the anchor of a title team, more than MJ can say

:cheers:

This thread is about anchoring a defense. We judge defensive anchors by how they impact their teams defense. The best ones (KG, Duncan, Wallace, Russell etc) have all time great defenses to show for it. Even Jordan/Pippen do. If you can

[LostCause]

LeBron was by far the best defensive player on all of his championship teams

You can't say the same for Mr 1/9

And? There

[Skip_Bayless]

When you are the leader of a team and your defense is horrible like LeBron allowing Jason Terry to shit all over him, no one is going to be motivated on the team to be a defensive anchor.

MJ who was an all NBA defender 9 times was able to motivate teammates to playing defense. He's everything LeBron ever wanted to be and more.

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=LostCause]

Btw, how come Bron never won a ring for Cleveland until Kyrie showed up? I

[LostCause]

How come MJ never got past the 1st round until Pippen showed up :confusedshrug:

Will LeBron even make the playoffs in the West without AD or some other AllStar joining? :confusedshrug:

So far it’s a no.

[bullettooth]

https://i.ibb.co/9Wx44Zw/Screen-Shot-2019-05-14-at-5-40-50-AM.png

https://i.postimg.cc/k5XJ92Lg/jabroni-lames-defense.gif

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/5w2fFuVr3v3E28Pggu/source.gif

[Duncan21formvp]

Ben Wallace, Shaq, Shane Battier to name a few players.

[Ca$H]

Wade

3

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Ca$H]Wade

3

[superduper]

Kuzma by pushing LeGOAT into position.

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:

Anyone?

17 seasons and finally he gets an defensive anchor (Davis) meanwhile others played with MULTIPLE their whole career

i.e Jordan with Pippen + Rodman

[HylianNightmare]

He cant even defend his own position. Durant, kawhi, Iggy all fmvp against him. Even in 09, maybe he should have adverted his elite defense on dwight who was the main reason the cavs Got smoked. Or...unless....he actually cant guard 1-5...gasp...
Exactly my man out here gifting finals MVP2 opposing team small forward and we're talking about him as a defensive player you're right

[warriorfan]

IncelJam with another one

The facts are LeBron could have whoever he wanted for most of his career....he chose shooters and other offensive superstars instead. Let

[Bronbron23]

Didn't Lebron stans kept saying he can guard all 5 positions?
Gawd, right?
Why does he need a defensive anchor then?
Why the fvck you guys have to lower the level of your gawd and ask for help, ask for a defensive anchor?
Not at the same time though dude

[superduper]

Not at the same time though dude

Defensive anchors dont guard 5 people at the same time

[3ball]

Zydrunas 2.5 blk
Mosgov 1.5 blk
Shaq 1.5 blk

Corzine 0.8 blk
Cartwright 0.5 blk


So Lebron had far more defensive anchors

In addition to better rim protection, Lebron also had more good bangers/rebounders than just Horace Grant (Tristan, Gooden, Varejao, Mosgov, Zydrunas, Shaq, Birdman, Haslem, Chandler, Love, Bosh), and better athletic guards than Kerr/Paxson (Shumpert, Chalmers, JR Smith).

To summarize, Lebron had better 1) rim protection/defensive anchors (thread title), 2) more good rebounders 3) better athletic guards, and 4) more guys with all-defense experience (aka Battier/Wade/Varejao/Hughes versus Pip/Grant/Rodman for MJ).. These 4 reasons explain why his teams ranked equal or higher defensively than MJ's.
.

[Bronbron23]

Defensive anchors dont guard 5 people at the same time
I was referring to him saying Bron can gaurd 1-5 positions. Personally I don't agree with this. He can't gaurd centers but even if he can gaurd 1-4 you can't expect him to defend everyone. Everyone needs help defensively

[knicksman]

the defensive anchors are the 2nd options. If you want your team to succeed, then have your 1st option take as less of responsibility as possible. You dont want to burden him that much because there are 5 players on the court. And thats why lebron is the defensive anchor because hes the 2nd option masquerading as 1st option.

[egokiller]

Wheels once again shitting on lebron without even realizing it. :oldlol:

Implying lebron is a joke on defense and therefore needs an anchor.

[Manny98]

Wheels once again shitting on lebron without even realizing it. :oldlol:

Implying lebron is a joke on defense and therefore needs an anchor.
LeBron was the anchor of his own defense whilst MJ needed Pippen

[AirBonner]

LeAnchor

[Rico2016]

MJ gets Pippen
Kobe gets Shaq
Duncan gets Kawhi

LeBron gets...Love

[3ball]

MJ gets Pippen
Kobe gets Shaq
Duncan gets Kawhi

LeBron gets...Love
Lebron had much better rim protection, rebounders, and athletic guards, which is why his teams had equal or better defensive rankings than MJ's for their entire careers.

How am I wrong... Aren't Shumpert, JR Smith, Chalmers and Allen a lot more athletic than Kerr, Paxson, and BJ?... And the Bulls only had 1 good rebounder in Grant, whilst Lebron had Zydrunas, Shaq, Varejao, Tristan, Bosh, Love, Gooden, and many more.. Plus the rim protection isn't close.. Again, that's why Lebron had equal or better team defense as Jordan

[bison]

Lebron

[bison]

AD strong to the basket.

Lithuania Kings can’t defend it

[SpaceJam2]

MJ gets Pippen
Kobe gets Shaq
Duncan gets Kawhi

LeBron gets...Love

THANK YOU

Someone gets it

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:

Anyone?

[egokiller]

LeBron was the anchor of his own defense whilst MJ needed Pippen

Lebron came into the league with all star defensive anchor big Z already on the team. MJ molded Pippen into the defender he became. No comparison. :applause:

[3ball]

Lebron had better rim protection



Zydrunas 2.5 blk
Mosgov 1.5 blk
Shaq 1.5 blk

Corzine 0.8 blk
Cartwright 0.5 blk



Lebron had more good bangers/rebounders



Horace
Rodman


Love
Bosh
Gooden
D Marshall
Tristan
Haslem
Zydrunas
Mosgov
Shaq
Birdman



Lebron has more athletic guards



Shumpert
JR Smith
Chalmers

Kerr
Paxson
BJ



^^^ Lebron's better rim protection, rebounders and athletic guards are why his teams had equal or better defensive ranking as Jordan's teams

[SpaceJam2]

So the best we have is a 34 year old Battier for 1 year :lol His minutes DROPPED big time after 2012 from 33 mpg to 17 mpg in 2013, to 12 mpg in 2014.

:eek:

So the best we have is a 34 year old Battier for 1 year..

Are you TRYING to prove my point? :roll:

Guys?

[SpaceJam2]

Lebron had better rim protection



Zydrunas 2.5 blk
Mosgov 1.5 blk
Shaq 1.5 blk

Corzine 0.8 blk
Cartwright 0.5 blk



Lebron had more good bangers/rebounders



Horace
Rodman


Love
Bosh
Gooden
D Marshall
Tristan
Haslem
Zydrunas
Mosgov
Shaq
Birdman



Lebron has more athletic guards



Shumpert
JR Smith
Chalmers

Kerr
Paxson
BJ



^^^ Lebron's better rim protection, rebounders and athletic guards are why his teams had equal or better defensive ranking as Jordan's teams

We know Jordan had Pippen and Rodman.

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[Vino24]

Apparently Mosgov :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Apparently Mosgov :roll: :roll: :roll:

:lol :lol :lol

Love it. 3ball ethered again

Would you rather have Mosgov for 1 year or Pippen for 13 years and Rodman for 5

[3ball]

Apparently Mosgov :roll: :roll: :roll:
Most shot BPG by a Lebron or MJ center:

Mosgov 1.5

Corzine 0.8



So Mosgov is twice the defensive anchor of anyone MJ ever had

[SpaceJam2]

Most shot BPG by a Lebron or MJ center:

Mosgov 1.5

Corzine 0.8



So Mosgov is twice the defensive anchor of anyone MJ ever had

We know Jordan had Pippen and Rodman.

Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[Manny98]

Most shot BPG by a Lebron or MJ center:

Mosgov 1.5

Corzine 0.8



So Mosgov is twice the defensive anchor of anyone MJ ever had
MJ had Jawann Oldham his first two seasons who averaged 4 blocks per game per 36

LeBron never had a bigman that could protect the rim as well as him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar80NJGkPRw :eek:

Oldham > Mozgov and Big Z combined

[Rico2016]

MJ had Jawann Oldham his first two seasons who averaged 4 blocks per game per 36

LeBron never had a bigman that could protect the rim as well as him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar80NJGkPRw :eek:

Oldham > Mozgov and Big Z combined

This is exactly what I was talking about. The more these Jordan Fan Boys speak about MJ the more his mystique is unraveled. You eventually find out that MJ was a great scorer at the elite level, but he had tons and tons of help while playing against a weak opposition. Nothing impressive about that.

[FromDowntown]

In 2016 it was him without measure but in 2012 it was definitely Battier, they stuck Battier on KD for a lot of that series. In 2018 it was supposed to be Shumpert but that didnt work. And for 2013 they had Chris Anderson patrolling the rim paint.

[Manny98]

Lebron came into the league with all star defensive anchor big Z already on the team. MJ molded Pippen into the defender he became. No comparison. :applause:
MJ came into the league with Jawann Oldham, one of the greatest rim protectors the league has ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar80NJGkPRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trFnnfHvP2Y

[egokiller]

MJ came into the league with Jawann Oldham, one of the greatest rim protectors the league has ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar80NJGkPRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trFnnfHvP2Y

Who was an all-star on MJ's team when he was a rookie? No one. Not everyone gets to have the advantage of Lebron and start off in the league with an all-star (2003 big Z) already on your team...

[SpaceJam2]

Pippen not only outscored the 2nd option in 5/6 finals but was a 1st team defensive 8

[SpaceJam2]

This is exactly what I was talking about. The more these Jordan Fan Boys speak about MJ the more his mystique is unraveled. You eventually find out that MJ was a great scorer at the elite level, but he had tons and tons of help while playing against a weak opposition. Nothing impressive about that.
Pippen not only outscored the 2nd option in 5/6 finals but was a 1st team defensive 8

[G0ATbe]

Bosh I guess. And his rim protection was so bad Heat tried to bring in the likes of Greg Oden to be the savior. Routinely made Hibbert look like an all time great.

[SpaceJam2]

Bosh I guess. And his rim protection was so bad Heat tried to bring in the likes of Greg Oden to be the savior. Routinely made Hibbert look like an all time great.

Dont forget Joel Anthony :lol

6'9 center that cannot shoot

[Trollsmasher]

MJ came into the league with Jawann Oldham, one of the greatest rim protectors the league has ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar80NJGkPRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trFnnfHvP2Y
never even heard of this guy and yet he put up better rim protection just in that first video than any Lebron's center teammates (with the exception of this year) over the course of their entire careers:bowdown:

#stacked

[Ainosterhaspie]

Dont forget Joel Anthony :lol

6'9 center that cannot shoot
Can't shoot? I wish that was his only offensive problem. Dude could barely catch. He was lucky if he could even put a shot up.

[Ainosterhaspie]

I can't believe I'm seeing people post block stats like thats a good measure of a defender. McGee gets plenty of blocks but he's an atrocious defender because he's constantly out of position. Sells out for blocks and hurts team defense because of it. Blocks are a bad way of measuring who's a defensive anchor.

By the way, that comment shouldn't be interpreted to mean James doesn't have excellent defensive help (Davis and surprisingly a resurgent Howard) this season.

[Ainosterhaspie]

And the Bulls only had 1 good rebounder in Grant
:facepalm

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron had Ben Wallace and Dwight both of which are 4x DPOY Players. :roll: He also had a 3x finals mvp winner in Shaq and league mvp winner as well as Finals Historic MVP winner in Wade.:eek:

[SpaceJam2]

Can't shoot? I wish that was his only offensive problem. Dude could barely catch. He was lucky if he could even put a shot up.


True :lol

[BallsOut]

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

You damn right he is
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kyle Kuzma. Look at how he anchors the defenses and even directs LeBron when he forgot to close out in his man. What a generous teacher Kyle is.

[SpaceJam2]

So who?

[superduper]

So who?

Keep bumping your garbage threads bro maybe it'll give you a purpose in life

https://i.giphy.com/media/7Toe9ML7M9aw7Sd3f6/source.gif

[SpaceJam2]

Guys?

[SpaceJam2]

Food for thought: Kobe is a NEGATIVE in playoff DBPM (-0.3) and has a worse DRtg than Jordan and LeBron

Defensive Playoff Statistics (Kobe/MJ fans may want to look away)

DefRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104
Kobe: 106

DBPM
LBJ: 3.2
MJ: 2.1
Kobe: -0.3 :lol

DWS
LBJ: 15.9
MJ: 12.4
Kobe: 7.3

LBJ is ranked 1st in all
Kobe is ranked last in all

LBJ > MJ > Kobe

[3ball]

Food for thought: Kobe is a NEGATIVE in playoff DBPM (-0.3) and has a worse DRtg than Jordan and LeBron

Defensive Playoff Statistics (Kobe/MJ fans may want to look away)

DefRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104
Kobe: 106

DBPM
LBJ: 3.2
MJ: 2.1
Kobe: -0.3 :lol

DWS
LBJ: 15.9
MJ: 12.4
Kobe: 7.3

LBJ is ranked 1st in all
Kobe is ranked last in all

LBJ > MJ > Kobe
Regular Season DefRtg:

Bird: 101
Lebron: 103


Regular Season DBPM:

Bird: 2.2
Lebron: 1.9


Playoffs DefRtg:

Bird: 102
Lebron: 102


Playoffs DBPM:

Bird: 3.4
Lebron: 3.2


And DWS is based on games played, so Lebron is ahead in that category

So again, DefRtg and DBPM favor defensive rebounders, hence Bird having higher numbers than Lebron, and Lebron having higher numbers than Kobe

So those stats are garbage because they favor frontcourt players - and the creators of the stat concede as much

[SpaceJam2]

Regular Season DefRtg:

Bird: 101
Lebron: 103


Regular Season DBPM:

Bird: 2.2
Lebron: 1.9


Playoffs DefRtg:

Bird: 102
Lebron: 102


Playoffs DBPM:

Bird: 3.4
Lebron: 3.2


And DWS is based on games played, so Lebron is ahead in that category

So again, DefRtg and DBPM favor defensive rebounders, hence Bird having higher numbers than Lebron, and Lebron having higher numbers than Kobe

So those stats are garbage because they favor frontcourt players - and the creators of the stat concede as much

So

Bird
LeBron
Kawhi
Draymond
Jordan
Kobe

on defense. Nice

[warriorfan]

It’s well known that all those stats are horrible at gauging defensive impact. IncelJam knows so little about the game that it’s downright embarrassing.

[3ball]

So

Bird
LBJ
Kawhi
Draymond
MJ
Kobe

Thanks


I have Bird #2 all-time

He was savvy, all-nba defender that averaged 2 steals, and therefore a 2-way assassin and versatile scorer - those are the best player types that result in maximization of teammates/brand/team ceiling, and that's why MJ, Bird, and Kobe are #1, 2, and 3 all-time..

The goat physical bigs are next (Wilt/Shaq), with the bird-feeders (magic) next in line ahead of the bird-fed (Kareem/Russell)… The team-hoppers/super-team seekers are next and round out the top 11 (Lebron/KD).. However, I stick Duncan ahead of Kareem/Russell because he was less bird-fed, aka didn't need great perimeter players to have great teams (and his carry-job in 03' was Jordan-esque).

But again, the defensive advanced stats are weakened because they favor defensive rebounders over actual defense.. Otoh, ortg and obpm are accurate stats as far as raw offensive production/efficiency because all the offensive metrics are covered in those stats.
.

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=3ball]I have Bird #2 all-time

He was savvy, all-nba defender that averaged 2 steals, and therefore a 2-way assassin and versatile scorer - those are the best player types that result in maximization of teammates/brand/team ceiling, and that's why MJ, Bird, and Kobe are #1, 2, and 3 all-time..

The goat physical bigs are next (Wilt/Shaq), with the bird-feeders (magic) next in line ahead of the bird-fed (Kareem/Russell)

[3ball]

# of players with 6 rings: 20
# of players with 6,000 playoff points: 1


how many have 6 rings as "the man"

waiting

[SpaceJam2]

how many have 6 rings as "the man"

waiting


Russell has 11 ... stop it :lol

Rookie

[SpaceJam2]

Players with 6 rings: 13 :(

Players with 7 rings: 9

Players with 8 rings: 6

Players with 10 rings: 2

Players with 11 rings: 1

Players with 6,000 playoff points: 1 (LeBron)

Got it?

[Rico2016]

Anthony Davis

[Turbo Slayer]

bump

[Turbo Slayer]

:lol bump

[nayte]

It's a dumb thread but I'm bored so who doesn't know that drtg doesn't carry across eras . It's common knowledge but anyways have fun crew

[RealSkipBayless]

Bron went 16 seasons without one. :eek:

[SpaceJam2]

# of players with 6 rings: 15
# of players with 6,000 playoff points: 1

LeBar has been set


https://i.postimg.cc/9M4CH92H/BronBron_1.jpg

Good luck bud

https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg

Anyone around?

[TheCorporation]

Bron went 16 seasons without one. :eek:

Wild

[Da_Realist]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pzH3-Ak7Acc

[HylianNightmare]

Mr 1-5 himself

[FireDavidKahn]

Matthew Dellavedova was probably the best one..

Imagine if he had someone like Scottie:pimp:

[highwhey]

Matthew Dellavedova was probably the best one..

Imagine if he had someone like Scottie:pimp:

Chip every year

[TheCorporation]

Matthew Dellavedova was probably the best one..

Imagine if he had someone like Scottie:pimp:

Chip every year 100%

[Spurs m8]

There's no way this incel isn't paid to do this lmfao

[TheCorporation]

Mr 1-5 himself

So he had no help? I see.

[Airupthere]

Lebron's best defensive anchor is recruiting competition to be his teammates to leave a wide open lane to the finals.

[Shooter]

Aftet his pitiful 1-9 blunder Jordan had Pippen for his entire career


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...

Guys?

[3ba11]

.
Lebron wasn't all defense in his 30's....... AT ALL

:yaohappy:

all-time 2-way player doh... :hammerhead:.. :whatever:

[WhiteKyrie]

Idk usually MJ, Pip, Hakeem, D-Rob, Shaq, Kobe, Wade, Artest, KG, Kawhi, and AD were their teams defensive anchors together. Post Jordan, the standard should be your best player is the guy on both sides of the ball.

[Shooter]

.
Lebron wasn't all defense in his 30's....... AT ALL

:yaohappy:

all-time 2-way player doh... :hammerhead:.. :whatever:

Hi buddy. Don't run from me like you always do, ok?

After a pitiful 1-9 blunder Jordan had Pippen for his entire career as his defensive anchor.


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had?

[Baller789]

Hi buddy. Don't run from me like you always do, ok?

After a pitiful 1-9 blunder Jordan had Pippen for his entire career as his defensive anchor.


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had?

Easy.

Collusion.

[Full Court]

There's no way this incel isn't paid to do this lmfao

You're giving him way too much credit. Lol. Nobody's going to pay someone to post who's so dumb that they end up making the subject they're supposed to prop up look bad.

[Shooter]

Don't run from me like you always do, ok?

After a pitiful 1-9 blunder Jordan had Pippen for his entire career as his defensive anchor.


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[Baller789]

Don't run from me like you always do, ok?

After a pitiful 1-9 blunder Jordan had Pippen for his entire career as his defensive anchor.


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

Hi 8ball.

[Shooter]

Hi 8ball.

Hi. Do you have an answer? I never lose an argument and you've provided zero responses or rebuttals, I am undefeated on ISH.


After a pitiful 1-9 blunder Jordan had Pippen for his entire career as his defensive anchor.


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


Who was LeBron's defensive anchor?

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan had Pippen for his entire career (1-9 prior)


Kobe had Shaq, and then Ariza/Artest


Magic had Kareem


Curry had Draymond


Duncan had DRob/Bowen/Kawhi


LeBron had...? :confusedshrug:

Ben Wallace 4x Dpoy, Shaq, Dwight Howard 3x Dpoy. Lebron has played with 7x Dpoy winners. These are facts!