Bernie Sanders would allow Terrorists, Rapists, Murderers, or any felon to Vote

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsq8JcJ2254



What do the level-headed Democrats of ISH think about this? How would a victim of the Boston Marathon bombing feel knowing that someone who has committed so much harm to others is allowed to influence policy from behind bars?

[dude77]

saw that .. bernie proving he's going senile

[Patrick Chewing]

saw that .. bernie proving he's going senile

I think what's more telling is that Kamala Harris was asked the same question based on Bernie's response, and she avoided giving a straight answer by saying that we should have a conversation about it.


No, no we shouldn't.

[Kblaze8855]

Explain to me the nature of your objection to the people who run the country having a conversation about aspects of democracy.

People talking bothers you even if they come to the conclusion that they don

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Explain to me the nature of your objection to the people who run the country having a conversation about aspects of democracy.

People talking bothers you even if they come to the conclusion that they don

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Explain to me the nature of your objection to the people who run the country having a conversation about aspects of democracy.

People talking bothers you even if they come to the conclusion that they don

[Patrick Chewing]

I mean look at how Bernie prefaced his response. He prefaced it by saying that there are forces at work in the Republican Party who are actively trying to suppress voters.

That just isn't true in the slightest.

So Bernie is using that false accusation to drum up some emotion, so that when he says everyone should have the right to vote, everyone in the audience agrees and claps, cause in the back of their mind they're thinking that the big bad Republicans want to suppress voters.

Classic trickery. Low-IQ voters will fall for it.

[coin24]

Don't blacks make up a large portion of the prison numbers and felons? And don't they blindly love the democrats for some reason?

Sensing a trend here :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Democrats obviously believe that criminals lean Democrat.

[Stephonit]

America's Founding Fathers were idiots. Imagine giving common folk the right to vote! What insanity! Only nobles with the breeding, culture, education, and wealth should be allowed to run the country.

[Patrick Chewing]

So we literally have three new voter groups that would start voting after 2020 if a Democrat takes office.


1. Prisoners
2. 16 years of age and up
3. Illegal immigrants


All three voter groups being championed by mostly all the Democratic candidates.

[DukeDelonte13]

It's historically been a state issue but I believe there should be a unified rule.

And personally I believe that if you are a citizen of this country, no matter what you do or have done, you should have a right to vote that is automatically restored if your debt to society is paid off.

I think most states allow felons to vote after they have paid their debts to society, some make them file to get that right back, some states permanently ban, and some states let you vote no matter what.

[NumberSix]

America's Founding Fathers were idiots. Imagine giving common folk the right to vote! What insanity! Only nobles with the breeding, culture, education, and wealth should be allowed to run the country.
The founding fathers actually didn’t give “common folk” the right to vote. There were actually pretty strict requirements for who qualified to be able to vote.

I know you’re being sarcastic, but even in being sarcastic the point isn’t accurate.

[NumberSix]

It's historically been a state issue but I believe there should be a unified rule.

And personally I believe that if you are a citizen of this country, no matter what you do or have done, you should have a right to vote that is automatically restored if your debt to society is paid off.

I think most states allow felons to vote after they have paid their debts to society, some make them file to get that right back, some states permanently ban, and some states let you vote no matter what.
Do you think felons

[dunksby]

America's Founding Fathers were idiots. Imagine giving common folk the right to vote! What insanity! Only nobles with the breeding, culture, education, and wealth should be allowed to run the country.
They didn't let women vote though or anybody who didn't own land :lol

[DukeDelonte13]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Do you think felons

[Kblaze8855]

Pat it seems youre saying your main objection is democrats using this to gain votes....which would seem to make your stance based on the same thing you accuse Bernie of. Choosing a position to benefit his political agenda. If im wrong let me know...but that seems to be your key issue. Bernies motivations.


Do you think felons’ 2nd amendment rights should be reinstated too?


I dont have much of a problem with that. Not all felons are created equal. You should google some of the weird shit that made people felons. There was a guy who got 6 months in jail and classified a felon for violating the wilderness act. He got lost snowmobiling in a blizzard in colorado and accidentally rode it into a national parks protected area....because he couldnt see the trails.

Ever watch the Wire? If so....they charged a character with what they called the headshot. Its a real world law where if you apply for a loan using borrowed money to prove you have the income to repay it...youre facing 30 years in prison. Its bank fraud and a federal crime because so many loans are backed by the FDIC.

Its rarely prosecuted because its used to flip whoever the target is to get someone else....but its a legit real world crime that people get charged with and become felons if they fight it and lose.

Im not worried about if some guy who borrowed money from his parents to qualify for a loan has a gun. Or Martha Stewart. Hell....most weed dealers.

I care if someone we can assume is dangerous has a gun and that isnt always a matter of law. Id sign on for giving most felons gun rights if we stop playing stupid and waiting for people communicating with ISIS to actually attack before taking their guns. Would it stop the guy from doing something crazy? Maybe not. But slow him down. Make it tougher. Keep an eye on him and let him know you know.

We wait till a guy snaps trying to favor the principle of law over common sense.

On that one what Trump said makes sense. confiscate then figure out if hes a nut.

People are so worried about the slippery slope though they would sign off on a potential terrorist keeping gun rights because hes not a terrorist till he kills 40 people at a state fair.

Theres a common sense middle ground on all these issues but both sides cling so hard to the fringe they wont even look for it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's all part of the liberal plot. After they steal the election with their billions of suffraging axe murderers they will replace the constitution with sodomy and then force you to eat tofu.

[Patrick Chewing]

Pat it seems youre saying your main objection is democrats using this to gain votes....which would seem to make your stance based on the same thing you accuse Bernie of. Choosing a position to benefit his political agenda. If im wrong let me know...but that seems to be your key issue. Bernies motivations.




My position is to leave it as is, or to leave it up to the States. To the people. There is no political agenda there. So in essence, sure, we can have a conversation about it. Or, we can use common sense and use a "If it ain't broke" mentality and continue to keep it as is. Mayor Pete seems to feel that way too.

But again, I want to stress this, Bernie Sanders is a senile old man. He is truly not thinking about the Constitution and really doesn't care about criminals and is showing he doesn't care about the victims of these criminals either. This is all about pinning the Republicans against the voter. To paint a picture that voter suppression is real, and to create new voters in the process.

[Patrick Chewing]

I dont have much of a problem with that. Not all felons are created equal.


Any felon that was convicted of a violent gun crime shouldn't be allowed to own a gun again.


This is not all black and white as some of you make it out to be. Every case would have to be viewed on a case by case basis. Sounds like it would only create more legal issues down the road. Who the hell wants that?

[NumberSix]

My position is to leave it as is, or to leave it up to the States. To the people. There is no political agenda there. So in essence, sure, we can have a conversation about it. Or, we can use common sense and use a "If it ain't broke" mentality and continue to keep it as is. Mayor Pete seems to feel that way too.

But again, I want to stress this, Bernie Sanders is a senile old man. He is truly not thinking about the Constitution and really doesn't care about criminals and is showing he doesn't care about the victims of these criminals either. This is all about pinning the Republicans against the voter. To paint a picture that voter suppression is real, and to create new voters in the process.
Bernie Sanders isn

[Kblaze8855]

Of course it isnt black and white. Thats almost always my point. We stick to teams like the truth isnt always somewhere in the middle.

[Smoke117]

I don't have any problem with felons voting after they served their debt to society and are released, but they should absolutely not be allowed to vote while they are behind bars. That's just ludicrous.

[egokiller]

Don't blacks make up a large portion of the prison numbers and felons? And don't they blindly love the democrats for some reason?

Sensing a trend here :oldlol:

There was some video where people on the street were asked why they supported Obama like "what do you think about Obama's Medicare Part D prescription drug program" which was a program created by Bush. Answers were: "Oh it's a great program, thank goodness for Obama."

Other questions were along the lines of "was it bad for Bush to organize the Trans-Pacific Partnership?" which was created by Obama. Answers were, "yep, it was a bad idea." Had they said it was organized by Obama, they would have said "oh it was a great idea."

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Sheep will continue to sheep.

Obama added $9.6 trillion to the debt, while Bush added $5.8 trillion. Both were losers.

[Jasper]

I did not hear Sanders actually say that on the youtube vid, but it doesn't matter, I would not vote for him.
Prisoners lose all rights until they serve their time , then they can vote(.)

[Jasper]

There was some video where people on the street were asked why they supported Obama like "what do you think about Obama's Medicare Part D prescription drug program" which was a program created by Bush. Answers were: "Oh it's a great program, thank goodness for Obama."

Other questions were along the lines of "was it bad for Bush to organize the Trans-Pacific Partnership?" which was created by Obama. Answers were, "yep, it was a bad idea." Had they said it was organized by Obama, they would have said "oh it was a great idea."

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Sheep will continue to sheep.

Obama added $9.6 trillion to the debt, while Bush added $5.8 trillion. Both were losers.
You forgot Obama took us out of recession , while not only did Bush put us in a war his administration lied to the US people , but also lost tons of jobs , and homes went into foreclosure. Banks dissolved and GNP dropped its as$.
Bush was one of the worse presidents in the history of the US and yet people where so enamored over this dick head , he was elected a 2nd term , to continue fuking our country.

[Hotlantadude81]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Do you think felons

[diamenz]

what i found funny about that town hall was that cnn lobbed more msm 'gotcha' questions at sanders than fox did during theirs. so fox did a more professional job working with a self proclaimed democratic socialist than cnn. ain't that some shit? so sanders is essentially running against the dnc, the msm, the republicans and trump. lol, that also brings to light how trump beat them all in 2016.

[tpols]

tio arent you an ex con?

dont throw stones in a glass casa.

[Patrick Chewing]

My position is to leave it as is, or to leave it up to the States. To the people. There is no political agenda there. So in essence, sure, we can have a conversation about it. Or, we can use common sense and use a "If it ain't broke" mentality and continue to keep it as is. Mayor Pete seems to feel that way too.

But again, I want to stress this, Bernie Sanders is a senile old man. He is truly not thinking about the Constitution and really doesn't care about criminals and is showing he doesn't care about the victims of these criminals either. This is all about pinning the Republicans against the voter. To paint a picture that voter suppression is real, and to create new voters in the process.


I don't tout myself as a genius, but the Democrats are just too predictable....


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[Patrick Chewing]

tio arent you an ex con?

dont throw stones in a glass casa.


Rehabilitated and reinvigorated. Out of the pen for over 10 years now.


Free at last. Thank God almighty, I'm free at last.


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As I stated, I am in favor for voting rights being restored when you are back in the civilized world. If you're paying taxes, you better have the right to vote.

[iamgine]

I think the number of serious offenders are relatively very small that it doesn't matter if they vote or not. I really don't have any feeling towards the principle of them being allowed or not allowed to vote. They still have some basic rights, like the right to live. If you want to extend that to voting, by all means.

I think this is one of those non-issue that pulls at people's heartstrings but actually doesn't matter either way.

[tpols]

Rehabilitated and reinvigorated. Out of the pen for over 10 years now.


Free at last. Thank God almighty, I'm free at last.


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As I stated, I am in favor for voting rights being restored when you are back in the civilized world. If you're paying taxes, you better have the right to vote.


:roll:

good shit

[Kblaze8855]

I don't tout myself as a genius, but the Democrats are just too predictable....


https://i.ibb.co/1vfm22y/bernie.png


You act like you predicted some new subject of discussion. Thats been a discussed issue for years. And its been picking up lately. Look at the news thats been coming out of Florida. Its pretty clear why some are trying to slow felon enfranchisement there even after their voters voted it in. It isnt outright racism....its just looking at the demographics and who they are likely to vote for in an always close swing state. The state voted to give 1.4 million felons voting rights back. Voted it in with 65% support. With margins as thin as .9% adding over a million voters obviously could swing the state.

Its all politics of course. They're politicians. Im not sure what we expect them to do but play politics.

[Norcaliblunt]

People actually still vote?

[NumberSix]

You act like you predicted some new subject of discussion. Thats been a discussed issue for years.
People who are currently in prison being able to vote? I

[DukeDelonte13]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]People who are currently in prison being able to vote? I

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't think it's insane. You'd be stunned what a lot of people are in prison for. It's not all rapists and murderers.

You can have two people who committed the exact same crime with the exact same circumstances in the same major city in the US, and one guy gets the hard-ass judge, and another guy gets a more lenient judge. One guy gets shipped to prison and the other guy gets a slap on the wrist. How is it fair that only of those people gets to keep their voting rights and the other doesn't, when they were both found guilty of the exact same thing.

That's just an example in the same city. Don't forget about difference in cultures between rural america and big city america. I'm sure a low level felony for drug possession or theft is going to be treated extremely differently in Chicago versus somewhere in rural Illinois, and the opposite of that would be gun possession in chicago versus rural america.

Our criminal justice system is extremely nuanced, and geography and luck of the draw can have a major impact on cases that aren't top tier felonies.

That's why voter disenfranchisement is a very real and legit issue.


But what's the bottom line in all of this? They're in prison. Meaning they broke the law one way or the other and ended up in prison, regardless if they received a harsher sentence than the next guy. They should not be afforded the same rights as those who willfully follow the law and live a productive life and pay taxes. Otherwise, why incarcerate the person in the first place if we're going to get bent out of shape that they lose certain freedoms the second they become incarcerated?

I'd really hate to be the victim of a terrorist bomber knowing that my candidate lost an election, or a new law went into place or vice versa, and the terrorist that harmed me or murdered someone close to me had a hand in the decision.

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]People who are currently in prison being able to vote? I

[DukeDelonte13]

But what's the bottom line in all of this? They're in prison. Meaning they broke the law one way or the other and ended up in prison, regardless if they received a harsher sentence than the next guy. They should not be afforded the same rights as those who willfully follow the law and live a productive life and pay taxes. Otherwise, why incarcerate the person in the first place if we're going to get bent out of shape that they lose certain freedoms the second they become incarcerated?

I'd really hate to be the victim of a terrorist bomber knowing that my candidate lost an election, or a new law went into place or vice versa, and the terrorist that harmed me or murdered someone close to me had a hand in the decision.


Your totally missing my point which is concerning people who break the law and are caught but don't go to prison.

That's why incarceration in it of itself maybe is an arbitrary factor.

And your example is kinda dumb. "i'd hate to be a victim of a terrorist attack if that guy didn't support the same candidate i did" I mean WTF. What if the terrorist had the exact same political ideals as you and voted for the same losing candidate? You'd be happier?

[Patrick Chewing]

Your totally missing my point which is concerning people who break the law and are caught but don't go to prison.

That's why incarceration in it of itself maybe is an arbitrary factor.

And your example is kinda dumb. "i'd hate to be a victim of a terrorist attack if that guy didn't support the same candidate i did" I mean WTF. What if the terrorist had the exact same political ideals as you and voted for the same losing candidate? You'd be happier?


I think we've established within this thread that if you're not in prison, whether you're a criminal or not, you should still be able to vote. No one's debating that. The line should be drawn at incarceration. And I think you're proving why this would never work due to how different the justice system is each state, county, and city. Who goes to prison and who doesn't is a different debate that in reality should have nothing to do with voting rights.

My example is a hypothetical, but there have already been interviews with victims of the marathon bombing who are appalled at the notion of allowing the bomber to vote. The bleeding heart Liberals of the world will argue that it's a human right, and that it's only fair to allow everyone the same privileges whether incarcerated or not. I would argue that if you are a rapist and a murderer, you cease becoming "human" and you should definitely lose several privileges in life. And life isn't fair or perfect. My two cents.

But, let's put it on the ballot.

[NumberSix]

Your totally missing my point which is concerning people who break the law and are caught but don't go to prison.

That's why incarceration in it of itself maybe is an arbitrary factor.
How is it arbitrary? The entire point of incarceration is that you lose your rights.

That

[Patrick Chewing]

Can you still own and carry a gun while in prison? The right to bear arms is in the Constitution.

[senelcoolidge]

Democrats are desperate for votes. They want to lower the voting age to 12, let terrorist vote, dead people, and of course illegals. Talk about desperation. They know normal people aren't going for their BS.

[qrich]

I could see reinstating right to vote for felons as long as they aren't in prison, on parole or on probation.

If any of those apply, it'd be a slippery slope.

[TheMan]

America's Founding Fathers were idiots. Imagine giving common folk the right to vote! What insanity! Only nobles with the breeding, culture, education, and wealth should be allowed to run the country.
This

:applause:

[TheMan]

Bernie Sanders isn’t who he presents himself to be. The dude was genuinely a communist back when the USSR was still around. And I don’t mean that in the nonsense way that some righties disingenuously called Obama a communist.
Isn't it the communist mindset to NOT let the people vote? Never heard of a communist country that held free and open elections (not talking about the sham of only having one party elections either). How the hell is Bernie a communist and wants MORE people to vote :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

ElHombre, if a prisoner does not lose his right to vote while serving time, then logically, he should not lose his right to own and carry a firearm while in prison as well, right? This isn

[GimmeThat]

imagine being told by the Supreme Court it'll take 4 years till your case is being reviewed and chances of it being postponed for further examination is increasing

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]ElHombre, if a prisoner does not lose his right to vote while serving time, then logically, he should not lose his right to own and carry a firearm while in prison as well, right? This isn

[Hawker]

Two completely different issues, voting is not on the same plane as gun ownership. An "i voted" sticker is a lot different than a device specifically designed to kill other human beings.

I don't know how other states work but here if you are convicted of a felony which causes you to not to be able to own a gun you can apply in court to have that restriction lifted. You make your case, the state has an option to object if they want to, and a judge makes the decision. I'm fine with that.

It's not a completely different issue since owning a gun is a constitutional right.

[Ben Simmons 25]

edit : lol, enjoy that one mods

[diamenz]

how about someone caught with a kilo - should they have their voting rights revoked? i personally don't think so.

a child molestor or the boston bomber? i really don't give a shit, let them vote too. although i will say they should be gang raped and murdered in the worst way behind bars. that'll take their voting rights away without an argument, ha.

what about other felons - computer hackers, b&e career criminals, folks buying guns on the dark web? are we gonna make individual laws for every felony offense in the book?

i just don't see it as a big deal. well, i suppose those on death row shouldn't be allowed a vote. i think we could all agree to that making sense.

[NumberSix]

Isn't it the communist mindset to NOT let the people vote?
Yeah, AFTER they

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

That is most un-Christian of you, Pat, to refer to human beings as "terrorists, rapists, murderers." There are people who are engaged in violent acts, there are people who may succumb to their carnal desires and do that, and there are people who may kill out of anger--but to label them that definitively as if that constitutes their whole personality---I mean who exactly are you, Pat, to condemn these people? Are you perfect?


Doors of repentance are wide open until our death.

[Patrick Chewing]

That is most un-Christian of you, Pat, to refer to human beings as "terrorists, rapists, murderers." There are people who are engaged in violent acts, there are people who may succumb to their carnal desires and do that, and there are people who may kill out of anger--but to label them that definitively as if that constitutes their whole personality---I mean who exactly are you, Pat, to condemn these people? Are you perfect?


Doors of repentance are wide open until our death.


:coleman:

[Smoke117]

Isn't Bernie Sanders like 80 years old? What is this dementia ridden walking corpse doing running for President? :biggums: