Anytime MJ tried, he was good at 3-pointers

[3ball]

MJ took less than 1.5 threes every year (mostly bailouts), except 2 years where he decided to dabble in threes and took over 3 attempts.- voila - he shot 35.2 and 37.6% (90' and 93')

He also shot 43% on threes during the 91-93 Finals on 3.3 attempts (24-57)...

But he was only 2-4 in the 1991 Finals - so for just the 92/93 Finals, he was 22-53, or 41% on 4.2 attempts.. :eek:

Indeed, MJ's elite FT shooting, along with his goat form and midrange shooting translates to 3-pointers anytime he tried... :confusedshrug: .. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Vino24]

Not difficult considering defenses consisted of nothing but packing the paint

[red1]

next OP will tell us that MJ is a naturally better shooter than curry but he just didn't need to practice that :rolleyes:

[3ball]

next OP will tell us that MJ is a naturally better shooter than curry but he just didn't need to practice that :rolleyes:
^^ Shook..... :yaohappy:

[Vino24]

next OP will tell us that MJ is a naturally better shooter than curry but he just didn't need to practice that :rolleyes:
OP doesn't dare touch the Curry shooting topic because Curry's stats alone will push his shit in

[red1]

Shook.. :yaohappy:
Not really - you're the same guy who thinks the 2009-2010 cleveland supporting casts are equal to MJ's championship casts :roll:



And no I'm not being passive aggressive - that shit is laughable to anyone with a brain. :yaohappy:

[3ball]

Not really - you're the same guy who thinks the 2009-2010 cleveland supporting casts are equal to MJ's championship casts :roll:

:
I would never say that.. However, on paper, his 2010 cast specifically > MJ's 1998 cast, and his 91-93 casts

But when you consider teamwork and brand of basketball, it's like comparing a 9th dan karate master to a beginning white belt

And Lebron's 04-09' casts > 85-89'...... during that span, MJ had zero players with any accolades, while Lebron had 2 all-stars, and 1 all-league defender - that's why lebron won more games despite worse stats than mj

[red1]

I would never say that.. However, on paper, his 2010 cast specifically > MJ's 1998 cast, and his 91-93 casts

But when you consider teamwork and brand of basketball, it's like comparing a 9th dan karate master to a beginning white belt

And Lebron's 04-09' casts > 85-89'...... during that span, MJ had zero players with any accolades, while Lebron had 2 all-stars, and 1 all-league defender - that's why lebron won more games despite worse stats than mj
no man I remember the threads. you were saying that varejao and old z and delonte and mo williams were equivalent to pippen and grant and kukoc and rodman later on.

you were saying that lebron had no excuse for taking the 2009 and 2010 cavaliers further, and quite frankly history has shown us that there is no such thing as a one man championship team in the modern NBA.

and you said the 2010 cavs were equal to MJ's championship bulls - that is disgustingly wrong :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Not difficult considering defenses consisted of nothing but packing the paint

:roll:

So true, Jordan is a career 30% three point shooter if we exclude the years the league had a short 3 point line. And I'm not even counting the Wizards years where he shot 24% from 3. :roll:

[egokiller]

MJ took less than 1.5 threes every year (mostly bailouts), except 2 years where he decided to dabble in threes and took over 3 attempts.- voila - he shot 35.2 and 37.6% (90' and 93')

He also shot 43% on threes during the 91-93 Finals on 3.3 attempts (24-57)...

But he was only 2-4 in the 1991 Finals - so for just the 92/93 Finals, he was 22-53, or 41% on 4.2 attempts.. :eek:

Indeed, MJ's elite FT shooting, along with his goat form and midrange shooting translates to 3-pointers anytime he tried... :confusedshrug: .. :bowdown: :bowdown:

This is every impressive considering the offense had to dribble the ball down court with their BACK to the defender, unlike today's defensiveness game where you don't have to do that and if you are anywhere near a 3 point shooter, the whistle blows.

MJ in this era where it's much easier to score is 45 ppg easy. :applause:

[ImKobe]

OP is right on this. You can cite his below 30% seasons where he basically only took half-court heaves or buzzer-beaters, but he was a decent 3PT shooter when he shot them with volume over a long stretch.

1990:37.6%3PT 3.0 3PA
1993:35.2%3PT 2.9 3PA

Those are the only two seasons he took more than 1-1.5 a game, excluding the shortened line. He could clearly shoot the 3 but didn't care much for it. It's hilarious to think that one of the GOAT mid-range shooters couldn't be a decent volume 3PT shooter.

[imdaman99]

I don't like Jordan at all but I'm ok with admitting if he played in the current era, he would not be a demar derozan :lol he would adapt and hit 3s, maybe 2-3 a game. But that being said, he would not be the 50% shooter that he always was.

[egokiller]

OP is right on this. You can cite his below 30% seasons where he basically only took half-court heaves or buzzer-beaters, but he was a decent 3PT shooter when he shot them with volume over a long stretch.

1990:37.6%3PT 3.0 3PA
1993:35.2%3PT 2.9 3PA

Those are the only two seasons he took more than 1-1.5 a game, excluding the shortened line. He could clearly shoot the 3 but didn't care much for it. It's hilarious to think that one of the GOAT mid-range shooters couldn't be a decent volume 3PT shooter.

It's equally hilarious to think that a guy who mastered any aspect of his sport that he practiced would somehow not be a decent volume 3PT shooter if he decided to spend time on it.

Late millennial thought process typically says otherwise. Go figure. :lol

[And1AllDay]

Not difficult considering defenses consisted of nothing but packing the paint

And shortened 3 pointer line

[LAmbruh]

Not difficult considering defenses consisted of nothing but packing the paint
:yaohappy:


what a coincidence MJ only started trying when the 3 point line was scooted closer to WNBA regulation :oldlol:

[bigkingsfan]

We all saw the three point contest.

[LostCause]

>Op cites Jordan’s best years excluding shortened line seasons to make a valid assertion

>Bron stains ignore that and talk about the shortened line seasons

ISH in a nutshell

[RRR3]

So why did he only “try” in those select seasons?

Seems like he had extremely low IQ.

[red1]

not gonna lie I used to be a huge mj stan because I love his "story" of hard work and determination. the more I think of it though the more I see that he just feasted on scrubs.


again, MJ was the type of guy who cheated against old ladies in cards - of course he'd have no problem of building a legacy against inferior players.

[LAmbruh]

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[egokiller]

[QUOTE=LostCause]>Op cites Jordan

[SpaceJam2]

We all saw the three point contest.

:roll: :roll:

Dont do em like that :dancin

[scuzzy]

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:roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/Qxysd3Dc/womenstee.png

:roll:

Wow is this tru

Can anyone confirm?

[sdot_thadon]

Crazy, it's almost as if Op never heard of the term outlier. Look it up. Profit.:oldlol:

[Rico2016]

Crazy, it's almost as if Op never heard of the term outlier. Look it up. Profit.:oldlol:

:roll:

[FKAri]

Anytime I tried, I could hit a jumper over an NBA player. So what if I only tried on one possession vs a distracted Rick Brunson who wasn't really in position to contest in a meaningless pick up game at the gym? I hit the shot. I never tried any other time but I know that if I chose to, I'd hit the shot over any NBA player. Every time.

[And1AllDay]

:yaohappy:


what a coincidence MJ only started trying when the 3 point line was scooted closer to WNBA regulation :oldlol:

:oldlol: :roll: :roll:

[DaHeezy]

Good lord. OP does this same "if Jordan tried" narrative every year. He always takes a small sample size and exploits it as if it is some sort of definitive. It's called an anomaly. No professional in any sport, job, or career just occasionally tries when he wants to a major component of their job.

3ball is a ****ing imbecile. I don't know why people still give him the time of day entertaining him.

[And1AllDay]

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3baLLLLLLLLLL ??? :eek:

[3ball]

Crazy, it's almost as if Op never heard of the term outlier. Look it up. Profit.:oldlol:
164 games is an outlier?

Go back to school bud

[Smoke117]

I guess anything MJ tried he was good at?...well, except gambling...just ask his father...oh, we can't.

[SpaceJam2]

I guess anything MJ tried he was good at?...well, except gambling...just ask his father...oh, we can't.

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[Mr.GOAT2408]

No one was jacking up 3s in those days not to mention because teams weren't shooting as many 3s there was less of an incentive to jack them up in the first place

It made perfect sense then and still makes sense now to focus on the easiest 2 you can get, preferably via layups/dunks as it was unlikely a team would just run up the score like you can often see today where you often need to shoot 3s in order to catch up

Jordan had a ton of games where he only attempted 1 or 2 3s, he's only had 343 games (out of 1251 total games, so 27.4%) where he took 3 or more per game and that's counting the years where the line was shortened where he obviously took more than usual. A lot of times he would go 0 for 1 or 0 for 2 and call it a day as far as 3s went, but in today's game where it's highly encouraged to keep shooting them there's little doubt he would have had more moments like game 1 of the 1992 finals

If you look at the games from his rookie year up until 1993 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1985&year_max=1993&is_playoffs=E&age_min=0&age_max=99&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&player_id=jordami01&c1stat=fg3a&c1comp=gt&c1val=6&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=Y), the games where he attempted 6 or more, he shot 76/191, or 39.8% in those games



Now obviously he would not shoot 40% of his 3s if he jacked up 8 or 10 in those days (in a vacuum, with little adjustment to modern basketball philosophy), some of those below 6 games could have been games where he was REALLY off, but some of them probably could have gone from 0/3 or 0/4 to 5/9 or 6/12 if he played today. What it does show is that if he played in an era where it was more acceptable he would have more of these heat checks, 30 footers, crazy shots we see in today's game.

There just wasn't as much of a reason in those days and that's one thing a lot of millenials and Zers do not understand when comparing eras :facepalm

[And1AllDay]

I guess anything MJ tried he was good at?...well, except gambling...just ask his father...oh, we can't.

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[NBAGOAT]

sample size as usual is the issue with a lot of your stuff. 3 playoff series is nothing. If we only watched Harden in the playoffs last year, we think he was an awful 3 pt shooter and he's obviously not. I'm definitely willing to consider your point with the 35% and 38% from 3 for 2 full seasons. However dont think 36.5% is too special even if it is good and dont think MJ would focus on it when it's the weakest part of his game.

Someone mentioned outliers and he was actually right. Everyone knows about Mj's game 1 vs the blazers where he went 6/10. You take that away and he's 18/47 or 38% which is more in line with his regular season numbers. That's the problem with a small sample of 17 games, an outlier can great affect the average.


Also keep in mind a large majority of his 3's were spotups at least based on phila's synergy stats. That's just not the case for star players today, even guys who arent great 3pt shooters. If MJ was taking a lot 3's in isos or off the dribble etc, it's logical to assume that 3pt% is dropping.

[SpaceJam]

He didn't want to try in 1997 playoffs? 3.5 attempts 19% from 3

[ImKobe]

He didn't want to try in 1997 playoffs? 3.5 attempts 19% from 3

What about him shooting 35.2% from 3 from 85-93 Playoffs at 2.2 a game? One bad playoff run at age 34 means he wasn't a capable shooter from the original 3PT line? He couldn't buy a 3 in the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs but shot 32% from 3 at 4.2 attempts in the Finals that year. He clearly had 3PT range even in that era.

[DaHeezy]

Manute Bol went 6 for 6 from 3 in a game once. Therefore if Manute "wanted to" he would have been a great 3 point shooter

OP mentality

[3ball]

No one was jacking up 3s in those days not to mention because teams weren't shooting as many 3s there was less of an incentive to jack them up in the first place

It made perfect sense then and still makes sense now to focus on the easiest 2 you can get, preferably via layups/dunks as it was unlikely a team would just run up the score like you can often see today where you often need to shoot 3s in order to catch up

Jordan had a ton of games where he only attempted 1 or 2 3s, he's only had 343 games (out of 1251 total games, so 27.4%) where he took 3 or more per game and that's counting the years where the line was shortened where he obviously took more than usual. A lot of times he would go 0 for 1 or 0 for 2 and call it a day as far as 3s went, but in today's game where it's highly encouraged to keep shooting them there's little doubt he would have had more moments like game 1 of the 1992 finals

If you look at the games from his rookie year up until 1993 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1985&year_max=1993&is_playoffs=E&age_min=0&age_max=99&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&player_id=jordami01&c1stat=fg3a&c1comp=gt&c1val=6&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=Y), the games where he attempted 6 or more, he shot 76/191, or 39.8% in those games



Now obviously he would not shoot 40% of his 3s if he jacked up 8 or 10 in those days (in a vacuum, with little adjustment to modern basketball philosophy), some of those below 6 games could have been games where he was REALLY off, but some of them probably could have gone from 0/3 or 0/4 to 5/9 or 6/12 if he played today. What it does show is that if he played in an era where it was more acceptable he would have more of these heat checks, 30 footers, crazy shots we see in today's game.

There just wasn't as much of a reason in those days and that's one thing a lot of millenials and Zers do not understand when comparing eras :facepalm
So mj was a 40% three-point shooter at high volume over a large sample?

I told you guys so..

Anytime he tried, he was an elite 3-poibt shooter - and he was just dabbling in threes and using weak offensive strategy to GET those threes. He'd crush today's offenses desinged to maximize threes and open looks

[SpaceJam2]

So mj was a 40% three-point shooter at high volume over a large sample?

I told you guys so..

Anytime he tried, he was an elite 3-poibt shooter - and he was just dabbling in threes and using weak offensive strategy to GET those threes. He'd crush today's offenses desinged to maximize threes and open looks

Except that we all saw his Wizard shooting days when zone defense was no longer illegal...

Shall I post up his shooting numbers in Washington?

18% followed by 29% from 3 point land.

If we look at his last 3 years he was 24%, 18%, 29% :lol

Your move cupcake

[DaHeezy]

Manute Bol went 6 for 6 from 3. Therefore if he "wanted to" he'd be a great 3 point shooter

[3ball]

Except that we all saw his Wizard shooting days when zone defense was no longer illegal...

Shall I post up his shooting numbers in Washington?

18% followed by 29% from 3 point land.

If we look at his last 3 years he was 24%, 18%, 29% :lol

Your move cupcake
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Victory itt.... anytime GOAT haters evoke the wizards years... :djparty :hammertime: :yaohappy:

[DaHeezy]

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Victory itt.... anytime GOAT haters evoke the wizards years... :djparty :hammertime: :yaohappy:

Another delusional Jordan tactic. Pretend Jordan's Wizard career never existed.

[SpaceJam2]

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Victory itt.... anytime GOAT haters evoke the wizards years... :djparty :hammertime: :yaohappy:

Except that we all saw his Wizard shooting days when zone defense was no longer illegal. Shall I post up his shooting numbers in Washington? Here you go:

18% followed by 29% from 3 point land :lol

If we look at his last 3 years he was 24%, 18%, 29%. Your move cupcake :D

[DaHeezy]

Except that we all saw his Wizard shooting days when zone defense was no longer illegal. Shall I post up his shooting numbers in Washington? Here you go:

18% followed by 29% from 3 point land :lol

If we look at his last 3 years he was 24%, 18%, 29%. Your move cupcake :D

It's funny that Dell Curry could shoot into his 40's with success. So age isn't an excuse and Jordan's Wizard career should be included into these samples.

[SpaceJam2]

It's funny that Dell Curry could shoot into his 40's with success. So age isn't an excuse and Jordan's Wizard career should be included into these samples.

What's great is that 3ball is the same moron that speaks so highly of Miami Heat Ray Allen at ages 37 and 38 and MJ in Washington at 38 and 39 "gets a pass" for his shooting.

Sorry homie, caught again :lol

[DaHeezy]

What's great is that 3ball is the same moron that speaks so highly of Miami Heat Ray Allen at ages 37 and 38 and MJ in Washington at 38 and 39 "gets a pass" for his shooting.

Sorry homie, caught again :lol

Like I said. Jordaneers move the goalpost so much they forget other players existed

[3ball]

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Another delusional Jordan tactic. Pretend Jordan's Wizard career never existed

.
Not at all..

MJ was a top 10 player and the Wizards were the 4 seed before he got hurt about 50 games into the season - his averages were 25/5/5 and only kobe/tmac were at that level

Ultimately, Jordan led those Wizards to 18 more wins and significant improvement on both sides of the ball, so he's better than 19' Lebron, who made the Lakers worse... :cheers:

Hope that helps

[DaHeezy]

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Not at all..

MJ was a top 10 player and the Wizards were the 4 seed before he got hurt about 50 games into the season - his averages were 25/5/5 and only kobe/tmac were at that level

Ultimately, Jordan led those Wizards to 18 more wins and significant improvement on both sides of the ball, so he's better than 19' Lebron, who made the Lakers worse... :cheers:

Hope that helps

The topic is 3 point shooting you moron. I mean seriously, YOU created the thread :hammerhead:

[3ball]

The topic is 3 point shooting you moron. I mean seriously, YOU created the thread :hammerhead:
MJ was older and set in his ways - he was less interested in threes than ever at 40

Again, when you guys use a 40-year olds stats as your argument - you lose.. :cheers:

[SpaceJam2]

What's great is that 3ball is the same moron that speaks so highly of Miami Heat Ray Allen at ages 37 and 38 and MJ in Washington at 38 and 39 "gets a pass" for his shooting.

Sorry homie, caught again :lol

3ball?

[DaHeezy]

MJ was older and set in his ways - he was less interested in threes than ever at 40

Again, when you guys use a 40-year olds stats as your argument - you lose.. :cheers:

When you deny it when players like Dell Curry shot well into their 40's you lose.

When you say a player isn't successful because he wasn't interested you lose.

You're arguments are so scattered you even forgot the topic. You lose.

[3ball]

When you deny it when players like Dell Curry shot well into their 40's you lose.

When you say a player isn't successful because he wasn't interested you lose.

You're arguments are so scattered you even forgot the topic. You lose.
Nah, mj fam beat ya on this one

and easily

[SpaceJam2]

When you deny it when players like Dell Curry shot well into their 40's you lose.

When you say a player isn't successful because he wasn't interested you lose.

You're arguments are so scattered you even forgot the topic. You lose.



Get. his. ass.

[Celtics 1825]

So if he was good at 3 pointers "when he tried", then why didn't he try more?

[3ball]

So if he was good at 3 pointers "when he tried", then why didn't he try more?
Dumb question

If you don't know, then you don't know shit about basketball

You must be under 20 years old

[Mr.GOAT2408]

We seriously using Wizards MJ as an argument against? The guy who was like 3+ years removed from playing in the NBA with bad knees?

Must it be said that despite the awful 3 point shooter that MJ in his last year had a higher true shooting % than LeBron the following year?


I don't know the feeling but it's got to suck being a basketball fan and not witnessing the GOAT :lol

[DaHeezy]

Nah, mj fam beat ya on this one

and easily

Cop out response which really means I am defeated.

Nice try

[DaHeezy]

Dumb question

If you don't know, then you don't know shit about basketball

You must be under 20 years old

Again, another cop out response for a reasonable question. If you can't diffuse it, say he's too young.

3ball with another airball. You can tell he gets his shooting tips from MJ :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Prime Jordan was a good 3PT shooter in the playoffs. Not that surprising he didn't take many in the 80s.

Bird was a highly skilled shooter yet barely took any himself.

[SpaceJam]

What about him shooting 35.2% from 3 from 85-93 Playoffs at 2.2 a game? One bad playoff run at age 34 means he wasn't a capable shooter from the original 3PT line? He couldn't buy a 3 in the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs but shot 32% from 3 at 4.2 attempts in the Finals that year. He clearly had 3PT range even in that era.

Woah Mister, I'm just curious why he didn't try to hit em that year? OP stated anytime he tried, so just wanna know why he didn't try

[TheCorporation]

Woah Mister, I'm just curious why he didn't try to hit em that year? OP stated anytime he tried, so just wanna know why he didn't try

Whatever you do, don't watch this 3-point shooting contest.

[AintNoSunshine]

Of course by your logic whenever he's no good he wasn't trying. I win the lottery every time I try, but I just have never tried in my life.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP, whens the offensive repertoire series expanding?

[FKAri]

Anytime Lebron tried, he won rings. Bulletproof logic OP.