What was the Donovan Mitchell hype about?

[Boogaboog]

Said it last year. He's an inefficient 3rd rate Wade wannabe.

[SpaceJam2]

12 points on 4/22 (18% FG)

Yikes

Kobe would be proud :lol

[imdaman99]

I like Mitchell. And I know the feeling rooting for a guy that routinely goes 4-22.

[Patrick Chewing]

I like Mitchell. And I know the feeling rooting for a guy that routinely goes 4-22.


Mitchell > Ntilikina that's for sure.

[imdaman99]

Mitchell > Ntilikina that's for sure.
Yeah man. Another miss by Phil. Thanks for the triangle. Guy was another Magic Johnson. Paid a lot of money at a new position because of his big name status, and put in 0 work and was lazy as hell. Now that KP is gone, Frank is next because the guy is injury prone and has no offense whatsoever.

Mitchell should have been a Knick, pretty sure he's a Mets fan.

[miggyme1]

Get donovan some help and watch him blossom. Dude is responsible for 85 percent of their offense. Nobody on their WHOLE ENTIRE roster can create their own shot consistently. Rubio was suppose to revolutionize the pg position but he is average at best. Rudy gobert is a roll of tissue on stilts. Dude always looks so flimsy and fraile and he catches the ball like he is scared half of the time. Thank God he was blessed with height,if he was 6'6 he wouldnt even be in the league and thats saying a lot.

Get donovan a pg that can shoot....and get him someone like trevor ariza to team up with on the wings on defense and can knock down 3s.

[ArbitraryWater]

12 points on 4/22 (18% FG)

Yikes

Kobe would be proud :lol

Even Kobe would give a subtle rolling of the eyes here..

[ImKobe]

12 points on 4/22 (18% FG)

Yikes

Kobe would be proud :lol

Kobe never shot that badly at 20+ attempts for his entire Playoffs career. You can only find Kobe shooting worse than 18% at age 18-19 and that's when he took 6-7 shots in garbage time.

There's nothing worse than 2/18 for Lebron with 10 TOs, I think only Harden's topped that.

[Kblaze8855]

Said it last year. He's an inefficient 3rd rate Wade wannabe.


So you called out a rookie for not being Wade?

Wade was a Wade wannabe when he was a rookie despite the 4 highlights you may remember and them beating a probably 40 win Hornets team on his floater.

Mitchell is in his second season. Are we really gonna continue judging people with 15 more years to go like they are supposed to be finished products?


Tell you what....

Run down in your head the guards who were better than him their first two seasons by whatever standard you choose.

How many arent in the hall of fame or clearly going there?

I bet every one of the few dealt with injuries.

[kennethgriffen]

12 points on 4/22 (18% FG)

Yikes

Kobe would be proud :lol


rent free as f*ck

:lol

[Phoenix]

Lol the guy's in his second playoffs. Last year he stood toe to toe with Westbrook. Jesus H Christ some of you guys overreact .

[iamgine]

He's about as bad as Damian Lillard in last season's playoff.

[dirkdiggler41]

He is only 22 years old and still learning. He will develop and become better.
After the all-star break, he averaged 26 points on 46% shooting, with 4,5 rebounds and 4,6 assists. There is no reason for him not to do that in a whole season.

[coin24]

He played pretty well for a second year player..

It's not his fault the jazz have no real scorers, and a useless pg pubio..
If they get a pg who doesn't air ball 3s and someone else who can score then watch out next year..
Gobert is a stud, ingles always plays hard same with crowder..

[stalkerforlife]

Imagine if guys like Jimmer had his green light.

[Xiao Yao You]

He played pretty well for a second year player..

It's not his fault the jazz have no real scorers, and a useless pg pubio..
If they get a pg who doesn't air ball 3s and someone else who can score then watch out next year..
Gobert is a stud, ingles always plays hard same with crowder..

not to mention a modern 4 not their twin tower. Don't forget Dante will be back too! :roll:

[tpols]

Look at how awful the jazz spacing is... Favors, Rubio, Gobert, and a naturally gun shy ingles. Worst spacing in the league makes it easy to gang up on the only all star talent. The rest of the team can barely dribble the ball.

[Callystarr]

Get donovan some help and watch him blossom. Dude is responsible for 85 percent of their offense. Nobody on their WHOLE ENTIRE roster can create their own shot consistently. Rubio was suppose to revolutionize the pg position but he is average at best. Rudy gobert is a roll of tissue on stilts. Dude always looks so flimsy and fraile and he catches the ball like he is scared half of the time. Thank God he was blessed with height,if he was 6'6 he wouldnt even be in the league and thats saying a lot.

Get donovan a pg that can shoot....and get him someone like trevor ariza to team up with on the wings on defense and can knock down 3s.

Agreed, and take better shots.

[Callystarr]

Lol the guy's in his second playoffs. Last year he stood toe to toe with Westbrook. Jesus H Christ some of you guys overreact .

right.

[90sgoat]

Low IQ people like point guards who can dunk.

[Callystarr]

Look at how awful the jazz spacing is... Favors, Rubio, Gobert, and a naturally gun shy ingles. Worst spacing in the league makes it easy to gang up on the only all star talent. The rest of the team can barely dribble the ball.

Awful spacing? :confusedshrug:

[Xiao Yao You]

Awful spacing? :confusedshrug:

yep. No one is afraid of anyone on the perimeter so they can concentrate on stopping Rudy and Mitchell. But at least they are nice guys! Bring everyone back again. If they had Dante and Kyle and you throw the first two games out the window they might just be world champs! :roll:

[Hey Yo]

Kobe never shot that badly at 20+ attempts for his entire Playoffs career. You can only find Kobe shooting worse than 18% at age 18-19 and that's when he took 6-7 shots in garbage time.

There's nothing worse than 2/18 for Lebron with 10 TOs, I think only Harden's topped that.
Errrrr........ wrong again.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

[Xiao Yao You]

Errrrr........ wrong again.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html

and let's not forget the 2 straight sweeps to the aging Jazz and all those air balls from the young gunner Kobe

[NuggetsFan]

I think part of the problem for Mitchell besides the obvious spacing issues is nobody concentrates on stopping Gobert on the offensive end. Gobert is there best player but offensively Gobert is just throwing down dunks and finishing plays that are created for him. If a team makes it difficult to create those plays, Gobert can't create anything himself. He averaged 11 points vs Houston.

I don't think you stop Gobert on offense, you stop the plays that lead to him getting those easy looks because once he gets the ball in those positions it's pretty much game over which is evident by his FG%.

Mitchell's offensive load is just waaaay too big. He was taking almost 10 more shots than anybody on there roster in the playoffs. There's nobody to take the pressure off. Mitchell needs a legitimate 2nd option on offense that can space the floor. If Utah had that + Gobert finishing plays/setting screens I think Mitchell's efficiency would increase. 22 FGA is just way too much for him but your not going to ask guys like Rubio, Crowder, Gobert to shoot 16 times a game on a every night basis.

[Xiao Yao You]

I think part of the problem for Mitchell besides the obvious spacing issues is nobody concentrates on stopping Gobert on the offensive end. Gobert is there best player but offensively Gobert is just throwing down dunks and finishing plays that are created for him. If a team makes it difficult to create those plays, Gobert can't create anything himself. He averaged 11 points vs Houston.

I don't think you stop Gobert on offense, you stop the plays that lead to him getting those easy looks because once he gets the ball in those positions it's pretty much game over which is evident by his FG%.

Mitchell's offensive load is just waaaay too big. He was taking almost 10 more shots than anybody on there roster in the playoffs. There's nobody to take the pressure off. Mitchell needs a legitimate 2nd option on offense that can space the floor. If Utah had that + Gobert finishing plays/setting screens I think Mitchell's efficiency would increase. 22 FGA is just way too much for him but your not going to ask guys like Rubio, Crowder, Gobert to shoot 16 times a game on a every night basis.

They do try to stop Rudy. It's easy to do when you don't have to guard the other 3 players on the court. Rudy put up over 17 a game at the end of Hayward's last season when Favors was benched because of injuries and Joe Johnson and Diaw on their last legs took the minutes at the 4. Imagine what a modern 4 in his prime would do. That was the blueprint and what did the Jazz do? Replace Hill with Rubio. Move Favors back into the starting line up and make Hood their go to guy! :roll: :roll:

[NuggetsFan]

They do try to stop Rudy. It's easy to do when you don't have to guard the other 3 players on the court. Rudy put up over 17 a game at the end of Hayward's last season when Favors was benched because of injuries and Joe Johnson and Diaw on their last legs took the minutes at the 4. Imagine what a modern 4 in his prime would do. That was the blueprint and what did the Jazz do? Replace Hill with Rubio. Move Favors back into the starting line up and make Hood their go to guy! :roll: :roll:

Why would teams focus on Rudy tho? He's not creating for himself. Your focusing on guarding the plays that lead to the chances for Rudy. Teams are far more focused on Mitchell for example. You can't really stop Rudy once Utah has created a look for him. He's dunking it in your face, your fouling him, or hoping he misses. 81% of his looks came within 0-3 feet. He shoots 74% within 0-3 feet vs 36% from 3-10 feet, .125 from 10-16 feet. Basically when you face Utah if you can stop guys creating for Gobert, you throw everything at Mitchell, and bet that the other players won't

I agree alot with what your saying. I think if Utah had a legitimate 2nd option on offense it would make life alot easier for everyone. Right now Mitchell just has to be the 1st option on offense with nobody else that can create for themselves. The second a team starts shutting down the Jazz's offense it's basically like give Mitchell the ball and best of luck. Gobert is a great offensive player with finishing/screens but Utah absolutely needs another guy that can do some of the stuff Mitchell does on offense for them.

[StrongLurk]

Agree with OP, I argued with a lot of posters last year. Never saw the reason for DMitch hype.

[Xiao Yao You]

Why would teams focus on Rudy tho? He's not creating for himself. Your focusing on guarding the plays that lead to the chances for Rudy. Teams are far more focused on Mitchell for example. You can't really stop Rudy once Utah has created a look for him. He's dunking it in your face, your fouling him, or hoping he misses. 81% of his looks came within 0-3 feet. He shoots 74% within 0-3 feet vs 36% from 3-10 feet, .125 from 10-16 feet. Basically when you face Utah if you can stop guys creating for Gobert, you throw everything at Mitchell, and bet that the other players won't

I agree alot with what your saying. I think if Utah had a legitimate 2nd option on offense it would make life alot easier for everyone. Right now Mitchell just has to be the 1st option on offense with nobody else that can create for themselves. The second a team starts shutting down the Jazz's offense it's basically like give Mitchell the ball and best of luck. Gobert is a great offensive player with finishing/screens but Utah absolutely needs another guy that can do some of the stuff Mitchell does on offense for them.

You have to focus on him or he will get an easy dunk. Vertical spacing. A big part of Houston's problems were Capela not being 100%. Forced Harden into the floater and Capela wasn't able to kill them like last year. If you can space the floor you give the opponent the choice of Mitchell, Gobert or the corner 3. There's no need to create for him. It comes with the spacing. The other team chooses their poison. For Houston their poison was making someone other than Mitchell, Gobert or Inges hurt them and that's been the approach against them for two years. It's not rocket science.

[NuggetsFan]

You have to focus on him or he will get an easy dunk. Vertical spacing. A big part of Houston's problems were Capela not being 100%. Forced Harden into the floater and Capela wasn't able to kill them like last year. If you can space the floor you give the opponent the choice of Mitchell, Gobert or the corner 3. There's no need to create for him. It comes with the spacing. The other team chooses their poison. For Houston their poison was making someone other than Mitchell, Gobert or Inges hurt them and that's been the approach against them for two years. It's not rocket science.

That's not how it works tho. You don't just give Gobert the ball and say dunk it. He'll have a defender on him. Sure on some possessions and with certain matchups it'll occasionally works but alot of Gobert's points will come when a guard breaks down the defense. Like a Utah guard getting into the paint, a help defender coming over, and than that guard getting Gobert the ball with some space to throw it down. Gobert setting a screen and rolling to the basket and the defense being worried about the guard and than Gobert getting an easy look. Like if Harden/Gobert played together it would be terrifying.

So you sell out to stop Mitchell, you try and shutdown Utah creating easy looks for Gobert to finish, and than you bet that nobody else on the roster will beat you. If Utah had a legitimate 2nd option on offense rather than a collection of role players that's far more difficult to do.

Gobert is there best player, but Mitchell is the only legitimate non role player on offense. Gobert's impact on offense goes far above role player on offense due to how good he is but he's dependent on other players. Just in terms of skill sets .. Utah has one guy with the ability to create for himself/others consistently. Ingles is the second closest, and really good. Rubio can create for others, but not himself.

[NuggetsFan]

This season only 23% of Mitchell's 2 points buckets were assisted. 58% of his 3's. That's like .. insane. By far at the bottom of Utah. 73% of Gobert's buckets were assisted, and a large amount that aren't are going to be from put backs/offensive rebounds.

If you put another guy that creates for himself and others next to Mitchell, maybe even better than Mitchell than that would be the ideal situation. Ingles is one of the best role players in the entire league but not sure you want him as your 2nd option on offense.

[Xiao Yao You]

That's not how it works tho. You don't just give Gobert the ball and say dunk it. He'll have a defender on him. Sure on some possessions and with certain matchups it'll occasionally works but alot of Gobert's points will come when a guard breaks down the defense. Like a Utah guard getting into the paint, a help defender coming over, and than that guard getting Gobert the ball with some space to throw it down. Gobert setting a screen and rolling to the basket and the defense being worried about the guard and than Gobert getting an easy look. Like if Harden/Gobert played together it would be terrifying.

So you sell out to stop Mitchell, you try and shutdown Utah creating easy looks for Gobert to finish, and than you bet that nobody else on the roster will beat you. If Utah had a legitimate 2nd option on offense rather than a collection of role players that's far more difficult to do.

Gobert is there best player, but Mitchell is the only legitimate non role player on offense. Gobert's impact on offense goes far above role player on offense due to how good he is but he's dependent on other players. Just in terms of skill sets .. Utah has one guy with the ability to create for himself/others consistently. Ingles is the second closest, and really good. Rubio can create for others, but not himself.

No reason Mitchell/Gobert and spacing won't be terrifying too.

[Xiao Yao You]

This season only 23% of Mitchell's 2 points buckets were assisted. 58% of his 3's. That's like .. insane. By far at the bottom of Utah. 73% of Gobert's buckets were assisted, and a large amount that aren't are going to be from put backs/offensive rebounds.

If you put another guy that creates for himself and others next to Mitchell, maybe even better than Mitchell than that would be the ideal situation. Ingles is one of the best role players in the entire league but not sure you want him as your 2nd option on offense.

Rubio was the 2nd option! :cry:

Needed Conley. Too bad the cost was so damn high... Exum :roll:

[NuggetsFan]

No reason Mitchell/Gobert and spacing won't be terrifying too.

True. I mean already can be, just talking big picture. Gobert has dominating affect on the offense, but because his average FG is like 2.2 feet away from the basket he's dependent on the offense as a whole. Right now Utah lacks the offense pieces to really contend.

Even getting some spacing would be huge for Utah and likely make a big difference. If they somehow added a legitimate 2nd option? I think it would have a domino affect and make Mitchell's life alot easier, make things easier for Gobert and even someone like Ingles would probably benefit.

West will be fun to watch if GS gets blown up and Durant or Klay bail. Utah with the right moves can be as good as anybody next in line. Without another offensive threat don't see how they can compete with a team like Houston.

[NuggetsFan]

Rubio was the 2nd option! :cry:

Needed Conley. Too bad the cost was so damn high... Exum :roll:

I don't dislike Rubio as much as you, but yeah he has no business playing that role. Always feels like he pops off against Denver tho :lol

Conley could have been huge for Mitchell/Gobert in the playoffs.

[coin24]

not to mention a modern 4 not their twin tower. Don't forget Dante will be back too! :roll:

Exum is trash:oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

True. I mean already can be, just talking big picture. Gobert has dominating affect on the offense, but because his average FG is like 2.2 feet away from the basket he's dependent on the offense as a whole. Right now Utah lacks the offense pieces to really contend.

Even getting some spacing would be huge for Utah and likely make a big difference. If they somehow added a legitimate 2nd option? I think it would have a domino affect and make Mitchell's life alot easier, make things easier for Gobert and even someone like Ingles would probably benefit.

West will be fun to watch if GS gets blown up and Durant or Klay bail. Utah with the right moves can be as good as anybody next in line. Without another offensive threat don't see how they can compete with a team like Houston.

Utah already should have been right there with Conley. They will probably bring Favors and Rubio back. They're nice guys!

[Xiao Yao You]

Exum is trash:oldlol:

indeed

[FireDavidKahn]

Errrrr........ wrong again.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006160IND.html
Dat 55 ORTG and 128 DRTG

:applause: :bowdown: