Kobe's 3-peat stats in perspective

[90sgoat]

Kobe averaged 22/5/4 pr. 36 during the 3-peat at age 21-23

Lebron averaged 23/7/5 pr. 36 during his Miami playoffs at age 26-29.

[superduper]

Hey OP, why are they avoiding this like the plague?

[Rico2016]

Hey OP, why are they avoiding this like the plague?

.?. Are you...confused?

Kobe's 3-peat stats are as follows:

14 NBA Finals games
22/6/5/1.3/1.2 on 42% FG with an average GameScore of 15.73

Scottie's 3-peat stats are as follows:
21/9/7/1.94/0.9 on 46% with an average GameScore of 17.2

This would mean that if you compare the two as second options in the Finals Kobe scores 1 more point on much less efficiency and Pippen grabs more rebounds and assists and steals on better FG% with a higher GameScore. This would mean that Pippen still wins as the GOAT second option.

[3ball]

Better 2nd options than Pippen


Magic

Kareem

Bird

Duncan

Lebron

Shaq

Kobe

Dr. J

Wade

Curry

DR

Stockton

Barkley (2nd option over pippen in 99')

Drexler


like.... EVERYONE


Kyrie (record ppg for 2nd option in Finals and goat bailout shot)

Payton (96' Finals)

Mark Price and Larry Nance (1989 1st Round)

Dumars (88-90')

KJ (1989)




So many more.. too many to name


Cousy

Baylor

Russell

West

Wilt

Reed



.?. Are you...confused?

Kobe's 3-peat stats are as follows:

14 NBA Finals games
22/6/5/1.3/1.2 on 42% FG with an average GameScore of 15.73

Scottie's 3-peat stats are as follows:
21/9/7/1.94/0.9 on 46% with an average GameScore of 17.2

This would mean that if you compare the two as second options in the Finals Kobe scores 1 more point on much less efficiency and Pippen grabs more rebounds and assists and steals on better FG% with a higher GameScore. This would mean that Pippen still wins as the GOAT second option.
You included Kobe's worst Finals to drag his stats down

To be fair, you should include Pippen's worst Finals and then compare

Kobe's 01 and 02 stats are better than anything pippen ever did



And Forget 3 Finals - I just showed you about 25 Finals in the previous post where the 2nd option played better than pippen ever did

And Pippen is the worst 2nd option of any team that won 3+ rings (Russell, Kareem, Kobe, Curry, Mchale)

And here's 4 Finals for lebron:

- Wade averaged 24/6/5 in the 11-13 Finals

- Wade was better in 2011 and 2012'... And kyrie in 16' and 17'... That's 4 Finals... :confusedshrug:

Kareem was better in 80', 82' and 87..... Or magic was better in 80', 85', 88'... However you want to look at it ..

Kobe 00-02'

Isiah 88' and 89'

And again, I just showed you about 25 Finals in the previous post where the 2nd option played better than pippen ever did

[superduper]

Well if Gamescore matters all of a sudden..

Why did Wade in 2012 and 2013 have higher Gamescores than LeGOAT in 2011? :eek:

[RRR3]

LeBron and Bird were never 2nd options. 3braincells strikes again.

[90sgoat]

Hey OP, why are they avoiding this like the plague?

Maybe because Lebron has very pedestrian pr. 36 stats and has basically been propping up his stats by playing waaaay too many minutes for years.

[bigkingsfan]

LeBron and Bird were never 2nd options. 3braincells strikes again.
2ball crying about other people cherry picking stats :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Hey OP, why are they avoiding this like the plague?

i guess cause its irrelevant?

[SpaceJam2]

LeBron and Bird were never 2nd options. 3braincells strikes again.

He is a very slow person. He doesn't understand many things

[SpaceJam2]

2ball crying about other people cherry picking stats :oldlol:

:lol

Those are Kobe's second option years anyway but still hilarious coming from 2ball

[ImKobe]

Kobe averaged more points in 2001 & 2002 Playoffs at ages 22-23 than prime Lebron in a modern era in 2013 & 2016.

2001 Kobe vs 2013 Lebron

Kobe: 29/7/6
Lebron: 26/8/7

Peak Lebron vs 22 y.o Kobe. Kobe played in the toughest defensive era & wasn't in his prime yet.

[3ball]

:lol

Those are Kobe's second option years anyway but still hilarious coming from 2ball
.
Every team that made 3+ Finals since the ABA merger had a better 2nd option than 91-93' Pip for at least 2 Finals



2nd options:

Magic (84', 85', 88)

Bird (81', 85', 86')

Curry (17', 18', 19')

Kareem (80', 82, 87')

Kobe (01', 02')

Duncan (07' and 14')

Dr. J (82' and 83')

Isiah (88' and 89')

Kyrie (16' and 17')


^^^ Pippen is not in this tier

Plus many other teams that made 1 or 2 Finals had better 2nd options too:



Penny (95')

Robinson (99')

Garnett 08'

Dwight 09'

Terry 11' (comedic addition)

Wade 12'

Westbrook 12'


.

[kennethgriffen]

kobe saved the season twice in 2000 ( wcf game 7, finals game 4 )

then carried the lakers to the finals in 2001 averging 33/7/6

then had an all time historically great 2nd leading scoring average in the 2002 finals averaging 27ppg that only kyrie topped in 2016


he earned all 3 rings


lebron has still yet to win a ring without

a) ring chasing

b) colluding

c) suspensions

d) steroids

and

e) lockouts or bail outs

[SouBeachTalents]

kobe saved the season twice in 2000 ( wcf game 7, finals game 4 )

then carried the lakers to the finals in 2001 averging 33/7/6

then had an all time historically great 2nd leading scoring average in the 2002 finals averaging 27ppg that only kyrie topped in 2016


he earned all 3 rings


lebron has still yet to win a ring without

a) ring chasing

b) colluding

c) suspensions

d) steroids

and

e) lockouts or bail outs
Curry did the same thing the last 2 years

[kennethgriffen]

Curry did the same thing the last 2 years


he topped 27ppg once last year. thats impressive. but his teammates were force feeding him the ball to get finals mvp... kobe and kyrie weren't that lucky


gotta give curry an asterisk for that one


curry was basically the #1 option but just couldn't make enough shots

[ImKobe]

Curry did the same thing the last 2 years

difference is that Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era, where teams played at the slowest pace.

[ArbitraryWater]

difference is that Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era, where teams played at the slowest pace.

:lol

[kennethgriffen]

difference is that Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era, where teams played at the slowest pace.


and imagine if shaq tried to get kobe mvp like durant did for curry

:oldlol:

[NBASTATMAN]

difference is that Kobe did it in the toughest defensive era, where teams played at the slowest pace.

YET Vince Carter played better than Kobe when you compare how they did facing the same team.. :banana:

VINCE BETTER THAN KOBE.. :cheers:

[34-24 Footwork]

Kobe averaged more points in 2001 & 2002 Playoffs at ages 22-23 than prime Lebron in a modern era in 2013 & 2016.

2001 Kobe vs 2013 Lebron

Kobe: 29/7/6
Lebron: 26/8/7

Peak Lebron vs 22 y.o Kobe. Kobe played in the toughest defensive era & wasn't in his prime yet.

Crazy because I watched ALL of these playoff series back then and NEVER recall Kobe hogging the ball either. Most of those points came within the flow of the TRIANGLE...which speaks for itself. His assists came naturally and wasn't all about whipping perimeter passes to GOAT shooters like Ray Allen or Kyle Korver.

Got his assists out the mud, to be honest.

[34-24 Footwork]

I see only a few people bring up Kobe's 2000 finals numbers ever since I started to expose what really happened. When someone brings up that series against Indiana and his numbers, it should be OBVIOUS that they didn't watch basketball back then.

[NBASTATMAN]

Crazy because I watched ALL of these playoff series back then and NEVER recall Kobe hogging the ball either. Most of those points came within the flow of the TRIANGLE...which speaks for itself. His assists came naturally and wasn't all about whipping perimeter passes to GOAT shooters like Ray Allen or Kyle Korver.

Got his assists out the mud, to be honest.


IMAGINE JUST PASSING THE BALL TO PRIME SHAQ and him dunking it over everyone.. And then being credited with an assist.. SO HARD.. I THINK NOT.. :roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

IMAGINE JUST PASSING THE BALL TO PRIME SHAQ and him dunking it over everyone.. And then being credited with an assist.. SO HARD.. I THINK NOT.. :roll:

BRO! Those were the golden days! We don't even have to imagine it. I kept a few receipts. Check out all the single coverage Kobe had and the passes Kobe made to Shaq :eek: :eek:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/J_K/Kobe%20doubled_zps2fhor74l.gif[/URL]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2015/jMj16D.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2015/-Smamo.gif

[LAmbruh]

IMAGINE JUST PASSING THE BALL TO PRIME SHAQ and him dunking it over everyone.. And then being credited with an assist.. SO HARD.. I THINK NOT.. :roll:
:roll: :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

BRO! Those were the golden days! We don't even have to imagine it. I kept a few receipts. Check out all the single coverage even passes Kobe made the Shaq :eek: :eek:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/J_K/Kobe%20doubled_zps2fhor74l.gif[/URL]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2015/jMj16D.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2015/-Smamo.gif


They actually doubled Kobe on occasion !!! Imagine Vince Carter having antonio davis as his second leading scorer .. Imagine the doubles he was facing.. Or Allen Iverson facing double and triple teams cuz he had no other teammate that could get his own shot.. LOL

[34-24 Footwork]

Making stat nerds retreat with empirical evidence is addictive af

Nerd: "Kobe had it easy!!"

Me: Here's a few gifs, bro.

Nerd:


https://media.giphy.com/media/9OEura8wCO04U/giphy.gif

[NBASTATMAN]

Making stat nerds retreat with empirical evidence is addictive af

Nerd: "Kobe had it easy!!"

Me: Here's a few gifs, bro.

Nerd:


https://media.giphy.com/media/9OEura8wCO04U/giphy.gif

.THE ENTIRE THREAD STARTED BY 90'S IDIOT was based on STATS... :facepalm

[34-24 Footwork]

.THE ENTIRE THREAD STARTED BY 90'S IDIOT was based on STATS... :facepalm

He's shown throughout his time here that he actually watches basketball.

Can't say the same about your ilk :oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

PER 100 possessions is a better stat. Let's compare those years listed by OP.

Kobe is 30.9/7.6/6.5, 52.7 TS%...109 offensive rating, 104 defensive rating - 21.3 PER and 4.5 BPM

Lebron is 35.5/11.2/7.6, 59.5 TS%...117 offensive rating, 102 defensive rating - 28.2 PER and 9.8 BPM

Lebron was on a higher tier.

[RRR3]

PER 100 possessions is a better stat. Let's compare those years listed by OP.

Kobe is 30.9/7.6/6.5, 52.7 TS%...109 offensive rating, 104 defensive rating - 21.3 PER and 4.5 BPM

Lebron is 35.5/11.2/7.6, 59.5 TS%...117 offensive rating, 102 defensive rating - 28.2 PER and 9.8 BPM

Lebron was on a higher tier.
/thread.

[NBASTATMAN]

PER 100 possessions is a better stat. Let's compare those years listed by OP.

Kobe is 30.9/7.6/6.5, 52.7 TS%...109 offensive rating, 104 defensive rating - 21.3 PER and 4.5 BPM

Lebron is 35.5/11.2/7.6, 59.5 TS%...117 offensive rating, 102 defensive rating - 28.2 PER and 9.8 BPM

Lebron was on a higher tier.


OMG .. ETHER.. :cheers: :applause: :rockon:

LEBRON IS THE HIGHEST TIER ALONG WITH MJ AND KAREEM.. Kobe on that third tier with the guys 10-15 alt time.. :lol

[tpols]

you cant just look at bran's individual productions and compare them apples to apples to another GOAT without accounting for how much he comparatively discounts all star teammates and caps total team potential.

nice try...

[NBASTATMAN]

you cant just look at bran's individual productions and compare them apples to apples to another GOAT without accounting for how much KOBE comparatively discounts all star teammates and caps total team potential.

nice try...


:cheers:
Lebron's teams SCUK WITHOUT HIM.. Kobe s teams GET BETTER Without 12BE.. :lol :banana: :roll: :cheers:

[RRR3]

you cant just look at bran's individual productions and compare them apples to apples to another GOAT without accounting for how much he comparatively discounts all star teammates and caps total team potential.

nice try...
Every time Kobe played with multiple all stars he failed.


Sometimes less is more.

[NBASTATMAN]

Every time Kobe played with multiple all stars he failed.


Sometimes less is more.


ETHER.. :roll:

[RRR3]

ETHER.. :roll:
Actually I have to edit that.


Kobe did win a ring with Shaq and Glen Rice.

Of course Shaq completely carried him to that one :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

Actually I have to edit that.


Kobe did win a ring with Shaq and Glen Rice.

Of course Shaq completely carried him to that one :lol


kobestans think that bron was the only guy to play with other star players .. GLEN RICE WAS ALL NBA AS MANY TIMES as CHRIS BOSH AND KEVIN LOVE COMBINED :lol

[Mr.GOAT2408]

I'm especially impressed that he did that at such a young age in such a physical, defensive minded era. It was Shaq's team of course but Kobe had a big hand in putting them in position to win those titles

This was back during his high flying days before injuries and age had to turn him into a deadly midrange/post shooter to compensate. Born too early because Frobe would have feasted with more spacing :(

[90sgoat]

PER 100 possessions is a better stat. Let's compare those years listed by OP.

Kobe is 30.9/7.6/6.5, 52.7 TS%...109 offensive rating, 104 defensive rating - 21.3 PER and 4.5 BPM

Lebron is 35.5/11.2/7.6, 59.5 TS%...117 offensive rating, 102 defensive rating - 28.2 PER and 9.8 BPM

Lebron was on a higher tier.

Even for using advanced stats like a frail RealGM nerd, you still fail by using trash stats like PER, TS% and defensive rating.:roll:

NERD:lol