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[AirBonner]

Or were the players just not skilled offensively?

[superduper]

https://streamable.com/qjo86

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

[SpaceJam2]

You tell me, look at this


Imagine MJ having to face modern defense instead of this shit he was used to:

https://i.postimg.cc/nz43C3NT/90s_spacing.png

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

[SomeBlackDude]

You tell me, look at this


Imagine MJ having to face modern defense instead of this shit he was used to:

https://i.postimg.cc/nz43C3NT/90s_spacing.png



which spurs team had better defense, the 97-99 twin towers version or any of the ones that crushed le***** multiple times in the finals?

:confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

which spurs team had better defense, the 97-99 twin towers version or any of the ones that crushed le***** multiple times in the finals?

:confusedshrug:

Bro...Accept it

MJ is on an island with a 6'1 guard in the 90s era...

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

[SomeBlackDude]

Bro...Accept it


'97-'98 spurs: 99.4 drtg/88.5 ppg allowed
'98-'99 spurs: 95 drtg/84.7 ppg allowed

'06-'07 spurs*: 99.9 drtg/90.1 ppg allowed
'12-'13 spurs: 101.6 drtg/96.6 ppg allowed
'13-'14 spurs: 102 drtg/97.6 ppg allowed

*

https://i.postimg.cc/cHm1wbXB/Worst-Finals-Le-Bron.jpg


who r u picking?

:confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

I'm a phaggit
PER...The stat that was literally fiddled with until MJ was ranked #1 by it. A perfect parable for his manufactured greatness.

[Uncle Drew]

It's a bit of everything I think. Players lacked in a lot of areas, which is completely understandable, knowing we had full time grocery baggers and janitors in our league at that time. You can't really expect those guys, who were really amazing players for their time, to pop out and hit you with tremendous foot work or deadly precision when shooting. Furthermore, the average NBA player was just lacking in height, which is something that's genetics and you can't really fault them for that. I mean, I am 6'2'' and I'd probably be taller than your average center if this were the 90's. It's easy to score when playing midgets.

[SomeBlackDude]

lMJ

vs the '98 spurs (99.4 drtg/88.5 ppg allowed) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQePkBnD0vo)

35 years old.

past le10th seed age.

can't stop.

won't stop.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-27-2019/LQSW4z.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/FRDdNz5v/maxresdefault.jpg

^that's what centers used to look like :eek:

not a pasty, chubby european in sight.

[FKAri]

vs the '98 spurs (99.4 drtg/88.5 ppg allowed) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQePkBnD0vo)

35 years old.

past le10th seed age.

can't stop.

won't stop.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-27-2019/LQSW4z.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/FRDdNz5v/maxresdefault.jpg

^that's what centers used to look like :eek:

not a pasty, chubby european in sight.
Soft American Whites have been naturally selected out of the NBA. Back then? Every team had them as starters! :oldlol: DRob is a bitch who'd have a career destroying meltdown midway his rookie season if he had to handle today's media. All in all they were a bunch of soft, media-coddled, phaggits abound in the 90s NBA. Unfortunately these losers were my heroes growing up.

[SomeBlackDude]

All in all they were a bunch of soft, media-coddled, phaggits abound in the 90s NBA.

2nd-3rd best center of the 90s:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-24-2019/us7jNn.gif

the best center now:

https://i.postimg.cc/hj12bLFB/862941548-0.jpg



























https://media1.giphy.com/media/TD0NYrLpcnsTm/giphy.gif

[tpols]

the best center now:

https://i.postimg.cc/hj12bLFB/862941548-0.jpg




:lol

nice pic selection... make him look retarded.

the irony is Jokic has higher offensive IQ than any 90s center... he does lack their defense true

[SomeBlackDude]

:lol

nice pic selection... make him look retarded.

the irony is Jokic has higher offensive IQ than any 90s center... he does lack their defense true

jokic is the answer to the question "what if the nba was such a joke that vlade divac was the best center in the league?"

:yaohappy:

[tpols]

jokic is the answer to the question "what if the nba was such a joke that vlade divac was the best center in the league?"

:yaohappy:


if vlade was as good as jokic the kings wouldve won a few titles.

Next...

mate. :D

[SomeBlackDude]

if vlade was as good as jokic the kings wouldve won a few titles.

Next...

mate. :D

kings were jobbed. everyone knows that. :no:

[LAmbruh]

https://media.giphy.com/media/h5Kj4YMlwtctrhuT7D/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/hpQdnlQNNCBLjhCmqg/giphy.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYgDcQhr/illegal2.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/VLCZHFY2/illegal3.png (https://postimages.org/)

[scuzzy]

Soft American Whites have been naturally selected out of the NBA. Back then? Every team had them as starters! :oldlol: DRob is a bitch who'd have a career destroying meltdown midway his rookie season if he had to handle today's media. All in all they were a bunch of soft, media-coddled, phaggits abound in the 90s NBA. Unfortunately these losers were my heroes growing up.
Same :oldlol: They seemed so supernatural growing up


Looking back at old film and its a big ughhh

[superduper]

Imagine mods allowing this same garbage daily :oldlol:

[SomeBlackDude]

Imagine mods allowing this same garbage daily :oldlol:

imagine being a stat nerd and having to explain this:

"defense is so advanced now"

'18-'19
ortg: 110.4 (highest all time)
efg: .524 (highest all time)

https://media.giphy.com/media/122QOxNdtMg2uk/giphy.gif

[SpaceJam2]

You tell me, look at this


Imagine MJ having to face modern defense instead of this shit he was used to:

https://i.postimg.cc/nz43C3NT/90s_spacing.png

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

And

Just

Like

That :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

https://media.giphy.com/media/h5Kj4YMlwtctrhuT7D/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/hpQdnlQNNCBLjhCmqg/giphy.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYgDcQhr/illegal2.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/VLCZHFY2/illegal3.png (https://postimages.org/)

Ouch :lol

MJ fans?

[tpols]

these arguments arent winnable...

you will simply be trolled no matter the input.

[SomeBlackDude]

And

Just

Like

That :roll:

forgot to switch accounts, chief. :ohwell:

'18-'19
ppg: 111.2 (highest post merger/since '68-'69)
ortg: 110.4 (highest all time)
efg: .524 (highest all time)

[SpaceJam2]

forgot to switch accounts, chief. :ohwell:

'18-'19
ppg: 111.2 (highest post merger/since '68-'69)
ortg: 110.4 (highest all time)
efg: .524 (highest all time)

I'm sure by now everybody knows the 90s was an offensively unskilled era. I wonder how many Euro steps, step-backs, 7-footers taking 3s etc took place in 90s?

[SomeBlackDude]

I'm sure by now everybody knows the 90s was an offensively unskilled era. I wonder how many Euro steps, step-backs, 7-footers taking 3s etc took place in 90s?

had all that bullshit like 3 seasons ago, chief.

all time offensive records didn't start crumbling until this happened:

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZKvPFPg/NBA-Freedom-of-Movement.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/T25T73dB/NBA-Freedom-of-Movement-2.jpg


you and your 100 alts are out gunned, chief.

you're in completely over your head.

stand down.

#freedomofmovement

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/51/05/ff510553b2f03bd9078269b0ce38f4b5.gif

[Uncle Drew]

Imagine mods allowing this same garbage daily :oldlol:
If they didn't you'd have 0 posts.

[RRR3]

If they didn't you'd have 0 posts.
:roll:

[bigkingsfan]

2nd-3rd best center of the 90s:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-24-2019/us7jNn.gif


Even the backboard was weak back then.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/TD0NYrLpcnsTm/giphy.gif

[jayfan]

Stopped at We're.


.

[SomeBlackDude]

Even the backboard was weak back then.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/TD0NYrLpcnsTm/giphy.gif

4x scoring champion
2x finals mvp
1 season mvp

in this era:


Kevin Durant Remembers Being Laughed at During the NBA Combine Because He Couldn't Bench 185 Pounds

Durant remembers his Bench Press mishap as more than something to look back and laugh about now that he's become a superstar in the NBA. He remembers it more as a nightmare.

"I remember it like it was yesterday," Durant told ESPN. "All the strength coaches were laughing at me and s---. They were giggling with each other that I couldn't lift 185 pounds, and I was like, 'All right, keep laughing. Keep laughing.' It was a funny thing, because I was the only one that couldn't lift it and I was struggling to lift it. I was embarrassed at that point, but I'm like, 'Give me a basketball, please. Give me a ball.'"

https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9yv23J/kevin-durant-back-tattoo-20-durants-stomach-tattoos-jpg.jpg

i'm in automatic kill mode. can't turn it off.

everyone stand down.

for the love of buddha.

stand down.

:(

[SpaceJam2]

If they didn't you'd have 0 posts.

:roll: :roll:

[Uncle Drew]

Stopped at We're.


.
If you stopped at we're you wouldn't know if the usage was correct or not. Therefore, I conclude that this is a lie.

[bigkingsfan]

4x scoring champion
2x finals mvp
1 season mvp

Six different franchise, career journeyman. :(

[jayfan]

If you stopped at we're you wouldn't know if the usage was correct or not. Therefore, I conclude that this is a lie.

Well played.

I stopped after reading the title.

[SomeBlackDude]

Six different franchise, career journeyman. :(

this is what 6 team journeymen used to look like in the 90s:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5mTxDcnJa6Y/UDMnC_W9x4I/AAAAAAAAKKo/obzjytdnIBg/s640/Kevin+Willis2.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/fxj1G0N/Kevin-Willis-Spurs.jpg

100% guaranteed this man could bench 185 lbs.

meanwhile the best scorer in this weak era couldn't even lift grocery bags if his life depended on it.

ain't nobody safe.

stand. down.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-27-2019/0WPrKT.gif

[SpaceJam2]

this is what 6 team journeymen used to look like in the 90s:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5mTxDcnJa6Y/UDMnC_W9x4I/AAAAAAAAKKo/obzjytdnIBg/s640/Kevin+Willis2.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/fxj1G0N/Kevin-Willis-Spurs.jpg

100% guaranteed this man could bench 185 lbs.

meanwhile the best scorer in this weak era couldn't even lift grocery bags if his life depended on it.

ain't nobody safe.

stand. down.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-27-2019/0WPrKT.gif

:lol

So now skill is all about muscle? You are a funny guy.

Let me guess, both of them were part-time auto mechanics and grocery Baggers? What a joke

[bigkingsfan]

this is what 6 team journeymen used to look like in the 90s:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5mTxDcnJa6Y/UDMnC_W9x4I/AAAAAAAAKKo/obzjytdnIBg/s640/Kevin+Willis2.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/fxj1G0N/Kevin-Willis-Spurs.jpg

100% guaranteed this man could bench 185 lbs.

100% guaranteed this man would be on the bench today.

[SomeBlackDude]

:lol

So now skill is all about muscle? You are a funny guy.

Let me guess, both of them were part-time auto mechanics and grocery Baggers? What a joke

it's gotta sting something fierce to always know your boy was humiliated time after time on the biggest stage by a dude with the strength of newborn caterpillar


Kevin Durant Remembers Being Laughed at During the NBA Combine Because He Couldn't Bench 185 Pounds

Durant remembers his Bench Press mishap as more than something to look back and laugh about now that he's become a superstar in the NBA. He remembers it more as a nightmare.

"I remember it like it was yesterday," Durant told ESPN. "All the strength coaches were laughing at me and s---. They were giggling with each other that I couldn't lift 185 pounds, and I was like, 'All right, keep laughing. Keep laughing.' It was a funny thing, because I was the only one that couldn't lift it and I was struggling to lift it. I was embarrassed at that point, but I'm like, 'Give me a basketball, please. Give me a ball.'"


https://i.postimg.cc/Hs9yv23J/kevin-durant-back-tattoo-20-durants-stomach-tattoos-jpg.jpg


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/1c/3f/3f1c3f325882092a9eb46098159ec54f.gif

https://gmsrp.cachefly.net/images/18/06/09/08f6fa793aaf8fca7aeba869d69e4b7f/960.jpg

kd185 be like "is this yall legoat?!"


https://media1.tenor.com/images/6ad053d3c9f780c71d6a625e42017e2c/tenor.gif

:yaohappy:

[SomeBlackDude]

100% guaranteed this man would be on the bench today.

100% guaranteed he'd be in conversation as the best center in the league.

dude put up 18/16 in the slow paced 90s and no one batted an eye.

but you think kevon looney would make the league over him?

:roll:

[Smoke117]

Wheels and all his alts at it again. :facepalm

[Real14]

Mods?:biggums:

[bigkingsfan]

100% guaranteed he'd be in conversation as the best center in the league.

dude put up 18/16 in the slow paced 90s and no one batted an eye.

but you think kevon looney would make the league over him?

:roll:
kevon looney is about to threepeat

[SomeBlackDude]

kevon looney is about to threepeat

how much can he put up on the bench doe? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxrc_srfyFE)

:confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

how much can he put up on the bench doe? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxrc_srfyFE)

:confusedshrug:
That's why he was on the bench, empty stats. Half a block.

[tpols]

I remember it like it was yesterday," Durant told ESPN. "All the strength coaches were laughing at me and s---. They were giggling with each other that I couldn't lift 185 pounds, and I was like, 'All right, keep laughing. Keep laughing.' It was a funny thing, because I was the only one that couldn't lift it and I was struggling to lift it. I was embarrassed at that point, but I'm like, 'Give me a basketball, please. Give me a ball.'"



thats actually pretty gangsta...

[SomeBlackDude]

thats actually pretty gangsta...


and I was like, 'All right, keep laughing. Keep laughing.'

https://pics.me.me/when-youre-getting-roasted-but-got-no-comeback-so-all-29927281.png

gangsta.
























https://media1.giphy.com/media/TD0NYrLpcnsTm/giphy.gif

[And1AllDay]

So since Bron is stronger then p much every player ever thanks for this info

Bron Bron > Ordan, Snake Durant

Good to know :cheers:

[tpols]

So since Bron is stronger then p much every player ever thanks for this info

Bron Bron > Ordan, Snake Durant

Good to know :cheers:


uhh... the moral of the story is skill > strength.

Kevin understood this.

[Elosha]

You tell me, look at this


Imagine MJ having to face modern defense instead of this shit he was used to:

https://i.postimg.cc/nz43C3NT/90s_spacing.png

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

WTF? :rolleyes: You're posting a tiny sliver of the court barely showing MJ and Price and NONE of the rest of the court, and using that completely irrelevant picture to make a broad critical statement about 90's defense in general?

Your analytical skills lead me to believe there remains no hope for our educational system. :facepalm

[90sgoat]

https://streamable.com/qjo86

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

That's straight up embarassing for the NBA.

:roll:

[paksat]

just look at trae young carrying the ball in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0eHoglH5Rk&fbclid=IwAR1RjMZ6WfW3W6K5MXMEOdsAzFmFxWZGitab39tez XNKLL0CnKAgP4NLIQc

people can shoot the 3 better, but that's just because they've been doing nothing but practicing that

[superduper]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[And1AllDay]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

B-b-b-b-but 90s defense

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

[superduper]

B-b-b-b-but 90s defense

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

Wtf is the point of that picture? :oldlol:

Someone 3-4 inches shorter than Jordan...okay? Like 80% of the NBA is 3-4 inches shorter than Bran.

Meanwhile...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

[LostCause]

Aren't there already like 4 of these threads floating around? Why not just keep the chats there instead of making a new thread?

Anyway, defense in the 90s was fine. I'd say defenses today while "smarter" in comparison to the 90s, are less effective. The latest rule changes basically crippled it to the point I don't foresee it being fixed until we get more rule changes to restore defensive impact

Posting little clips of 90s defense, or today's defense, doesn't matter. Anyone who extensively watched both will quickly dismiss those clips for not being reflective of the actual product.

The best defensive era was the early 2000s defense. The game was slowed down so much, rules had to be put in place to open it up. That says all you need to know

IIRC, only 8 or 9 or so defenses in NBA history had a -8.0 rDRTG. The ones that attained that are widely regarded as the best defensive trams in NBA history. 2 of them were from the 90s (92 Knicks, 96 Bulls). The last modern team to have a defense that effective was the 2008 Celtics. Bill Russell's Celtics and IIRC the 04 Spurs and Pistons round out the list (Might have to verify - been a while since I've looked at it)

[BigShotBob]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll: