Bernie Sanders suggests Disney use Avengers profits to pay workers higher wages

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE][I]Bernie Sanders has an idea on how Disney could ensure all its employees earn a "middle class wage" with the snap of its fingers.

Sen. Sanders, I-Vt., suggested Monday it would be

[TheMan]

I actually agree with Sanders here. I used to work for the cruise line industry and I was on the front lines involved in Sales for that company, and I was barely bringing home $1000 a paycheck. In the meantime, they'd roll out these billion dollar luxury ships and I'm at home eating Ramen noodles.

If you're the lowest employee at Disney, you're still a part of Disney. And if Disney is successful at the box office, you should be included in that success.
Effing communist

[Patrick Chewing]

Effing communist


You racist POS

lol

[Nanners]

its a great sign for Bernie that even an idiotic and selfish ****face like patty cakes can get behind his "socialist" policies when they personally experience hardship...

its also completely baffling that patty is regularly unable to feel a single iota of empathy for the enormous percentage of americans who are stuck in shit jobs with shit wages like his cruise line job...

[Jameerthefear]

its a great sign for Bernie that even an idiotic and selfish ****face like patty cakes can get behind his "socialist" policies when they personally experience hardship...

its also completely baffling that patty is regularly unable to feel a single iota of empathy for the enormous percentage of americans who are stuck in shit jobs with shit wages like his cruise line job...
his post shows how smooth his brain is. can't put himself in other's shoes.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Bernie Sanders is only in favor of wealth redistribution when it's convenient for him... anyone who thinks this guy is an honest champion of the people can walk into traffic for their level of ignorance.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/politics/bernie-sanders-millionaire-book-sales-tax-returns/index.html

I mean, he defends himself with this line...

"I didn't know that it was a crime to write a good book which turns out to be a bestseller," Sanders said at a community meeting in Gary, Indiana.


Well no shit jackass, but what did you do with the profits from the book? Oh... you pocketed them? In other words, you used the free market to keep the funds gained from your labor? Oh, really? lol. Holy hell.

It's like... there's just zero level of introspection there on his part whatsoever. It's downright pathetic. He's really quite stupid, tbh. I thought for the longest time it was just a stance he took for political gain. Nope... turns out that he's just dumb.

Bernie Sanders is embarrassingly hypocritical and lazy. It's actually shocking just to the degree of which it is. LOL.

[CelticBaller]

Politicians shouldn

[Patrick Chewing]

its a great sign for Bernie that even an idiotic and selfish ****face like patty cakes can get behind his "socialist" policies when they personally experience hardship...

its also completely baffling that patty is regularly unable to feel a single iota of empathy for the enormous percentage of americans who are stuck in shit jobs with shit wages like his cruise line job...


You're a miserable little **** aren't ya?


And how am I selfish? If a regular American works hard and becomes wealthy as a result, why should they then be taxed upwards to 70% of their income as some people have proposed?

[Nanners]

Bernie Sanders is only in favor of wealth redistribution when it's convenient for him... anyone who thinks this guy is an honest champion of the people can walk into traffic for their level of ignorance.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/politics/bernie-sanders-millionaire-book-sales-tax-returns/index.html

I mean, he defends himself with this line...

"I didn't know that it was a crime to write a good book which turns out to be a bestseller," Sanders said at a community meeting in Gary, Indiana.


Well no shit jackass, but what did you do with the profits from the book? Oh... you pocketed them? In other words, you used the free market to keep the funds gained from your labor? Oh, really? lol. Holy hell.

It's like... there's just zero level of introspection there on his part whatsoever. It's downright pathetic. He's really quite stupid, tbh. I thought for the longest time it was just a stance he took for political gain. Nope... turns out that he's just dumb.

Bernie Sanders is embarrassingly hypocritical and lazy. It's actually shocking just to the degree of which it is. LOL.

Clearly logic isnt your strong suit :oldlol:

If Bernie Sanders made a ton of money on his book... wouldnt that mean his wealth redistribution proposals are inconvenient for him?

You would really benefit from some of Bernies free college, you ****ing idiot :roll:

[Ben Simmons 25]

Clearly logic isnt your strong suit :oldlol:

If Bernie Sanders made a ton of money on his book... wouldnt that mean his wealth redistribution proposals are inconvenient for him?

You would really benefit from some of Bernies free college, you ****ing idiot :roll:

So he’s not going to do the redistribution of his own wealth himself unless the government forces his hand?

**** out of here, you utterly clueless and completely missing the point moron.

Socialists really do like telling OTHER people how to spend their money. Lazy ****s. LOL.

[Nanners]

You're a miserable little **** aren't ya?


And how am I selfish? If a regular American works hard and becomes wealthy as a result, why should they then be taxed upwards to 70% of their income as some people have proposed?

you are selfish because you came in here bitching about how unfair it was that you were paid $1k/wk on your cruise ship job, yet you consistently show zero sympathy for the millions of americans who work similar shitty jobs for shit wages.

[Nanners]

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]So he

[Ben Simmons 25]

so you are saying that people should not be allowed to hold the opinion that the wealthy should pay more in taxes unless they are giving away all of their money?

...and you are calling me a moron? :roll:

You really are so painfully clueless it

[Nanners]

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]You really are so painfully clueless it

[Ben Simmons 25]

But more to the point in a broad sense... if you don

[Ben Simmons 25]

You think that politicians should have to give away their money in order to propose any tax increase on the wealthy... but I am the clueless one :oldlol:

A wealthy person wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy is the opposite of a hypocrite, you shit-for-brains jabroni

Lol. Clueless ****.

You literally can

[Kblaze8855]

Accepting a job for the pay offered is you saying it

[Ben Simmons 25]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Accepting a job for the pay offered is you saying it

[Patrick Chewing]

yet you consistently show zero sympathy for the millions of americans who work similar shitty jobs for shit wages.


Uhh no I don't show it one way or the other. What I do want is for people to work hard and to get better paying jobs.

What I don't want is government handouts or the government forcing burger joints to pay their employees ridiculous sums of money for doing simple menial tasks.

Every job is different and every skill is different.

[Hawker]

I actually agree with Sanders here. I used to work for the cruise line industry and I was on the front lines involved in Sales for that company, and I was barely bringing home $1000 a paycheck. In the meantime, they'd roll out these billion dollar luxury ships and I'm at home eating Ramen noodles.

If you're the lowest employee at Disney, you're still a part of Disney. And if Disney is successful at the box office, you should be included in that success.

Probably takes awhile to make up the money to pay for the billion dollar luxury ship, it's upkeep, maintenance, parts as well as pay everyone who works on the ship.

Maybe you should go find a job for one of the companies that makes the parts for the cruise ship.

[Hawker]

You think that politicians should have to give away their money in order to propose any tax increase on the wealthy... but I am the clueless one :oldlol:

A wealthy person wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy is the opposite of a hypocrite, you shit-for-brains jabroni

Uh yeah...he's a hypocrite and has zero self awareness.

He thinks he should be rewarded for writing a best selling book. That same logic could apply to Jeff Bezos and any other rich person that moron likes to complain about. Bernie is low IQ and so are his followers when it comes to economics, taxes and jobs.

And the increased productivity is due to technology and machinery hence the disassociation of the two. This should pretty easy to grasp.

[Patrick Chewing]

Probably takes awhile to make up the money to pay for the billion dollar luxury ship, it's upkeep, maintenance, parts as well as pay everyone who works on the ship.

Maybe you should go find a job for one of the companies that makes the parts for the cruise ship.


That was 15 years ago. I have my own business now.


The cruise line industry is corrupt. The people that work on the ships all get paid minimum wage. If you're not an officer, you're just concierge then. One of the liners just got popped for dumping fuel out in the Atlantic on purpose.

The real money to be paid is owning your own Travel Agency. But working for the actual cruise company and promoting their products is futile. You have so much competition working against you. I.E. Travel agents, Internet, etc.

[Hawker]

That was 15 years ago. I have my own business now.


The cruise line industry is corrupt. The people that work on the ships all get paid minimum wage. If you're not an officer, you're just concierge then. One of the liners just got popped for dumping fuel out in the Atlantic on purpose.

The real money to be paid is owning your own Travel Agency. But working for the actual cruise company and promoting their products is futile. You have so much competition working against you. I.E. Travel agents, Internet, etc.

So you got out of the shit job and worked your way up.

That

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=Hawker]So you got out of the shit job and worked your way up.

That

[Hawker]

Well of course. I saw people with more money and fancier cars than me, and I said to myself, "I want that".

The first thought that popped into my head wasn't "Gee, I hope one day a politician makes it a law for the rich to fork over 70% of their profits just so I can afford a Range Rover too." :oldlol:


These lazy Libs.

I agree with that. They think 22 year olds should have rebutting a 50 year old have while putting in none of the work.

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Accepting a job for the pay offered is you saying it

[diamenz]

i think sanders' supporters are about as much concerned with how much he earns and gives back as trump supporters are about him grabbin' 'em by the p***y or making fun of a disabled guy. in the end it's all about what people think said politician is gonna do for their welfare. in this dirty game, can u blame them?

[Hawker]

i think sanders' supporters are about as much concerned with how much he earns and gives back as trump supporters are about him grabbin' 'em by the p***y or making fun of a disabled guy. in the end it's all about what people think said politician is gonna do for their welfare. in this dirty game, can u blame them?

Except one is about stealing other people's money (actual value) and one is about a vague intangible like "lack of character" or "lack of respect."

Trump's never pretended to be some moral guy so the equivalency is not the same.

Bernie thinks he should be rewarded for writing a best seller novel while he doesn't think others should be rewarded for their hard work. That's what his ideology is - use of the government to take from others while their money remains untouched.

[Kblaze8855]

Bernie makes 180K a year from his job and is running for a job that pays him 400K now and 200+ for life all of which would be taxed. Hes obviously pushing a plan to raise his own taxes as well....including anything he earns on future books.

You think believing taxes should be higher means you and your family should live off bread and water?

Its clear his taxes would rise like everyones.

[bladefd]

Well no shit jackass, but what did you do with the profits from the book? Oh... you pocketed them? In other words, you used the free market to keep the funds gained from your labor? Oh, really? lol. Holy hell.


What about the labor of the people who made Avengers going into the pockets on filthy rich executives and actors but nothing into the people who did the labor? Executives like CEO isn't out there promoting or doing any kind of physical labor but he gets massive bonuses for something his lowly workers did.. yet the workers get no credit and no bonus for the movie they worked on. Thoughts?


It's like person x creates something with his sweat and tears, but person z gets all the credit and bonuses only because he is higher on the totem pole..

[diamenz]

Except one is about stealing other people's money (actual value) and one is about a vague intangible like "lack of character" or "lack of respect."

Trump's never pretended to be some moral guy so the equivalency is not the same.

Bernie thinks he should be rewarded for writing a best seller novel while he doesn't think others should be rewarded for their hard work. That's what his ideology is - use of the government to take from others while their money remains untouched.

i'm not entirely up on sanders' policy specifics, but i'm pretty sure he just wants the 1% to pay their fair share in taxes instead of doing things like abusing off shore tax havens. or at the very least not giving large corps tax breaks.

the media (fox) can really blow him out of proportion the same way they (msnbc, cnn) did and still do with trump. the reality is that he isn't as far as left as people make him it out to be, because the entire spectrum has been shifted to the right for a long time now.

[Hawker]

i'm not entirely up on sanders' policy specifics, but i'm pretty sure he just wants the 1% to pay their fair share in taxes instead of doing things like abusing off shore tax havens. or at the very least not giving large corps tax breaks.

the media (fox) can really blow him out of proportion the same way they (msnbc, cnn) did and still do with trump. the reality is that he isn't as far as left as people make him it out to be, because the entire spectrum has been shifted to the right for a long time now.

Define "fair share" and give me a number. Why is his definition of fair the correct definition and why should be able to force it onto others through government force?. The top 1% pay 40% of the income tax in the USA. Is that not enough at the moment?

Nobodies abusing off tax havens anymore it's just not the 1950s where the US is the only player on the market. The question he should be asking as to why money is being moved there and not kept in the US. But he doesn't want to ask those questions - he feels entitled to their money.

[Hawker]

What about the labor of the people who made Avengers going into the pockets on filthy rich executives and actors but nothing into the people who did the labor? Executives like CEO isn't out there promoting or doing any kind of physical labor but he gets massive bonuses for something his lowly workers did.. yet the workers get no credit and no bonus for the movie they worked on. Thoughts?


It's like person x creates something with his sweat and tears, but person z gets all the credit and bonuses only because he is higher on the totem pole..

Are they not getting paid? Are they not obtaining additional experience that they can leverage for a new and higher paid job elsewhere?

You clearly have never worked a job in management. It's higher pay for a reason. Physical labor doesn't necessarily mean more stress.

Executive CEOs created the opportunities and jobs for the invididuals who worked on Avengers.

If Avengers bombed, do you expect the workers to also share in the failure?

[Kblaze8855]

What about the labor of the people who made Avengers going into the pockets on filthy rich executives and actors but nothing into the people who did the labor? Executives like CEO isn't out there promoting or doing any kind of physical labor but he gets massive bonuses for something his lowly workers did.. yet the workers get no credit and no bonus for the movie they worked on. Thoughts?

Why would the ground floor laborers get some great deal of money or credit?

They dont make the movie what it is. I can roll carts of muffins over to Chris Evans. Chris Evans has to sell Cap to the viewer. THe director has to frame it. The writer has to give him words. The producer has to gather everyone and the studio head has to green light it.

Yea...someone has to drive a truck or 30. Someone also has to keep the toilets clean and make sure RDJ trailer is the right temperature. But they dont make the movie a success.

[egokiller]

Anyone who says money doesn

[solar.hands]

Why would you tell people how to run their business? Isnt that some form of dictatorship? If these workers arent getting paid properly theyll leave. They are not dumb.

[Cleverness]

Why would you tell people how to run their business? Isnt that some form of dictatorship? If these workers arent getting paid properly theyll leave. They are not dumb.


Accepting a job for the pay offered is you saying it’s enough for the work requested. End of story.

Here is a video about the Disney worker only making $15.70/hr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLBXXkkQMU


its also completely baffling that patty is regularly unable to feel a single iota of empathy for the enormous percentage of americans who are stuck in shit jobs with shit wages like his cruise line job...

How are they stuck?

What is the "enormous percentage" of Americans who are stuck in shit jobs through no fault of their own?

[bladefd]

Are they not getting paid? Are they not obtaining additional experience that they can leverage for a new and higher paid job elsewhere?

You clearly have never worked a job in management. It's higher pay for a reason. Physical labor doesn't necessarily mean more stress.

Executive CEOs created the opportunities and jobs for the invididuals who worked on Avengers.

If Avengers bombed, do you expect the workers to also share in the failure?

How can you justify the CEOs and upper executives collecting all of the bonuses? Do you not believe some of that profit should funnel down to those at the bottom? $20-$30mill bonuses are hard to justify for someone who already makes millions yearly for work that doesn't even amount to that to justify such extreme incomes.

[hold this L]

Why would the ground floor laborers get some great deal of money or credit?

They dont make the movie what it is. I can roll carts of muffins over to Chris Evans. Chris Evans has to sell Cap to the viewer. THe director has to frame it. The writer has to give him words. The producer has to gather everyone and the studio head has to green light it.

Yea...someone has to drive a truck or 30. Someone also has to keep the toilets clean and make sure RDJ trailer is the right temperature. But they dont make the movie a success.
Tbf I've heard even from friends that Marvel is cheap as hell when it comes to paying VFX studios. :facepalm

[hold this L]

Define "fair share" and give me a number. Why is his definition of fair the correct definition and why should be able to force it onto others through government force?. The top 1% pay 40% of the income tax in the USA. Is that not enough at the moment?

Nobodies abusing off tax havens anymore it's just not the 1950s where the US is the only player on the market. The question he should be asking as to why money is being moved there and not kept in the US. But he doesn't want to ask those questions - he feels entitled to their money.
40% without tax evasion is more than fair. Anybody who asks for more than 50% should not be taken seriously at all.

[Cleverness]

How can you justify the CEOs and upper executives collecting all of the bonuses? Do you not believe some of that profit should funnel down to those at the bottom? $20-$30mill bonuses are hard to justify for someone who already makes millions yearly for work that doesn't even amount to that to justify such extreme incomes.

Disney has 200,000 employees

Let's funnel that $30m to them

That means $150 per employee. I'm sure the employees will receive a lot more than that in their next paycheck, no?

[Cleverness]

40% without tax evasion is more than fair. Anybody who asks for more than 50% should not be taken seriously at all.

focusing only on income tax... in CA for federal, state, and FICA:

35% federal
2.35% FICA
9.3% state

= 46.65%

for every dollar made above $205k :eek:

[bladefd]

Disney has 200,000 employees

Let's funnel that $30m to them

That means $150 per employee. I'm sure the employees will receive a lot more than that in their next paycheck, no?

Add up bonuses of ALL executives and whoever else who received bonuses. Not everyone should get equal bonus amounts but should vary by hours worked and salaries.. Should be a lot more than $30mill total.

[Hawker]

How can you justify the CEOs and upper executives collecting all of the bonuses? Do you not believe some of that profit should funnel down to those at the bottom? $20-$30mill bonuses are hard to justify for someone who already makes millions yearly for work that doesn't even amount to that to justify such extreme incomes.

Because they put in a lot of work? Have you ever worked a job that isn't lower level? It's not as easy as you think it is dude.

And that profit is being funneled down...via A JOB.

Did those CEOs just magically become CEOs or did they have to start at some entry level job as well and work their way up?

[RoseCity07]

I'm honestly sick of Bernie Sanders. We need to get someone younger in there. He's not a real Democrat either. He's only one because it's convenient. He's a Democrat like Trump is a Republican.

[Kblaze8855]

Tbf I've heard even from friends that Marvel is cheap as hell when it comes to paying VFX studios. :facepalm


Apparently not cheap enough....since they agree to do with work. Im sure half the value in taking the job is being able to say you did the effects on the biggest or second biggest movie of all time. I bet it raises your rates for everyone else.

People really seem to have trouble with the idea of....not taking a job that doesnt pay what you want. Thats the ONLY way to raise wages naturally. Raise the standard. But it doesnt work...because shit work ALWAYS has millions of people realize its shit work not worth much money so they agree to come do it for next to nothing.

I know a guy doing it right now. He works retail and is complaining about his 40 cent raise. I asked him...why take the job? Because he had to work to move out of his father in laws house. Fine I say. Why didnt you keep putting in applications when you got the job that didnt pay enough? He wanted to give it a chance and see how the raises were he said. He did a shit job for shit pay for a year when South Carolina has BMW, 3M, Nissan, and a dozen otherp lants hiring for 18-23 dollars an hour starting.

Didnt even apply after he got his shit job.

Thats why the complaints of people with shit jobs ring hollow.

If you are unemployed....your job is to get a job. If you have a shit job...your job is to apply for better jobs. If you arent qualified....your job is to improve your qualifications be it through rising in the ranks at your shit job to gain supervisor experience, getting your GED, doing night classes, or learning a trade on the side.

You take a shit job...then do a bad job of it because it pays like a shit job? You settle into a shit life and dont work to improve it? You deserve to be 44 making 11.25 an hour. Your job doesnt owe you 19 dollars an hour to do work that others will do for 12. Your job which was founded and probably run by people who worked for their dream shouldnt have to do worse at ITS job(generating profit) because you dont match the hustle that made them big enough to employ you.

If you want better do better. If you arent willing to apply yourself apparently you dont want it that bad.

[Kblaze8855]

Add up bonuses of ALL executives and whoever else who received bonuses. Not everyone should get equal bonus amounts but should vary by hours worked and salaries.. Should be a lot more than $30mill total.



And when your shit compensation(relative to the market) causes the guys who run Marvel for Disney to work at Sony or Warner and make the DCU or whoever the new monsters and you lose out on several billion a year and the stock price drops and fewer films are made and thousands of people lose their jobs.....who wins exactly?

Jobs arent worth what your sentimentality says they are worth. They are worth what other people are willing to pay for the work. And with tens of billions of dollars on the line?

The difference between getting Catwoman or Green Lantern and Black Panther or Thor Ragnarok is worth paying the people who make the decisions to prevent that valuable. Green Lantern cost 200 million to make almost 10 years ago. The most recent Thor cost 180 million to make 5 times the money back. Black Panther cost the same as Green Lantern but made 7 times the money.

Think maybe theres more to making a movie and turning a profit than funneling money at it?

These are big money ventures that could turn a 2 billion dollar profit or lose hundreds of millions.

You pay the people who make the decisions that count.

The guy holding the camera has his role to play. So does the guy holding the mic and the people who drive guys around. But its not important enough to justify any significant portion of the money the producer got to pick the right director and get financing lined up. There are 250 million people who could with a bit of training hold a mic just fine.

Youre comparing manual labor to a vision that generates billion of dollars.

The real world knows the difference even if you dont care for it.

[Ben Simmons 25]

And when your shit compensation(relative to the market) causes the guys who run Marvel for Disney to work at Sony or Warner and make the DCU or whoever the new monsters and you lose out on several billion a year and the stock price drops and fewer films are made and thousands of people lose their jobs.....who wins exactly?

Jobs arent worth what your sentimentality says they are worth. They are worth what other people are willing to pay for the work. And with tens of billions of dollars on the line?

The difference between getting Catwoman or Green Lantern and Black Panther or Thor Ragnarok is worth paying the people who make the decisions to prevent that valuable. Green Lantern cost 200 million to make almost 10 years ago. The most recent Thor cost 180 million to make 5 times the money back. Black Panther cost the same as Green Lantern but made 7 times the money.

Think maybe theres more to making a movie and turning a profit than funneling money at it?

These are big money ventures that could turn a 2 billion dollar profit or lose hundreds of millions.

You pay the people who make the decisions that count.

The guy holding the camera has his role to play. So does the guy holding the mic and the people who drive guys around. But its not important enough to justify any significant portion of the money the producer got to pick the right director and get financing lined up. There are 250 million people who could with a bit of training hold a mic just fine.

Youre comparing manual labor to a vision that generates billion of dollars.

The real world knows the difference even if you dont care for it.

It always amazes me at how pragmatic your world view is on jobs and free market economics but yet you still remain a democrat... interesting.

Anyways... yeah, you're spot on.

And if those movies had lost hundreds of millions, as you say, are the workers at the bottom going to give part of their paycheck back? Please.

These people that are calling for people at the bottom of the barrel that don't want to work to have disproportionate pieces of the pie... are just ignorant. There's no other way to put it.



ALL THAT BEING SAID... and I'm going to stray off topic here, we are undoubtedly living in a broken society economically... and putting aside the federal reserve and central banking, which is a huge ass topic on its own, we have this problem where major corporations have seeped themselves into the entire national government and get laws passed that favor them and they are getting ridiculously more wealthy than they should. They do hold all of the risk with these companies, but when it's a rigged game and the risk is removed from the equation, we have a major problem.

On top of that, we have these corporations that become absolutely massive, the founder dies off or retires, and some shit bag takes over and bleeds it dry as much as possible without closing the doors for many many years, with no regard for the long term health of the company... and thus the employees by extension.

Whether that's the role of government to solve or not... eh, I think not... I think the free market takes care of that. But the problem is the market isn't truly free... not in 2019.

And ultimately... at the end of the day... the best result for all comes when the guys at the top are allowed to make the lion's share, but they make decisions to willfully reinvest in their employees and their companies. The problem is too many corporations corner aspects of the market and get taken over by shit bags... and yeah, it'll sort itself out over the long term, but short term(which could mean decades) the little guy is absolutely ****ed.

I have mixed feelings on this subject. I just know that I look at the bleeding hearts in this thread and I recognize that they don't want to truly work hard, at the end of the day, and it disgusts me. They want to tell other people what to do with the money they have earned. It's just disgusting. There's no other way to put it.

Unfortunately, we are not all born equal and raised in equal conditions which will yield equal outcomes. Life isn't fair. If someone has a problem with that fact, they should shake their fist at the sky and curse out God or mother nature, or whatever... because... yeah. Life isn't fair. But in America? The opportunity is plentiful... if you're not a completely lazy piece of shit.

[Patrick Chewing]

Unfortunately, we are not all born equal and raised in equal conditions which will yield equal outcomes. Life isn't fair. If someone has a problem with that fact, they should shake their fist at the sky and curse out God or mother nature, or whatever... because... yeah. Life isn't fair. But in America? The opportunity is plentiful... if you're not a completely lazy piece of shit.

Pretty much.

[Kblaze8855]

It always amazes me at how pragmatic your world view is on jobs and free market economics but yet you still remain a democrat... interesting.

It feels like you(and others here) think Democrats actually believe the things you say they do to make jokes.

The most hardcore democrat I know is a really no nonsense gun toting old marine with 2 purple hearts.

The way some of you talk it sounds like you think every registered democrat is chained to a tree looking for a paycheck for nothing.

The people you are usually talking about dont even vote.

[bladefd]

Because they put in a lot of work? Have you ever worked a job that isn't lower level? It's not as easy as you think it is dude.

And that profit is being funneled down...via A JOB.

Did those CEOs just magically become CEOs or did they have to start at some entry level job as well and work their way up?

Still not worth making $20 mill or more yearly while collecting insane bonuses on top of that while people under them are suffering.

Top 1% has as much wealth as half the country, and most of that has been since the 1970s. People are going bankrupt over medical bills & more than half of the country is living paycheck to paycheck while CEOs and other upper executives are collecting obscene amounts of money, enough for their grandchildren and extended families if they want.


I used this example before.. My dad used to work at this environmental company of around 100 people as analyst, making sh!tty salary and sh!t insurance. He was working 50hrs a week with zero raises and zero bonuses. At the end of each year, his CEO would pay himself million dollar bonuses while the workers got no bonus.

They started to lose business and began cutting back, firing people, moving work to India for $10/day per analyst, etc. They even cut back on Christmas parties to save money and my dad's hours increased to 60 for same hourly pay to compensate for fewer workers but no overtime pay (they would stick that under "extra money" rather than overtime hours on paystub). Some weeks my dad worked 70hrs. Management kept saying they were losing money. My dad said that at the end of the year, CEO still paid himself a million dollar bonus. For couple years they kept losing business/firing workers but the bonuses continued. My dad finally left them, and they begged him to stay. Even the CEO begged him to stay (like $1 hourly raise offered :oldlol: ). Anyways, I was flabbergast by it - they were losing money and CEO kept giving himself bonuses. He came in late often and often left early, while my dad was there all day w/ no raise, no bonus & working crazy hours for years without any complains & not taking any days off. This is the benefit of being upper level management versus an analyst or something.


Go look at income inequility and distribution of all incomes since the 70s. The relative differences in wealth distribution are not reasonable or pragmatic, and they keep growing while the middle/lower classes have been flat for decades (accounted for inflation)..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/2xJOe3rNlB5iK-xQBAzOl9iq-ik=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/FYBWPSR6YFDCNEWQ3O3MTLROZM.pnghttps://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/income-inequality-us.png

[Kblaze8855]

You realize CEOs can be removed right? Its a job. A board decides what to pay them. YOU...do not...and should not have a say. This here:


Still not worth making $20 mill or more yearly while collecting insane bonuses on top of that while people under them are suffering.

Is really a joke. Jobs are worth what other jobs pay for a similar role.

You dont want to be paid shit....leave the company. Start your own.

If you agree to work for whats offered....and its not enough..you are a moron...or you realized that your skills arent as valuable as you wish they were because nobody else is offering you more.

If you are valuable...find someone who sees it. If you arent...make yourself valuable.

Complaining about being on the bottom of a totem pole you choose to be on is just being an idiot.....or not being valuable.

Those are the options. Youre either making less money by choice....or other jobs dont value you enough to offer you more. Neither of which is your employers fault.

[tpols]

USA's exec/worker ratio is one of the worst in the world.

pure capitalism veers towards slavery. thats the end goal. (and foundation of USA)

Socialism lifted us out of the post industrial revolution great depression which was caused by... capitalists defrauding everybody.

[Kblaze8855]

Workers are in general just not capable of being more than that. Most just dont have the will or balls to take the leap to something more. So afraid to risk the nothing they have for something more. Guys out here flipping burgers as if you cant charge 15 dollars a linear foot to built picket fences and get paid 6000 dollars for a 3 day job with a helper that only has 1200 dollars in material.

I need to screenshot some of the people ive helped start business. You would think im lying if I just told you what this kid who used to work under me is doing as we speak. I had him on the verge of tears like 3 years ago because he was a do nothing clown at work and I pulled him aside and explained that he was gonna have a shit life if he continued and he texts me out of the blue years later about advice starting his business.

Hes building a 2 level deck on an indian dudes house for like a 12K profit.

People need tough love and guidance not sob stories about how someone more qualified than them makes more money in a company nobody makes them work for.

I see my role in poor peoples lives as showing them how to get other poor people working for them complain about income inequality. There are a lot of people too timid or too stupid to do their own thing and they spend their lives complaining about people who dont settle.

[tpols]

the vast majority of job demand will always be at the lower/mid level.

YOU can move up... but it will simply displace somebody else.

kblaze cant understand the big picture.

[Kblaze8855]

Kblaze isnt worried about moving up. I teach people to have others who are weak minded trying to move up under them.

The kind of person who ties their future to other peoples job openings has put a cap on his success out the gate.

Im creating wealth in actual poor people. You are talking fairytale bullshit on the internet. The shit I say works in the real world. And the reason it works so well is a huge population of followers to employ.

Someone like you worried about where the job demand is thinks 14 dollars an hour to build a fence for a company owner making 6K this week is a great deal because hes used to 10 an hour loading mulch. Your mindstate is why its so easy to find someone to polish floors for 200 dollars a day. Great money isnt it? Till you realize the 38 dollars a square foot they pay the owner of the machine means he made 40K a week and gave you 50K a year....when 18 thousand buys your own machine.

Taking advantage of the feeble-minded is key. A great way to find them is people worried about what rich people make while they keep showing up to jobs that make them even more.

[bladefd]

You realize CEOs can be removed right? Its a job. A board decides what to pay them. YOU...do not...and should not have a say. This here:



Is really a joke. Jobs are worth what other jobs pay for a similar role.

You dont want to be paid shit....leave the company. Start your own.

If you agree to work for whats offered....and its not enough..you are a moron...or you realized that your skills arent as valuable as you wish they were because nobody else is offering you more.

If you are valuable...find someone who sees it. If you arent...make yourself valuable.

Complaining about being on the bottom of a totem pole you choose to be on is just being an idiot.....or not being valuable.

Those are the options. Youre either making less money by choice....or other jobs dont value you enough to offer you more. Neither of which is your employers fault.

And you don't believe most people are greedy and out for only themselves? In my experience, people become corrupt easily. They will step over others every chance they get just to fulfill their ego. It sounds cynical, but it's true.

[tpols]

it works in your microcosm, it wont for 7 billion people.

your ancedotes have no relevance to a societal discussion.

[Kblaze8855]

This here is the start of a string of texts from the kid I mentioned. As I said didnt speak to him for years. I explained that he was pretty much a disappointing little bitch who was gonna end up the reason his son didnt have a head start in life that he wishes his own father gave him. Rough convo...but these kids(he was 20ish at the time) need it. Someone has to tell you to be a man. Show you how. I gave him the talk I give all the young people in my life complaining about how shit isnt fair.

I didnt think it took...and I get this out of the blue....

I skipped a few that had a lot of his personal credit information and some shit that isnt relevant. Just giving you an idea....



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I could show you another 20 pages. Me explaining how to start an LLC. Offering him use of my lawyer to help. Information on codes. How to find the true owner of a property by searching for the tax records of a plot to get to the source and around any property managers. How to get big jobs on developing properties that way. To keep a portfolio of everything hes built. How to write a business plan for a bank. How to get his credit repaired. Where to find employees.

I will show it all to you. You know I will put the effort in...but im gonna assume you take my word for it.

This is what I do.

I teach young poor people how to stop being poor.

It works. I have multiple people on the right track.

I dont talk on the internet. I live it. I set up 401Ks weekly. Im teaching teenagers about compound interest. Im helping people buy homes to stop renting. Im arranging babysitting so people can work. Im buying work boots. Im finding commercial real estate listings for people who dont know how.

Im a partner in a jewelry store, a car lot, and a roofing company.

I came from carrying rain water to flush the toilet and stealing power to keep the heat on for my little brothers.

Through absolutely nothing but hard work and refusing to settle nobody in my faily in going through it now and most of them will be better off than I am. My friends get their credit fixed. My friends kids get jobs because I put them on. I will give a car to a kid who needs to get to work.

You stay on here telling me what the little guy needs and how its not fair.

I wasthe little guy. And I help the little guy now.

Not with words. With deeds.

I do more for the poor than you probably ever will by complaing about how unfair the world is.

Ive let poor people I barely knew move into my house till they could get a job....

Ask GOBB. I had a homeless person I let stay with me part of a winter years ago. He used to **** with me about the homeless people on my porch and in my car.

Im pretty sure I see the big picture better than most of you. I deal with literal bums and millionaires the same day. Ive seen the beach houses and ive seen crack smoke coming from under my bathroom door. My mindstate isnt built off charts and useless bullshit online. Its built off a passion to help people and showing them it works if they work.

Call me a liar. I'll show you screen shots of 5 people im helping pull out of poverty with my own action...my own money...my own knowledge. People like me are a lot more useful to the poor than people worried about what taxes the rich pay or income inequality.

Im raising people from minimum wage....to be the rich people you call out for making too much money. And I couldnt be prouder of it.

[Kblaze8855]

it works in your microcosm, it wont for 7 billion people.

your ancedotes have no relevance to a societal discussion.


Get back to me when your words help people in the real world.

I got a guy started who makes 300K a year now at age 28. When I met him he made 9 dollar an hour in a lumber yard at 22.

The people who listen to me....have a zero percent failure rate.

Go talk that "Its not faaaaaair" shit to some people. Let me know how your proteges do.

When Rob finishes his deck and makes this 12K to finance the rest of what I told him to do ill post a pic of it. And the yard signs I got him to buy to advertise that he built it.

Keep talking. I'll keep doing. See who actually helps the poor the most.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Get back to me when your words help people in the real world.

I got a guy started who makes 300K a year now at age 28. When I met him he made 9 dollar an hour in a lumber yard at 22.

The people who listen to me....have a zero percent failure rate.

Go talk that "Its not faaaaaair" shit to some people. Let me know how your proteges do.

When Rob finishes his deck and makes this 12K to finance the rest of what I told him to do ill post a pic of it. And the yard signs I got him to buy to advertise that he built it.

Keep talking. I'll keep doing. See who actually helps the poor the most.

:roll:

:applause: :applause:

[qrich]

And you don't believe most people are greedy and out for only themselves? In my experience, people become corrupt easily. They will step over others every chance they get just to fulfill their ego. It sounds cynical, but it's true.


Is there truly anything more greedy than thinking you have a say on what others do with their money?

[Kblaze8855]

This really is one of the few things that I take personal on here. Ive had people call me a selfish republican(...) who doesnt understand the plight of the poor...

Ive put poor kids through college! Community college yes...but shit. Better than they could do at the time and they get out without owing student loans.

Im trying. People mad at me over my stance on taxes....meanwhile....im actually cooking for homeless shelters, giving people cars, and buying laptops for poor employees ive known who are trying to go to school.

I used to flick cockroaches off the couch onto the kerosene heater in the livingroom in a 2 bedroom home 9 people lived in with no other heat source.....but have people on the internet telling me I dont know how to break poverty for those willing to try.

When I see someone follow my instructions and fail ill believe hard work and saving money isnt a fool proof method.

[tpols]

Get back to me when your words help people in the real world.

I got a guy started who makes 300K a year now at age 28. When I met him he made 9 dollar an hour in a lumber yard at 22.

The people who listen to me....have a zero percent failure rate.

Go talk that "Its not faaaaaair" shit to some people. Let me know how your proteges do.

When Rob finishes his deck and makes this 12K to finance the rest of what I told him to do ill post a pic of it. And the yard signs I got him to buy to advertise that he built it.

Keep talking. I'll keep doing. See who actually helps the poor the most.


My words helping people in the real world have nothing to do with this discussion.

Were talking world wide economics and business practices here.

Youre talking blue collar ancedotal startups like everyone can be a CEO... hundreds of millions of people... billions of people.

youre delusional.

[Hawker]

Is there truly anything more greedy than thinking you have a say on what others do with their money?

This.

Bladefd somehow thinks he's more morally superior and knowledgeable than everybody else and should decide who gets paid what.

No thanks. Like you said, people get corrupted easily. Funny how bladefd believes this but somehow believes in more power to the government.

[Kblaze8855]

My words helping people in the real world have nothing to do with this discussion.

Were talking world wide economics and business practices here.

Youre talking blue collar ancedotal startups like everyone can be a CEO... hundreds of millions of people... billions of people.

youre delusional.


Of course the real world has nothing to do with your discussion because poor people arent your concern as much as pie in the sky bullshit that doesnt help anyone.

Im not the type to talk about how such and such makes too much money and post graphs that dont matter.

Im the one teaching people that the hundreds of millions of people looking for someone else to fix their lives are the REASON the few with balls can stop being poor.

I know most people cant. Because most people are either stupid, undisciplined, or ill informed. Thats why the numbers work. There are 300 million people in this country who will listen to you and never be shit because the government cant end poverty.

And there are a few million like me who will have your types working for them. My followers employ your followers at low wages because your followers are stupid enough to take 13 dollars an hour to make my followers 200 dollars an hour. Your guys cut grass. My side owns the mower and drops off bottles of water as he picks up the cash from the home owner.

[Hawker]

Still not worth making $20 mill or more yearly while collecting insane bonuses on top of that while people under them are suffering.

Top 1% has as much wealth as half the country, and most of that has been since the 1970s. People are going bankrupt over medical bills & more than half of the country is living paycheck to paycheck while CEOs and other upper executives are collecting obscene amounts of money, enough for their grandchildren and extended families if they want.


I used this example before.. My dad used to work at this environmental company of around 100 people as analyst, making sh!tty salary and sh!t insurance. He was working 50hrs a week with zero raises and zero bonuses. At the end of each year, his CEO would pay himself million dollar bonuses while the workers got no bonus.

They started to lose business and began cutting back, firing people, moving work to India for $10/day per analyst, etc. They even cut back on Christmas parties to save money and my dad's hours increased to 60 for same hourly pay to compensate for fewer workers but no overtime pay (they would stick that under "extra money" rather than overtime hours on paystub). Some weeks my dad worked 70hrs. Management kept saying they were losing money. My dad said that at the end of the year, CEO still paid himself a million dollar bonus. For couple years they kept losing business/firing workers but the bonuses continued. My dad finally left them, and they begged him to stay. Even the CEO begged him to stay (like $1 hourly raise offered :oldlol: ). Anyways, I was flabbergast by it - they were losing money and CEO kept giving himself bonuses. He came in late often and often left early, while my dad was there all day w/ no raise, no bonus & working crazy hours for years without any complains & not taking any days off. This is the benefit of being upper level management versus an analyst or something.


Go look at income inequility and distribution of all incomes since the 70s. The relative differences in wealth distribution are not reasonable or pragmatic, and they keep growing while the middle/lower classes have been flat for decades (accounted for inflation)..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/2xJOe3rNlB5iK-xQBAzOl9iq-ik=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/FYBWPSR6YFDCNEWQ3O3MTLROZM.pnghttps://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/income-inequality-us.png

Then give me the numbers of what it should be and why? Income inequality is not a major issue and age is never taken into account when discussing this.

There are some poor countries that have relatively equal incomes. Would you rather us be like that?

[tpols]

help the poor more...

:roll:

who will do that better?

the almighty kblaze and his 12-50 disciples, or a real tax plan that eliminates loop holes and forces giant conglomerates to actually pay their dues and contribute to society instead of sinking nations into unseen amounts of debt... that will eventually collapse society as we know it.

you tell me...

[qrich]

help the poor more...

:roll:

who will do that better?

the almighty kblaze and his 12-50 disciples, or a real tax plan that eliminates loop holes and forces giant conglomerates to actually pay their dues and contribute to society instead of sinking nations into unseen amounts of debt... that will eventually collapse society as we know it.


You mean, pay their dues to a government that has shown to be very.....reliable and trustworthy? :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Speaking of that.....

I bought an old 5 speed pickup and 2 mowers for 1600 dollars total. My neighbor who works with his cousin doing yards now pays me 200 a week for it and the mower. He makes about 200 a day using it himself.

When hes paid me back 3200 he can keep the truck and mowers for himself.

Know what that is? A win win.

Hes in business for himself, making 4 times the money his cousin paid him, I will double my money and he can make enough money to turn his gas on.

Thats real world help for real people.

Feel free to post a graph and then go watch the game while you talk shit about me helping every poor person I can.

[ROCSteady]

Painting this with extremely broad strokes on a macro level with no details or analysis, I actually like his idea, surface level. That

[Kblaze8855]

help the poor more...

:roll:

who will do that better?

the almighty kblaze and his 12-50 disciples, or a real tax plan that eliminates loop holes and forces giant conglomerates to actually pay their dues and contribute to society instead of sinking nations into unseen amounts of debt... that will eventually collapse society as we know it.


The one that will actually happen will help the poor more.

You talk shit you cant deliver about hypothetical situation that dont matter.

Im sure it makes you feel great. Know what makes me feel great?

Going to daddy daughter dances with little girls who have no active father and making sure she gets her fieldtrip money.

But im the problem here. Your talking that amounts to literally nothing? Thats what we need more of.

[bladefd]

Is there truly anything more greedy than thinking you have a say on what others do with their money?

I don't want to take anyone's money. I just want people to be reasonable - I want everyone to be reasonable.

When you are the richest country in the history of humanity yet more than half of your country is living paycheck to paycheck and people can't afford medicine.. It's a problem.

When a handful of individuals have as much wealth as half the country, it's a problem. When wages (accounted for inflation) have been stagnant for past 40 years for middle-class and low-class families, it's a problem. When insurance premiums keep increasing year after year, it's a problem.

I don't want anyone's money, but lets not act as if everything is peachy. We got our societal values backwards.

[qrich]

I don't want to take anyone's money. I just want people to be reasonable - I want everyone to be reasonable.

When you are the richest country in the history of humanity yet more than half of your country is living paycheck to paycheck and people can't afford medicine.. It's a problem.

When a handful of individuals have as much wealth as half the country, it's a problem. When wages (accounted for inflation) have been stagnant for past 40 years for middle-class and low-class families, it's a problem. When insurance premiums keep increasing year after year, it's a problem.

I don't want anyone's money, but lets not act as if everything is peachy. We got our societal values backwards.


"I don't want to take your car. I just want to use it whenever I like, and tell you what you can and can not do with or to it."

[tpols]

The one that will actually happen will help the poor more.

You talk shit you cant deliver about hypothetical situation that dont matter.

Im sure it makes you feel great. Know what makes me feel great?

Going to daddy daughter dances with little girls who have no active father and making sure she gets her fieldtrip money.

But im the problem here. Your talking that amounts to literally nothing? Thats what we need more of.


i didnt say you or i is the problem.

Youre a bo0tstraps guy who cant comprehend the big picture because youre so stuck in your own bravado.

We still need a discussion on income inequality because ultimately it is what will collapse this country.

[Ben Simmons 25]

i didnt say you or i is the problem.

Youre a bo0tstraps guy who cant comprehend the big picture because youre so stuck in your own bravado.

We still need a discussion on income inequality because ultimately it is what will collapse this country.

Income inequality isn't what is going to collapse the country.

That's going to be the result of the extreme debasement of the dollar due to the federal reserve's meddling which will eventually result in hyperinflation, a complete collapse and a worldwide shift to China as the world's lone superpower.

For the longest time, China has needed us because our countries are so interconnected... that becomes less true as more time goes by.

[Hawker]

i didnt say you or i is the problem.

Youre a bo0tstraps guy who cant comprehend the big picture because youre so stuck in your own bravado.

We still need a discussion on income inequality because ultimately it is what will collapse this country.

Why doesn't anybody ever want to compare income inequality by age group?

[Hawker]

help the poor more...

:roll:

who will do that better?

the almighty kblaze and his 12-50 disciples, or a real tax plan that eliminates loop holes and forces giant conglomerates to actually pay their dues and contribute to society instead of sinking nations into unseen amounts of debt... that will eventually collapse society as we know it.

you tell me...

They contribute to society by providing goods and services that individuals willingly buy and want.

Tax revenue increases year after year but yeah, lack of tax is what is killing this country.

[Kblaze8855]

Ok. Keep up your discussion that leads nowhere while I find people jobs, do meals on wheels deliveries, and front tuition money.

Youre doing great. This country needs more of you than it needs more of me.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Ok. Keep up your discussion that leads nowhere while I find people jobs, do meals on wheels deliveries, and front tuition money.

Youre doing great. This country needs more of you than it needs more of me.

:applause:

[bladefd]

This.

Bladefd somehow thinks he's more morally superior and knowledgeable than everybody else and should decide who gets paid what.

No thanks. Like you said, people get corrupted easily. Funny how bladefd believes this but somehow believes in more power to the government.

I don't want more power to government, but I do want a watchdog to ensure accountability and people are not taken advantage of.


Then give me the numbers of what it should be and why? Income inequality is not a major issue and age is never taken into account when discussing this.

There are some poor countries that have relatively equal incomes. Would you rather us be like that?

What should it be? Something more reasonable and pragmatic.

And age? You telling me 1% of the country is old & rich and everyone else is young & poor?

I don't want equal income across the board. I want income distribution at where it was in the 60s and 70s before it spiraled out of control for everyone but the richest. America was still by far the richest country on Earth then, but quality of living was better than today.

[bladefd]

"I don't want to take your car. I just want to use it whenever I like, and tell you what you can and can not do with or to it."

Richest country in HISTORY of HUMANITY yet half the country is fighting over scraps and barely have a roof over their heads. Can you explain how we don't have money for universal healthcare and continue to run up our deficits? Most other developed countries, who are not anywhere as wealthy, can afford universal healthcare for everyone and don't run up their deficits.

[Kblaze8855]

How many of those counties maintain military readiness to take action at a moments notice anywhere on the planet?

That

[Smoke117]

Ok. Keep up your discussion that leads nowhere while I find people jobs, do meals on wheels deliveries, and front tuition money.

Youre doing great. This country needs more of you than it needs more of me.

Narcissistic, too, apparently. Did you just pat yourself on the back enough?

[qrich]

Richest country in HISTORY of HUMANITY yet half the country is fighting over scraps and barely have a roof over their heads. Can you explain how we don't have money for universal healthcare and continue to run up our deficits? Most other developed countries, who are not anywhere as wealthy, can afford universal healthcare for everyone and don't run up their deficits.


What does that have to do with the fact that you are out here calling people greedy...while feeling you are entitled to their earnings?

[Cleverness]

We live in the greatest time to be alive in human history and in the greatest country to live in. We've won the lottery. To redeem the ticket, listen to Kblaze.

OR

Whine about how someone else made a lot of money and how they should make less as if it's a zero sum game. :hammerhead:



I used this example before.. My dad used to work at this environmental company of around 100 people as analyst, making sh!tty salary and sh!t insurance. He was working 50hrs a week with zero raises and zero bonuses. At the end of each year, his CEO would pay himself million dollar bonuses while the workers got no bonus.

They started to lose business and began cutting back, firing people, moving work to India for $10/day per analyst, etc. They even cut back on Christmas parties to save money and my dad's hours increased to 60 for same hourly pay to compensate for fewer workers but no overtime pay (they would stick that under "extra money" rather than overtime hours on paystub). Some weeks my dad worked 70hrs. Management kept saying they were losing money. My dad said that at the end of the year, CEO still paid himself a million dollar bonus. For couple years they kept losing business/firing workers but the bonuses continued. My dad finally left them, and they begged him to stay. Even the CEO begged him to stay (like $1 hourly raise offered :oldlol: ). Anyways, I was flabbergast by it - they were losing money and CEO kept giving himself bonuses. He came in late often and often left early, while my dad was there all day w/ no raise, no bonus & working crazy hours for years without any complains & not taking any days off. This is the benefit of being upper level management versus an analyst or something.


Your dad had great skills. He should have taken them outta that shit company much earlier. There's no other people to blame.

That company must have died soon after your dad left. It sounds like that company was dying quick.

If companies don't compensate their employees enough, then those employees leave and that company goes down the toilet. This happens irl.

[diamenz]

let's sit here and defend the 1%, guys. people that would piss on us if they had the chance.

[Cleverness]

let's sit here and defend the 1%, guys. people that would piss on us if they had the chance.

Define "the 1%"

[bladefd]

What does that have to do with the fact that you are out here calling people greedy...while feeling you are entitled to their earnings?

Great strawman argument there, richieboy.

I complain about paychecks being stagnant (after accounted for inflation) for the last 45 years for middle/low class people while skyrocketing out of control for the executives/actors/athletes/etc.. yet that makes me the entitled and greedy one..

:coleman:

[qrich]

Great strawman argument there, richieboy.

I complain about paychecks being stagnant (after accounted for inflation) for the last 45 years for middle/low class people while skyrocketing out of control for the executives/actors/athletes/etc.. yet that makes me the entitled and greedy one..

:coleman:

So me calling you out on your hypocriscy of calling others greedy due to the fact that you continually call for higher taxes to support x,y,z is me straw manning?

You can try to use "tax money on a noble cause," all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that you are the one being greedy by feeling that you are in a position to tell others how to spend their money.

[Hawker]

I don't want more power to government, but I do want a watchdog to ensure accountability and people are not taken advantage of.



What should it be? Something more reasonable and pragmatic.

And age? You telling me 1% of the country is old & rich and everyone else is young & poor?

I don't want equal income across the board. I want income distribution at where it was in the 60s and 70s before it spiraled out of control for everyone but the richest. America was still by far the richest country on Earth then, but quality of living was better than today.

How can I trust the watchdog?

Define reasonable. Define pragmatic. Stop being vague. What if I disagree with your definition of reasonable?

I would really doubt the quality of life was better than today. You should look towards every increasing immigration if you're so concerned. But you won't do that though since "it's racist!"

Everyone else isn't young and poor but people in the bottom 20% do move up and children of the top 1%/20% do move down. More people have escaped extreme poverty than ever before.

[Hawker]

Richest country in HISTORY of HUMANITY yet half the country is fighting over scraps and barely have a roof over their heads. Can you explain how we don't have money for universal healthcare and continue to run up our deficits? Most other developed countries, who are not anywhere as wealthy, can afford universal healthcare for everyone and don't run up their deficits.

Again, you never bring up limited unskilled immigration and increased taxes on the middle class that these countries also have. Stop obfuscating.

I guarantee you those countries run deficits every year as well.

[Real14]

You racist POS

lol
Definitely.

[Kblaze8855]

Narcissistic, too, apparently. Did you just pat yourself on the back enough?


No im not sure I did.

False modesty has little value.

Id assume you knew that considering you spend your time here playing judge over shit that doesnt even matter. I feel im more useful than others because I do my best to be. I can see the results in the lives of the people I try to help. Im not on here calling people stupid and inferior to me over liking a tv show that I dont....while watching anyway for some reason.

The meek may inherit the earth. But inherit is the right word because they wont get it till the non meek are dead.

The pride of accomplishment is a huge part of the motivation to accomplish more. And there is nothing wrong with telling a truth that makes you look good. We should all do it more.

We have a society of low confidence ******* who will ever get anything done because they dont believe in themselves. If you think you arent shit what are other people gonna think? It shows. You wear it like a cloak. Itsi n your walk. The eye contact. Your decisions. A low opinion of yourself is the death of your ambitions.

The people around me know I love me. But they tend to love me too. The best thing I ever did was stop being the quiet kid in the corner. That guy doesnt get anywhere unless hes working on something wild in his workshop at home. And even then...he needs someone like me to go sell it.

Im proud I helped my cousin become a home owner at an age I was still renting and trying to make ends meet. Should I pretend im not? **** that. You dont get extra credit for being humble. Nice guy points dont spend. The nice guys think they are smarter than everyone too. They just dont tend to have the confidence to say it. It isnt true humility to hide your pride in your accomplishments. Its disingenuous.

There isnt a rich/great/powerful person out there who isnt thinking "Look at me now bitches!". Not admitting it doesnt make you humble. It makes you fraudulent. Picking up on the insecurities of others is a great skill. In women. Business. Leadership. Life in general. And once you learn how to play that weakness in others you try not to show it yourself.

Its always there a little...but you gain nothing by letting it hold any sway.

[GimmeThat]

So Bernie wants to use his right for free speech to challenge others right to bare arm.

That's asking for a bullet

[NumberSix]

Narcissistic, too, apparently. Did you just pat yourself on the back enough?
People who actually do something to help people that pat themselves on the back is certainly more palatable than the constant back patting by people who don’t actually do anything but demand that the government raise other people’s taxes (but not their own) and use that money to help people.

Here’s the lefty mindset...

“I don’t do anything to help people, but I think OTHER people should, by force if necessary.”

They HILARIOUSLY believes that this somehow makes them morally superior people. It’s actually quite the opposite. Anyone who has this mentality is actually garbage.

[coin24]

Bernie is a knob, do people actually buy into this puppet?

[diamenz]

Define "the 1%"

:oldlol:

not the 99%.

[bladefd]

So me calling you out on your hypocriscy of calling others greedy due to the fact that you continually call for higher taxes to support x,y,z is me straw manning?

You can try to use "tax money on a noble cause," all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that you are the one being greedy by feeling that you are in a position to tell others how to spend their money.

Don't you get it that wealth redistribution already happened over the last 45yrs? And it went to those who already were affluent at the very top.. You and I have been under somebody's boot getting trampled over daily as they laugh their way to the bank in Rolls Royce being driven by a butler.

The word that keeps popping in my head is "Uncle Tom" but none of this pertains to race.. I guess you are the "Uncle Tom" of economics? Getting your face trampled along with your parents and grandparents before that over the last 45 years - I'm sure they worked hard hard their whole lives under somebody else's boots taken advantage of like everyone else who is middle/low class and here you are defending that very boot. And I'm the one who you call greedy and entitled for bringing that up.. :rolleyes:

I am trying to not group together all rich people because that's obviously unfair and unreasonable. Plenty of people worked hard to reach that stature, but I also can't overlook the plight of the lower/middle-class people whose wages have been stagnant for last 45 years while the richest country in history became richer and richer.. All of the new money went to the handful of people at the top. What? The rest of the society is chopped liver or all lazy people sleeping around getting drunk & partying daily? C'mon..

[qrich]

Don't you get it that wealth redistribution already happened over the last 45yrs? And it went to those who already were affluent at the very top.. You and I have been under somebody's boot getting trampled over daily as they laugh their way to the bank in Rolls Royce being driven by a butler.

The word that keeps popping in my head is "Uncle Tom" but none of this pertains to race.. I guess you are the "Uncle Tom" of economics? Getting your face trampled along with your parents and grandparents before that over the last 45 years - I'm sure they worked hard hard their whole lives under somebody else's boots taken advantage of like everyone else who is middle/low class and here you are defending that very boot. And I'm the one who you call greedy and entitled for bringing that up.. :rolleyes:

I am trying to not group together all rich people because that's obviously unfair and unreasonable. Plenty of people worked hard to reach that stature, but I also can't overlook the plight of the lower/middle-class people whose wages have been stagnant for last 45 years while the richest country in history became richer and richer.. All of the new money went to the handful of people at the top. What? The rest of the society is chopped liver or all lazy people sleeping around getting drunk & partying daily? C'mon..

I'm an "Uncle Tom," because I believe those that feel they are entitled to someone else's earnings are greedy?

[Kblaze8855]

I'm an "Uncle Tom," because I believe those that feel they are entitled to someone else's earnings are greedy?


People genuinely have trouble getting their heads around the idea that not everyone feels entitled to a portion of the money earned by richer people than them.

Its a totally foreign concept.

I dont care what Jeff Bezos makes. Im one of tens of millions of people using his company. How stupid must I be to not expect his income to vaaaaaaaaaastly out pace some guy who puts ramen noodles in a box for him?

He goes from a few hundred thousand to a few hundred billion his employees are supposed to go from making 7 dollars an hour in 1999 to a rate equal to his increase? Of course not. They cant catch him. Hes going from thousands to billions. They went from 7 to 15. Of course the jump isnt equal. The wealthy can double their worth in 10 years off property values, stock, and so on. Do people think someone should go from 10 to 20 dollars an hour working at mcdonalds for 10 years? Are we just throwing out the window how brain dead stupid it would be to run a business and pay someone 20 bucks for work millions of people will do for 10?

Do they not realize its the millions of people steady accepting 10 that set the wages? That the only thing it would take for wages to raise is for people to decide they are worth more than they are being paid?

But it wont happen. Because the poor dont REALLY think their skills are that valuable. They wont say it but they know it. Thats why they will show up for shit money. A lawyer worked too hard for his job and the skills to justify it to take 10 dollars an hour. A master electrician. Hell a barber. People with time earned special skills will not let you pay them like they can be trained in a single morning. The poor will....because they know their job isnt worth much. They have all the power and they dont use it because they arent as bad off as you suggest and they know they should have a real skill to make real money.

The poor could raise wages in a month. Hell less than that. Let everyone making under 16 an hour not show up to work tomorrow.

The economy would go crazy on day one just fof the fear of whats happening and how long it could last. You would obliterate the stock market if the low wage workers of this country called out for 3 days.

Let every walmart have to run off 5 people....every fast food place close for the day...every poor daycare worker not show up so people had to call out to watch their kids...let one day of harvesting fruit get missed....let every janitor leave every bathroom shitty....let every medical assistant doing the work we think nurses do for good money but is mostly 12 dollar an hour assistants call out. Let every package ordered off amazon not get packed. Let every truck driver who does 14 hours for money he was told was for 10 not show up to drive.

You could do immense damage with 1-3 days of the poor and lower middle class sticking together. But they wont.

Because they are not as bad off as you think.

America has made it way too easy to be poor for its citizens to go to such extremes.

I was dead broke growing up....I still had good clean clothes, food, and health.

American poor isnt real poverty. It isnt suffering. Its...annoying.

If it were suffering to work these jobs people wouldnt be too afraid to lose them to band together. But the poor wont walk out on their jobs...because fact is...those jobs give them too much money to risk losing it. Those shit jobs support them. Along with the government.

People getting homes for 200 dollars a month and 400 a month to feed their kids are not desperate enough for a revolution.

The government is already doing enough to prevent that.

Take away section 8, income based apartments, and food stamps....you might get people to band together.

As it is?

Most poor kids are fat.

People dont get desperate when their kids are eating. They are far too well off to get desperate. And that lack of true bottom of the barrel poverty is why you can pay people 10 an hour. 10 an hour youre still ok you just dont like being broke and check to check.

Youre fine...just.....annoyed.

And revolutions arent started by the annoyed. They are started by the desperate. And these people are far from that no matter how many tears you wanna cry for them.

Most of these poor people eat 3 meals a day, 6 snacks, are fatter than kings of the old days and have money for smart phones and going to see the Avengers.

People like that arent trying to tear down society to get a raise. They are at work checking their snapchat and facebook and driving "old" 2011 Hondas and living a better life than most of the planet.

[bladefd]

I need someone to explain to me why it's perfectly okay for wages to be stagnant for the last 45 years (after accounted for inflation) for lower and middle-class families.. At the same time, the richest country in history got richer and richer, decade after decade after decade - most of that wealth went to the richest.

Someone, anyone explain to me how being aggravated about that makes me entitled or greedy.


P.S. I don't want that money to all go to lower or middle-class but I do expect wages to go up consistently to keep up with inflation.. Rich can still get richer at high rate but not to the extreme lopsided levels we have seen.

[Kblaze8855]

Do you have any idea how prices are set? The price of anything. A loaf of bread....the price for someone to cut your grass...whatever.

Do you understand how this happens?

If so...how do you keep asking these questions?

Do you think what a company pays people is pulled out of a hat? You realize that if they reduce wages enough people would quit...and the wages are set...where people will keep showing up.

Is this really hard to understand?

[qrich]

If it were suffering to work these jobs people wouldnt be too afraid to lose them to band together. But the poor wont walk out on their jobs...because fact is...those jobs give them too much money to risk losing it. Those shit jobs support them. Along with the government.

People getting homes for 200 dollars a month and 400 a month to feed their kids are not desperate enough for a revolution.

The government is already doing enough to prevent that.

Take away section 8, income based apartments, and food stamps....you might get people to band together.


Right on the head.

I have a buddy of mine, who, while growing up, had his dad work at a mom and pop owned shop and mom was the home maker. They had Section 8 (or some sort of rent help), Medi-Cal and EBT fully paid for, were paying around $300 for a 3 bedroom house. Medi-Cal had $0 premium, CoPay/CoInsurance. No idea how much EBT they received, but was a decent enough amount to feed all four of them.

Dad was technically working 60 hours a week, but only ~30 were reported. He was working for well below the minimum wage. Had he been working for minimum wage, they would lose their EBT, would still qualify for Medi-Cal but with premiums and lose their housing subsidy.

Millions of folks are in similar situations, where a $1 raise at work would cost them an enormous amount in public benefits, be it EBT, Health Insurance, Rent aid, day care aid, etc., that simply wouldn't be covered by the whopping ~$175 a month extra.



Someone, anyone explain to me how being aggravated about that makes me entitled or greedy..

I've already explained what makes you come out as a greedy/entitled person.

[bladefd]

I've already explained what makes you come out as a greedy/entitled person.

You are intentionally avoiding the body of the issue.

"I need someone to explain to me why it's perfectly okay for wages to be stagnant for the last 45 years (after accounted for inflation) for lower and middle-class families.. At the same time, the richest country in history got richer and richer, decade after decade after decade - most of that wealth went to the richest."

Read that portion and tell me that you are good with that ^ happening. Forget everything we discussed or argued about so far but focus on that bold part. That's the whole crux of the issue.

[qrich]

You are intentionally avoiding the body of the issue.

"I need someone to explain to me why it's perfectly okay for wages to be stagnant for the last 45 years (after accounted for inflation) for lower and middle-class families.. At the same time, the richest country in history got richer and richer, decade after decade after decade - most of that wealth went to the richest."

Read that portion and tell me that you are good with that ^ happening. Forget everything we discussed or argued about so far but focus on that bold part. That's the whole crux of the issue.

Why are people allowing that to happen should be the question, not "why's it okay?"

Why are people not going for better/higher paying jobs? Why are they settling for what they are comfortable in or relying on government?

If I own a business, I put forth all the risk. I have common skilled jobs, with people that would work for below the min if they could....and my business makes a ton of money, am I not entitled to the profits, considering I put forth all the risk?

[bladefd]

Do you have any idea how prices are set? The price of anything. A loaf of bread....the price for someone to cut your grass...whatever.

Do you understand how this happens?

If so...how do you keep asking these questions?

Do you think what a company pays people is pulled out of a hat? You realize that if they reduce wages enough people would quit...and the wages are set...where people will keep showing up.

Is this really hard to understand?

If you pay someone $11 a hour, people will show up to work. Their only other option may be $9 a hr. You know very well how supply and demand works - if you have no other option, you will work what is available.

Yes, you can work your way out of it - I am not saying you can't. But to act as if everything has been peachy over last 4 decades is a farce as well. American dream used to mean something in 60s and 70s but those days are shriveling up.

[tpols]

We want mo.

[bladefd]

Why are people allowing that to happen should be the question, not "why's it okay?"

Why are people not going for better/higher paying jobs? Why are they settling for what they are comfortable in or relying on government?

If I own a business, I put forth all the risk. I have common skilled jobs, with people that would work for below the min if they could....and my business makes a ton of money, am I not entitled to the profits, considering I put forth all the risk?

Of course you are entitled to those profits as owner, but you also should pass some of that along to your workers rather than hog them all for yourself. It shouldn't be all or nothing.

You believe in trickle down economics, do you not? Idea began around Reagan days and goes something like this: "If an employer makes more, the benefits will pass down to the employees too." Whatever happened to that idea? Tossing it out the window when put to the fire??

Good, we finally agree that trickle down economics is a farce and a PR ploy. It's never worked as it is conceptualized. People at the top tend to take that profit for themselves. It should trickle down, but it never does. And you admit that's exactly what you want it to be like.

[qrich]

Of course you are entitled to those profits as owner, but you also should pass some of that along to your workers rather than hog them all for yourself. It shouldn't be all or nothing.

You believe in trickle down economics, do you not? Idea began around Reagan days and goes something like this: "If an employer makes more, the benefits will pass down to the employees too." Whatever happened to that idea? Tossing it out the window when put to the fire??

Good, we finally agree that trickle down economics is a farce and a PR ploy. It's never worked as it is conceptualized. People at the top tend to take that profit for themselves. It should trickle down, but it never does. And you admit that's exactly what you want it to be like.

If it's my business, and I put in the risk, why "should" I have to give my employees anything more than they agreed to?

In theory, trickle down is how the world should work. However, in practice, it doesn't. You are also the one promoting trickle down by saying the business owner "should" pass down profits.

You also keep mentioning the 60s and 70s as "the great days." Ironically, that is also when government started to get more involved with food stamps and starting Sec8, etc. Do you find that interesting, at all?

You also said the American Dream is dead, though, with social media, I'd say entrepreneurship is up. The flip game especially.

I've made $700 in a week before, when I was in between jobs by finding free shit on Craigslist and flipping it.

[Hawker]

I need someone to explain to me why it's perfectly okay for wages to be stagnant for the last 45 years (after accounted for inflation) for lower and middle-class families.. At the same time, the richest country in history got richer and richer, decade after decade after decade - most of that wealth went to the richest.

Someone, anyone explain to me how being aggravated about that makes me entitled or greedy.


P.S. I don't want that money to all go to lower or middle-class but I do expect wages to go up consistently to keep up with inflation.. Rich can still get richer at high rate but not to the extreme lopsided levels we have seen.

How have wages stagnated anyway?

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files?file=2018-11/54646-Distribution_of_Household_Income_2015_0.pdf

Average income is up 32% according to the CBO if you trust them.

[Hawker]

Of course you are entitled to those profits as owner, but you also should pass some of that along to your workers rather than hog them all for yourself. It shouldn't be all or nothing.

You believe in trickle down economics, do you not? Idea began around Reagan days and goes something like this: "If an employer makes more, the benefits will pass down to the employees too." Whatever happened to that idea? Tossing it out the window when put to the fire??

Good, we finally agree that trickle down economics is a farce and a PR ploy. It's never worked as it is conceptualized. People at the top tend to take that profit for themselves. It should trickle down, but it never does. And you admit that's exactly what you want it to be like.

If you have a job and you're getting paid, trickle down economics is working.

That's a democrat nickname btw.

[bladefd]

In theory, trickle down is how the world should work. However, in practice, it doesn't. You are also the one promoting trickle down by saying the business owner "should" pass down profits.

I would expect that but it never happens. What actually happens is everyone for themselves..

Case in point: If we were to eliminate income taxes tomorrow for all Americans, incomes still won't go up for employees. The employers will either pocket the extra money or focus on stock buyback.


You also keep mentioning the 60s and 70s as "the great days." Ironically, that is also when government started to get more involved with food stamps and starting Sec8, etc. Do you find that interesting, at all?

We can flip that around and distort it. America as a whole got much richer between 60s and now while getting more involved in food stamps, medicare and other social programs. Does that mean social programs are why America got richer? Correlation is not always causation :confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

If you pay someone $11 a hour, people will show up to work. Their only other option may be $9 a hr. You know very well how supply and demand works - if you have no other option, you will work what is available.

Complete your thought. Think this through.

The people who take 11....they dont show up.

What happens to the company? What are the two options?

You know what they are. Increase wages or go out of business.

Why are they not forced to do that?

Because the many many maaaaaaaaaaaany millions of people who find 11 an hour acceptable for the work they have to do.

One person refusing to do it doesnt matter when 16 million people find it ok.

You thinking these people should be paid more is meaningless because THEY will show up to do it for the money offered and **** over the guy saying the offer isnt enough.

You are paid what the next man will do the job for with some consideration for the quality of employee the company wants.

The person keeping wages down....is the person accepting the low wage.

You are asking someone running business to be flat out stupid.

And that isnt even going into the fact that higher wages for shit work generally brings in more qualified applicants which just push out the previous people who cant/wont match their effort.

Most of the people making 8 an hour at Mcdonalds CANT step in for the people chick fila pays 13. Chick fila pays for people who hustle...who are polite...who are precise. They hire people in college, kids from church groups the operator knows, and ex managers from Hobby Lobby.

They dont get the burnout working 3rd shift at the gas station. That guy doesnt fit the hole chick fila needs filled. Chick fila pays more...so they can get better people.

Costco employees go harder than Walmart because they give you more money and benefits....and can be pickier because of it.

You dont just give a 9 dollar employee 15. You raise the pay then fire him when you get someone who wouldnt have applied for a 9 dollar job. Sound harsh? Might be. But go out in the real world. Read resumes for a 9 dollar an hour job vs a 16 an hour job.

9 dollar an hour applicants fail the drug test like 30-50% of the time.

The 16 an hour applicants have an actual printed resume, worked 14 years in the field, and if they do drugs they have the sense to stop during a job search.

Interview these people and you would understand. Decent money jobs gets you retired cops, guys who used to run their own business, reliable factory workers who got laid off, former assistant managers from Ace Hardware and guys who just got out of college but cant find anything in their field yet.


A 9 dollar an hour job gets guys who are looking for a new job quick because they got caught stealing at Wendys and they want to be hired before the case gets settled and its on their record.

A lot of people would end up out of a job if the standard raised too much too fast. You can get by with 2 people who deserve 15 instead of 3 who deserve 11. Ive done it. Ive had up to 24 people directly under me in my current job. Give me the 10 best I ever had all at once the other 14 can get off my payroll.

The rate of automation and firing of shitty workers would be hilarious in the world you think you want.

You would see Kiosks in every fast food place within 6 months of getting them all paid real money.

There are so many real world issues it feels you arent considering im not sure you are putting a lot of thought into this....

[qrich]

I would expect that but it never happens. What actually happens is everyone for themselves..

Case in point: If we were to eliminate income taxes tomorrow for all Americans, incomes still won't go up for employees. The employers will either pocket the extra money or focus on stock buyback.



We can flip that around and distort it. America as a whole got much richer between 60s and now while getting more involved in food stamps, medicare and other social programs. Does that mean social programs are why America got richer? Correlation is not always causation :confusedshrug:


And you are saying that in theory, not in practice. Just like, in theory, the Democratic titled trickle down sounds like Utopia.


I thought you were talking about "the individual" and not "America as a whole?"


I've answered your questions. Now, I'm waiting for you to explain to me how your train of thought, in which you think that you should penalize those who make more for "x,y,z" isn't you feeling that you are entitled to their money?

[Kblaze8855]

If it's my business, and I put in the risk, why "should" I have to give my employees anything more than they agreed to?

This really should be all there is to it.

If 3 people wanna cut my grass...one wants 40 bucks...one wants...30...one wants 25...I let the 25 guy cut it.

Im the asshole for giving him 25 dollars?

Might I actually give him 30 if I happen to have it? Sure.

But its no indictment on my character if I dont. Hes the one who decided what the job was worth.....

[Stephonit]

This really should be all there is to it.

If 3 people wanna cut my grass...one wants 40 bucks...one wants...30...one wants 25...I let the 25 guy cut it.

Im the asshole for giving him 25 dollars?

Might I actually give him 30 if I happen to have it? Sure.

But its no indictment on my character if I dont. Hes the one who decided what the job was worth.....

If you knew the guy was in desperate circumstances does that affect the morality of it?

[Kblaze8855]

The kind of desperate to get my attention wouldnt require him cutting the grass to get help from me. And the kind of desperate in question isnt fixed by 30 dollars instead of 25.

If a guy in question needs 30 but undercut someone else broke to get his job....then demand the same while the other guy goes off to hopefully find work? Hes the immoral one. A deal is a deal. Be a man.

[qrich]

If you knew the guy was in desperate circumstances does that affect the morality of it?


So should companies base the wage they offer on how desperate someone is at that point?

Does that mean that when said individual is no longer desperate, they can lower his wage?

[qrich]

This really should be all there is to it.

If 3 people wanna cut my grass...one wants 40 bucks...one wants...30...one wants 25...I let the 25 guy cut it.

Im the asshole for giving him 25 dollars?

Might I actually give him 30 if I happen to have it? Sure.

But its no indictment on my character if I dont. Hes the one who decided what the job was worth.....

Bingo.

A while back, I was having trouble finding a new job, so I settled for retail work and knew I'd get hired essentially on the spot as it was the Black Friday/Holiday season. I went into the interview, aced it. When they told me the hourly (and it was min), I asked if there was anyway to make it higher. Came back with a quarter more, was hesitant. Ended up making a buck an hour more than my fellow seasonal co-workers (and the same as a few tenured folks). And yes, a $1 more isn't a whole lot, but the amount isn't the point.

Why?

Because I ASKED.

If they said no, I could easily have walked across the street to Toys R Us. Fail there? K-Mart. Sears. If it all fails, accept the min wage at the last stop.

[Nanners]

amazing that kblaze can find so much free time to post giant walls of nonsense text on this dumpster fire of a website while simultaneously creating/running several businesses and teaching dozens of clueless young people how to bootstrap themselves out of poverty. :oldlol:

also amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable

[solar.hands]

What is an acceptable level of income inequality?

[Cleverness]

amazing that kblaze can find so much free time to post giant walls of nonsense text on this dumpster fire of a website while simultaneously creating/running several businesses and teaching dozens of clueless young people how to bootstrap themselves out of poverty. :oldlol:

also amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable

Do you think he is lying or telling the truth about his real life endeavors? I believe he's being truthful.

Also, I had a couple of follow-up questions for what you said earlier

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13688513&postcount=37

[Cleverness]

This really is one of the few things that I take personal on here. Ive had people call me a selfish republican(...) who doesnt understand the plight of the poor...

People call you that because what you've said ITT would only fly at a conservative event. A conservative crowd would be roaring with cheers if you repeated all this.

Lefty events otoh focus on how you are the victim... and how gov't programs will save you from the oppressors.

[Cleverness]

:oldlol:

not the 99%.

Circular reasoning.

You're a smart guy. Try again.

[Cleverness]

I need someone to explain to me why it's perfectly okay for wages to be stagnant for the last 45 years (after accounted for inflation) for lower and middle-class families.. At the same time, the richest country in history got richer and richer, decade after decade after decade - most of that wealth went to the richest.

Someone, anyone explain to me how being aggravated about that makes me entitled or greedy.


P.S. I don't want that money to all go to lower or middle-class but I do expect wages to go up consistently to keep up with inflation.. Rich can still get richer at high rate but not to the extreme lopsided levels we have seen.

While I actually agree a little bit with you about income inequality and how it is an issue, potentially with AI in the future, I think you're missing some key things

Purchasing power has increased. Like Kblaze pointed out,


"Most of these poor people eat 3 meals a day, 6 snacks, are fatter than kings of the old days and have money for smart phones and going to see the Avengers.

People like that arent trying to tear down society to get a raise. They are at work checking their snapchat and facebook and driving "old" 2011 Hondas and living a better life than most of the planet."

You need to account for benefits and the many laws that (supposedly) protect workers.

https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-poop-patrol-employees-make-184000-a-year-2018-8

Poop patrol employees make $112,918 per year... in benefits. Total compensation is $184,000/yr. !! :eek: :eek:


AND

As others have pointed out, welfare programs provide INCENTIVES to make less money. I personally know several people who intentionally make less money to stay on gov't welfare programs.

[bladefd]

This really should be all there is to it.

If 3 people wanna cut my grass...one wants 40 bucks...one wants...30...one wants 25...I let the 25 guy cut it.

Im the asshole for giving him 25 dollars?

Might I actually give him 30 if I happen to have it? Sure.

But its no indictment on my character if I dont. Hes the one who decided what the job was worth.....

That's a temporary job where whoever you hire does what you hire them for and you never see them again. I expect permanent workers to be treated with more dignity. If you work for a single company for years, I would expect occasional raises and bonuses when your company is doing well. If your company is not doing well then I can understand layoffs.

Instead this is what we see more often than not. When company is doing well, regular bonuses for upper executives/employers and nothing extra trickling for employees. When company is not doing well, employees start to get laid off but bonuses to upper executives continue. Employee pay also does not account for inflation in most companies.. There are some exceptions like fortune 500 companies but few and far in between

[Cleverness]

That's a temporary job where whoever you hire does what you hire them for and you never see them again. I expect permanent workers to be treated with more dignity. If you work for a single company for years, I would expect occasional raises and bonuses when your company is doing well. If your company is not doing well then I can understand layoffs.

Instead this is what we see more often than not. When company is doing well, regular bonuses for upper executives/employers and nothing extra trickling for employees. When company is not doing well, employees start to get laid off but bonuses to upper executives continue. Employee pay also does not account for inflation in most companies..

Even though much of what you said was incorrect, what is your solution to this made up problem?

Also, as Kblaze pointed out earlier, employee pay is determined by how much an individual's labor is worth. Is there a better way to determine how much an employee is paid at a painting company in Montana? That should be between the employee and the employer. Let me know if you think otherwise.


Think about what you are saying about these "executive bonuses" you harp about

Both company A and company B are not doing well.

In your example, company A gives bonuses to the executives

But you forgot about company B, who doesn't give bonuses to the executives for doing a shit job. Instead, company B fires those executives and gets new ones.

Which company has a greater chance of doing well in the future?

[diamenz]

Circular reasoning.

You're a smart guy. Try again.

ask a stupid question and u get a stupid answer.

[Cleverness]

ask a stupid question and u get a stupid answer.

It's not a stupid question for (at least) two reasons:

One, many people have different definitions of who "the 1%" is.

Two, asking you to clarify the people you are demonizing is critical to the discussion.


Also, it should be easy for you to define "the 1%" based on your strong convictions. That is, if you actually believe in what you are posting.

[NumberSix]

What is an acceptable level of income inequality?
Income inequality doesn

[Kblaze8855]

amazing that kblaze can find so much free time to post giant walls of nonsense text on this dumpster fire of a website while simultaneously creating/running several businesses and teaching dozens of clueless young people how to bootstrap themselves out of poverty. :oldlol:

also amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable


Its only amazing because you dont think it through or give it a shot. I dont run several businesses. Id call what I do...asking questions and finding answers. I help people realize they can do it....and I will help them figure it out. Im gonna give you two examples I hope will show you how simple what im doing is...


One of my best friends worked for a guy for a few years. Guy had a tire shop. He was paid to run the whole shop all day since the owner didnt really do manual labor. He just hired people to do it.

Im there one day and I ask him where the used tires come from and he outlines a scheme that to me....was pretty brilliant.

Lets say you go to a rim shop...or a new tire place...even a normal mechanic that sells tires. You get 4 tires. There is a fee you pay on each for recycling. You pay 3-5 bucks a tire depending on the size. Fine. Its a 500-1000 dollar purchase. The extra 10 bucks or whatever you dont even notice.

But where do those tires go? Do they actually get recycled?

Hell no. Maybe Firestone or Walmart...some corporate entity? They may actually dispose of them legally. Small shops and so on who dont have storage space for hundreds of extra tires? They just sell them. To who?

Used tire shops.

You get in good with a place or two that has dozens of tires a week to get rid of. You buy them from that guy for about the same as the recycling fee he charged the customer. So...youre buying gently used tires for 2-3 bucks. Selling them for 25. You sell em like crack to poor people who dont have 150 bucks for a new tire.

In fact...you are selling them for WAY more than the profit margin for selling actual crack.

Used tire money is better than dope money. And when you really hit stride? you stock new tires too. And when someone buys a set....they PAY YOU a recycling fee.....for tires you turn around and sell.

I ask him why if he has the contacts after all this time running the operation for the owner he doesnt just run his own. He says the machines to change tires and shit cost thousands of dollars and he doesnt have a shop either.

I tell him to give me a model number off the machine at work. Turns out.....a used one is like 1500 bucks.

And you know where you find shop space?

https://greenville.craigslist.org/off/d/greenville-large-secured-lot-and-garage/6869237586.html


Go through a few ads you realize the used tire game is spreading. You see ads saying:

https://greenville.craigslist.org/off/d/taylors-location-location-shop-garage/6855170580.html


Sorry, no oil changing, auto mechanics, Or tire shops


But you can find places cool with it.

So I ask him....if hes like 4K(deposit/first month/machine) from making crack money legally why doesnt he do it. Hes got 3 kids. His tax returns are wild.

Hes scared as people often are....but you help them understand the money being lost longterm by not risking the short term. It took me YEARS to talk him into even trying.

Finding shop space, running the numbers, and fronting the machine cost isnt me running a business. Its me helping....to help him and myself.

Just like the guy I mentioned who does yards. A 25 year old small pickup and some lawn mowers is nothing next to 200 a week for him to rent the use of it till hes paid me back and then some.

Same as I helped a friend become a car dealer.

He knew a guy who always kept him in new cars. Not new new...but...different. Hes in a different car every year. Guy named Nidal would always hook him up with something. Hes always talking about the guy. Seems the guy sells the cars....sometimes he lets my friend drive one till it sells...drive around with a "For sale" sign. Sometimes hed buy one from the guy outright. For years....when he needs a car..he calls Nidal.

As usual....I have to know more. Turns out he uses local auctions to get them cheap to flip. Lots of auctions around here but some have dealer only days where the good stuff goes fastest and often...cheapest. The dealer auction buys up cars from large sellers who have a lot more to move so they live off volume not high prices of each car.

But the public cant just get into a dealer auction. So I wonder...what makes one a car dealer?

Turns out...its just having an office from which you sell cars. But to keep people from claiming that with a home office you cant register your home address or use an in home office with a lot elsewhere.

But what you CAN do?

Build or buy a shed....run power to it...put a file cabinet in it...a table...and a laptop. You call the city and instead of it being 123 ISH dr...you get it listed as 123B ISH drive.

Bam.

You can be a car dealer. Thats why you see car dealers on big lots that just have a school portable or a big shed or something weird like an old shipping container as an office.

Now...you pay 1800 dollars for a 2014 KIA you can park in your yard and put ads on craigslist for or register with the local credit unions as a dealer so you can offer financing. Buy here/pay here has a few more regulations but getting off the ground as a dealer? Its easy.

Cost you maybe 1200 bucks. Now you flip cars.

[Kblaze8855]

It isnt me starting or running these things.

Its just me asking questions and helping with the speed bumps on the way to opening.

I ask everyone I know what they do...and why they cant do it for themselves.

Most dont listen. Some do.

Some dont seem to but come back later for help(Like Rob in the texts I posted). I have family, friends, cousins, and employees current and former who seek me out for advice because they get sick of working for other people and know ill help.

You could go help people start businesses tomorrow off nothing but asking questions and google.

Im helping a woman I know find space for a nail shop now. My cousin was only a few hours short of being a master barber but quit years ago. I got him to go back to try to finish. After that....you rent chair access to other barbers in a shop they cant legally open themselves. You dont even have to cut hair. Just keep your certification up to date.

This is what I do. Ask questions and help with the answers. If I can get a cut by helping them start...win win.

Everyone eats. Thats how its supposed to be. Most people who come to me for advice or help I cant do anything with...but ill sit down and talk. Ive had people from my old hood ask me to front coke money. Im not doing that...but generally? You have an idea id love to talk to you about it.

Its really not that time consuming or difficult.

Ive helped people get machines to print T shirts. Helped a friend get the programs to design club promo flyers he sells to promote birthday parties and so on. I tell everyone who has a side hustle the same thing I told the guy in the texts posted. If you can make a dollar off it you can get rich off it. Just live by that 50 cent motto. "You getting money? If I can get none with ya then **** ya".

I'll help...and I find a way to get something out of it. So I might be involved as in....I get a little money on the back end. But im not running shit. Id call myself an informal consultant. I barely even know what im doing. You know how often the answer to someones question is "Well....lets google it". I WANT them to know that they can do this themselves.

I just help them see how achievable it is if they try.

[Kblaze8855]

also amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable

Im just an adult in a world full of children.

Income inequality is a rallying cry to get people behind you who dont understand the world. Most of you are no different than the female hockey players and WNBA mad over their pay.

Does it suck that female hockey players make like 10K a year so they cant afford to do it as their only job? Yes it does.

But if the answer is trying to shame the NHL and NBA into further subsidizing a product that isnt very good to artificially boost salary.....youre pretty much admitting the league needs to shut down but shouldnt be allowed to out of sentiment. Female athletes out here on twitter supporting the boycott and giving quotes like:



Mary-Kay Messier, a vice president with equipment supplier Bauer Hockey, urged the NHL to step in.

“I believe that in order to develop a long-term viable women’s professional hockey program, the National Hockey League must be in an ownership position,” she wrote on Twitter. “It’s not just about financial support. It’s about a long-term vision and the required resources, including the expertise, to effectively promote the women’s game.”

They are trying to make the NHL buy their league and pay the players like men.....when the men have an AUDIENCE to generate revenue. It is not sound business to increase the pay of people who arent difference makers individually.

The only reason this can get serious discussion is sentiment. You have to leave your brain in the hall and operate off uncut "Awwwww.....this is terrible...." sadness fuel.

You types try to weaponize sentiment in a world where feelings are immaterial but things cost money that has to come from somewhere. I feeeeeeeeeeeel like nobody should be poor. But my brain knows...poor is relative. Poverty cant be defeated in any realistic scenario. All you can do is create a world where the poor can still make it. And America has done it.

Im not even in favor of this shit when it would benefit me directly.

As some of you know I tried uber driving some time ago(I told you...im trying just about anything that earns money...I have a need to understand how it works). Lot of Uber/lyft drivers wanna strike for a day or two to make uber make drivers employees with minimum pay and benefits.

Uber has never turned a profit. But its supposed to start paying millions of people more and giving health insurance? People actually think that the corporate people making millions means they have billions in unclaimed cash just sitting around to pay drivers. As if even 10 billion dollars spread over 7 million drivers is a lot of money....

Its essentially a one time bonus not even counting insurance. Then wheres the next 10 billion coming from?

People love to latch onto a few big name companies that relative to the poverty problem in the world/country are really not that big. Yes. Walmart could pay more. And it will. Target goes to 15 an hour next year. Amazon is already at 15. Home depot I think 12 and rising. Walmart will have to slowly follow them all. Ge? HP? UPS? Ford? BMW? All of them either pay well or are getting there(UPS pays loaders like shit but its rising). Most of the biggest companies are having to raise pay for exactly the reason ive told you it goes up...

Quality people not taking jobs for 9 dollars an hour anymore. This is a "problem" that solves itself. The very minute Mcdonalds cant get fully staffed for 9 dollars they will make 11....then 12. Right up to the point 6 tablets on a wall and one in a drive thru sonic style replace cashiers entirely and they can run a store with 3 people even in a rush.

Big companies are not gonna just lose money. They will just fire people and work the remaining good workers to death at a higher wage thats still less total wages than keeping everyone from before at the lower wage.

Youre gonna get an Amazon stressed out heart attacks left and right environment in a lot more places because companies will not pay 15-16 dollars to a slacker when they can get a great worker for that money and take advantage of him.

A place like mcdonalds is built to make money by any means and if the board an CEO are at risk of losing millions they are gonna fire all the little people they can and go automation with half the number of well paid employees doing 3 times the work slackers used to do for 9 dollars.

There is no happy ending for the kind of unskilled labor that gets "stuck" in shit jobs. You make a company pay people better they take advantage by firing the shit employees and paying new and better people.

The big business will not take the L. They never do.

Carmelo? The 24 year old who has been making fries since he was 17? He takes the L.

This world is not made for Carmelo to prosper and no feelings will change that.

[Nanners]

Its only amazing because you dont think it through or give it a shot. I dont run several businesses. Id call what I do...asking questions and finding answers. I help people realize they can do it....and I will help them figure it out. Im gonna give you two examples I hope will show you how simple what im doing is...



:oldlol:

Actually when you think it through you come off like a lying idiot.



I dont talk on the internet. I live it. I set up 401Ks weekly. Im teaching teenagers about compound interest. Im helping people buy homes to stop renting. Im arranging babysitting so people can work. Im buying work boots. Im finding commercial real estate listings for people who dont know how.

Im a partner in a jewelry store, a car lot, and a roofing company.

Heres just one out of several of the laughable claims you have made in this thread.


Im there one day and I ask him where the used tires come from and he outlines a scheme that to me....was pretty brilliant.

lol... this used tire shop example absolutely reeks of bullshit.

No company in the business of recycling tires is going to be selling their "gently used" tires for 3-5 bucks each, if anybody knows about tire value its going to be the people who work around them every goddamn day, and tire shops like firestone tend to keep a significant inventory of used tires on hand.

Clearly you didnt bother to actually read the craigslist links you posted, because if you had you would have seen that the second one says

"Sorry, no oil changing, auto mechanics, Or tire shops,"

Neither of the shops you linked appear to have enough space to service more than one car at a time, and with the razor thin profit margins in the used tire flipping game its going to be very hard to pay your rent and employees when your facility limits you to a small volume of customers, and theres no guarantee that you are going to be attracting enough customers anyway... its not like there is a lack of used tire shops in this country.

Now if you were someone who had actually been involved with starting as many businesses as you claim, I doubt you would have made this post... I dont have much experience with small businesses and yet I can still see several obvious flaws with what you are saying.


Turns out...its just having an office from which you sell cars. But to keep people from claiming that with a home office you cant register your home address or use an in home office with a lot elsewhere.

But what you CAN do?

Build or buy a shed....run power to it...put a file cabinet in it...a table...and a laptop. You call the city and instead of it being 123 ISH dr...you get it listed as 123B ISH drive.

Bam.

You can be a car dealer. Thats why you see car dealers on big lots that just have a school portable or a big shed or something weird like an old shipping container as an office.

Now...you pay 1800 dollars for a 2014 KIA you can park in your yard and put ads on craigslist for or register with the local credit unions as a dealer so you can offer financing. Buy here/pay here has a few more regulations but getting off the ground as a dealer? Its easy.

Another great example of how you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about. You cant just build a shed in your yard or whatever and start selling cars out of it... I would think that a supposed business genius like you would be aware of this little thing called "zoning".

Theres a reason used car salesmen are notorious for being shady, its quite difficult to make decent money as an honest used car salesman. Buying cars at dealer auctions is fairly risky, as you wont have a chance to give the vehicle a thorough inspection prior to bidding, and most cars that go to dealer auction are there because the seller was having trouble moving the car through traditional means. Also, at these auctions you are competing against other people who make a living selling used cars, so when a good deal pops up you can expect your fellow bidders to notice it too... you arent going to be getting 2014 Kias for 1800 unless they have serious problems.

Running a used car lot takes a pretty significant initial investment, and it has a lot of overhead and a lot of risk. Most used car lots make the lions share of their money offering super high interest loans to people with awful credit, but if you are running the business out of your shed you probably arent going to have the ability to do this.


I think you are full of shit with just about all of your claimed business accomplishments. I am officially calling you a liar, and I dare you to prove me wrong.

Also since you didnt touch the second half of my post I am going to just repeat myself - amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable

[Kblaze8855]

You see articles like:

"Why Is McDonald's Moving Toward Kiosks?"

And you have to shake your head.

Why? Really?

Because tablets dont ask for a raise.

Mcdonalds is sending the kiosks to 1,000 stores a quarter this year. By the time fast food workers get a major pay raise only 8 of the 40 of them who started asking for it will still have a job.


Been to panera lately? You order from an app on your phone...even from the table. You dont even go to a cashier anymore most of the time. You sit down....a little sign tells you to just order on the app and tell it youre at table ___. The app tells you its ready and you can go get it or they bring it out.

And know what studies show?

People dont WANT to deal with humans. There wont be anything but self checkout in 20 years and you wont be asked if you want fries past like....2025 or 30.

The only places with real all human staff will be mom and pop places that would go under instantly if they had to pay a high minimum wage....so they would no doubt be exempt from it.

Longterm result of higher wages for shit work is just less shitty workers having jobs. And its the stupid, unmotivated, very young, and very old who have shit jobs to begin with. Thats who gets hurt.

A billionaire CEO isnt taking a loss for Ms.Gladys the greeter. Ms.gladys about to lose her job. They can put that ad paper on a stand next to the door.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Kblaze isn’t a liar... stubborn as me, probably worse... insanely prideful, beyond egotistical? Yes. Liar? Don’t think so, chief.

Nanners... you’re just another of several supremely confident morons on this board. It is what it is.

[Ben Simmons 25]

You see articles like:

"Why Is McDonald's Moving Toward Kiosks?"

And you have to shake your head.

Why? Really?

Because tablets dont ask for a raise.

Mcdonalds is sending the kiosks to 1,000 stores a quarter this year. By the time fast food workers get a major pay raise only 8 of the 40 of them who started asking for it will still have a job.


Been to panera lately? You order from an app on your phone...even from the table. You dont even go to a cashier anymore most of the time. You sit down....a little sign tells you to just order on the app and tell it youre at table ___. The app tells you its ready and you can go get it or they bring it out.

And know what studies show?

People dont WANT to deal with humans. There wont be anything but self checkout in 20 years and you wont be asked if you want fries past like....2025 or 30.

The only places with real all human staff will be mom and pop places that would go under instantly if they had to pay a high minimum wage....so they would no doubt be exempt from it.

Longterm result of higher wages for shit work is just less shitty workers having jobs. And its the stupid, unmotivated, very young, and very old who have shit jobs to begin with. Thats who gets hurt.

A billionaire CEO isnt taking a loss for Ms.Gladys the greeter. Ms.gladys about to lose her job. They can put that ad paper on a stand next to the door.

This is all correct.

And instead of finding a job, they won

[Nanners]

Kblaze isn’t a liar... stubborn as me, probably worse... insanely prideful, beyond egotistical? Yes. Liar? Don’t think so, chief.

Nanners... you’re just another of several supremely confident morons on this board. It is what it is.

Yeah I am confident, the guys claimed beliefs/actions are blatantly contradictory and he is spouting bullshit so laughable that an idiot like me can pick it apart with ease.

Like I said, I dare him to prove me wrong... I have been proven wrong on this website before, and if Kblaze manages to do it I will gladly apologize for calling him a liar and henceforth I will refer to him as something more fitting like "hood Oprah" or whatever.

[Kblaze8855]

:oldlol:

Actually when you think it through you come off like a lying idiot.



Heres just one out of several of the laughable claims you have made in this thread.



lol... this used tire shop example absolutely reeks of bullshit.

No company in the business of recycling tires is going to be selling their "gently used" tires for 3-5 bucks each, if anybody knows about tire value its going to be the people who work around them every goddamn day, and tire shops like firestone tend to keep a significant inventory of used tires on hand.

Clearly you didnt bother to actually read the craigslist links you posted, because if you had you would have seen that the second one says

"Sorry, no oil changing, auto mechanics, Or tire shops,"

Neither of the shops you linked appear to have enough space to service more than one car at a time, and with the razor thin profit margins in the used tire flipping game its going to be very hard to pay your rent and employees when your facility limits you to a small volume of customers, and theres no guarantee that you are going to be attracting enough customers anyway... its not like there is a lack of used tire shops in this country.

Now if you were someone who had actually been involved with starting as many businesses as you claim, I doubt you would have made this post... I dont have much experience with small businesses and yet I can still see several obvious flaws with what you are saying.



Another great example of how you have no ****ing clue what you are talking about. You cant just build a shed in your yard or whatever and start selling cars out of it... I would think that a supposed business genius like you would be aware of this little thing called "zoning".

Theres a reason used car salesmen are notorious for being shady, its quite difficult to make decent money as an honest used car salesman. Buying cars at dealer auctions is fairly risky, as you wont have a chance to give the vehicle a thorough inspection prior to bidding, and most cars that go to dealer auction are there because the seller was having trouble moving the car through traditional means. Also, at these auctions you are competing against other people who make a living selling used cars, so when a good deal pops up you can expect your fellow bidders to notice it too... you arent going to be getting 2014 Kias for 1800 unless they have serious problems.

Running a used car lot takes a pretty significant initial investment, and it has a lot of overhead and a lot of risk. Most used car lots make the lions share of their money offering super high interest loans to people with awful credit, but if you are running the business out of your shed you probably arent going to have the ability to do this.


I think you are full of shit with just about all of your claimed business accomplishments. I am officially calling you a liar, and I dare you to prove me wrong.

Also since you didnt touch the second half of my post I am going to just repeat myself - amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable



I didnt say you put an entire lot in your yard. I said you get a dealers license to get access to dealer auctions and other things you cant do without it.

The reason the guy let my friend drive the cars...was NOT HAVING THEM ON A LOT.

My cousin who did have a lot but doesnt now....simply puts one or two at a time on the edge of his mothers yard with a "For sale'' sign.

You are talking shit you clearly dont know anything about. Half the people on craigslist and facebook ads sell 1-2 cars at a time out of their yards and other small spots.

They dont get a lot.

And when they do the situation I mentioned is common. I mentioned a guy named Nidal. Know what his "lot" now is?

https://www.trainautosales.com/


https://www.bbb.org/us/sc/mauldin/profile/used-car-dealers/the-train-auto-sales-leasing-0673-11005198

Nidal Abunijem.

Know why the place is called the train?

The "office" is literally a ****ing train car.

You dont need an "office". You need a space.

Dont let me tell you. Google it for South carolina. Im not gonna tell you what it is wherever you live....look up what my state requires.

People get dealer certified out of literal storage sheds and sell 1-2 cars at a time out of their yards and by driving them around or parking them in the corner of a business with the owners permission.

Dont talk to me about what you think. Go look into it then talk about what you know.

The tires....you are even more off. You have no idea how shady these people are. Like I said you cant go to a real business and get used tires. Walmart has EPA rules to follow. Small shops? Shit. Thats a good part of their business. Ones they cant see they might flat out dump in the woods even after taking your recycling fee.


And I see you really arent even reading what I said. You tell me:



Clearly you didnt bother to actually read the craigslist links you posted, because if you had you would have seen that the second one says

"Sorry, no oil changing, auto mechanics, Or tire shops,"


Which is amazing. because I said in the post youre talking about:



And you know where you find shop space?

https://greenville.craigslist.org/of...869237586.html


Go through a few ads you realize the used tire game is spreading. You see ads saying:

https://greenville.craigslist.org/of...855170580.html

Quote:
Sorry, no oil changing, auto mechanics, Or tire shops


But you can find places cool with it.



I posted the very words in my post....you tell me I didnt see.

Why are we even speaking right now when youre just making up points clearly unrelated to what im saying?

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Kblaze isn

[Ben Simmons 25]

Everyone is a liar... that's true, technically speaking... thanks Dr. House. But in my world, you have to reach a certain level of lying to be labeled a liar... which I've never seen out of you, personally.

[Kblaze8855]

From here no. But I spun and web of lies in my 20s with this girl I loved but in retrospect didn

[Ben Simmons 25]

It was me, but the story I specifically remember was you cheating on a girl who figured out that you were cheating on her, she confronted you, and then you spun that web of lies around her to the point that she was actually crying and apologizing to YOU.

That's beyond ****ed up.

[Nanners]

I didnt say you put an entire lot in your yard. I said you get a dealers license to get access to dealer auctions and other things you cant do without it.

The reason the guy let my friend drive the cars...was NOT HAVING THEM ON A LOT.

My cousin who did have a lot but doesnt now....simply puts one or two at a time on the edge of his mothers yard with a "For sale'' sign.

You are talking shit you clearly dont know anything about. Half the people on craigslist and facebook ads sell 1-2 cars at a time out of their yards and other small spots.

The lying clown who thinks that selling 1-2 used cars at a time will be a viable source of income says that I dont know what I am talking about :roll:


https://www.trainautosales.com/


https://www.bbb.org/us/sc/mauldin/profile/used-car-dealers/the-train-auto-sales-leasing-0673-11005198

Nidal Abunijem.

Know why the place is called the train?

The "office" is literally a ****ing train car.

You dont need an "office". You need a space.

Dont let me tell you. Google it for South carolina. Im not gonna tell you what it is wherever you live....look up what my state requires.

I just googled it - https://i.imgur.com/M6yKDfB.jpg ... does that look like a train car to you? :oldlol:

Anyway, even if the business was headquartered in a train car, thats beside the point in a discussion about ZONING. The question isnt what type of building the dealership is headquartered in, its about the land the dealership occupies. This train car dealership is in an obvious commercial zone on the side of a state highway. Again, if you actually knew a single ****ing thing about business you would already know this...


The tires....you are even more off. You have no idea how shady these people are. Like I said you cant go to a real business and get used tires. Walmart has EPA rules to follow. Small shops? Shit. Thats a good part of their business. Ones they cant see they might flat out dump in the woods even after taking your recycling fee.

Exactly which EPA rule says that walmart cant install used tires but small shops can? Also, cite the EPA rule that says large tire shops and small tire shops are regulated differently. If you are saying that small tire shops dont have to follow the rules because they slip under the radar, doesnt that mean your genius business idea is illegal?

I recently bought a used tire from a Toyota dealership, why dont they have to follow these supposed EPA rules you speak of?

You are just blatantly talking out of your ass now, its obvious that you have absolutely no ****ing clue what you are talking about... you liar.




And I see you really arent even reading what I said. You tell me:

I posted the very words in my post....you tell me I didnt see.

Why are we even speaking right now when youre just making up points clearly unrelated to what im saying?

So you linked a shop on craigslist as an example of what could be used as a tire shop, knowing full well that it couldnt be used as a tire shop?

You are right, I am trying to read as little of what you are saying as possible. I am not going to waste my time reading through giant walls of obvious nonsense and lies.

[Kblaze8855]

I think the last line of your post explains your other misunderstandings. You clearly aren

[Nanners]

Even though I have directly refuted several of your laughable claims, lets pretend I havent read a single word of your posts... I still accuse you of being a clueless liar, prove me wrong and I will apologize and never talk shit to you again.

edit: also I still think its amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable

[NumberSix]

Theres a reason used car salesmen are notorious for being shady, its quite difficult to make decent money as an honest used car salesman.

Or maybe it’s because people for some unknown reason are unaware of the obvious. Used cars are cars that somebody doesn’t want anymore. They are by definition, cars that have something wrong with them to the point that the owner would rather just get rid of it.

There a few exceptions to this, of course. If you see a used 2016 S-Class for sale, it’s not because it’s a POS. It was probably owned by a rich guy who can afford to buy a brand new $150k car every 3 years. Either that or it was a lease car.

Anyway, you get what you pay for. If you’re paying like $1500 for a car, it’s because that car is a POS. If it wasn’t a POS, it would cost more. If you’re paying POS money, you’re getting POS product. Nobody is in the business of trying to hook you up with something for much less than it’s worth.

[Kblaze8855]

Go on Google and check the street view of 673 White Horse Rd., Greenville, SC 29605.

The yellow house on the left belongs to the mother of my cousin Keith who is the car dealer I mentioned. They didn’t catch a picture of one in his yard but I suspect there will be when I drive-by on my way home. I’ll be happy to post it.

To the right of it happens to be a tire shop of exactly the kind I’ve been telling you. And to the left where all those cars are?

Like....dozens of cars?

Other cousin who is a mechanic and has a dealer license the business address of is the shed to the left of his house.

He’s who I got the truck from for my neighbor to use landscaping.

I’ll ride by on my way home and get pictures of all these cars both of them have out there.

I hope Keith has the 55 Bentley in the yard. I’m pretty sure I mentioned him trying to sell it to me once.

I learned from the people ahead of me and try to teach the people coming up behind me. That’s how you fight poverty on the ground level.

[Nanners]

Go on Google and check the street view of 673 White Horse Rd., Greenville, SC 29605.

The yellow house on the left belongs to the mother of my cousin Keith who is the car dealer I mentioned. They didn’t catch a picture of one in his yard but I suspect there will be when I drive-by on my way home. I’ll be happy to post it.

To the right of it is a tire shop of exactly the kind I’ve been telling you. And to the left where all those cars are?

Like....dozens of cars?

Other cousin who is a mechanic and has a dealer license the business address of is the shed to the left of his house.

:oldlol:

Thats supposed to be a car dealership? their lot has maybe 3 or 4 cars worth more than $1k, and judging by the debris visible on many of the cars on the garbage google street view camera, it would seem that a lot of these cars have been sitting there for some time... they are obviously making a great living with that business.

If this "dealership" was on a residential street it would not be legal, but since the property is located directly on the state highway with commercial zones nearby on either sides, theres a good chance that the property is mixed commercial/residential.


Anyway, like I said earlier, I am formally accusing you of being a liar, and I dare you to prove me wrong.

[Ben Simmons 25]

For what it

[Kblaze8855]

No it’s not a car dealership. I said he’s a mechanic. He is a mechanic who has a dealers license based out of his garage to the left. He...know what? I’m pretty down to have a go nowhere argument but when someone is literally making up the points they argue against I hit a limit.


Far as your continued re-post? I don’t have to be OK with inequality. Poverty is like the sunrise. It doesn’t matter what you think of it. It’s happening.



It was me, but the story I specifically remember was you cheating on a girl who figured out that you were cheating on her, she confronted you, and then you spun that web of lies around her to the point that she was actually crying and apologizing to YOU.

That's beyond ****ed up.



Indeed. And that’s not even the only time that happened. It’s ****ed up But I don’t feel the need to duck away from it. I’ve told other women the whole story.

At this point in my life? **** it.Not like I was a rapist. And if everyone tells their stories that make them look bad I don’t think I’d look the worst.

I’ll tell anyone about the mistakes I’ve made. People who feel like you are real with them Probably gain more respect for you than they lose by hearing the stories. Most wont tell you theirs.

[Nanners]

For what it’s worth I do factually happen to know that, locally speaking and obviously it will vary locally, that you can be classified as a dealership if you can prove to the city that you have two parking spots along with a certain amount of square footage of space at a business address.

Point being that you certainly don’t need to actually open a dealership to be classified as one or even be physically present. You don’t even need your own unshared space.

Its definitely possible to get a dealers license while working out of your home garage and just sell 1 or 2 cars at a time... but you will never be able to make a legitimate living or support a family doing this... its hobby income at best.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Its definitely possible to get a dealers license while working out of your home garage and just sell 1 or 2 cars at a time... but you will never be able to make a legitimate living or support a family doing this... its hobby income at best.

That

[Nanners]

That’s not true. All it takes is knowing someone somewhere that can turn you on to deals.

Its absolutely true, its not like great deals on used cars magically grow on trees.

Then there is the up-front investment required to buy the cars you are going to be selling, and additional money required to repair any problems (and there will almost always be significant repairs if you are buying cars at dealer auctions)

Also car flipping income is an inherently volatile source of income. There is no reliable paycheck when you are selling cars, you will have good days and bad days, good months and bad months. If you only have enough space for 1 or 2 cars, the likelyhood that you go long periods of time without anybody interested in your inventory increases dramatically.

[TheMan]

Get back to me when your words help people in the real world.

I got a guy started who makes 300K a year now at age 28. When I met him he made 9 dollar an hour in a lumber yard at 22.

The people who listen to me....have a zero percent failure rate.

Go talk that "Its not faaaaaair" shit to some people. Let me know how your proteges do.

When Rob finishes his deck and makes this 12K to finance the rest of what I told him to do ill post a pic of it. And the yard signs I got him to buy to advertise that he built it.

Keep talking. I'll keep doing. See who actually helps the poor the most. :applause:
Cotdamn, even if half what you're saying that you've done to help the poor is BS, you're easily the GOAT dude here IRL. I applaud you :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

Really thinking about it I

[TheMan]

My words helping people in the real world have nothing to do with this discussion.

Were talking world wide economics and business practices here.

Youre talking blue collar ancedotal startups like everyone can be a CEO... hundreds of millions of people... billions of people.

youre delusional.
Thats not what he's saying :facepalm

All he's saying is that being a hard worker AND being smart enough to look for/make your own opportunities will pay off in making a pretty good living. He's not saying EVERYONE can become a multi millionaire CEO, thats simply impossible.

Life isn't fair and yes, income inequality is an issue BUT if you don't like the pay you're getting for the job you're doing, then do something about it instead of whining online, acquire the skills that will get you a better paying job...it takes hard work and sacrifice BUT it can be done.

[Kblaze8855]

Oh and he

[Nanners]

Like I said earlier, I am formally calling Kblaze a ****ing liar, and I dare him to prove otherwise. If he is able to prove that his laughably idiotic claims are true, I will publicly apologize and never talk shit to his lying ass again.

So please, go ahead and prove me wrong... you jabroni ass liar

edit: Also I still think its amazing that someone who is supposedly so charitable and altruistic would think that the grotesque level of income inequality in america is remotely acceptable

[TheMan]

How many of those counties maintain military readiness to take action at a moments notice anywhere on the planet?

That’s where the money is. That and social security.

And half the government will always be against reducing either one and you need about 60% plus the president so you just work inside the confines of what’s realistic .
So far I agree with everything you say but I don't agree with the bolded...our military is waaay the fukk overbloated. We are unnecessarily pouring billions into the military industrial complex so we can have weapons making corporations line their pockets with our tax dollars and in turn, corrupt politicians get campaign funding from these corporations. We have thousands of nukes and the most technologically advance military, no nation is crazy enough to start a direct confrontation with us. The military we have is not really for defensive purposes (as militaries should be), its so we can start wars around the globe so we can spend even more on making weapons...

Our tax dollars should be spent more wisely, we can make drastic military cuts and the US military can still be by far the world's most powerful.

[Kblaze8855]

If you

[Kblaze8855]

So far I agree with everything you say but I don't agree with the bolded...our military is waaay the fukk overbloated. We are unnecessarily pouring billions into the military industrial complex so we can have weapons making corporations line their pockets with our tax dollars and in turn, corrupt politicians get campaign funding from these corporations. We have thousands of nukes and the most technologically advance military, no nation is crazy enough to start a direct confrontation with us. The military we have is not really for defensive purposes (as militaries should be), its so we can start wars around the globe so we can spend even more on making weapons...

Our tax dollars should be spent more wisely, we can make drastic military cuts and the US military can still be by far the world's most powerful.



Well yes you could argue we spend too much on it but the fact remains that is where the money is going. Tanks nobody needs and social security.

A 50 percent rollback on military spending would let you get almost all the pie in the sky programs off the ground but it would play like you being against the troops.

[Nanners]

The fact that the unashamed liar known as Kblaze refuses to even attempt to disprove or respond to my accusations basically tells you all you need to know about everything his lying ass has claimed in this thread.


You have way too many posts for me to remember nothing you have ever said other than you occasionally popping into topics about the economy and seeming incredibly upset about something each time.

Given the fact that you have 20k posts, I too find it rather surprising that I barely remember anything you have ever said on this site. Aside from copy/pasting generic CNN/MSNBC opinions in political threads and posting blatant lies in this thread, I am struggling to remember anything notable you have ever said on this forum.


If you’ve gone completely into just copy and pasting I’ll just say this and leave you to it.

I am going to keep copy and pasting until you make an attempt to prove that any of the laughably fake shit you have claimed in this thread is actually true.

Like I said before, prove me wrong and I will apologize and never bother you again...

[Ben Simmons 25]

Anyways back to the topic at hand...

Here’s Bernie losing his shit over being asked about his taxes and income...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XRNLThWy6c

Anyone else notice how he doesn’t actually answer any questions, gets super defensive and evasive?

“NYAH! DOLAND TRUMP!!! NYAH!!”

This guy isn’t presidential material in the slightest and has proven he’s a hypocrite regarding his entire life’s work...

Lol... socialist in the streets and a capitalist in the sheets... what a piece of absolute dogshit of a human being.

[qrich]

Its definitely possible to get a dealers license while working out of your home garage and just sell 1 or 2 cars at a time... but you will never be able to make a legitimate living or support a family doing this... its hobby income at best.

Tell that to my cousin, who has about 3-4 cars at any given point and his "hobby" covers his mortgage, utilities, health insurance, home insurance, etc.

A year or so ago, he bought a car at an abandoned title auction for about $3k, sold it for $12k the next week. While that may not be the typical profit at an abandoned auction, it can happen. I've seen dudes buy 4 cars at those for a combined grand.....I myself bought a 03 S430 about 6 years ago at one of those for $1,800. Drove it for three years, sold it for $3k.

Having a dealer license and flipping is a great way to have income and can also help you save money as you can drive the cars til you flip them.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Anyways back to the topic at hand...

Here

[Ben Simmons 25]

What did he say that you have a problem with?

I mean, did you watch the video? Did I not explain it in the post? LOL.

Holy hell Bernie supporters are more brain dead than probably any other candidate's supporters in recent memory. Holy shit. Where's the Tylenol?

[BigKobeFan]

I mean, did you watch the video? Did I not explain it in the post? LOL.

Holy hell Bernie supporters are more brain dead than probably any other candidate's supporters in recent memory. Holy shit. Where's the Tylenol?

That dumbass bernie is the biggest hypocrite in the world

[TheMan]

Anyways back to the topic at hand...

Here’s Bernie losing his shit over being asked about his taxes and income...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XRNLThWy6c

Anyone else notice how he doesn’t actually answer any questions, gets super defensive and evasive?

“NYAH! DOLAND TRUMP!!! NYAH!!”

This guy isn’t presidential material in the slightest and has proven he’s a hypocrite regarding his entire life’s work...

Lol... socialist in the streets and a capitalist in the sheets... what a piece of absolute dogshit of a human being.If you're being completely honest with yourself, neither is Trump but you get all Tammy Wynette and lose your shit if someone dares to talk shit about that fatass :confusedshrug:

[Ben Simmons 25]

If you're being completely honest with yourself, neither is Trump but you get all Tammy Wynette and lose your shit if someone dares to talk shit about that fatass :confusedshrug:

Yeah I'm a SUPER Trump supporter.

It's like you just enjoy making shit up. Fat ugly ******. LOL.

[TheMan]

7
Tell that to my cousin, who has about 3-4 cars at any given point and his "hobby" covers his mortgage, utilities, health insurance, home insurance, etc.

A year or so ago, he bought a car at an abandoned title auction for about $3k, sold it for $12k the next week. While that may not be the typical profit at an abandoned auction, it can happen. I've seen dudes buy 4 cars at those for a combined grand.....I myself bought a 03 S430 about 6 years ago at one of those for $1,800. Drove it for three years, sold it for $3k.

Having a dealer license and flipping is a great way to have income and can also help you save money as you can drive the cars til you flip them.
Dude I was renting from did the same thing...

Buy 3 or 4 cars a week, fix em up and flip em, averaged about 500 to 700 bucks of profit per car. Sold them pretty quick too...now these cars were strictly point A to point B cars but apparently there's a huge market for that in San Antonio seeing in how fast he would sell his cars...he would specifically target older cars that had some cosmetic wear and tear/damage but the motor/transmission sounded good.

He would maybe spend 20 to 30 hrs per week on working on all his cars, the rest of the time he would get high and play video games or bang the numerous amount of hos he hung out with. 2 to almost 3 grand profit a week is pretty damn nice considering he would work.from home meanwhile I was making 1,600 per week but having to put OT in :facepalm

Only reason I never did what he did is that I'm not a guy who likes working on cars, he enjoyed doing that so thats like the perfect gig for him...

[TheMan]

Yeah I'm a SUPER Trump supporter.

It's like you just enjoy making shit up. Fat ugly ******. LOL.
Lol, I can post shit were you go off on posters for talking shit about Trump but whatever...and I ain't fat, homely nor a homosexual :no:

[Ben Simmons 25]

Lol, I can post shit were you go off on posters for talking shit about Trump but whatever...and I ain't fat, homely nor a homosexual :no:

I do shit talk posters who mindlessly bash Trump without any objective reasoning, yeah, that's absolutely true.

My critique of Bernie is hardly mindless or baseless. It's right there in the video.

He stutters like a prick because he knows they're right.

Socialist in the streets, capitalist in the sheets. That's literally been his whole ****ing life's work. Absolutely pathetic.

[Cleverness]

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Kblaze isn

[Cleverness]

I do shit talk posters who mindlessly bash Trump without any objective reasoning, yeah, that's absolutely true.

My critique of Bernie is hardly mindless or baseless. It's right there in the video.

He stutters like a prick because he knows they're right.

Socialist in the streets, capitalist in the sheets. That's literally been his whole ****ing life's work. Absolutely pathetic.

yup. he pays as little taxes as possible, just like anyone else. and about his best selling book, why not share the book as a pdf for the entire world to read? :hammerhead:

all this being said, hypocrisy shouldn't be the issue. it should be his incredibly misguided policies

[Ben Simmons 25]

He called me a liar too. When I wagered a bet with him that I was telling the truth, he ducked out. He also didn't answer a couple of basic follow-up questions to his strong opinions he expressed earlier ITT



Now that everyone knows he's a millionaire, I think he'll stop saying "millionaires and billionaires" and just demonize the "billionaires." Always gotta go with the us vs them mentality

Funny he was REAL QUICK to turn the question about Donald Trump and his taxes, asking "how much does he [Trump] pay in taxes?"

Someone from the audience should have said "more than you." would have been epic

:applause: :applause:

"Bernie, you're a milliona..."

"ORANGE MAN BAD!"


yup. he pays as little taxes as possible, just like anyone else. and about his best selling book, why not share the book as a pdf for the entire world to read? :hammerhead:

all this being said, hypocrisy shouldn't be the issue. it should be his incredibly misguided policies

Yeah, actually... you're right.

[diamenz]

would u guys (conservatives) rather see a biden or harris in the white house than a sanders, yang, warren or gabbard if trump ended up losing? i'm honestly interested in knowing. because i mean shit, i don't think anyone here is a fan of the establishment on either side from what i gather.

[Ben Simmons 25]

would u guys (conservatives) rather see a biden or harris in the white house than a sanders, yang, warren or gabbard if trump ended up losing? i'm honestly interested in knowing. because i mean shit, i don't think anyone here is a fan of the establishment on either side from what i gather.

Yeah all of the candidates have major flaws and they suck ass, as does Trump.

I don't like Yang but I hope that guy goes as far as he can in the primaries because his central campaign topic is something that unquestionably needs to be addressed ahead of time rather than after the fact.

I like one thing about Trump VERY very much... he has not taken us into a new war.

[qrich]

7
Dude I was renting from did the same thing...

Buy 3 or 4 cars a week, fix em up and flip em, averaged about 500 to 700 bucks of profit per car. Sold them pretty quick too...now these cars were strictly point A to point B cars but apparently there's a huge market for that in San Antonio seeing in how fast he would sell his cars...he would specifically target older cars that had some cosmetic wear and tear/damage but the motor/transmission sounded good.

He would maybe spend 20 to 30 hrs per week on working on all his cars, the rest of the time he would get high and play video games or bang the numerous amount of hos he hung out with. 2 to almost 3 grand profit a week is pretty damn nice considering he would work.from home meanwhile I was making 1,600 per week but having to put OT in :facepalm

Only reason I never did what he did is that I'm not a guy who likes working on cars, he enjoyed doing that so thats like the perfect gig for him...


I'm not very car smart, but I gave it a shot with a car at a time or so. Would buy them from abandoned title auctions from a police tow yard, keep the car for a bit, use them to learn about cars and sell them a few months later for a little more than everything I put into it (including insurance/gas/maintenance).

Makes me wish I was more car-smart :oldlol:

My second car right now, I got from these auctions. It's an 05 Civic, got it for $500. Nothing wrong with it mechanically, just did a radiator flush, tranny flush, power steering flush and refilled the freon, it runs perfect.

No cosmetic damage on the outside, a seats are a little worn but nothing a seat cover wouldn't cover and the glove box is missing :oldlol:

Only has 94k miles on it...is a salvage title due to the fact that it was abandoned, but has a clean CarFax otherwise :oldlol:

Was going to list it for $5k when taxes came in, but forgot. Going to use it for the rest of the year and sell it around the holidays, probably around $4k :confusedshrug:

[Ben Simmons 25]

Bump for Bernie 'socialist in the streets, capitalist in the sheets' Sanders! WOO!!

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/530becede4b093256168fba5/53121debe4b0a29654e5d1fc/5c6e1a58eb39315d8de0b940/1550763565489/Bernie+Money.jpg

Just remember...

YOU... YOU PERSONALLY... are a completely naive sheep if you believe this guy has your best interest in mind. lol.

[Nanners]

Just remember...

YOU... YOU PERSONALLY... are a completely naive sheep if you believe this guy has your best interest in mind. lol.


lol... and what are you if you are dumb enough to think that Trump has your best interest in mind?

[Ben Simmons 25]

lol... and what are you if you are dumb enough to think that Trump has your best interest in mind?

Pretty ****ing dumb! What's your point?

Look... blind Bernie supporter has his panties in a bunch and is grasping at straws trying to insult me. Oh no! Whatever shall I do!

[Nanners]

Pretty ****ing dumb! What's your point?

Look... blind Bernie supporter has his panties in a bunch and is grasping at straws trying to insult me. Oh no! Whatever shall I do!

My point is pretty goddamn obvious to anybody who has semi functional brain

Do you honestly think that Trump cares about the wellbeing of obedient retarded/autistic basement dwelling jabronies like you?

[Ben Simmons 25]

My point is pretty goddamn obvious to anybody who has semi functional brain

Do you honestly think that Trump cares about the wellbeing of obedient retarded/autistic basement dwelling jabronies like you?

No, I don't. Hence the "pretty ****ing dumb" comment, you autistic swine. What part of "pretty ****ing dumb" didn't you get?

****ing idiot.

https://media.giphy.com/media/JTtURBmz6TZ0SFsp4I/giphy.gif

[Nanners]

No, I don't.

Ah, so you are aware of the fact that Trump gives zero shits about the wellbeing of obedient retarded/autistic basement dwelling jabronies like you... yet your stupid obedient retarded/autistic jabroni ass wants to slurp on his needle-dick anyway...:oldlol:

[Ben Simmons 25]

Ah, so you are aware of the fact that Trump gives zero ****s about obedient retarded/autistic basement dwelling jabronies like you... yet youre stupid obedient retarded/autistic jabroni ass wants to slurp on his needle-dick anyway...:oldlol:

Well, this is going no where fast...

You really are dumber than I ever possibly could have imagined.

https://media.giphy.com/media/h8aNxFdj1ST22a2rZW/giphy.gif

[Nanners]

Well, this is going no where fast...



yeah no shit, the only time you ever do anything fast is when you are giving one of your boyfriends a handjob...you useless dumbshit simpleton

http://i.imgur.com/IPNswYn.gif

[qrich]

Poor Nanners, he thinks Beta Bernie is a decent human being

[Nanners]

poor qrich, he thinks that a predatory economic system optimized to pump up the wealth of a handful of billionaires at the expense of the middle class actually benefits his minimum wage earning ass

[Nanners]

btw, were all still waiting for Kblaze the liar to prove a single one of the laughably idiotic claims he made earlier in this thread

[NumberSix]

poor qrich, he thinks that a predatory economic system optimized to pump up the wealth of a handful of billionaires at the expense of the middle class actually benefits his minimum wage earning ass
That

[ItsMillerTime]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]That

[Patrick Chewing]

Ah, so you are aware of the fact that Trump gives zero shits about the wellbeing of obedient retarded/autistic basement dwelling jabronies like you... yet your stupid obedient retarded/autistic jabroni ass wants to slurp on his needle-dick anyway...:oldlol:


What

[Nanners]

What’s your point? You seem angry. Do you care about all 350 million of us? Ha, rhetorical question. You’re one of the most miserable people alive right now reaping the benefits of a competent presidency.

My point is that you are a useless dumbshit ******.

I suppose you're right, I dont care about all 350 million of us... I only care about 349.99, because I def dont care about your stupid disney working ass

[qrich]

So the system isn't rigged, then? The recent college admissions scandal proves that poor people and minorities have the same opportunity as everyone else, right?

Did you have the same outrage towards this scandal as when Obama passed a law pushing discrimination in favor of minorities?

[qrich]

poor qrich, he thinks that a predatory economic system optimized to pump up the wealth of a handful of billionaires at the expense of the middle class actually benefits his minimum wage earning ass

Cry more sis.

[Smoke117]

Ah, so you are aware of the fact that Trump gives zero shits about the wellbeing of obedient retarded/autistic basement dwelling jabronies like you... yet your stupid obedient retarded/autistic jabroni ass wants to slurp on his needle-dick anyway...:oldlol:

Orange man BAD!

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]That

[qrich]

How is that a fair system?

It may not be.

But how is it a fair system to take more of what someone is earning?

[Cleverness]

^ It doesn't have to be a fair system. It only needs to be the best system out there. Free market capitalism is the fairest system that produces the greatest wealth to the most people and it is much better than socialism.

Bernie supporters always seem more concerned with how much other people make than their own success. Focus on yourself and you can become successful too. Wealth is not a zero sum game.

For the crowd that whines "but XYZ was born beautiful/athletic/good parents/born in USA/etc, therefore XYZ has advantages" ...focus on yourself and what you can do. No politician is going to make those things better.


I think the original topic was about the Disney workers who are making less than the Avenger's producers. Did anyone watch the video of the Disney employee that sat down with Bernie? The employee only makes $15.70/hr.


Here is a video about the Disney employee only making $15.70/hr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLBXXkkQMU

"its also completely baffling that patty is regularly unable to feel a single iota of empathy for the enormous percentage of americans who are stuck in shit jobs with shit wages like his cruise line job..."

How are they stuck?

What is the "enormous percentage" of Americans who are stuck in shit jobs through no fault of their own?

[Patrick Chewing]

My point is that you are a useless dumbshit ******.

I suppose you're right, I dont care about all 350 million of us... I only care about 349.99, because I def dont care about your stupid disney working ass



You right now = https://media1.tenor.com/images/51dabd272c176d5bf7e0cc2d6e8a76aa/tenor.gif

[diamenz]

Bump for Bernie 'socialist in the streets, capitalist in the sheets' Sanders! WOO!!

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/530becede4b093256168fba5/53121debe4b0a29654e5d1fc/5c6e1a58eb39315d8de0b940/1550763565489/Bernie+Money.jpg

Just remember...

YOU... YOU PERSONALLY... are a completely naive sheep if you believe this guy has your best interest in mind. lol.

name someone in washington that does.

[bladefd]

^ It doesn't have to be a fair system. It only needs to be the best system out there. Free market capitalism is the fairest system that produces the greatest wealth to the most people and it is much better than socialism.

Bernie supporters always seem more concerned with how much other people make than their own success. Focus on yourself and you can become successful too. Wealth is not a zero sum game.

For the crowd that whines "but XYZ was born beautiful/athletic/good parents/born in USA/etc, therefore XYZ has advantages" ...focus on yourself and what you can do. No politician is going to make those things better.

There is such a thing as extreme capitalism (runaway capitalism or crony capitalism like I have seen some call it). Think of the extreme end of socialism, which we call communism. There is also such an extreme end of capitalism, which I believe is corporatism.

Capitalism is certainly good and absolutely necessary but so is socialism. You need a hybrid system that has some properties of different systems coming together. That is what we currently have in America and have had since the very beginning (we were probably more libertarian early on in American history but obviously we have changed a bit since the early days of America).

Btw, for those wondering, early America had a little bit of both liberal and conservative in..
Modern liberals - love social freedom but want government involved in economic stuff
Modern conservatives - love economic freedom but want government involved in everyday social stuff (ensuring traditional values are followed, police abortion, not allow gay marriage, consider America a Christian nation, etc)

Libertarians focus on social freedom and economic freedom so you have little of each..

[TheMan]

Did you have the same outrage towards this scandal as when Obama passed a law pushing discrimination in favor of minorities?
What law did Obama pass that discriminated against white people?

[ItsMillerTime]

Did you have the same outrage towards this scandal as when Obama passed a law pushing discrimination in favor of minorities?

Lol why are you deflecting and bringing up an irrelevant question? I'm not outraged, I just know the system is rigged for the wealthy. It's not a hard question to answer.

[NumberSix]

Lol why are you deflecting and bringing up an irrelevant question? I'm not outraged, I just know the system is rigged for the wealthy. It's not a hard question to answer.
The reason why Jeff Bezos is a billionaire and you aren’t isn’t because “the system is rigged” or any other nonsense like that. It’s because he invented Amazon and you didn’t.

It’s not unfair that people who create world changing inventions or business models are richer than people who never invented shit in their lives.

I know it’s hard to accept for some, but some people earn things in life that others don’t. Bezos is the richest man in the world because he earned it. People like you and I didn’t, so we aren’t.

I’ll NEVER be as rich as Bezos and that’s ok. He earned it and I didn’t.

[qrich]

What law did Obama pass that discriminated against white people?

WASHINGTON

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=qrich]WASHINGTON

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=qrich]WASHINGTON

[TheMan]

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration said Tuesday that it was abandoning Obama administration policies that called on universities to consider race as a factor in diversifying their campuses, signaling that the administration will champion race-blind admissions standards.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/us/politics/trump-affirmative-action-race-schools.amp.html
Yeah I'm not down with race being a factor in who gets in, should be totally up to who has the grades to get in regardless of race but that statement you posted is contradicting itself, it says that it wants race to be factored in to diversify campuses but also that it pushes a race blind admissions standards :oldlol:

I also read somewhere that that policy would hurt Asian students the most...and they are a minority.

[qrich]

Yeah I'm not down with race being a factor in who gets in, should be totally up to who has the grades to get in regardless of race but that statement you posted is contradicting itself, it says that it wants race to be factored in to diversify campuses but also that it pushes a race blind admissions standards :oldlol:

I also read somewhere that that policy would hurt Asian students the most...and they are a minority.

Its the NYT man, of course they contradicting themselves in their own lead :oldlol:

But yeah, Asians, namely East Indians, would get most of the flack here. They already have a higher standard, and this, I'm assuming, made it harder.


The LAUSD has also cut funding to schools for being "too white." And by too white, I mean 1/3, while counting Hispanics as white :facepalm

[TheMan]

Its the NYT man, of course they contradicting themselves in their own lead :oldlol:

But yeah, Asians, namely East Indians, would get most of the flack here. They already have a higher standard, and this, I'm assuming, made it harder.


The LAUSD has also cut funding to schools for being "too white." And by too white, I mean 1/3, while counting Hispanics as white :facepalm
Maybe they are counting the Guillermo Del Toro (Mexican), Cameron Diaz (Cuban) and Lionel Messi (Argentine) type of Hispanics as white and not the Micheal Pe

[NumberSix]

Yeah I'm not down with race being a factor in who gets in, should be totally up to who has the grades to get in regardless of race but that statement you posted is contradicting itself, it says that it wants race to be factored in to diversify campuses but also that it pushes a race blind admissions standards :oldlol:

I also read somewhere that that policy would hurt Asian students the most...and they are a minority.
who cares if someone is a minority, majority or whatever? No individual should be racially discriminated against. But consistent with their history, the Dems are leading the charge for racial discrimination.