Socialists alarmed that this MIGHT be it for Venezuela. Possible coup underway

[Long Duck Dong]

https://youtu.be/fQQzg2VfJME

:eek:

https://youtu.be/teh3vZ0bjYY

[Patrick Chewing]

Wait a minute, I thought Socialism was the next big thing??


These people don't know how good they have it. Unappreciative Venezuelans!

[iamgine]

The cycle continues...

Capitalism --> Get rich --> Socialism --> Get poor --> Revolution --> Capitalism --> Etc



In fact Communism seems much more stable. We should all learn from China.

[Hawker]

The cycle continues...

Capitalism --> Get rich --> Socialism --> Get poor --> Revolution --> Capitalism --> Etc



In fact Communism seems much more stable. We should all learn from China.

China was pretty shit before it embraced some capitalism.

[dude77]

the only way there's a coup is if the military turns on maduro .. so did they ? I haven't heard anything

[rufuspaul]

the only way there's a coup is if the military turns on maduro .. so did they ? I haven't heard anything


It seems like some of the rank and file military are turning on Maduro but he seems to be hanging on to the loyalty of his generals.

[iamgine]

China was pretty shit before it embraced some capitalism.
That's the beauty of communism, you can embrace anything you want.

[Long Duck Dong]

the only way there's a coup is if the military turns on maduro .. so did they ? I haven't heard anything

Reportedly, some soldiers have begun freeing opposition leaders. That's a pretty bold move considering they will be facing death or a long prison term if Maduro holds on to power

[Patrick Chewing]

Did I just see Spain elect a Socialist leader as well??


:facepalm

[qrich]

Who doesn't want to eat their own pets?!?!

[Smoke117]

The cycle continues...

Capitalism --> Get rich --> Socialism --> Get poor --> Revolution --> Capitalism --> Etc



In fact Communism seems much more stable. We should all learn from China.

China is hardly a communist country anymore.

[Facepalm]

China was pretty shit before it embraced some capitalism.
This

[bladefd]

The cycle continues...

Capitalism --> Get rich --> Socialism --> Get poor --> Revolution --> Capitalism --> Etc

What is military funding considered? Central banks? Medicare/medicaid? Social security? Public transportation? Police? Fire fighters? Public schools and county colleges? Roads and highways? Public hospitals? Public parking? National parks? I can go on and on, and we had all these socialist programs for decades. Should we get rid of all of them to get rich again? Every country on Earth is somewhat socialist due to having socialist programs.

Lets get rid of all public toilets for being socialist and making us all poor!

:coleman:

[dude77]

It seems like some of the rank and file military are turning on Maduro but he seems to be hanging on to the loyalty of his generals.


Reportedly, some soldiers have begun freeing opposition leaders. That's a pretty bold move considering they will be facing death or a long prison term if Maduro holds on to power



oh I see .. so cracks starting to form .. probabaly just a matter of time

[Long Duck Dong]

US secretary of state saying that Maduro was already planning his escape to Cuba but the Russians convinced him to remain in country for the time being. Shit getting serious...

Bernie's face right now


https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/APP-041619-Bernie-Sanders-.jpg

[iamgine]

What is military funding considered? Central banks? Medicare/medicaid? Social security? Public transportation? Police? Fire fighters? Public schools and county colleges? Roads and highways? Public hospitals? Public parking? National parks? I can go on and on, and we had all these socialist programs for decades. Should we get rid of all of them to get rich again? Every country on Earth is somewhat socialist due to having socialist programs.

Lets get rid of all public toilets for being socialist and making us all poor!

:coleman:
Uh....I'm not sure you understand the idea here.

[Patrick Chewing]

US secretary of state saying that Maduro was already planning his escape to Cuba but the Russians convinced him to remain in country for the time being. Shit getting serious...

Bernie's face right now


https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/APP-041619-Bernie-Sanders-.jpg


Bernie trying to get the hell outta DC right now.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-23-2016/4VviRM.gif

[TheMan]

The problem in Venezuela isn't so much socialism, its that Maduro is a muderous thug dictator. Dictators are just bad no matter the political affiliation, ask Chileans how they liked living under rightwing facist Gen Pinochet or ask Argentinians how they liked living under the rightwing military junta where thousands "disappeared". Those regimes where supported by the US government so its bullshit when the US say they support democracy abroad...

Plenty of socialist parties are elected into power and then voted out of power and voted in again all over the world without bloodshed, Chewing just mentioned Spain for example...

Chavez was pretty popular amongst the poor and middle class and loathed by the rich (and the US). A US backed coup failed in the mid 2000s when the people took to the streets to reinstall Chavez.

Venezuelans are screwed either way, if Maduro hangs on, a despot stays in power and there will be a bloody backlash...if the righwingers topple him, the rich get what they want, ransack the nation's wealth (oil) and the yankee corporations get to go and join in on the feast with of course no benefit to the average Venezuelan.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1653044-3x2-940x627.jpg

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/03/21/ap_504312058477-2799a3776896905aacb78a9a97d95b74137ed0c1-s800-c85.jpg


Donald Trump didn't need to collude with Russia.

[bladefd]

Uh....I'm not sure you understand the idea here.

You said socialism makes people poor. We already are socialistic nation in so many ways from top to bottom and so is most of the world.

Let's not confuse socialism as somehow Ani-Capitalism because socialism can completely co-exist with capitalism. The two are not opposites. Communism is extreme socialism, which nobody in America is calling for. Also, you know what extreme capitalism is?? Corporatism. We are much closer to coporatism than anything but why is your outcry to corporatism?

[ItsMillerTime]

The problem in Venezuela isn't so much socialism, its that Maduro is a muderous thug dictator. Dictators are just bad no matter the political affiliation, ask Chileans how they liked living under rightwing facist Gen Pinochet or ask Argentinians how they liked living under the rightwing military junta where thousands "disappeared". Those regimes where supported by the US government so its bullshit when the US say they support democracy abroad...

Plenty of socialist parties are elected into power and then voted out of power and voted in again all over the world without bloodshed, Chewing just mentioned Spain for example...

Chavez was pretty popular amongst the poor and middle class and loathed by the rich (and the US). A US backed coup failed in the mid 2000s when the people took to the streets to reinstall Chavez.

Venezuelans are screwed either way, if Maduro hangs on, a despot stays in power and there will be a bloody backlash...if the righwingers topple him, the rich get what they want, ransack the nation's wealth (oil) and the yankee corporations get to go and join in on the feast with of course no benefit to the average Venezuelan.

Are you trying to say context matters? I refuse to believe that. Fox News says socialism is bad and Venezuela is bad and that's all there is to it!

[Patrick Chewing]

So apparently it's the US's fault for what's going on in Venezuela. And guess who said it????




https://youtu.be/258-ajBUP5Y



:banana:

[NumberSix]

So, Ilhan Omar said today that the USA shouldn’t have sanctions against Venezuela and that sanctions against Venezuela are “bullying.” She does however support BDS (boycott, divestment and SANCTIONS) against Israel. I wonder what’s different about Israel?

[Patrick Chewing]

Ilhan Omar and her people most likely know right about now that she's untouchable. She is saying just about anything she wants and any blowback on her automatically falls into the Islamophobic, Sexist, or Racist category by the Liberal media which provides a security blanket over her.


She and her political ideology which has its roots in Anti-West, Anti-Semitic rhetoric have successfully infiltrated this government. I thought Obama having the Muslim Brotherhood over at the White House was bad enough. What's happening now with people like Omar and Tlaib is akin to a slow takeover, Europistan style.

[Hawker]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1653044-3x2-940x627.jpg

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/03/21/ap_504312058477-2799a3776896905aacb78a9a97d95b74137ed0c1-s800-c85.jpg


Donald Trump didn't need to collude with Russia.

Dude...we can't give Obama shit for being diplomatic with Venezuela and Cuba. He just doesn't need to support that kind of government and I don't think he ever did. That was the likes of Bernie, Michael Moore etc. We need to be diplomatic with these countries - Obama opening up relations with Cuba was a great thing. We're just punishing the cuban citizens by not doing so.

[Patrick Chewing]

We're just punishing the cuban citizens by not doing so.


Take it from me who's parents and grandparents fled from Cuba. The only people punishing the Cuban people have been the Castros since Day 1.

The United States has been the best friend to the Cuban people by allowing them easy entry into the United States under political asylum. Something Obama put an end to with his removal of the wet foot/dry foot policy just before his term ended. I haven't kept up with that, so I'm not sure if Donald Trump reversed that decision or not.

[Hawker]

The problem in Venezuela isn't so much socialism, its that Maduro is a muderous thug dictator. Dictators are just bad no matter the political affiliation, ask Chileans how they liked living under rightwing facist Gen Pinochet or ask Argentinians how they liked living under the rightwing military junta where thousands "disappeared". Those regimes where supported by the US government so its bullshit when the US say they support democracy abroad...

Plenty of socialist parties are elected into power and then voted out of power and voted in again all over the world without bloodshed, Chewing just mentioned Spain for example...

Chavez was pretty popular amongst the poor and middle class and loathed by the rich (and the US). A US backed coup failed in the mid 2000s when the people took to the streets to reinstall Chavez.

Venezuelans are screwed either way, if Maduro hangs on, a despot stays in power and there will be a bloody backlash...if the righwingers topple him, the rich get what they want, ransack the nation's wealth (oil) and the yankee corporations get to go and join in on the feast with of course no benefit to the average Venezuelan.

They are both rooted in expansive government without giving the individuals rights. The problem with socialism is it gives the government lots of power to be able to become a murderous thug dictator. It's also cultural too which is why we have to be careful about who we let in to the US.

Remember Maduro was elected as well.

[tpols]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1653044-3x2-940x627.jpg
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obama is so ****ing cool... look at that swag bro.

:pimp:

[TheMan]

So apparently it's the US's fault for what's going on in Venezuela. And guess who said it????




https://youtu.be/258-ajBUP5Y



:banana:
Well, you'll be surprised to know that someone from your own team essentially agrees with Omar :lol

https://youtu.be/qrLgOYvR6No

[TheMan]

They are both rooted in expansive government without giving the individuals rights. The problem with socialism is it gives the government lots of power to be able to become a murderous thug dictator. It's also cultural too which is why we have to be careful about who we let in to the US.

Remember Maduro was elected as well.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to walk back a bit of what I had previously posted :lol

I must admit that I went only by what I was hearing here in the Mexican press and also whats on CNN/FOX News and MSNBC so I have to be honest and say that I didn't really take the time to research whats truly going on in Venezuela but after looking at some independant news sources, seems like a lot of whats being reported is "fake news".

According to alternate news sources, and they make a great point, if Maduro was as bad as he's presented in the international press, why is Guaido and Lopez still running around free creating chaos? Wouldn't a tyrant have those guys hanging by a tree by now? At the very least arrested? Seems like I might have been too quick to label Maduro a murderous thug.

This is truly looking like a US manufactured coup attempt (so far failing spectacturly too), these rightwing dudes have very little support, they're US puppets and the US has a large blame for the sanctions they've imposed on them (I didn't even know the US had sanctions on Venezuela :facepalm ). I'm not saying that Maduro is an innocent little dove either but it seems like the majority of Venezuelans support him, thats why this coup attempt isn't yeilding the results that Trump's neocons want.

Guess what the US is after in Venezuela???

I will freely take the big L on this issue. :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

Well, you'll be surprised to know that someone from your own team essentially agrees with Omar :lol

https://youtu.be/qrLgOYvR6No


Never heard of that person before. And everyone that agrees with Omar seems to be under 25 years of age and frankly, young people nowadays don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Also, the Fox News takeover is happening. They are more Left than ever before.

[Long Duck Dong]

Well, you'll be surprised to know that someone from your own team essentially agrees with Omar :lol

https://youtu.be/qrLgOYvR6No

She's not a part of our team but FOX unlike all the other fake news networks welcome journalists with different opinions and let them speak instead of setting them up for an attack.

This journalist worked for years for a Russian state owned news network. Coincidence? :D

There's no major opposition to Maduro? It's all a US news network lie? Venezuelans are ecstatic about eating out of garbage cans and eating their pets? It's a lie nearly 10% of their population has fled to neighboring countries and the UN has set up refugee camps on the border for them? All a lie. Nothing to see here folks. All is well

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a8b775fe81e39fb6cf5cace868929e05/tenor.gif

[NumberSix]

According to alternate news sources, and they make a great point, if Maduro was as bad as he's presented in the international press, why is Guaido and Lopez still running around free creating chaos? Wouldn't a tyrant have those guys hanging by a tree by now? At the very least arrested? Seems like I might have been too quick to label Maduro a murderous thug.
He would do exactly that if he thought there’d be no consequences. The guy is hanging on by a thread as it is. The dude is gonna get Kadafi’d if he does that.

Maduro recently had Guaido BANNED from Venezuela when Guaido was in Colombia. He also banned him from running for office for 15 years. He absolutely would have him killed if he could do it and survive.


This is truly looking like a US manufactured coup attempt (so far failing spectacturly too), these rightwing dudes have very little support
Omg, you’re such a know-nothing. :facepalm

Guaido is not rightwing. He’s a member of Venezuela’s progressive social-democrat party. His party is a member of the international group of socialist parties.


they're US puppets and the US has a large blame for the sanctions they've imposed on them (I didn't even know the US had sanctions on Venezuela :facepalm ). I'm not saying that Maduro is an innocent little dove either but it seems like the majority of Venezuelans support him, thats why this coup attempt isn't yeilding the results that Trump's neocons want.
:facepalm
It’s not a “coup”. According to Venezuela’s own constitution, Guaido is the interim president pending new elections being held.

[TheMan]

You know what fellas? I'm honest enough to admit that I don't know the ins and outs of the Venezuelan crisis, I've read conflicting reports...to be honest, I don't care that much to dig deeper to get to the "truth".

I'll just see myself outta this thread.

Last thing though, if some of y'all think the US isn't somehow involved and they aren't after dat oil, y'all some naive fukks and even more clueless than me on Venezuela :lol

[greymatter]

Yeah, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and Norway are next.

Only mindless jacktards who get their news from Faux and/or Heritage Foundation believe Venezuela's failures are an indictment of socialism. Never occurs to these imbeciles that none of the countries where socialism has worked out happen to NOT be in Latin/South America where the CIA has a long history of fomenting coups against elected leaders who attempt to nationalize their countries' natural resources at the expense of US corporate interests.

The idea that the US likes to promote itself as a "force for good" on the world stage is a ****ing joke. The only difference between the US has from the likes of Russia and China is that the latter two countries don't bother attempting to put lipstick on the pig as they go about looking out for their own interests.

[greymatter]

You know what fellas? I'm honest enough to admit that I don't know the ins and outs of the Venezuelan crisis, I've read conflicting reports...to be honest, I don't care that much to dig deeper to get to the "truth".

I'll just see myself outta this thread.

Last thing though, if some of y'all think the US isn't somehow involved and they aren't after dat oil, y'all some naive fukks and even more clueless than me on Venezuela :lol

Murica doesn't need "dat oil". It is sitting on the world's largest reserves of oil shale. The US also has a long history of trying to manipulate the oil market (which is why it sucks as much Saudi dick as it does).

Mohamar Kaddafi was killed in a successful coup because he tried to get oil traded in gold (instead of US dollars). Some Libyan national who'd been living in a Virginia suburb for 20 odd years somehow found his way back to Libya as the head of the opposition. This didn't get much press back in 2011 though. Apparently Snowden and Wikileaks were off their game.

[falc39]

Pompeo claims Russia stopped Maduro leaving Venezuela for Cuba (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/30/politics/pompeo-maduro-russia/index.html)

:oldlol:

But duh Russians!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NumberSix]

You know what fellas? I'm honest enough to admit that I don't know the ins and outs of the Venezuelan crisis, I've read conflicting reports...to be honest, I don't care that much to dig deeper to get to the "truth".

I'll just see myself outta this thread.

Last thing though, if some of y'all think the US isn't somehow involved and they aren't after dat oil, y'all some naive fukks and even more clueless than me on Venezuela :lol
Nobody thinks that. Of course the United States is involved. The sec. of state is literally on tv discussing how has been behind the scenes talking to the Venezuelan military trying to persuade them to side with Guaido. The VP just yesterday said he has been in contact with Guaido through this whole process. Absolutely nobody is claiming that the United States isn