40 and 5 on 50%

[Rico2016]

Only five players have averaged at least 40 points, 5 assists, on 50% or better shooting over a five game playoffs span = Durant, Michael, and LeBron. Behold, the big three of the playoffs in all their glory:

http://i63.tinypic.com/24q79li.jpg

[dazzer87]

and KD will have the same amount of rings in HALF the finals appearances........ LeGoat.............:(

[Rico2016]

and KD will have the same amount of rings in HALF the finals appearances........ LeGoat.............:(

Durant is a great player and I'm not sure anyone would disagree with you; therefore, I applaud your sharing of ground breaking information and would love to read more of your insightful, high IQ posts. Please continue. Have you pondered writing a book?

[3ball]

Lebron and Durant never averaged 40 for a playoff series

Since 1984, only MJ averaged 40 in a series and he did it 6 times

And he did so against all levels (1st Round, Finals, and against goat teams, #1 defenses and top 3 defenses)

[TheCorporation]

Lebron and Durant never averaged 40 for a playoff series

Since 1984, only MJ averaged 40 in a series and he did it 6 times

And he did so against all levels (1st Round, Finals, and against goat teams and #1 defenses and top 3 defenses)

Yeah and Since 1954, only LBJ averaged a triple double in the Finals and lead all players for entire series in points rebounds and assists twice.

And he did so against the top tier competition in 2015 and 2016 Finals

Anything else?

[3ball]

Yeah and Since 1954, only LBJ averaged a triple double in the Finals and lead all players for entire series in points rebounds and assists twice.

And he did so against the top tier competition in 2015 and 2016 Finals

Anything else?
That's fine - MJ's series are better and he has more OF them

And Lebron's westbrooking is a proven loser, while MJ/Durant/Lillard's goat scoring is valued more and WINS more

But hey - lebron gets a cookie for westbrooking.. happy now?

[TheCorporation]

That's fine - MJ's series are better and he has more OF them

And Lebron's westbrooking is a proven loser, while MJ/Durant/Lillard's goat scoring is valued more and WINS more

But hey - lebron gets a cookie for westbrooking.. happy now?

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg
In his first few seasons, MJ went 1-9 with 8 seeds, while lebron couldn't even get the 8 seed

MJ >>>>>>

[TheCorporation]

In his first few seasons, MJ went 1-9 with 8 seeds, while lebron couldn't even get the 8 seed

MJ >>>>>>

1-9
30-52
27 on 41% vs 6'2
57 wins to 55

Anything else?

[Jameerthefear]

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg
:roll: :roll:

[superduper]

That's fine - MJ's series are better and he has more OF them

And Lebron's westbrooking is a proven loser, while MJ/Durant/Lillard's goat scoring is valued more and WINS more

But hey - lebron gets a cookie for westbrooking.. happy now?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

1-9
30-52
27 on 41% vs 6'2
57 wins to 55

Anything else?
Missed playoffs 3 times

17 ppg in Finals vs 5'10" Puerto Rican

22 ppg in Finals on 35%

Never built a dynasty that could win 55 without him

Team-hopped to win rings and make multiple Finals

Lost to Dwight

Only player ever to lose twice in a row with 60-win 1 seeds


Anything else?

[Vino24]

That's fine - MJ's series are better and he has more OF them

And Lebron's westbrooking is a proven loser, while MJ/Durant/Lillard's goat scoring is valued more and WINS more

But hey - lebron gets a cookie for westbrooking.. happy now?
LeTHICK is the only player in history to win a chip and lead everyone in everything :eek:

[Real14]

Another Kobe bashing thread. Reported.

[TheCorporation]

:roll: :roll:

:lol :roll:

He'll never escape it

[RRR3]

LeBron missed the playoffs with a 42-40 team but 3ball wants us to be impressed that Jordan made the playoffs with a 38-44 team and a 40-42 team? Hell in Jordan’s second year he only played 18 games and his team finished 30-52 and still somehow made the playoffs. What a weak era.

[Vino24]

Another Kobe bashing thread. Reported.
Kobe just didn't have "it" when it came to the finals. No shame in being carried by the most dominant front court in history :cheers:

[TheCorporation]

LeTHICK is the only player in history to win a chip and lead everyone in everything :eek:

:eek:

[RRR3]

Kobe literally not mentioned in the whole thread to that point:



Fake14: s-s-st-stop making fun of my lover Kobe you guys! :cry:

[3ball]

LeTHICK is the only player in history to win a chip and lead everyone in everything :eek:
He had an equal scoring partner that closed

MJ is the only guy to win multiple rings as a 1-man show (10-20 more than 2nd option), and he did it 6 times

No comparison.. :facepalm

Remember, the Clippers once had the worst team in NBA history, but they still won 10 games that year - so lebron was bound to win a Finals or 2 if he made enough of them, but he still has a lottery record in the Finals...

His skill restriction to ball domination simply doesn't yield great teams.. indeed, having one guy dominate the ball with a bunch of spot-up shooters isn't a high brand of ball that can win consistently at the championship level

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron missed the playoffs with a 42-40 team but 3ball wants us to be impressed that Jordan made the playoffs with a 38-44 team and a 40-42 team? Hell in Jordan

[RRR3]

:applause:

30-52

Weakest era ever
That’s like the Hawks making the playoffs this year :roll:

[Vino24]

He had an equal scoring partner that closed

MJ is the only guy to win multiple rings as a 1-man show (10-20 more than 2nd option), and he did it 6 times

No comparison.. :facepalm

Remember, the Clippers once had the worst team in NBA history, but they still won 10 games that year - lebron was bound to win a Finals or 2 if he made enough of them, but he still has a lottery record in the Finals... His skill restriction to ball domination simply doesn't yield good teams
one man show? didn't the Bulls win 55 games without Jordan? :whatever:

[3ball]

:applause:

30-52

Weakest era ever
The playoff cut was 45 games in 1989 - it ebbs and flows every year - you know that

Lebron simply failed to make his team the 8th best team 3 times

MJ only did that twice and it was after he was no longer an elite athlete...

Whereas Lebron couldn't generate the 8th best team 3 times despite having elite athleticism.. that speaks to a lack of SKILL compared to MJ

[RRR3]

42-40>40-42

42-40>38-44

42-40>30-52



Not LeBron’s fault he didn’t play in the stone ages.

[TheCorporation]

one man show? didn't the Bulls win 55 games without Jordan? :whatever:

Yikes :eek:

MJ has no impact

2 wins max :eek:

Meanwhile Pippen took a 1-9 career loser to the Finals

[3ball]

42-40>40-42

42-40>38-44

42-40>30-52



Not LeBron’s fault he didn’t play in the stone ages.
Lebron played in a much easier conference - widely regarded as the easiest ever - while MJ's conference was widely regarded as the toughest ever

If you ignore these facts, then you'll be surprised by results rather than expecting them

Like, do you think lebron haters were surprised he missed the Playoffs out West?... **** no - we've been paying attention to the fact for years and know he was overrated.. whereas you and all the media was shocked because you've had your head in the sand

[RRR3]

LeBron played in a weaker conference but he missed the playoffs winning more games than 3 MJ teams that did make the playoffs.


Interdasting.

[Vino24]

Lebron played in a much easier conference - widely recognized as the easiest ever - while MJ played in what was widely regarded as the toughest ever

If you ignore these facts, then you'll be surprised by results rather than expecting them

Like, do you think lebron haters were surprised he missed the Playoffs out West?... **** no - we've been paying attention to the fact TS for years and know he was overrated
Yeah we all remember that time when it only took 30 wins for LeBron to make it into the playoffs :rolleyes:

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=RRR3]42-40>40-42

42-40>38-44

42-40>30-52



Not LeBron

[3ball]

Yeah we all remember that time when it only took 30 wins for LeBron to make it into the playoffs :rolleyes:
Wow you guys are dumb

A tougher conference means you play tougher teams and have a worse record

And also play tougher teams in the playoffs, while lebron gets cakewalks

You forgot that guys didn't need strong casts to make the Finals in the 00's East (AI, Kidd, Dwight, Lebron) - yet lebron had to stack the deck in that conference to make multiple Finals - the guy is a FRAUD and you guys fell for it because you ignore the facts

do you think lebron haters were surprised he missed the Playoffs out West?... **** no - we've been paying attention to the fact for years and know he was overrated.. whereas you and all the media was shocked because you've had your head in the sand

[Vino24]

Wow you guys are dumb

A tougher conference means you play tougher teams and have a worse record

And also play tougher teams in the playoffs, while lebron gets cakewalks

You forgot that guys didn't need strong casts to make the Finals in the 00's East (AI, Kidd, Dwight, Lebron) - yet lebron had to stack the deck in that conference to make multiple Finals - the guy is a FRAUD and you guys fell for it because you ignore the facts

do you think lebron haters were surprised he missed the Playoffs out West?... **** no - we've been paying attention to the fact for years and know he was overrated.. whereas you and all the media was shocked because you've had your head in the sand
5 game series, shortened 3pt line, Car mechanics "tougher"

[RRR3]

John Starks, a literal grocery bagger, made the all-star team in Jordan

[3ball]

.
Regular Season

J HORNACEK:f. 17.7 PER.. 58.2 ts.. 0.154 WS/48.. 3.0 BPM.. 117 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 16.4 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.110 WS/48.. 0.2 BPM.. 109 ortg.. 108 drtg


Playoffs

J HORNACEK:f. 16.5 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.145 WS/48.. 3.9 BPM.. 116 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 13.9 PER.. 55.7 ts.. 0.094 WS/48.. 0.9 BPM.. 107 ortg.. 109 drtg


:facepalm ... Klay sucks

[3ball]

John Starks, a literal grocery bagger, made the all-star team in Jordan’s era.




Tougher doe
Starks was hella nice bro

Excellent athlete, shooter and competitor - ahead of his time as a 3-and-D player

Starks was little worse than Klay; a lot worse than Hornacek (see stats in previous post)

[TheCorporation]

5 game series, shortened 3pt line, Car mechanics "tougher"

Literally the weakest era of basketball. But don't mind him, he's getting senile these days. He's always lying and fabricating statistics.

:lol Grocery baggers started too :lol

[RRR3]

Literally the weakest era of basketball. But don't mind him, he's getting senile these days. He's always lying and fabricating statistics.

:lol Grocery baggers started too :lol
We all know 3ball doesn’t watch games anymore.


But if he did...I have to wonder if he’d think DeRozan was the best player in the league since he plays just like his hero....hmm

[TheCorporation]

.
Regular Season

J HORNACEK:f. 17.7 PER.. 58.2 ts.. 0.154 WS/48.. 3.0 BPM.. 117 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 16.4 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.110 WS/48.. 0.2 BPM.. 109 ortg.. 108 drtg


Playoffs

J HORNACEK:f. 16.5 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.145 WS/48.. 3.9 BPM.. 116 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 13.9 PER.. 55.7 ts.. 0.094 WS/48.. 0.9 BPM.. 107 ortg.. 109 drtg


:facepalm ... Klay sucks

Umm...Sorry for this but here we go

Finals

97 Hornacek: 12/3/3 38/38/85
98 Hornacek: 11/3/3 41/33/83

Versus..

16 Klay: 19-3-2 43/35/79
17 Klay: 16-5-2 43/43/71
18 Klay: 16-4-1 48/43/80

Check
Mate
Buddy

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=RRR3]We all know 3ball doesn

[3ball]

We all know 3ball doesn’t watch games anymore.


But if he did...I have to wonder if he’d think DeRozan was the best player in the league since he plays just like his hero....hmm
Regular Season

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.1.. 5.6.. 54.7 ts.. 114 ortg.. 21.1 PER.. 0.175 ws/48.. 6.0 bpm.. 75.6 vorp
DEROZAN:. 19.9.. 4.3.. 3.4.. 53.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 17.9 PER.. 0.113 ws/48.. -0.5 bpm.. 10.0 vorp


Playoffs

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.9.. 6.1.. 53.2 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.7 PER.. 0.134 ws/48.. 5.9 bpm.. 11.0 vorp
DEROZAN:. 21.9.. 4.6.. 3.6.. 50.3 ts.. 103 ortg.. 16.7 PER.. 0.052 ws/48.. -1.8 bpm.. 0.1 vorp


DeRozan sucks just like Klay vs Hornacek... :facepalm

[TheCorporation]

Umm...Sorry for this but here we go

Finals

97 Hornacek: 12/3/3 38/38/85
98 Hornacek: 11/3/3 41/33/83

Versus..

16 Klay: 19-3-2 43/35/79
17 Klay: 16-5-2 43/43/71
18 Klay: 16-4-1 48/43/80

Check
Mate
Buddy

3ball?

Best vs best

Klay: 19-3-2
Jeff: 12-3-3

Second best
Klay: 16-5-2
Jeff: 11-3-3

:facepalm

Do you even watch games anymore?

[3ball]

3ball?

Best vs best

Klay: 19-3-2
Jeff: 12-3-3

Second best
Klay: 16-5-2
Jeff: 11-3-3

:facepalm

Do you even watch games anymore?
Ur comparing klay's prime to Hornscek's old vet years

Prime vs. prime Hornacek destroys Klay...

Hornacek was a PLAYMAKER bro, not just a great shooter - he led the all wings in assists a couple years

[TheCorporation]

Ur comparing klay's prime to Hornscek's old vet years

Prime vs. prime Hornacek destroys Klay...

Hornacek was a PLAYMAKER bro, not just a great shooter - he led the all wings in assists a couple years

FINALS vs FINALS

Why didnt Jeff make the Finals in his prime? :(

Finals Vs Finals

[TheCorporation]

Ur comparing klay's prime to Hornscek's old vet years

Prime vs. prime Hornacek destroys Klay...

Hornacek was a PLAYMAKER bro, not just a great shooter - he led the all wings in assists a couple years

...

https://i.postimg.cc/sfWPZtWD/jordan2.jpg

[3ball]

FINALS vs FINALS

Why didnt Jeff make the Finals in his prime? :(

Finals Vs Finals
He led the Suns to 55 wins in 1992 as their leading scorer after helping demolish Magic's 1 seeded all-star team in 1990 to make the WCF

The Suns that beat Magic were stacked to the brim, but lost to an even MORE stacked Blazers team the 90' WCF (drexler was 3rd option and averaged 18 ppg to make the Finals that year)

But those Blazers were demolished in 5 games by an even MORE stacked Pistons team in the Finals (all 5 starters were either 3x all-stars or all-nba)... Only MJ's bulls took those pistons 7 games with just one 1st-time all-star (pip), and would've beaten them if not for pip's migraine in game 7 (2 pts, 1-10)

Like I said, MJ always did the most with the least and 1990 was a prime example (1989 was an even better example)

[TheCorporation]

He led the Suns to 55 wins in 1992 as their leading scorer after helping demolish Magic's 1 seeded all-star team in 1990 to make the WCF

The Suns that beat Magic were stacked to the brim, but lost to an even MORE stacked Blazers team the 90' WCF (drexler was 3rd option and averaged 18 ppg to make the Finals that year)

But those Blazers were demolished in 5 games by an even MORE stacked Pistons team in the Finals (all 5 starters were either 3x all-stars or all-nba)... Only MJ's bulls took those pistons 7 games with just one 1st-time all-star (pip), and would've beaten them if not for pip's migraine in game 7 (2 pts, 1-10)

Like I said, MJ always did the most with the least and 1990 was a prime example (1989 was an even better example)

10.7 ppg in the Finals as the #2

Yikes. Sounds like a choker to me

[3ball]

10.7 ppg in the Finals as the #2

Yikes. Sounds like a choker to me
As the historical record shows, MJ did the most with the least

He nearly beat that ridiculous 90' Pistons team with just one all-star, while the blazers, Lakers and suns all-star teams got destroyed.. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

As the historical record shows, MJ did the most with the least

He nearly beat that ridiculous 90' Pistons team with just one all-star, while the blazers, Lakers and suns all-star teams got destroyed.. :bowdown: :bowdown:

:lol

He lost 3 years in a row to that Pistons team, why do you keep bringing them up? :lol He also cried to the commissioner about them...

Not a good look for Ordan

[bigkingsfan]

As the historical record shows, MJ did the most with the least

He nearly beat that ridiculous 90' Pistons team with just one all-star, while the blazers, Lakers and suns all-star teams got destroyed.. :bowdown: :bowdown:
Losing by 19 in a deciding game = nearly beaten :oldlol:

[3ball]

:lol

He lost 3 years in a row to that Pistons team, why do you keep bringing them up? :lol He also cried to the commissioner about them...

Not a good look for Ordan
He ended the Pistons 5 all-star dynasty with 1 perennial all-star

Lebron always needed 2 perennial all-stars to win and lost by record amount with better casts than MJ had when taking the Pistons 6 and 7 games in 89/90

[TheCorporation]

He ended the Pistons 5 all-star dynasty with 1 perennial all-star

Lebron always needed 2 perennial all-stars to win and lost by record amount with better casts than MJ had when taking the Pistons 6 and 7 games in 89/90

Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)

[TheCorporation]

Losing by 19 in a deciding game = nearly beaten :oldlol:

:lol

So close doe!!!!

[3ball]

Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)
It's interesting you bring that up because every player needs an all-star to win rings

And MJ had the best record with an all-star ever

He was 6-2 with an all-star, while every other player since the ABA merger has a worse record with an all-star (i.e. lebron lost with all-stars in 05', 09', 11, 14', 17')

So MJ was the most unbeatable with the minimal help needed to win.. the most unbeatable player, aka goat

[TheCorporation]

It's interesting you bring that up because every player needs an all-star to win rings

And MJ had the best record with an all-star ever

He was 6-2 with an all-star, while every other player since the ABA merger has a worse record with an all-star (i.e. lebron lost with all-stars in 05', 09', 11, 14', 17')

So MJ was the most unbeatable with the minimal help needed to win.. the most unbeatable player, aka goat

Every? Not in 2016 baby boy

Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)

[3ball]

Every? Not in 2016 baby boy

Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)
^^^ that's your "I give up" post

MJ fam wins again

[TheCorporation]

It's interesting you bring that up because every player needs an all-star to win rings

And MJ had the best record with an all-star ever

He was 6-2 with an all-star, while every other player since the ABA merger has a worse record with an all-star (i.e. lebron lost with all-stars in 05', 09', 11, 14', 17')

So MJ was the most unbeatable with the minimal help needed to win.. the most unbeatable player, aka goat

LeBron won without an all star in 2016.

Which year did Jordan win a championship without an all star?

[3ball]

LeBron won without an all star in 2016.

Which year did Jordan win a championship without an all star?
91' and 98'

MJ won more without an all-star

And lost the least ever WITH an all-star

[TheCorporation]

91' and 98'

MJ won more without an all-star

And lost the least ever WITH an all-star

Okay let's continue, LeBron beat 3 all stars in the finals that year. How many all stars did Jordan beat in the Finals?

MJ in 1991 = 2
MJ in 1998 = 1

:(

LBJ in 2016 = 3 :eek:

Again...Greatest GOAT chip ever
Anything else?

[3ball]

Okay let's continue, LeBron beat 3 all stars in the finals that year. How many all stars did Jordan beat in the Finals?

MJ in 1991 = 2
MJ in 1998 = 1

:(

LBJ in 2016 = 3 :eek:

Again...Greatest GOAT chip ever
Anything else?
Mavs beat 3 in 2011

Utah beat 4 including Shaq in 1998

So by your definition, those are the goat series wins

Btw, lebron had an extra perennial all-star to win all his rings compared to MJ, so it's a moot point anyway

[TheCorporation]

Mavs beat 3 in 2011

Utah beat 4 including Shaq in 1998

So by your definition, those are the goat series wins

Btw, lebron had an extra perennial all-star to win all his rings compared to MJ, so it's a moot point anyway

No, Utah was not in the Finals baby boy

And 2011 Mavs chip was huge
2016 Cavs is goat
1998 Bulls is...meh