Does Kawhi "mini jordan" Leonard prove that MJ could never carry a team Like LeBron.

[Mask the Embiid]

Without Pippen another top 50 player all time

pretty much an iguodala on sterioids mixed with grant hill...

This Raptors team is pretty much better or = to every team LeBron has ever been on.This is the closest we can ever get to seeing Jordan playing in the same Eastern Conference LeBron use to steamroll over.

Not only is he not getting to the Finals, but he's also struggling to get by a "Jimmy Butler/Tobias Harris" led team.

[SpaceJammeR]

Yup he got some real good guys on his team. Siakam Ibaka gasol green Lowry. That

[TheCorporation]

Great point

5-star thread worthy :rockon:

MJ was nothing special without Pippen and he has his 1-9 playoff record to show for.

Pippen saved Jordan's legacy

[TheCorporation]

Also

https://i.postimg.cc/rs1Ryd0c/Mask1556865311452.jpg

[3ball]

You didn't need a strong cast to make the Finals from the East in the 00's - Kidd, Dwight, AI and Lebron all did it

But even though the East didn't require a strong cast, Lebron stacked his team from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs every year - he did this because he couldn't make the Finals in 09' and 10' despite the minimal cast needed to make it

So lebron only carried a non-star cast once (07') when everyone else was also doing it - media and fans ignore this fact, so they were shocked when lebron missed the playoffs in the West.. But the reality is that his "soup can" carrying ability was always overrated

Regarding Kawhi this year - he missed the period where you didn't need a strong cast to make the Finals from the East - that period was 2001-2010, and would've lasted thru 2018 if not for Lebron's super-teams.. now it's too late because Kyrie is healthy this year, Philly has 4 perennial all-stars, and Giannis now has an all-star sidekick as well - lebron left the conference just in time

[TheCorporation]

You didn't need a strong cast to make the Finals from the East in the 00's - Kidd, Dwight, AI and Lebron all did it

But even though the East didn't require a strong cast, Lebron stacked his team from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs every year - he did this because he couldn't make the Finals in 09' and 10' despite the minimal cast needed to make it

So lebron only carried a non-star cast once (07') when everyone else was also doing it - media and fans ignore this fact, so they were shocked when lebron missed the playoffs in the West.. But the reality is that his "soup can" carrying ability was always overrated

Regarding Kawhi this year - he missed the period where you didn't need a strong cast to make the Finals from the East - that period was 2001-2010, and would've lasted thru 2018 if not for Lebron's super-teams.. now it's too late because Kyrie is healthy this year, Philly has 4 perennial all-stars, and Giannis now has an all-star sidekick as well - lebron left the conference just in time

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[Bronbron23]

Without Pippen another top 50 player all time

pretty much an iguodala on sterioids mixed with grant hill...

This Raptors team is pretty much better or = to every team LeBron has ever been on.This is the closest we can ever get to seeing Jordan playing in the same Eastern Conference LeBron use to steamroll over.

Not only is he not getting to the Finals, but he's also struggling to get by a "Jimmy Butler/Tobias Harris" led team. you think kawhi is as good as mj? Defensively yeah for sure but mj was way better offensively. He's a poor man's mj offensively. Kawhi just shows how much mj would dominate this weak ass era. Put mj on this team over kawhi and raps are up 2-1. Raps only lost by 5 a few days ago. Mj's superior scoring, leadership,intelligence and passing easily make up for that.

[Manny98]

you think kawhi is as good as mj? Defensively yeah for sure but mj was way better offensively. He's a poor man's mj offensively. Kawhi just shows how much mj would dominate this weak ass era. Put mj on this team over kawhi and raps are up 2-1. Raps only lost by 5 a few days ago. Mj's superior scoring, leadership,intelligence and passing easily make up for that.
lol Kawhi is putting up peak MJ numbers with higher efficiency and better defense

The only clear advantage MJ has over current Kawhi is passing that's it

[3ball]

MJ would win pretty easily with this raptor team with more timely scoring, far better playmaking and vastly superior leadership - the veteran lowry wouldn't be disappearing multiple games, that's for sure

But the reality is that Philly is a lot more talented with FOUR perennial all-stars.. Lebron's 18' Cavs would lose to this team, especially considering they barely beat the no-star, Tatum Celtics

[Bronbron23]

lol Kawhi is putting up peak MJ numbers with higher efficiency and better defense

The only clear advantage MJ has over current Kawhi is passing that's it
Exactly that's the point dude. A poor man's mj can put up those elite numbers in this era so imagine what the real mj would do.

[Manny98]

Exactly that's the point dude. A poor man's mj can put up those elite numbers in this era so imagine what the real mj would do.
Kawhi is not a poor mans MJ

MJ averaged 32ppg in the 90s i don't think his numbers would be much better in this era tbh. It's not necessarily easier for players to score in this era compared to previous eras

Players today are easily more skilled. If Kawhi or KD played in the 90s do you truly believe they're not going to dominate

[Manny98]

MJ would win pretty easily with this raptor team with more timely scoring, far better playmaking and vastly superior leadership - the veteran lowry wouldn't be disappearing multiple games, that's for sure

But the reality is that Philly is a lot more talented with FOUR perennial all-stars.. Lebron's 18' Cavs would lose to this team, especially considering they barely beat the no-star, Tatum Celtics
Kawhi is much more efficienct than MJ and is a better defender so no

[3ball]

Kawhi is not a poor mans MJ

MJ averaged 32ppg in the 90s i don't think his numbers would be much better in this era tbh. It's not necessarily easier for players to score in this era compared to previous eras

Players today are easily more skilled. If Kawhi or KD played in the 90s do you truly believe they're not going to dominate
MJ's 32 > Kawhi's 17.7 career average, or 20.4 if you want to start with kawhi's fmvp year

So Kawhi isn't a poor man's Jordan - he's a homeless man's Jordan - which jumpshot shown on this page (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466509&page=2) could Kawhi make?.. I'll wait...

MJ was on another level with a million wrinkles to his game that the robotic Kawhi doesn't have..

Heck, the fact that kawhi's robotic style thrives in today's game proves that MJ/Kobe's majestic game would be otherworldly today

[Showtime80']

LOL Manny, even the league offices have ADMITTED that the MULTIPLE rule changes that have been made in the past 15+ were geared to enhance offenses and handcuff defenses while making life A LOT EASIER for perimeter players.

Kawhi "load management" Leonard does not have even 1/3 of the footwork and just general movement and knowledge on offense that made MJ so special, he's a down the line scorer with limited moves and a bulldozing LeBron style to boot while shooting only 37% on open 3's. In today's watered down era that's good enough to be an elite scorer. We haven't even begun to compare basketball IQ, tenacity, leadership and killer instinct which all favor Michael.

Leonard has played most of his career as second/third fiddle on stacked Spurs teams and has done NOTHING as a number one option in his last few seasons.

Put Kawhi or Durant on the 1989/90's Bulls in place of Jordan with only one other all-star caliber player, NO SPACING, no flagrant fouls and prevalent handchecking and see what happens, specially against the Bad Boy Pistons!!!

[Bronbron23]

Kawhi is not a poor mans MJ

MJ averaged 32ppg in the 90s i don't think his numbers would be much better in this era tbh. It's not necessarily easier for players to score in this era compared to previous eras

Players today are easily more skilled. If Kawhi or KD played in the 90s do you truly believe they're not going to dominate
Yes they'd both be very good but they'd be a tier under mj.

And mj would definitely be better in this era. The rules make it way to hard to gaurd guys now. You can't even contest shots or fight through screens anymore.

If you we're to ask any expert, wether it be players, coaches or analysts not one would say kawhi is a better offensive player. They would give you a rational explanation pointing to mj's better post play or mid range game. Maybe they'd point to his greater athleticism, first step or finishing skills. Whatever it is any smart bball head would say mj was better. Ask half of the idiots on here and they say kawhi is better because of stats.

[Phoenix]

If anything, Kawhi's status as a recognized top 5 player in 2019 playing a methodical, fundamental-based game primarily in the mid-range, without spamming 3's, should provide a glimpse into what MJ would do today. He doesn't have 2nd 3peat MJ's offensive polish or athleticism, who was a lesser version of his 89-93 self.

[CelticBaller]

Mini Jordan and Rich man Giannis in the same team?

The Raptors should be finals bound minimum

[TheCorporation]

Mini Jordan and Rich man Giannis in the same team?

The Raptors should be finals bound minimum

:lol

[PP34Deuce]

Embiid is a problem for any team. Add Butler, Harris, and the X factor in Simmons? That's a tough team.

Sixers get a guy like Klay (Swap Butler or Harris) and this team is flat out dangerous when healthy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This thread proves OP doesn't understand basketball.

[Neal Romer]

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Btw I agree with you OP

[Neal Romer]

Without Pippen another top 50 player all time

pretty much an iguodala on sterioids mixed with grant hill...

This Raptors team is pretty much better or = to every team LeBron has ever been on.This is the closest we can ever get to seeing Jordan playing in the same Eastern Conference LeBron use to steamroll over.

Not only is he not getting to the Finals, but he's also struggling to get by a "Jimmy Butler/Tobias Harris" led team.


Also, my man's consistency over the years with his jinx is absolute crazytown :lol

[3ba11]

Siakam turned out like Pippen, while Lowry, Van Fleet and Ibaka were additional all-stars that MJ never had, so the only question is why Kawhi never 3-peated with this cast, which was better than anything MJ ever had... We know the answer - it's because Kawhi is a lesser version of MJ in every way, such as pure scoring ability, passing, hops, quickness, agility and intangibles.

[SouBeachTalents]

Siakam turned out like Pippen, while Lowry, Van Fleet and Ibaka were additional all-stars that MJ never had, so the only question is why Kawhi never 3-peated with this cast, which was better than anything MJ ever had... We know the answer - it's because Kawhi is a lesser version of MJ in every way, such as pure scoring ability, passing, hops, quickness, agility and intangibles.
He didn't 3peat with them because he was there for one year.

[gengiskhan]

He didn't 3peat with them because he was there for one year.

Nope!

He did not 3-peated because Kawhi "chickened" out of the North.

because watching GOAT, kawhi knows, defending a ring is much tougher than winning 1st.

and 3-peating is nearly impossible if your name aint 4 letters (GOAT or SHAQ).

pick one.