NBA.com: 89% of 3PA are "open" (4-6 feet from defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet)

[3ball]

Team 3PA per game with Closest Defender 0-2 Feet (very tight) - link (https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-closest-defender/?sort=TEAM_NAME&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)

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Average 3PA per game with defender within 0-2 feet:. 0.267 3PA per game


Team 3PA per game with Closest Defender 2-4 Feet (tight) - link (https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-closest-defender/sort=TEAM_NAME&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)

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Average 3PA per game with defender within 2-4 feet:.3.293


Total 3PA per game with defender within 0-2 feet (very tight) or 2-4 feet (tight):. 3.56 3PA per game



League average 3PA per game:. 32.0
Total 3PA per game with defender at least 4 feet away (open):. 32.0 - 3.56 = 28.44
Percentage of threes that are open:. 28.45/32.0 = 88.9% (80% for Curry, 72% for Dame - link (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13681661&postcount=41))
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[Uncle Drew]

You use makeagif.com for a screenshot?

[hold this L]

doesn't watch basketball, opinion as always is irrelevant

[brooks_thompson]

It sounds like you are reading that new Kirk Goldsberry book Sprawlball. But I'm not exactly sure the point you're trying to make here. I'm tryin to work with you but you gotta give more than this.

[GimmeThat]

It's still the super star effect. It might be a fallacy to think "well, you're a professional basketball player, you should make these shots to earn a spot in the rotation." but it's really a result from double teaming or jamming one side of the floor that results in these shots.

Getting 3 points in one possession in a game averaged in the 100's is nothing. Getting a 3 while gaining defensive position is the deal breaker.

[3ball]

doesn't watch basketball, opinion as always is irrelevant
These are NBA.com stats, not opinion

Almost 90% of threes are open or wide open - it's fact

Not trying to make any point in particular - just stating facts - most threes are open or wide open

Btw, I don't expect most ish posters to be capable of reading the stats or verifying them by clicking on the links - that would require a high school education at least imo

[Showtime80']

Thank you God!!! I've been saying this since the beginning of this ugly soft bullsh!t 3 point spamming era began!!

The whole myth about modern "great" 3 point close out defense is just that, A MYTH!!! I see more wide open 3 pointers taken than EVER BEFORE and bricked at a higher rate as well because the analytic nerds will tell you that as long as you shoot 33% from 3 and basically suck at everything else on offense it ends up being "smart basketball" thus giving us a PLETHORA of players who have NO BUSINESS shooting from distance putting up brick after brick.

Today's NBA, even WITH ALL THE RULE CHANGES favoring perimeter offensive basketball and everybody and their mother practicing 3 pointers can still only muster up 36% from distance. In 1993 for example, the last great offensive year for the NBA before the "dead ball" era officially began in 1994, before any of the critical offensive enhancing rule changes the league shot 34% from 3 but wisely based their offenses on inside play and mid range which they shot at around 49% back then while also getting to the free throw line 5 more times per game.

If you gave guys like Danny Ainge, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, BJ Armstrong, John Paxson, Graig Hodges, Mark Price, Dale Ellis, Steve Kerr, Dan Majerle or Reggie Miller just to name a few the green light to heave 10+ 3 pointers per game they would've been breaking records wayyyyyy before Klay or Steph were even born and in a much much more physical era to boot.

The reality is that the nuance, overall skill level and fundamental knowledge of basketball went to SH!T thanks to the hip hop/high schooler "I wana be like Mike" generation of the early to mid 90's and it HAS NEVER RECOVERED!!!

The NBA knew what was happening (specially in the Jordan retirement years of 94, 95 and 99 when all the ugly decay came to the surface) and acted accordingly changing A TON OF RULES to ensure that the new less skilled "superstars" could shine just as brightly as the previous Golden Age generation of the 1980's and before. The modern NBA is basically a MANUFACTURED WATERED DOWN RULE ALTERED PRODUCT without any physicality or rivalries designed to transform heroes out of ZEROES, nothing more. A bland creation created to attract soft euros, suburban moms and their kiddies, it has become the TEEN BEAT of the sporting world.

Neither LeBald, Dumbrick, Curry, Harden, Leonard nor Shaq, Kobe, Iverson, Allen or Nash were sh!t compared to what came before them and here's Hubie Brown to expand a little more about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JttE4UT74k

[bigkingsfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA
Just think - 90% of Reggie Miller's threes would be open or wide open in this era!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Today's game has perfected the gimmicky drive-and-kick schemes that maximize 3-point looks... and apparently OPEN looks

[bigkingsfan]

Just think - 90% of Reggie Miller's threes would be open or wide open in this era!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Today's game has perfected the gimmicky drive-and-kick schemes that maximize 3-point looks... and apparently OPEN looks
He wouldn't clank them like Ordan, see above. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Showtime80']

Ironically enough Michael shot 38% from 3 in 1990, WITHOUT PRACTICING THEM!

In this dumbed down era guys with career broken jump shots like Ason Kidd can end up shooting 42% from 3 with enough practice!!! PATHETIC!

[SouBeachTalents]

Ironically enough Michael shot 38% from 3 in 1990, WITHOUT PRACTICING THEM!

In this dumbed down era guys with career broken jump shots like Ason Kidd can end up shooting 42% from 3 with enough practice!!! PATHETIC!
:biggums: Jason Kidd played in this era :lol

[Showtime80']

Jason Kidd shot 37% on 5 attempts from 3 between 2008 to 2013 (34 to 39 y/o), a time period which also included fake stars like LeBald, Westbrick, Harden, Durant, Curry, Thompson, George and Leonard!

Imaging if he played from 2014 to 2019 when the 3 point heaving has REALLY SPIKED! More open 3's on the same percentage!!!

He proved that 3 point shooting is the most simple skill to master with enough practice. On the flip side go try and develop the post and mid range skills of an Olajuwon, Kareem, Duncan, Worthy, McHale or Jordan, see how that works out, LOL!!! DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard say hi!

[3ball]

Ironically enough Michael shot 38% from 3 in 1990, WITHOUT PRACTICING THEM!

In this dumbed down era guys with career broken jump shots like Ason Kidd can end up shooting 42% from 3 with enough practice!!! PATHETIC!
MJ took less than 1.5 threes every year (mostly bailouts), except 2 years where he decided to dabble in threes and took over 3 attempts.- voila - he shot 35.2 and 37.6% (90' and 93')

He also shot 43% on threes during the 91-93 Finals on 3.3 attempts (24-57)...

But he was only 2-4 in the 1991 Finals - so for just the 92/93 Finals, he was 41% on 4.2 attempts.. :eek:.. he also shot 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in the 85-93' playoffs

Indeed, MJ's elite FT shooting, along with his goat form and midrange shooting translates to 3-pointers anytime he tried... :confusedshrug:
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[FKAri]

Thank you God!!! I've been saying this since the beginning of this ugly soft bullsh!t 3 point spamming era began!!

The whole myth about modern "great" 3 point close out defense is just that, A MYTH!!! I see more wide open 3 pointers taken than EVER BEFORE and bricked at a higher rate as well because the analytic nerds will tell you that as long as you shoot 33% from 3 and basically suck at everything else on offense it ends up being "smart basketball" thus giving us a PLETHORA of players who have NO BUSINESS shooting from distance putting up brick after brick.

Today's NBA, even WITH ALL THE RULE CHANGES favoring perimeter offensive basketball and everybody and their mother practicing 3 pointers can still only muster up 36% from distance. In 1993 for example, the last great offensive year for the NBA before the "dead ball" era officially began in 1994, before any of the critical offensive enhancing rule changes the league shot 34% from 3 but wisely based their offenses on inside play and mid range which they shot at around 49% back then while also getting to the free throw line 5 more times per game.

If you gave guys like Danny Ainge, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, BJ Armstrong, John Paxson, Graig Hodges, Mark Price, Dale Ellis, Steve Kerr, Dan Majerle or Reggie Miller just to name a few the green light to heave 10+ 3 pointers per game they would've been breaking records wayyyyyy before Klay or Steph were even born and in a much much more physical era to boot.

The reality is that the nuance, overall skill level and fundamental knowledge of basketball went to SH!T thanks to the hip hop/high schooler "I wana be like Mike" generation of the early to mid 90's and it HAS NEVER RECOVERED!!!

The NBA knew what was happening (specially in the Jordan retirement years of 94, 95 and 99 when all the ugly decay came to the surface) and acted accordingly changing A TON OF RULES to ensure that the new less skilled "superstars" could shine just as brightly as the previous Golden Age generation of the 1980's and before. The modern NBA is basically a MANUFACTURED WATERED DOWN RULE ALTERED PRODUCT without any physicality or rivalries designed to transform heroes out of ZEROES, nothing more. A bland creation created to attract soft euros, suburban moms and their kiddies, it has become the TEEN BEAT of the sporting world.

Neither LeBald, Dumbrick, Curry, Harden, Leonard nor Shaq, Kobe, Iverson, Allen or Nash were sh!t compared to what came before them and here's Hubie Brown to expand a little more about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JttE4UT74k
I can agree with you on:
Rules were altered to promote the Like-Mike copycat ballers.
Game is less physical.
Players have worse fundamentals.

I disagree with literally everything else. Especially the less skilled part. You can have worse fundamental skills yet still be more skilled overall. A lot of the advanced moves players do today(in b4 traveling), they do because they grew up watching it. As a result they can execute them better than yesteryear since they started with it as opposed to being forced to adopt it. Downside is, they don't necessarily know the steps that led to the genesis of that move. As such they might not be as effective at the original, more fundamental variant, of that move.

I'll also pre-empt kblaze's argument of, "They're not more skilled. They're skilled in different ways". They're skilled in different ways. Yes. But they're also more skilled today overall. Skill is also easier to showcase because the game is less physical. But the skill gap is apparent to anyone who watched even back in the early 90s. "b-b-but Kevin McHale's post moves!". The NBA killed the back to the basket post game as it promoted perimeter play.

[TheCorporation]

doesn't watch basketball, opinion as always is irrelevant

This

Also, You use makeagif.com for a screenshot?

[Showtime80']

Nice response FKari, one that I could also agree on! The NBA wanted less Kurt Rambis'es, Charles Oakley's, Maurice Lucas'es and Rick Mahorn's and thus altered the game to favor the less fundamentally sound ATHLETES that started appearing in the early 90's.

Honest question to you, do you really enjoy this modern brand of basketball?

[TheCorporation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA

:roll: :roll: :roll:

No range Ordan :lol

[tpols]

Just think - 90% of Reggie Miller's threes would be open or wide open in this era!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Today's game has perfected the gimmicky drive-and-kick schemes that maximize 3-point looks... and apparently OPEN looks


He didn't have true long range or the ability to create and shoot off the dribble. His looks would be comparable today.

[3ball]

He didn't have true long range or the ability to create and shoot off the dribble. His looks would be comparable today.


Reggie had to run off a bunch of screens to get threes back then.. Whereas today's drive-and-kick schemes allow players to stand and wait for kickouts

Offenses back then didn't run plays that were optimal for getting open 3-point looks, whereas today's format has been honed over many years and perfected to maximize threes - Reggie would have MUCH easier looks today

Also, most of today's threes are catch-and-shoot and 90% are open or wide open - Reggie's 3-point output would be like Redick's but with better 2-point scoring too

[tpols]

Reggie had to run off a bunch of screens to get threes back then.. Whereas today's drive-and-kick schemes allow players to stand and wait for kickouts

Offenses back then didn't run plays that were optimal for getting open 3-point looks, whereas today's format has been honed over many years and perfected to maximize threes - Reggie would have MUCH easier looks today

Also, most of today's threes are catch-and-shoot and 90% are open or wide open - Reggie's 3-point output would be like Redick's but with better 2-point scoring too


Stars still run off screens. Actually... All players do on good non harden esque offenses. Look at jj reddick last night. (wait you don't watch so you don't know)

Go watch the play off film from this year of curry, kyrie, dame, cj, and more. They run offball route trees through screens. But unlike miller can dribble and create giving the defense an extra layer to worry about, and themselves more options for fakes to get open.

Plus defenders from reggies era didn't venture far out. Its hilarious how they're all huddled in the paint and below the ft line extended...ding0 would salivate.

[3ball]

Stars still run off screens. Actually... All players do on good non harden esque offenses. Look at jj reddick last night. (wait you don't watch so you don't know)


Guys run off screens today but they wait for kickouts too, a ton more than Reggie did because he didn't have today's high-screen roll kickout schemes

today's format has been honed over many years and perfected to maximize threes - Reggie would have MUCH easier looks today





Plus defenders from reggies era didn't venture far out. Its hilarious how they're all huddled in the paint and below the ft line extended...ding0 would salivate

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Are you serious?

They stayed in the paint because no one was behind the line and teams attempted very few threes

The exceptions were obviously guys like Reggie and a few other guys like Majerle or Dale Ellis - the scouting report was to stick to these guys like white on rice and that's what happened - Reggie had to work like hell to get open

Regardless, 90% of today's threes are taken with 4+ feet of room - it's pretty impossible to get better looks than that.. :confusedshrug:.. today's game is infact, a joke.. not really basketball

[Euroleague]

No one plays defense in the NBA. The only time NBA and "defense" are even said in the same sentence is when NBA marketing gimmicks are being used, and/or when NBA only fans are talking.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

All this talk about everyone being better today and yet the highest and 3rd highest 3p% of the 3 ball era (excluding shortened line) were in 09 and 08, respectively.

This season ranks 11th (again, excluding shortened line) out of 37, keep in mind that most 3s are wide open and guys are practicing this shot more than ever

Imagine if guys in the 80s and 90s, even early 00s, took as many 3s as today's players :eek:

[GimmeThat]

This then turns into the combo guard argument, having players that can shoot the 3 while the shot clock winds down is important, but what about someone that starts the offense that can shoot the 3.

It translates into small ball, and regardless of rule changes, these numbers are still anchored by FTs. It's a two way sport after all.