MJ never played this bad...

[3ball]

.

Lebron's worst series



2007 ECSF vs NJN:... 24.7 on 42.3%
2007 ECF vs DET:..... 25.8 on 44.7%
2007 Finals vs SAS:.. 22.0 on 35.6%

2008 ECSF vs BOS:.... 26.7 on 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs BOS:.... 26.8 on 44.7% (quit)

2011 RD 1 vs PHI:...... 24.2 on 46.9%
2011 ECF vs CHI:....... 25.8 on 44.7%
2011 Finals vs DAL:... 17.8 on 47.8%

2013 RD 1 vs MIL:..... 24.5 on 60.7%
2013 ECSF vs CHI:.... 23.6 on 43.8%
2013 Finals vs SAS:.. 25.3 on 44.7%

2014 ECF vs IND:...... 22.8 on 55.7%

2015 ECSF vs CHI:.... 26.2 on 39.9%

2016 RD 1 vs DET:.... 22.8 on 48.7%
2016 ECSF vs ATL:... 24.3 on 50.7%


It's funny because I just took the Pippen's worst series (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13693383&postcount=216) template and barely had to change the numbers.. :rockon:

MJ only has 2 series that compare - 96' Finals (27.3 on 41.5%) and 97' ECF (30.2 on 38.7%)..

(the 97' ecf shouldn't count because he averaged 30, and I omitted all lebron series where he averaged 30+ regardless of efficiency)

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

[bullettooth]

My idol has 6 finals losses.

:banana:

[SouBeachTalents]

.(the 97' ecf shouldn't count because he averaged 30, and I omitted all lebron series where he averaged 30+ regardless of efficiency)
30/8/2.5 on 27.5 shots per games, .475 TS% and as many TO's as assists is not a good series

[Manny98]

How df is averaging 25 off 60% considered bad you clown he actually shot 62.7% from the field to go along with 7 assists and 8 rebounds that series

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2013-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bucks-vs-heat.html

But apprently shooting 38% is acceptable as long as you get your 30ppg :rolleyes:

[3ball]

30/8/2.5 on 27.5 shots per games, .475 TS% and as many TO's as assists is not a good series
Again, lebron had various series like that but i omitted them if he averaged 30+

Without a cutoff like that, we get into splitting hairs

and the cutoff was actually 27 ppg for Bron - if lebron averaged 27 or more, I ignored the series..

So you can see that the standard for MJ was higher since never averaged less than 27 - I only included those 2 series for MJ because I knew people would bring them up - but they exceed the standard used for Bron.. :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

Players who were outperformed in the NBA Finals and still won

1996 Jordan GmSc = 18.5 :(
1996 Kemp GmSc = 18.9

2015 Curry GmSc = 17.9 :(
2015 LeBron GmSc = 24.6

2004 Billups GmSc = 17.9
2004 Shaq GmSc = 18.7

Can we add any others to the list?

[egokiller]

Jason Terry
3/9

[3ball]

Players who were outperformed in the NBA Finals and still won

1996 Jordan GmSc = 18.5 :(
1996 Kemp GmSc = 18.9

2015 Curry GmSc = 17.9 :(
2015 LeBron GmSc = 24.6

2004 Billups GmSc = 17.9
2004 Shaq GmSc = 18.7

Can we add any others to the list?
Weak argument

Not worth responding to

Come up with something more substantial

[TheCorporation]

Weak argument

Not worth responding to

Come up with something more substantial

:roll:

We :banana:

stay

WINNING :banana:

Gotcha

[bigkingsfan]

7.5 points 10.2 Gamescore

You know it's bad when Rodman steals multiple FMVP votes.

[3ball]

Players who were outperformed in the NBA Finals and still won

1996 Jordan GmSc = 18.5 :(
1996 Kemp GmSc = 18.9

2015 Curry GmSc = 17.9 :(
2015 LeBron GmSc = 24.6

2004 Billups GmSc = 17.9
2004 Shaq GmSc = 18.7

Can we add any others to the list?
.
MJ won MVP because he was the best when the series was in the balance - that's how MVP is awarded, not for garbage time after the series is over

Gamescore thru 3 games (3-0 Bulls lead)


Jordan. - 23.7 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1996/#134-136-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs)
S Kemp - 19.3 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kempsh01/gamelog/1996/#57-59-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs)



And overall, gamescore isn't a substantial argument.. it's one stat... Otoh - this is substantial:


Lebron averaged 16 on 39% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-134-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 3 games of the 13' Finals

yet still won


Lebron averaged 23 on 43% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-137-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 6 games

yet still won


Lebron didn't hit the big shot (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5zYoE0OzoBU) (didn't close)

yet still won


Lebron was a net negative for the series (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)

yet still won
.

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Players who were outperformed in the NBA Finals and still won

1996 Jordan GmSc = 18.5 :(
1996 Kemp GmSc = 18.9

2015 Curry GmSc = 17.9 :(
2015 LeBron GmSc = 24.6

2004 Billups GmSc = 17.9
2004 Shaq GmSc = 18.7

Can we add any others to the list?

3ball?

[3ball]

3ball?
Responded to a couple posts up

But you never responded to the OP - how lebron has so many series worse than mj, and how he could win as a net negative with horrible performance in 2013 Finals (16 on 39% thru 3 games and 23 on 43 thru 6)

MJ never averaged 23 on 43% thru 6 games of ANY playoff series, let alone Finals

[3ball]

3ball?
MJ wasn't outperformed in the 96' Finals or any Finals, so he always won.. :confusedshrug:


Otoh, lebron was outperformed in the 07', 11', 13', 14', 15', 17' and 18' Finals, so he lost them all, except for when ray saved him.
.

[LostCause]

7.5 points 10.2 Gamescore

You know it's bad when Rodman steals multiple FMVP votes.

That moment you realize LeBron has a Finals with a Gamescore of 10.6

[bigkingsfan]

That moment you realize LeBron has a Finals with a Gamescore of 10.6
That moment when you realize Lebron was playing in the finals instead of getting swept in the first round.

[SpaceJam2]

Players who were outperformed in the NBA Finals and still won

1996 Jordan GmSc = 18.5 :(
1996 Kemp GmSc = 18.9

2015 Curry GmSc = 17.9 :(
2015 LeBron GmSc = 24.6

2004 Billups GmSc = 17.9
2004 Shaq GmSc = 18.7

Can we add any others to the list?

Yikes

3ball?

[3ball]

Yikes

3ball?
Are you seriously reposting stuff over and over that was responded to multiple times itt (post #12 (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13693433&postcount=12) and #16 (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13693433&postcount=16))???

I'll report you and get you banned for that shit

Accept the facts - MJ wasn't outperformed in the 96' Finals or any Finals, so he always won..

Otoh, lebron was outperformed in the 07', 11', 13', 14', 15', 17' and 18' Finals, so he lost them all, except for when ray saved him.

[Wally450]

Good god, OP talks about MJ like he

[90sgoat]

Lebron's a fraud and large scale machine learning is going to expose him.

[andgar923]

.

Lebron's worst series



2007 ECSF vs NJN:... 24.7 on 42.3%
2007 ECF vs DET:..... 25.8 on 44.7%
2007 Finals vs SAS:.. 22.0 on 35.6%

2008 ECSF vs BOS:.... 26.7 on 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs BOS:.... 26.8 on 44.7% (quit)

2011 RD 1 vs PHI:...... 24.2 on 46.9%
2011 ECF vs CHI:....... 25.8 on 44.7%
2011 Finals vs DAL:... 17.8 on 47.8%

2013 RD 1 vs MIL:..... 24.5 on 60.7%
2013 ECSF vs CHI:.... 23.6 on 43.8%
2013 Finals vs SAS:.. 25.3 on 44.7%

2014 ECF vs IND:...... 22.8 on 55.7%

2015 ECSF vs CHI:.... 26.2 on 39.9%

2016 RD 1 vs DET:.... 22.8 on 48.7%
2016 ECSF vs ATL:... 24.3 on 50.7%


It's funny because I just took the Pippen's worst series (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13693383&postcount=216) template and barely had to change the numbers.. :rockon:

MJ only has 2 series that compare - 96' Finals (27.3 on 41.5%) and 97' ECF (30.2 on 38.7%)..

(the 97' ecf shouldn't count because he averaged 30, and I omitted all lebron series where he averaged 30+ regardless of efficiency)

Main thing to focus on is not the stats but how they were played.

MJ was often double and triple teamed by physical defense, while Bron was playing 1 on 1 with open lanes.

[LostCause]

That moment when you realize Lebron was playing in the finals instead of getting swept in the first round.



You mean he wasn

[aj1987]

25/8/6 on 67% TS in a sweep is not a bad series? 3ball, the resident retard, with the usual cherry picked stats. ****ing retard.

[bigkingsfan]

You mean he wasn’t making the playoffs
Ok if you want to go by year in the league, then Ordan was getting pissed-on three years straight. While Lebron upset them on the way to the finals.

[SpaceJam2]

Are you seriously reposting stuff over and over that was responded to multiple times itt (post #12 (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13693433&postcount=12) and #16 (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13693433&postcount=16))???

I'll report you and get you banned for that shit

Accept the facts - MJ wasn't outperformed in the 96' Finals or any Finals, so he always won..

Otoh, lebron was outperformed in the 07', 11', 13', 14', 15', 17' and 18' Finals, so he lost them all, except for when ray saved him.

Crying ass pwssy boi :lol

Shawn Kemp wrecked MJ in 96

Accept it

[SpaceJam2]

Responded to a couple posts up

But you never responded to the OP - how lebron has so many series worse than mj, and how he could win as a net negative with horrible performance in 2013 Finals (16 on 39% thru 3 games and 23 on 43 thru 6)

MJ never averaged 23 on 43% thru 6 games of ANY playoff series, let alone Finals


So MJ crumbles at the END of a series when the pressure is at its higgest

Thanks for outing the Fraud

[3ball]

[QUOTE=Wally450]Good god, OP talks about MJ like he

[Vino24]

If 6 titles is Jesus like then what is 11 titles?

[SpaceJam2]

If 6 titles is Jesus like then what is 11 titles?

:eek:

Or 8?

Or 7?

:eek:

Or 1-9 :eek:

[3ball]

If 6 titles is Jesus like then what is 11 titles?



If 6 titles is Jesus like then what is 11 titles?


Who else has all-time levels of rings, stats and accolades?.. only MJ, and that's why he's goat.. he had the whole package

He also has the most #1 option rings BY FAR.. so that's another reason he's goat

He also has 6 rings with only 1 all-star teammate, while Kareem, magic, lebron needed 5-9 all-star teammates to win less rings, and literally HALF the 1st option rings.. MJ has twice as many fmvp as anyone else . Yikes

Heck, people thought that 8 straight titles was only possible in the 60's.... until MJ nearly did it in the 90's if his dad didn't get murdered.. MJ is the goat and it's not even close

[Vino24]

Who else has all-time levels of rings, stats and accolades?.. only MJ, and that's why he's goat.. he had the whole package

He also has the most #1 option rings BY FAR.. so that's another reason he's goat

He also has 6 rings with only 1 all-star teammate, while Kareem, magic, lebron needed 5-9 all-star teammates to win less rings, and literally HALF the 1st option rings.. MJ has twice as many fmvp as anyone else . Yikes

Heck, people thought that 8 straight titles was only possible in the 60's.... until MJ nearly did it in the 90's if his dad didn't get murdered.. MJ is the goat and it's not even close
Imagine having the FMVP award named after you :eek:

[Hey Yo]

If 6 titles is Jesus like then what is 11 titles?
His 3 titles after quitting the league for 2yrs shouldn't even count.

Imagine what other prime superstars could do if they rested up for 2yrs like MJ did.

[Hey Yo]

Who else has all-time levels of rings, stats and accolades?.. only MJ, and that's why he's goat.. he had the whole package

He also has the most #1 option rings BY FAR.. so that's another reason he's goat

He also has 6 rings with only 1 all-star teammate, while Kareem, magic, lebron needed 5-9 all-star teammates to win less rings, and literally HALF the 1st option rings.. MJ has twice as many fmvp as anyone else . Yikes

Heck, people thought that 8 straight titles was only possible in the 60's.... until MJ nearly did it in the 90's if his dad didn't get murdered.. MJ is the goat and it's not even close
MJ needed to take 2yrs off in his prime to try to win more rings.

Did KAJ, Magic or LeBron need to take 2yrs off cause they couldn't handle the rigors?

[3ball]

MJ needed to take 2yrs off in his prime to try to win more rings.

Did KAJ, Magic or LeBron need to take 2yrs off cause they couldn't handle the rigors?
He retired because he was already goat - he had no more challenges - we all remember his first retirement speech:

"when I lose the motivation and there are no more challenges"....

You simply don't understand that true competitors only want to compete if there's a challenge.. he literally took 2 years off to let everyone catch up.. like, it's unfathomable how goat MJ is

If he played those 2 years and added another ring or two, and then played in 1999, his stats would be more goat than they already are.. no one would have a chance to match them

[Hey Yo]

He retired because he was already goat - he had no more challenges - we all remember his first retirement speech:

"when I lose the motivation and there are no more challenges"....

You simply don't understand that true competitors only want to compete if there's a challenge.. he literally took 2 years off to let everyone catch up.. like, it's unfathomable how goat MJ is

If he played those 2 years and added another ring or two, and then played in 1999, his stats would be more goat than they already are.. no one would have a chance to match them
:oldlol:

you mean he used that as an excuse, because he surely wasn't going up there and speak the truth (like many close to him said the true reason why) "I'm physically and mentally exhausted after 3 long postseason runs and just want to use some time to rest.

Like I said, MJ has 3 true rings.

[3ball]

:oldlol:

you mean he used that as an excuse, because he surely wasn't going up there and speak the truth (like many close to him said the true reason why) "I'm physically and mentally exhausted after 3 long postseason runs and just want to use some time to rest.

Like I said, MJ has 3 true rings.
Revise history if you want but the facts are that he was already goat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=0m16s) - he had no more challenges

[NBASTATMAN]

.

Lebron's worst series



2007 ECSF vs NJN:... 24.7 on 42.3%
2007 ECF vs DET:..... 25.8 on 44.7%
2007 Finals vs SAS:.. 22.0 on 35.6%

2008 ECSF vs BOS:.... 26.7 on 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs BOS:.... 26.8 on 44.7% (quit)

2011 RD 1 vs PHI:...... 24.2 on 46.9%
2011 ECF vs CHI:....... 25.8 on 44.7%
2011 Finals vs DAL:... 17.8 on 47.8%

2013 RD 1 vs MIL:..... 24.5 on 60.7%
2013 ECSF vs CHI:.... 23.6 on 43.8%
2013 Finals vs SAS:.. 25.3 on 44.7%

2014 ECF vs IND:...... 22.8 on 55.7%

2015 ECSF vs CHI:.... 26.2 on 39.9%

2016 RD 1 vs DET:.... 22.8 on 48.7%
2016 ECSF vs ATL:... 24.3 on 50.7%


It's funny because I just took the Pippen's worst series (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13693383&postcount=216) template and barely had to change the numbers.. :rockon:

MJ only has 2 series that compare - 96' Finals (27.3 on 41.5%) and 97' ECF (30.2 on 38.7%)..

(the 97' ecf shouldn't count because he averaged 30, and I omitted all lebron series where he averaged 30+ regardless of efficiency)

mj shot 38 percent with that defensive juggernaut Voshawn Leonard guarding him.. :roll:

[Hey Yo]

Revise history if you want but the facts are that he was already goat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=0m16s) - he had no more challenges
His challenge was to rest up mentally and physically so he could get back out on the court....... with 17gms left in the regular season to try to win a ring the easiest way possible.

If there were no more challenges, then he wouldn't have comeback. Like I said, he wasn't going to tell the truth about his lack of mental toughness. He waited to do that when he quit again in 98.

[3ball]

mj shot 38 percent with that defensive juggernaut Voshawn Leonard guarding him.. :roll:
I listed about 15 series for lebron that were worse than that

And MJ faced goat rim protection and clogged paint in that series

I know that's foreign to you but back then paint defense was a real thing

[And1AllDay]

His 3 titles after quitting the league for 2yrs shouldn't even count.

Imagine what other prime superstars could do if they rested up for 2yrs like MJ did.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Mike took the most management load of all time

[aj1987]

I listed about 15 series for lebron that were worse than that

And MJ faced goat rim protection and clogged paint in that series

I know that's foreign to you but back then paint defense was a real thing
You are, without question, the most retarded person I've ever interacted with. Not even close.

[SpaceJammeR]

glad you're still comparing bron and mj.

[PickernRoller]

Got em again! :roll: :roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/POfI3ylhXD6lW/giphy.gif

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

it sort of wasn't popular for the U.S. to be involved in wars they weren't prepared yet, then they started holding a couple of losses to maintain the position of world power, essentially, bombed on homeland.

OP (3ball) is it required for the Bulls franchise to continue to suffer in order for MJ's legacy to live on. Or care to give us an analysis of why the Bulls when he chose to return to basketball?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Why anyone at this point would waste time comparing a ~10th place or so player with GOAT Jordan is beyond stupid.


Hell 75% of the "kids" in today's league picked MJ as the GOAT to LBJ's 12% and Kobe's 11%. And Mike hasn't played in 20 years - when many of these kids were in diapers.


Only on ISH and a couple of talking head 'tards (Sharpe/Wright) think LBJ belongs in the top spot.


Normal people with connected brain cells don't even bother with such nonsense. It was never a debate.