View Full Version : Dray, Klay, and Iggy were the main reasons for Golden States success prior to Durant
AlternativeAcc.
05-06-2019, 09:47 AM
They're the system, curry was just a beneficiary
They all possess elite feel for the game, great fundamentals, elite defense, and championship toughness
Klays shooting is better than currys because hes better against tight defense and catch and shoot situations, which is vital in the playoffs
Dray and Iggy are basketball savants ... jack of all trades... they do everything well including dirty work. Klay does dirty work as well. All are clutch in many different areas
I'm glad it's becoming well known that they are all more important than curry and always have been. They cover all of currys many weaknesses and allow him to statpad and be a "star" in the regular season.... they all possess extreme selflessness which is absolutely why golden state is the best dynasty of all time
Curry has very little to do with it.... durant is way better and more important.... curry is easily replaceable tho
If Curry was just a beneficiary then why was he the one who faced double teams most of the time? Why did the Cavs choose to double team Curry instead of KD in the 2017 finals?
TheCorporation
05-06-2019, 10:05 AM
If Curry was just a beneficiary then why was he the one who faced double teams most of the time? Why did the Cavs choose to double team Curry instead of KD in the 2017 finals?
Because Curry can't punish you because he's not a good passer and he's much more turnover-prone. That was an easy question to answer...
iguodala played amazing defense in the 2015 finals. his jumpshot is ugly but his defensive IQ is unquestionable.
sundizz
05-06-2019, 12:00 PM
It amazes how both right and wrong you can be in one post :roll:
Klay is rated correctly. A top tier shooting guard that plays tough and has that move to next play mentality that
Bronbron23
05-06-2019, 12:04 PM
I don't know about this. Steph at the time was pretty sick. The league hadn't seen anyone like him tbh. His shooting was/is other worldly. It took a few years but teams have adjusted to the way Steph and warriors play. That's the only difference. Steph and Klay arnt getting open off screens as much because teams do a much better job at switching. Theyve also built teams that have more agile bigs that can gaurd Steph on switches from the screens. If he does get switched on to a slower big the bigs job is to crown him and force him to drive and take a 2 pointer.
This is obviously as hell. I'm surprised most people aren't seeing this. Steph fans are in serious denial about this fact.
AlternativeAcc.
05-06-2019, 12:57 PM
It amazes how both right and wrong you can be in one post :roll:
Klay is rated correctly. A top tier shooting guard that plays tough and has that move to next play mentality that’s necessary to succeed in mentally demanding positions.
Dray and Iggy are shockingly underrated. Dray is as good an offensive player as he is defensive player. He is the best pick and roll player in the league when paired with Curry. He has elite burst and elite passing when receiving that ball in an advantageous position.
Iggy does so much it’s hard to even explain how valuable he is.
Curry though is the engine. It’s the reason it all works. None of those players are one on one players. They need that slight advantage to really shine. That’s what Curt provides. He draws gravity like no one in the history of hoops and creates the space and opening for them to succeed.
It’s why when KD is dominating the Warriors are so so. KD is one of the best offensive talents the world has ever seen but he’s a singular assaskn. There’s no point even trying against him because he’s too tall and just makes shot after shot. However, because of that the rest of the Dubs become guardable. They become spectators. And at its core b-ball is still a team game. The more players are involved the better energy a team has and manages to carry it over to other areas like defense. It’s somehow way more demoralizing when everyone hits shots than when just one player hits shots.
You're confusing an engine with a shiny coat of paint.
Curry is a shiny coat of paint... does it help? Sure.. it helps having a good paint job
But in no way is he the ENGINE... I literally explained why dray, klay, and iggy were/are the engine of the team
Being a shooter that draws attention does not create dynasties... it does not. Why aren't the trail blazers a dynasty? They have dame and McCollum. Why aren't the rockets a dynasty? They're the best 3pt shooting team in the NBA
Why? Because they dont have the iggy/klay/dray engine...
You're trying to sell me on the fact that not only is curry the best shooter ever... but hes so far and away better than anybody else that he singlehadedly created a dynasty with his shooting. When you do that, I come to the conclusion that you're a novice and dont understand how the game actually works. Yes curry has "gravity"... but so do many many teams and players... gravity is not an engine of a dynasty son
And when you talk about gravity, klay is actually the more dangerous 3pt shooter in the playoffs due to his catch and shoot expertise, ability to hit contested shots, and be clutch when the team needs it (see game 6 OKC 2016)
Anyways dude you have a very limited grasp of how basketball works and why teams are successful. You're telling me currys gravity is so strong that it singlehandedly or at least is by far the main reason for the best dynasty ever which is outrageously false and not worth a second thought from me
SpaceJam2
05-06-2019, 01:01 PM
You're confusing an engine with a shiny coat of paint.
Curry is a shiny coat of paint... does it help? Sure.. it helps having a good paint job
But in no way is he the ENGINE... I literally explained why dray, klay, and iggy were/are the engine of the team
Being a shooter that draws attention does not create dynasties... it does not. Why aren't the trail blazers a dynasty? They have dame and McCollum. Why aren't the rockets a dynasty? They're the best 3pt shooting team in the NBA
Why? Because they dont have the iggy/klay/dray engine...
You're trying to sell me on the fact that not only is curry the best shooter ever... but hes so far and away better than anybody else that he singlehadedly created a dynasty with his shooting. When you do that, I come to the conclusion that you're a novice and dont understand how the game actually works. Yes curry has "gravity"... but so do many many teams and players... gravity is not an engine of a dynasty son
And when you talk about gravity, klay is actually the more dangerous 3pt shooter in the playoffs due to his catch and shoot expertise, ability to hit contested shots, and be clutch when the team needs it (see game 6 OKC 2016)
Anyways dude you have a very limited grasp of how basketball works and why teams are successful. You're telling me currys gravity is so strong that it singlehandedly or at least is by far the main reason for the best dynasty ever which is outrageously false and not worth a second thought from me
:applause:
superduper
05-06-2019, 01:05 PM
So if Dray/Klay/Iggy are on the Suns then they also win 3 chips in 4 years, yeah? Devin Booker can just replace Curry and they're the same dysnasty right?
Can't wait til your stupid ass answers this one
tpols
05-06-2019, 01:10 PM
It amazes how both right and wrong you can be in one post :roll:
Klay is rated correctly. A top tier shooting guard that plays tough and has that move to next play mentality that’s necessary to succeed in mentally demanding positions.
Dray and Iggy are shockingly underrated. Dray is as good an offensive player as he is defensive player. He is the best pick and roll player in the league when paired with Curry. He has elite burst and elite passing when receiving that ball in an advantageous position.
Iggy does so much it’s hard to even explain how valuable he is.
Curry though is the engine. It’s the reason it all works. None of those players are one on one players. They need that slight advantage to really shine. That’s what Curt provides. He draws gravity like no one in the history of hoops and creates the space and opening for them to succeed.
It’s why when KD is dominating the Warriors are so so. KD is one of the best offensive talents the world has ever seen but he’s a singular assaskn. There’s no point even trying against him because he’s too tall and just makes shot after shot. However, because of that the rest of the Dubs become guardable. They become spectators. And at its core b-ball is still a team game. The more players are involved the better energy a team has and manages to carry it over to other areas like defense. It’s somehow way more demoralizing when everyone hits shots than when just one player hits shots.
Not just demoralizing but it makes the defense scramble and tire out. That s why the dubs used to blow everybody out in their patented third quarter pre Durant runs.
Imagine a scenario where a player just comes down 2 dribbles and sinks 20 footer over and over...nobody on defense had to expend any energy so once he starts missing, they have recaptured all the momentum. And can use the extra saved energy for offense as well, dual effect.
SpaceJam2
05-06-2019, 01:16 PM
So if Dray/Klay/Iggy are on the Suns then they also win 3 chips in 4 years, yeah? Devin Booker can just replace Curry and they're the same dysnasty right?
Can't wait til your stupid ass answers this one
Carmelo Anthony could replace Jordan on the second three-peat and they still win :confusedshrug:
The Iron Fist
05-06-2019, 01:16 PM
:roll: at all these theories coming out as to why other players have better finals records and legacies than lebron.
Lebron fam hurting.
superduper
05-06-2019, 01:36 PM
:roll: at all these theories coming out as to why other players have better finals records and legacies than lebron.
Lebron fam hurting.
There's a reason they're so blatantly and visibly insecure lately. Reality is finally eating them up inside and they're trying to aleviate themselves by spewing their feces onto the board in the form of "VORP/GameScore/$tats!!!!!"
I ****ING LOVE IT!!
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
AlternativeAcc.
05-06-2019, 02:03 PM
So if Dray/Klay/Iggy are on the Suns then they also win 3 chips in 4 years, yeah? Devin Booker can just replace Curry and they're the same dysnasty right?
Can't wait til your stupid ass answers this one
No because they dont have durant
I forgot to mention durant is the main piece that makes them the GOAT dynasty
The OP was meant to explain why they were so successful before (back to back finals appearances)
Most people give curry most of the credit, when he shouldn't get most of the credit because hes one dimensional and has many weaknesses and poor clutch play, poor toughness, poor decision making, etc.
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