Name a worse Championship starting PG than Mario Chalmers

[Manny98]

How was LeBron able to pull off two championships with Chalmers running point :eek:

He belongs in the G league yet somehow LeBron carried him too 2 Championships

https://i.postimg.cc/43zgWHHk/2012-13-mario-chalmers.jpg

[Overdrive]

Final Four MVP Mario Chalmers?

[SpaceJam2]

Carlos Arroyo
2011 Mike Bibby

Wait all 3 played for Miami Heat?

:eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

John Paxson

[Overdrive]

Carlos Arroyo
2011 Mike Bibby

Wait all 3 played for Miami Heat?

:eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

"Championship". I know you think making the finals is just as good, but it isn't.

[superduper]

"Championship". I know you think making the finals is just as good, but it isn't.

LMFAOOOOOO

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Manny98]

Derek Fisher:

Career:

8ppg
39%FG

/thread
Derek Fisher is one of the most clutch role players in history clown

[superduper]

Derek Fisher:

Career:

8ppg
39%FG

/thread

[superduper]

Derek Fisher is one of the most clutch role players in history clown

Please keep your feelings and emotions out of this.

I only use STATS aka FACT

[FreezingTsmoove]

Erek Fisher no D

[SpaceJam2]

LeGod :bowdown:

[Manny98]

John Paxson
Nope Paxon is one of the best shooters the league has ever seen and hit some of the biggest shots in league history

Try again

[superduper]

Imagine telling somebody that a player who played for nearly 20 years averaged 8ppg on 39%.

Now imagine telling somebody this person is a 5x NBA champion.

:wtf: :wtf: :biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

Nope Paxon is one of the best shooters the league has ever seen and hit some of the biggest shots in league history

Try again
Paxson averaged 0.4 3's per game on 36% from 3

[SpaceJam2]

Imagine telling somebody that a player who played for nearly 20 years averaged 8ppg on 39%.

Now imagine telling somebody this person is a 5x NBA champion.

:wtf: :wtf: :biggums:

Uhh Chalmers is 8.9 on .417% and will only go down

Checkmate

[superduper]

Uhh Chalmers is 8.9 on .417% and will only go down

Checkmate

So he has MORE ppg and fg%?

Wtf is your argument here :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

So he has MORE ppg and fg%?

Wtf is your argument here :oldlol:

His PRIME is Fisher's career

2ez

:dancin

[Manny98]

Anyone?

[paksat]

kyrie irving

[Nowoco]

Kenny Smith

In the finals...

1994 5.6 pts @ 38%
1995 7.5 pts @ 38% (2.3 @ 19% if you take out game 1)

[Manny98]

Kenny Smith

In the finals...

1994 5.6 pts @ 38%
1995 7.5 pts @ 38% (2.3 @ 19% if you take out game 1)
Mario Chalmers

2014 Finals 4.4 pts @ 33%

Try again

[LostCause]

Nope Paxon is one of the best shooters the league has ever seen and hit some of the biggest shots in league history

Try again

Lmao

That moment you realize Chalmers was a better player than Paxson

[Manny98]

Lmao

That moment you realize Chalmers was a better player than Paxson
Let me know when Chalmers hits a championship winning shot thanks

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WeightySoggyIbisbill-size_restricted.gif

[superduper]

Let me know when Chalmers hits a championship winning shot thanks

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WeightySoggyIbisbill-size_restricted.gif

So not only are we straight up blatantly lying about this being a championship winning shot.. but now all of a sudden Bran stans care about championship winning shots? :lol

What about the biggest shot ever hit in the history of the entire sport of basketball by Kyrie Irving? I have never seen a Bran stan acknowledge THE championship winning shot :roll: :roll:

Feel bad for each and every one of you, turning in to blatant liars with zero integrity just like your pathetic hero

[LostCause]

Let me know when Chalmers hits a championship winning shot thanks

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WeightySoggyIbisbill-size_restricted.gif


Reaching :roll:

Let me know when Paxson drops 19 in a Finals take. Also what happened to BPM, VORP etc making the better player? Did you look and noticed Paxson has NEGATIVES for advanced stats lmao

Nice try kid

[Manny98]

Still waiting for Mario Chalmers championship winning shots chop chop

[And1AllDay]

Still waiting for Mario Chalmers championship winning shots chop chop

:oldlol: :roll:


Haters like whoa 404 not found :eek: :confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

Still waiting for Mario Chalmers championship winning shots chop chop
Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av4lbel9aIo

[ImKobe]

Still waiting for Mario Chalmers championship winning shots chop chop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

Lebron goes out with cramps with the Heat up 3 with 55 seconds to go

Chalmers puts the Heat up 5 and ices the game at the FT line to put them up 3 - 1

The worst part about this is that the Heat have 5 seconds on the shot clock up 3 with 17 seconds to go in the game and dumbass Westbrook fouls on purpose when they could have had the ball back to tie the game :facepalm

[And1AllDay]

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av4lbel9aIo

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Manny98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

Lebron goes out with cramps with the Heat up 3 with 55 seconds to go

Chalmers puts the Heat up 5 and ices the game at the FT line to put them up 3 - 1

The worst part about this is that the Heat have 5 seconds on the shot clock up 3 with 17 seconds to go in the game and dumbass Westbrook fouls on purpose when they could have had the ball back to tie the game :facepalm
That's not Championship winning dumbass

Try again

[And1AllDay]

That's not Championship winning dumbass

Try again

ImKobe is a weird poster becos sometimes he posts good stuff and other times he is a tardo :oldlol: This was a tardo move by him :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

That's not Championship winning dumbass

Try again

How is it not? He scores 25 and the last 5 points for his team in a close game to put the Heat up 3 - 1. Him taking over that 4th quarter with James ailing won them the series. If Thunder tie up the series with two home games left it's a different story. His layup with 44 seconds to go is the championship-winning play of the series.

[bigkingsfan]

His layup with 44 seconds to go is the championship-winning play of the series.

That makes Legoat game 7 FT the championship-winning play of the series. :eek:

[Leviathon1121]

Hold up, if a championship winning shot makes Paxson a better player, then Jordan > LeBron because the 98 finals...ez

[imdaman99]

I remember Chalmers lighting up KD in the Finals. He was driving on him and getting him into foul trouble.

I know we'll have that other thread on Fisher, but I recall him taking over against the Celtics in game 3 in the Finals to steal homecourt back. Fisher was clutch. But both have had their moments.

[ImKobe]

That makes Legoat game 7 FT the championship-winning play of the series. :eek:

No, because Irving hit the 3 and the Warriors didn't score a single point after while OKC was crushing Miami in Game 4 and Chalmers was the one that scored 5 points in the last minute, but lol at comparing Lebron's one point to that.

[bigkingsfan]

No, because Irving hit the 3 and the Warriors didn't score a single point after while OKC was crushing Miami in Game 4 and Chalmers was the one that scored 5 points in the last minute, but lol at comparing Lebron's one point to that.
Oh oh, now you're backtracking :

"His layup with 44 seconds to go is the championship-winning play of the series."

[Leviathon1121]

Let me know when Chalmers hits a championship winning shot thanks

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WeightySoggyIbisbill-size_restricted.gif
Let me know when LeBron does.

[ImKobe]

Oh oh, now you're backtracking :

"His layup with 44 seconds to go is the championship-winning play of the series."

His Field Goal was the only shot Miami made in the last two minutes of the game, much like Irving's 3-pointer. He also iced the game at the line by making both FTs to keep them up 5. How are you comparing that to James going 1/2 at the line?

Point is that Chalmers wasn't all that bad for what his role was. He made some winning plays in a game where James got injured and couldn't go on. You don't have to make this about Lebron because that's not the point of this thread. I'm simply defending Chalmers because he was valuable in some key moments that people have seem to forgot about.

[Bronbron23]

How was LeBron able to pull off two championships with Chalmers running point :eek:

He belongs in the G league yet somehow LeBron carried him too 2 Championships

https://i.postimg.cc/43zgWHHk/2012-13-mario-chalmers.jpg
Anyone could of ran point for that heat team. Once past half The ball was always given to Bron or Wade to make a decision so it really wouldn't have mattered who it was running point.

[bullettooth]

https://media.giphy.com/media/S9pBgNGiZAqTJOquzo/source.gif

[And1AllDay]

That makes Legoat game 7 FT the championship-winning play of the series. :eek:

:eek: :eek: :bowdown:

[Manny98]

https://media.giphy.com/media/S9pBgNGiZAqTJOquzo/source.gif
The Irony :oldlol:

[bigkingsfan]

His Field Goal was the only shot Miami made in the last two minutes of the game, much like Irving's 3-pointer. He also iced the game at the line by making both FTs to keep them up 5. How are you comparing that to James going 1/2 at the line?

2:51.0 94-97 +3 L. James makes 3-pt jump shot from 24 ft
Gave them the lead and they never trailed again. LOL at these arbitrary cutoff.

[72-10]

pretty bold claim considering Chalmers won a college national championship at Kansas. Nick van Exel had some game, but he's not better than Chalmers.

[ImKobe]

2:51.0 94-97 +3 L. James makes 3-pt jump shot from 24 ft
Gave them the lead and they never trailed again. LOL at these arbitrary cutoff.

2:51 is your argument? Tell me, what happens if Wade and Chalmers don't make two more shots after that one, does Miami win with 97 points?

Nothing changes in the 2016 Finals Game 7 if James misses both FTs with 11 seconds to go.

[72-10]

So the Heat had Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Dragic, and Chalmers, and you think they losing?

[SouBeachTalents]

So the Heat had Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Dragic, and Chalmers, and you think they losing?
Dragic was not on those teams

[bigkingsfan]

2:51 is your argument? Tell me, what happens if Wade and Chalmers don't make two more shots after that one, does Miami win with 97 points?

Nothing changes in the 2016 Finals Game 7 if James misses both FTs with 11 seconds to go.
Chalmers shot wouldn't even needed bra. So why are you slurping over him?

2016 would still be a tied game. With Legoat FT to win it.

[bullettooth]

The Irony :oldlol:

How's LeBron doing in the playoffs this year?

[superduper]

Chalmers shot wouldn't even needed bra. So why are you slurping over him?

2016 would still be a tied game. With Legoat FT to win it.

What? The score was 92-89 after Kyrie hit the biggest shot in the history of basketball.

The score became 93-89 after Bran bricked the first and hit the 2nd FT.

How TF does any part of reality show that Bran's FTs meant anything at all? The delusion level of Bran stans is straight up alarming.

[ImKobe]

Chalmers shot wouldn't even needed bra. So why are you slurping over him?

2016 would still be a tied game. With Legoat FT to win it.

Game changes if Warriors/Thunder don't need a 3-pointer to get back into the game, but why would I entertain your pathetic existence any further.

[bigkingsfan]

Game changes if Warriors/Thunder don't need a 3-pointer to get back into the game, but why would I entertain your pathetic existence any further.
Legoat gave them the three point lead and they never trailed again. Ciao.

[Leviathon1121]

Let me know when Chalmers hits a championship winning shot thanks

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WeightySoggyIbisbill-size_restricted.gif
Still waiting for LeBrons, anyone?

[Manny98]

Still waiting for LeBrons, anyone?
https://i.postimg.cc/V6JvFtvX/lebronclutch.gif

Anything else?

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/V6JvFtvX/lebronclutch.gif

Anything else?


BAAAAAAAAAAANG / Mike Breen doe

[Manny98]

Dragic was not on those teams
These oldheads are clueless :oldlol:

[Leviathon1121]

https://i.postimg.cc/V6JvFtvX/lebronclutch.gif

Anything else?
Not what you or I was asking for, do you need clarification?

[And1AllDay]

These oldheads are clueless :oldlol:

These oldheads making all sorts of shit up :oldlol:

Ingraham
Baron Davis on Cavs
Siakaham
Dragic with Bron

whats next maaaaaaaaan :oldlol:

[superduper]

https://i.postimg.cc/V6JvFtvX/lebronclutch.gif

Anything else?

Why is the score cut off LMAOOO

This thread is full of nothing but Bran stans literally making up blatant lies and fabrications. Nothing new here.

[Leviathon1121]

Why is the score cut off LMAOOO

This thread is full of nothing but Bran stans literally making up blatant lies and fabrications. Nothing new here.

He literally said Paxson > Chalmers because Paxson has a Finals winning shot. BY HIS OWN LOGIC Jordan > LeBron, took him long enough to admit it. :roll:

Oh and if anyone is wondering the Heat were already ahead when he hit that shot, nice try bud.

[And1AllDay]

Why is the score cut off LMAOOO

This thread is full of nothing but Bran stans literally making up blatant lies and fabrications. Nothing new here.


splash baby boi

[Manny98]

Why is the score cut off LMAOOO

This thread is full of nothing but Bran stans literally making up blatant lies and fabrications. Nothing new here.
It was a 1 possession game if LeBron misses there is a very good chance the Spurs win or at least take it to OT

So yes it was a championship winning shot

[superduper]

It was a 1 possession game if LeBron misses there is a very good chance the Spurs win or at least take it to OT

So yes it was a championship winning shot

It was a very clutch shot.

It was not a championship winning shot (see: Kyrie Irving).

This is why Bran stans aren't respected.

[Leviathon1121]

It was a 1 possession game if LeBron misses there is a very good chance the Spurs win or at least take it to OT

So yes it was a championship winning shot

Aww, you poor thing, that is cute.

[tpols]

Chalmers actually had great talent... remember him having Finals games of 20 or more as a 6th (?) option. He was boneheaded, but fluid and slippery w/ moves. Great defender and athlete. He made stiffs like derek fisher and jon paxson look like euroleague talent.

[Manny98]

Chalmers is 31 and already out the league :roll:

Goes to show how trash he is

[The Iron Fist]

Still waiting for Mario Chalmers championship winning shots chop chop
So you

[TheMan]

Nope Paxon is one of the best shooters the league has ever seen and hit some of the biggest shots in league history

Try again
:roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

"Championship". I know you think making the finals is just as good, but it isn't.

Lol. Damn. Pretty harsh. But it's not our fault for them having their bar so low...

[34-24 Footwork]

Let me know when LeBron does.

Damn. Lol.

[34-24 Footwork]

Chalmers is 31 and already out the league :roll:

Goes to show how trash he is

Make LeBron a spot up shooter and guard opposing PGs and he wouldn't have lasted 6 years in the NBA.

[Paul George 24]

Carlos Arroyo
2011 Mike Bibby

Wait all 3 played for Miami Heat?

:eek:

https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[The Iron Fist]

https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg
https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/3uYsl3j8_AVHWp_DnJBKAg--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wME EzMDA7aD0yMTc7dz01MDA-/https://media.giphy.com/media/14ceV8wMLIGO6Q/giphy.gif.cf.gif

[RRR3]

Chalmers was a good role player and was the 3rd best player on the Heat for a large part of the 2012 playoffs (due to Bosh

[Manny98]

kyrie irving
He has a case with the way he's playing recently

[iamgine]

He's not the PG though. They had Wade and James. Chalmers were playing more Andre Roberson role.

[SpaceJam2]

He has a case with the way he's playing recently

:lol :lol

[Manny98]

Anyone?

[RRR3]

Chalmers is 31 and already out the league :roll:

Goes to show how trash he is
He tore his Achilles. He

[Indian guy]

Paxson averaged 0.4 3's per game on 36% from 3

Well, teams hardly shot 3's back then. Paxson was an amazing shooter though. Shot well over 50% from the field in the 2 championships Bulls won with him as their starting PG (1991 & 1992). The guy never seemed to miss an open shot. He was also as cold blooded as they came in the clutch. Flat out won 2 title-clinching games for the Bulls with his clutch shooting - 1991 Finals Game 5 and of course, that 3 against Phoenix in 1993. I guarantee you if somebody asked MJ the best shooter he played with, he'll say Paxson.

[RRR3]

He's not the PG though. They had Wade and James. Chalmers were playing more Andre Roberson role.
:kobe:

He was a 3+D guy and he still ran plays sometimes.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Poor Chalmers had a great game six in the 2013 finals. 20 points on 7/11 shooting, 4/5 from three. Heat's second leading scorer that game. Those seeking to diminish LeBron have latched on to Ray Allen, and ignored this great performance. How about giving him some props for saving LeBron's legacy too?

And he was like that. He was a reasonable threat from three so helped provide spacing even if he didn't score much. But he would have these games every so often where he'd get hot and give the Heat plenty of points. That's all you can really ask of a role player. Give me a big game here or there. Chalmers did that.

Of course the primary image that comes to mind when Chalmers is mentioned is one of the big three chewing him out. It seemed someone was always giving him an earful. Often times they would even lay into him at the same time. The guy impressed me because he could take that and keep playing hard. Yeah, he'd screw up defensively. But he'd take his reaming and keep going. I think he was a bit of a release valve therapeutic punching bag (metaphorically speaking of course) for Bosh in particular. That doesn't show up in the box score, but was useful.

So anyway, I'm a huge fan of LeBron, have him number one and all that, but I'm not going to dump on Chalmers to try to prop James up. He's already had enough of that. And he came through enough times that he should have earned some respect.

[RRR3]

Poor Chalmers had a great game six in the 2013 finals. 20 points on 7/11 shooting, 4/5 from three. Heat's second leading scorer that game. Those seeking to diminish LeBron have latched on to Ray Allen, and ignored this great performance. How about giving him some props for saving LeBron's legacy too?

And he was like that. He was a reasonable threat from three so helped provide spacing even if he didn't score much. But he would have these games every so often where he'd get hot and give the Heat plenty of points. That's all you can really ask of a role player. Give me a big fame here or there. Chalmers did that.

Of course the primary image that comes to mind when Chalmers is mentioned is one of the big three chewing him out. It seemed someone was always giving him an earful. Often times they would even lay into him at the same time. The guy impressed me because he could take that and keep playing hard. Yeah, he'd screw up defensively. But he'd take his reaming and keep going. I think he was a bit of a release valve therapeutic punching bag (metaphorically speaking of course) for Bosh in particular. That doesn't show up in the box score, but was useful.

So anyway, I'm a huge fan of LeBron, have him number one and all that, but I'm not going to dump on Chalmers to try to prop James up. He's already had enough of that. And he came through enough times that he should have earned some respect.
Chalmers was a better scorer than people realize. In 55 games for the Grizzlies in 2016, he averaged 10.8 PPG in 22.8 MPG (17.1 PTS per 36 minutes) on 57.0 TS%

[egokiller]

Manny has lebron at #11 all time.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Now if anyone wants to dump on Joel Anthony I'm all aboard that train.

[RealSkipBayless]

What happened to his career after Lebron went back home.

Anyone know?

[superduper]

Derek Fisher.

Woo that was easy.

[Bawkish]

Derek Fisher.

Woo that was easy.

ima start a thread with a title:

Name a worse championship starting center than Luc Longley :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Paxon. Kerr. Are nowhere near as good. So there's 2.

[Detroit]

JJ Barea.


Oh wait nvm, he came off the bench and did this:
https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

[Manny98]

Paxon. Kerr. Are nowhere near as good. So there's 2.
Stop trolling

[Mr Feeny]

Stop trolling

Isn't that what you're doing? After admitting g that Lebron is 10 spots behind Jordan all time?

Now, go cry in some corner.

[warriorfan]

Still waiting for Mario Chalmers championship winning shots chop chop

He hit a do or die contested 3 in the NCAA championship to tie the game with 2 seconds left...you were probably like 5 years old at the time...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8UfvQqbOQt8

[superduper]

The only people who hit championship winning shots in history are:

MJ
Kyrie

[jayfan]

Seven pages, and not one mention of BJ Armstrong.


(1993)



.

[Relinquish]

Derek Fisher:

Career:

8ppg
39%FG

/thread

40%. I like how last time you mentioned him you said 38% and now you're still undercutting it. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Seven pages, and not one mention of BJ Armstrong.


(1993)



.
BJ Armstrong was a legit borderline superstar f*ck outta here

[superduper]

BJ Armstrong was a legit borderline superstar f*ck outta here

Reported ******

[jayfan]

BJ Armstrong was a legit borderline superstar f*ck outta here

Stop it.


.

[superduper]

Stop it.


.

Just report him

[Manny98]

Stop it.


.
You just implied that BJ Armstrong was worse than Mario Chalmers and your telling me to stop it?

[LostCause]

This thread has gone 7 pages yet no one has shown how Paxson is better than Chalmers

Let’s go Bron Stans

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=LostCause]This thread has gone 7 pages yet no one has shown how Paxson is better than Chalmers

Let

[LostCause]

Paxson was more clutch and was a far better playmaker

Armstrong & Paxson > Chalmers and Cole and It's not close


Prove this with data. Don’t make shit up. Show me how Paxson > Chalmers

Being more clutch doesn’t make you a better player, either

Also no one mentioned Armstrong , but how many points did he score in the 91 Finals?

[Turbo Slayer]

LeGOAT LeTop10 LeClutch

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=LostCause]Prove this with data. Don

[LostCause]

Paxson averaged more points higher assists with less turnovers and being more clutch does help in his case o being a better player

You're pretty much wrong on all counts

Reg Season Career
Chalmers - 8.9ppg, 2.5rpg,3.7apg, 1.5spg, 9.8 VORP, 0.3BPM, .090WS/48, .546 TS%
Paxson - 7.2ppg, 1.2rpg, 3.6apg, 0.7spg, -2.7 VORP, -2.6BPM, .101WS/48, .548TS%

Playoff Career
Chalmers - 8.8 ppg, 2.5rpg, 3.2apg, 1.2spg, 2.3VORP, 1.1 BPM, 0.87WS/48, .545TS%

Paxson - 6.3ppg, 0.9rpg, 2.6apg, 0.5spg, 0.1 VORP, -1.8BPM, .101WS/48, .561TS%

During championship runs only

Championship Season stats
Chalmers - 9.2ppg, 2,4rpg, 3.5apg, 1.5spg, 3.2 VORP, 1.2BPM, .116WS/48, .577TS%

Paxson - 6.9ppg, 1.1rpg, 3.1apg, 0.7spg, 0.2 VORP, -1.8BPM, .120WS/48, .563TS%

Championship Playoff stats
Chalmers - 10.3ppg, 3.0rpg, 3.5apg, 1.1spg, 1.3VORP, 1.6BPM, .102WS/48, .540TS%

Paxson - 7.0ppg, 1.1rpg, 2.5apg, 0.5spg, 0.7VORP, 0.1BPM, .138WS/48, .607TS%

Let's see. 91 Finals Paxson is debatable as for who's better but 92 and 93 Paxson is definitely worse than Chalmers. So if Chalmers is better than Paxson more often than not, that means Paxson was overall worse than Chalmers no matter how you slice it. (Keep in mind I'm only even entertaining "Finals Only" stats because I know you have no other option and I'm a nice guy. Finals only stats don't determine who a better player is)

Your own thread backfired, dipshit


Armstrong played 7mpg in the 91 finals, idiot
How you can say that and not realize it makes YOU look like an idiot is beyond me :oldlol:

Doesn't look like Armstrong helps your argument much then. You brought him up because you know Chalmers beats out Paxson statistically so you needed a fallback but what we're gonna do is focus on PAXSON

[LostCause]

[QUOTE=LostCause]This thread has gone 7 pages yet no one has shown how Paxson is better than Chalmers

Let

[SouBeachTalents]

The only people who hit championship winning shots in history are:

MJ
Kyrie
Nah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEdYzzO5wNo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKaCSbKd6Qg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VMuqXVGRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9i6Xg_J9g

[Manny98]

You're pretty much wrong on all counts

Reg Season Career
Chalmers - 8.9ppg, 2.5rpg,3.7apg, 1.5spg, 9.8 VORP, 0.3BPM, .090WS/48, .546 TS%
Paxson - 7.2ppg, 1.2rpg, 3.6apg, 0.7spg, -2.7 VORP, -2.6BPM, .101WS/48, .548TS%

Playoff Career
Chalmers - 8.8 ppg, 2.5rpg, 3.2apg, 1.2spg, 2.3VORP, 1.1 BPM, 0.87WS/48, .545TS%

Paxson - 6.3ppg, 0.9rpg, 2.6apg, 0.5spg, 0.1 VORP, -1.8BPM, .101WS/48, .561TS%

During championship runs only

Championship Season stats
Chalmers - 9.2ppg, 2,4rpg, 3.5apg, 1.5spg, 3.2 VORP, 1.2BPM, .116WS/48, .577TS%

Paxson - 6.9ppg, 1.1rpg, 3.1apg, 0.7spg, 0.2 VORP, -1.8BPM, .120WS/48, .563TS%

Championship Playoff stats
Chalmers - 10.3ppg, 3.0rpg, 3.5apg, 1.1spg, 1.3VORP, 1.6BPM, .102WS/48, .540TS%

Paxson - 7.0ppg, 1.1rpg, 2.5apg, 0.5spg, 0.7VORP, 0.1BPM, .138WS/48, .607TS%

Let's see. 91 Finals Paxson is debatable as for who's better but 92 and 93 Paxson is definitely worse than Chalmers. So if Chalmers is better than Paxson more often than not, that means Paxson was overall worse than Chalmers no matter how you slice it. (Keep in mind I'm only even entertaining "Finals Only" stats because I know you have no other option and I'm a nice guy. Finals only stats don't determine who a better player is)

Your own thread backfired, dipshit


How you can say that and not realize it makes YOU look like an idiot is beyond me :oldlol:

Doesn't look like Armstrong helps your argument much then. You brought him up because you know Chalmers beats out Paxson statistically so you needed a fallback but what we're gonna do is focus on PAXSON
Paxson has higher win shares and better stats per 36 got it

If you think Chalmers is better than BJ then your basically admitting that the 90s is the weakest era since a player that's apparently worse than Mario Chalmers made the all star team :lol

So try again or accept yet another defeat

[Manny98]

Nah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEdYzzO5wNo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKaCSbKd6Qg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VMuqXVGRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9i6Xg_J9g
Wait... Where are the Mario Chalmers championship winning shots

I see Paxson and Kerr but no Mario :(

[LostCause]

Paxson has higher win shares and better stats per 36 got it

What? Lmao

You clearly have no argument. So lets just say you admit Chalmers was better than Paxson

Thread backfire :lol


If you think Chalmers is better than BJ then your basically admitting that the 90s is the weakest era since a player that's apparently worse than Mario Chalmers made the all star team :lol

BJ was definitely better from 93 onward, but do you know why BJ made the All-Star team? It certainly wasn't because of his play

Also, again, nice try to divert. We're talking about Paxson and Chalmers, not BJ


So try again or accept yet another defeat

@TheCorporation @LAmbruh @Scuzzy @Bronfam

This kid is on an island right now. Send help. It's not looking good. Per 36 stats :lol :lol :lol

[Manny98]

What? Lmao

You clearly have no argument. So lets just say you admit Chalmers was better than Paxson

Thread backfire :lol



BJ was definitely better from 93 onward, but do you know why BJ made the All-Star team? It certainly wasn't because of his play

Also, again, nice try to divert. We're talking about Paxson and Chalmers, not BJ



@TheCorporation @LAmbruh @Scuzzy @Bronfam

This kid is on an island right now. Send help. It's not looking good. Per 36 stats :lol :lol :lol
Per minute Paxson averaged more points and assists than Chalmers with higher scoring efficiency and higher WS/48 so you literally have zero argument

Take the L and move on

[LostCause]

Per minute Paxson averaged more points and assists than Chalmers with higher scoring efficiency and higher WS/48 so you literally have zero argument

Take the L and move on

Lmao he still loses dipshit :roll: Chalmers kills him in almost every advanced metric (His efficiency is even better than Paxsons during Championship seasons) and his Real AND Per 36 averages are better too (He still averages less points btw, where'd you get that from?)

You're getting desperate trying to go to Per-36 numbers and Paxson is still worse. Though going by Per 36, Boban > Barkley :roll:

Manny you're only going to embarrass yourself worse. Even folks who already know you're a moron won't believe you're this stupid, but continue... I'm enjoying it

[egokiller]

Wait... Where are the Mario Chalmers championship winning shots

I see Paxson and Kerr but no Mario :(

Lebron wasn’t a good enough leader to put 2 different men in position to make championship game winning shots based on an actual drawn up play. The best he could do is nothing offensively in 4 min of play until Kylie took it upon himself (no play) to hit a dagger.

One man is GOAT, the other is a 6 timer loser. No wonder why you have lebron at 11th. :roll:

[LostCause]

[QUOTE=LostCause]This thread has gone 7 pages yet no one has shown how Paxson is better than Chalmers

Let

[Manny98]

Lmao he still loses dipshit :roll: Chalmers kills him in almost every advanced metric (His efficiency is even better than Paxsons during Championship seasons) and his Real AND Per 36 averages are better too (He still averages less points btw, where'd you get that from?)

You're getting desperate trying to go to Per-36 numbers and Paxson is still worse. Though going by Per 36, Boban > Barkley :roll:

Manny you're only going to embarrass yourself worse. Even folks who already know you're a moron won't believe you're this stupid, but continue... I'm enjoying it
Your just lying now

1. Paxson has a higher Net Rating and has higher WS/48 than Chalmers so he wins in the advanced stats column

2. Paxson has a higher TS% so he wins in the efficiency column

3. Per 36

Paxson averaged 10/4 in the Bulls championship years
Chalmers averaged 9/3 in the Heats championship years

So i conclude that Chalmers has zero argument over Paxson end of

[TheMan]

Paxson was more clutch and was a far better playmaker

Armstrong & Paxson > Chalmers and Cole and It's not close
:biggums:

Paxson was never ever a playmaker :roll: He was a PG in title only, he was basically an undersized SG...and you saying BJ Armstrong was a borderline superstar is straight out retarded :roll:

[Manny98]

:biggums:

Paxson was never ever a playmaker :roll: He was a PG in title only, he was basically an undersized SG...and you saying BJ Armstrong was a borderline superstar is straight out retarded :roll:
Paxson averaged 11 assists per 36 his rookie season.

However on the Bulls he was reduced into a spot up shooter so we never got to see Paxson fufill his full potential

[egokiller]

Paxson averaged 11 assists per 36 his rookie season.

However on the Bulls he was reduced into a spot up shooter so we never got to see Paxson fufill his full potential

Sounds like what Lebron did to Chris Bosh. :roll:

[LostCause]

Your just lying now

1. Paxson has a higher Net Rating and has higher WS/48 than Chalmers so he wins in the advanced stats column

2. Paxson has a higher TS% so he wins in the efficiency column

3. Per 36

Paxson averaged 10/4 in the Bulls championship years
Chalmers averaged 9/3 in the Heats championship years

So i conclude that Chalmers has zero argument over Paxson end of

Yawn


You're pretty much wrong on all counts

Reg Season Career
Chalmers - 8.9ppg, 2.5rpg,3.7apg, 1.5spg, 9.8 VORP, 0.3BPM, .090WS/48, .546 TS%
Paxson - 7.2ppg, 1.2rpg, 3.6apg, 0.7spg, -2.7 VORP, -2.6BPM, .101WS/48, .548TS%

Playoff Career
Chalmers - 8.8 ppg, 2.5rpg, 3.2apg, 1.2spg, 2.3VORP, 1.1 BPM, 0.87WS/48, .545TS%

Paxson - 6.3ppg, 0.9rpg, 2.6apg, 0.5spg, 0.1 VORP, -1.8BPM, .101WS/48, .561TS%

During championship runs only

Championship Season stats
Chalmers - 9.2ppg, 2,4rpg, 3.5apg, 1.5spg, 3.2 VORP, 1.2BPM, .116WS/48, .577TS%

Paxson - 6.9ppg, 1.1rpg, 3.1apg, 0.7spg, 0.2 VORP, -1.8BPM, .120WS/48, .563TS%

Championship Playoff stats
Chalmers - 10.3ppg, 3.0rpg, 3.5apg, 1.1spg, 1.3VORP, 1.6BPM, .102WS/48, .540TS%

Paxson - 7.0ppg, 1.1rpg, 2.5apg, 0.5spg, 0.7VORP, 0.1BPM, .138WS/48, .607TS%

Let's see. 91 Finals Paxson is debatable as for who's better but 92 and 93 Paxson is definitely worse than Chalmers. So if Chalmers is better than Paxson more often than not, that means Paxson was overall worse than Chalmers no matter how you slice it. (Keep in mind I'm only even entertaining "Finals Only" stats because I know you have no other option and I'm a nice guy. Finals only stats don't determine who a better player is)


Also just for fun, since you Bron stans love Gamescore, here's their "average" Gamescore during championship years split between reg season and playoffs

Average Gamescore during Championship Seasons
Chalmers - 7.25
Paxson - 5.67

Average Gamescore during Championship Playoffs
Chalmers - 7.35
Paxson - 5.9

Keep it up Manny :roll:

[LostCause]

Paxson averaged 11 assists per 36 his rookie season.

However on the Bulls he was reduced into a spot up shooter so we never got to see Paxson fufill his full potential

LMAO. I guess Paxson was on his way to being John Stockton huh? :roll:

Per 36 :roll:

Quick someone sign Vince Hunter. He's a stud looking at his Per-36 stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/huntevi01.html

31ppg/15rpg/5blks why is he not on an NBA team? Madness

**** this is gold.

[Manny98]

Yawn



Also just for fun, since you Bron stans love Gamescore, here's their "average" Gamescore during championship years split between reg season and playoffs

Average Gamescore during Championship Seasons
Chalmers - 7.25
Paxson - 5.67

Average Gamescore during Championship Playoffs
Chalmers - 7.35
Paxson - 5.9

Keep it up Manny :roll:
Are you ****ing blind Paxson has a much higher true shooting in the playoffs dipshit

Chalmers has a higher gamescore due to playing more minutes but I already proved Paxson was better per 36 and had a much superior Net rating

[egokiller]

LMAO. I guess Paxson was on his way to being John Stockton huh? :roll:

Per 36 :roll:

Quick someone sign Vince Hunter. He's a stud looking at his Per-36 stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/huntevi01.html

31ppg/15rpg/5blks why is he not on an NBA team? Madness

**** this is gold.

:roll:

Poor Manny....

[LostCause]

Quick what ever happened to Steve Novak? Check this out!

(Per 36 averages)

Player A - 8.6 3PA, .436 3PT%
Player B - 8.5 3PA, .430 3PT%

Player A is Steph Curry
Player B is Steve Novak

Someone better sign that man quick!

[Manny98]

LMAO. I guess Paxson was on his way to being John Stockton huh? :roll:

Per 36 :roll:

Quick someone sign Vince Hunter. He's a stud looking at his Per-36 stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/huntevi01.html

31ppg/15rpg/5blks why is he not on an NBA team? Madness

**** this is gold.
Cringe :rolleyes:

[LostCause]

Are you ****ing blind Paxson has a much higher true shooting in the playoffs dipshit

Chalmers has a higher gamescore due to playing more minutes but I already proved Paxson was better per 36 and had a much superior Net rating

As I said, Chalmers still wins out statistically no matter how you slice it. Per game, Per 36, Reg Season, Playoffs. Whatever. He also wins in almost every advanced metric

Tell you what though. Make a thread on how Jordan stifled Paxson from becoming the next John Stockton and post your per 36 stats. If it doesn't get you banned, I'd love to see the memes that follow

EDIT: One more thing, Chalmers also beats him out in PER. Which is based on per-minute production and is also pace adjusted.

But yeah nice try

[Bawkish]

bye Manny we will miss you

[PickernRoller]

Bois I only said half way, not all in. :no:

[Manny98]

As I said, Chalmers still wins out statistically no matter how you slice it. Per game, Per 36, Reg Season, Playoffs. Whatever. He also wins in almost every advanced metric

Tell you what though. Make a thread on how Jordan stifled Paxson from becoming the next John Stockton and post your per 36 stats. If it doesn't get you banned, I'd love to see the memes that follow

EDIT: One more thing, Chalmers also beats him out in PER. Which is based on per-minute production and is also pace adjusted.

But yeah nice try
No he doesn't their PERs are more or less the same you f*cking idiot

[Mr Feeny]

So close thread?
We have established that Lebron was lucky enough to play with a.better point guard than the one Jordan was stuck with when he won his first 3 peat:

[Manny98]

So close thread?
We have established that Lebron was lucky enough to play with a.better point guard than the one Jordan was stuck with when he won his first 3 peat:
Nope Paxson has much higher WS/48 and was more efficient from the field and a better defender

Don't even get me started on BJ who was an all star

[Manny98]

Now that we have established the Paxson and Armstrong are CLEARLY better than Chalmers

Can anyone actually name a worse championship starting PG than Chalmers still waiting...

[Mr Feeny]

Nope Paxson has much higher WS/48 and was more efficient from the field and a better defender

Don't even get me started on BJ who was an all star

Nah. Chalmers were 10 times better as an offensive and defensive player. And 20 times better than BJ.

Ok done and dusted.

[Manny98]

So a player that's 20 times worse than Mario Chalmers made the all star team as a starter in the 90s yikes :oldlol:

What a weak pathetic era where BJ Armstrong can start in the all star game :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

So a player that's 20 times worse than Mario Chalmers made the all star team as a starter in the 90s yikes :oldlol:

What a weak pathetic era where BJ Armstrong can start in the all star game :roll: :roll:

I must have missed when BJ was am all star with Jordan:lol
Incidentslly, big Z 》centre Jordan ever had, if we are going by that.

[Manny98]

I must have missed when BJ was am all star with Jordan:lol
Incidentslly, big Z 》centre Jordan ever had, if we are going by that.
So your saying Jordan held him back :eek:

[superduper]

OP getting straight up humiliated in his own thread

[LAmbruh]

Manny putting on a 1v5 clinic


Easy work:lol

[LAmbruh]

Already manhandled 4 Jordan stans in this thread

Who's next I'm waiting....

https://i.postimg.cc/nrCq9JWj/tenor-3.gif
:lol :lol

should be charging college tuition for these undergrads you gotta teach

[LostCause]

No he doesn't their PERs are more or less the same you f*cking idiot

He doesn't? Lmao. Can you even ****ing count, retard? Let me help you

Career Season PER
Player A: 12.0
Player B: 12.7

Championship Season PER
Player A: 11.8
Player B: 13.1

Career Playoff PER
Player A: 10.2
Player B: 11.8

Championship Year Playoff PER
Player A: 11.4
Player B: 12.3

Which one is higher across the board, Player A or Player B? Since I'm a nice guy, this may help too
https://www.helpingwithmath.com/by_subject/place_value/comparing_numbers.htm

Now again, which one is higher Manny the Moron? (Also by your logic, their assists per 36 are "the same" too lmao)

Btw, Player B is obviously Mario Chalmers

Anyway


This thread has gone 7 pages yet no one has shown how Paxson is better than Chalmers

Let’s go Bron Stans

Anyone else?

We got Manny in here not able to count numbers and needing lessons, talking about Per 36 and Per Minute averages he knows nothing about and then bringing up unrelated players (BJ Armstrong) and contracting himself

At this point it's not even comedy anymore. Send help

EDIT: Just saw this


Nope Paxson has much higher WS/48 and was more efficient from the field and a better defender

LOL

John Paxson a better defender than Mario Chalmers. Did you have an aneurysm before saying that?

[LostCause]

:lol :lol

should be charging college tuition for these undergrads you gotta teach

Yal need to do a group hug and teach ya boy how to count, so I don't have to link him to shit like this :lol

https://www.helpingwithmath.com/by_subject/place_value/comparing_numbers.htm

[egokiller]

OP getting straight up humiliated in his own thread

Kid is absolutely seething right now. :oldlol:

Imagine living every day knowing you have to settle for a 3/9 disrespected short comer like LeBron as your hero and then create a troll account to argue with yourself over it just to cope. Such is the life of Manny98.

[Manny98]

He doesn't? Lmao. Can you even ****ing count, retard? Let me help you

Career Season PER
Player A: 12.0
Player B: 12.7

Championship Season PER
Player A: 11.8
Player B: 13.1

Career Playoff PER
Player A: 10.2
Player B: 11.8

Championship Year Playoff PER
Player A: 11.4
Player B: 12.3

Which one is higher across the board, Player A or Player B? Since I'm a nice guy, this may help too
https://www.helpingwithmath.com/by_subject/place_value/comparing_numbers.htm

Now again, which one is higher Manny the Moron? (Also by your logic, their assists per 36 are "the same" too lmao)

Btw, Player B is obviously Mario Chalmers

Anyway



Anyone else?

We got Manny in here not able to count numbers and needing lessons, talking about Per 36 and Per Minute averages he knows nothing about and then bringing up unrelated players (BJ Armstrong) and contracting himself

At this point it's not even comedy anymore. Send help

EDIT: Just saw this



LOL
You can't be serious :lol i just said their PERs are more or less the same meaning the advantage that Chalmers has is so slight It's not even worth mentioning

So what do you do? Post data showing a miniscule 0.9 PER gap between Chalmers and Paxson. :facepalm

This is the best f*cking argument you can come up with :oldlol:

Paxson has a higher WS/48

6% more efficient in the playoffs showing he's the better scorer

Better assist to turnover showing Paxson is a superior playmaker

Paxson has a far better Net Rating, Chalmers had a negative net rating in 2013 for christ sake

Paxson is more reliable in the clutch ( see his championship clinching shot)

Now begone Peasant

[LostCause]

You can't be serious :lol i just said their PERs are more or less the same meaning the advantage that Chalmers has is so slight It's not even worth mentioning

So what do you do? Post data showing a miniscule 0.9 PER gap between Chalmers and Paxson.

This is the best f*cking argument you can come up with

That's nice. So Chalmers being higher means he's better, correct? Given your emphasis on per-minute impact you can't disagree with this


Paxson has a higher WS/48

By a difference of... 0.011

Yet you're bitching about Chalmers' advantage in PER being slight lmao. Keep showing you're a moron, it never gets old


6% more efficient in the playoffs showing he's the better scorer


Must be why Chalmers kills him in every scoring/offensive metric


Better assist to turnover showing Paxson is a superior playmaker

Ah ok. Didn't know it worked like that. So Draymond Green is a superior playmaker than LeBron James, cuz he has a better Assist to Turnover right?



Paxson has a far better Net Rating, Chalmers had a negative net rating in 2013 for christ sake

Paxson has a negative career TPA. Comparison
https://i.ibb.co/qdr2V5r/tpa.png
https://i.ibb.co/qdr2V5r/tpa.png

Their Individual Playoff TPA
https://i.ibb.co/zGsd61D/tpap.png
https://ibb.co/5BTZKdw

Individial Season TPA
https://i.ibb.co/HCzwXbB/tpas.png
https://ibb.co/Jq76CGm

TPA is Total Points Added. I wonder why Chalmers actually has value here while Paxson is well into negative territory :roll: What's your argument for this one?


Paxson is more reliable in the clutch ( see his championship clinching shot)

Prove it

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228748-nba-finals-2012-miami-heats-mario-chalmers-takes-oklahoma-city-thunder-down

https://nesn.com/2012/06/mario-chalmers-growing-from-heats-weak-link-to-clutch-hero/


Now begone Peasant

"BJ Armstrong was a borderline Superstar"
"John Paxson was a better defender than Mario Chalmers"
"Per 36"

:roll:

Please tell me you have more

[BarberSchool]

2006 Devin Harris FTW.

[Manny98]

That's nice. So Chalmers being higher means he's better, correct? Given your emphasis on per-minute impact you can't disagree with this



By a difference of... 0.011

Yet you're bitching about Chalmers' advantage in PER being slight lmao. Keep showing you're a moron, it never gets old



Must be why Chalmers kills him in every scoring/offensive metric



Ah ok. Didn't know it worked like that. So Draymond Green is a superior playmaker than LeBron James, cuz he has a better Assist to Turnover right?




Paxson has a negative career TPA. Comparison
https://i.ibb.co/qdr2V5r/tpa.png
https://i.ibb.co/qdr2V5r/tpa.png

Their Individual Playoff TPA
https://i.ibb.co/zGsd61D/tpap.png
https://ibb.co/5BTZKdw

Individial Season TPA
https://i.ibb.co/HCzwXbB/tpas.png
https://ibb.co/Jq76CGm

TPA is Total Points Added. I wonder why Chalmers actually has value here while Paxson is well into negative territory :roll: What's your argument for this one?



Prove it

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228748-nba-finals-2012-miami-heats-mario-chalmers-takes-oklahoma-city-thunder-down

https://nesn.com/2012/06/mario-chalmers-growing-from-heats-weak-link-to-clutch-hero/



"BJ Armstrong was a borderline Superstar"
"John Paxson was a better defender than Mario Chalmers"
"Per 36"

:roll:

Please tell me you have more
You do realize that LeBron is the GOAT according to this "TPA" metric that you just used to try and prove that Chalmers is so much better than Paxson :oldlol:

https://nbamath.com/progressive-goat-rankings/

Woops time for LostCause to move goalposts yet again

[LAmbruh]

You do realize that LeBron is the GOAT according to this "TPA" metric that you just used to try and prove that Chalmers is so much better than Paxson :oldlol:

https://nbamath.com/progressive-goat-rankings/

Woops time for LostCause to move goalposts yet again
ouch :oldlol:

[BarberSchool]

https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/u-g-F7S2UQ0.jpg

[BarberSchool]

Kenny Smith

In the finals...

1994 5.6 pts @ 38%
1995 7.5 pts @ 38% (2.3 @ 19% if you take out game 1)Kenny Smith also had Kenny Smith's personality. Which makes him even worse than his stats indicate.

Also he was benched in favor of ROOKIE Sam Cassell.

Also:

https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/u-g-F7S2UQ0.jpg

[LostCause]

You do realize that LeBron is the GOAT according to this "TPA" metric that you just used to try and prove that Chalmers is so much better than Paxson :oldlol:

https://nbamath.com/progressive-goat-rankings/

Woops time for LostCause to move goalposts yet again

What does LeBron have to do with Chalmers and Paxson?

Are you sure you even know what "moving the goalposts" even means :roll:

I'll take this lack of an argument as your concession though. NEXT!


This thread has gone 7 pages yet no one has shown how Paxson is better than Chalmers

Let’s go Bron Stan

Still waiting

Please no more morons who claim BJ Armstrong was a borderline Superstar :lol

[Manny98]

https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/u-g-F7S2UQ0.jpg
He didn't win a championship so he doesn't even qualify :oldlol:

[305Baller]

hahahaha

branvestites always shitting on neegas to prop up their god


cocksuckin faggg gots

[Manny98]

What does LeBron have to do with Chalmers and Paxson?

Are you sure you even know what "moving the goalposts" even means :roll:

I'll take this lack of an argument as your concession though. NEXT!



Still waiting

Please no more morons who claim BJ Armstrong was a borderline Superstar :lol
Um I just proved that Paxson is better than Chalmers on the last page dummy

Your only half decent argument is using a metric which proves that LeBron is better than MJ which completely goes against your pro Jordan agenda so you have lost

https://nbamath.com/progressive-goat-rankings/

[BarberSchool]

He didn't win a championship so he doesn't even qualify :oldlol:Jokes on you kid.

The findings in the multi-million dollar investigation,
which caused the NBA owners union to threaten a forced sale of Marc Cuban's Mavericks Franchise,
if the investigation's findings were EVER published .....
citing that the findings would destroy the credibility of not just officials,
not just one or two franchises, but the entire validity of the entire league ......

..... says otherwise.

https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/u-g-F7S2UQ0.jpg

[DoctorP]

Chalmers was a legit starting point guard.

In fact, he was probably more clutch than LeBron. That was one of his traits. Killer under fire. His downfall was that he was turnover prone.

[LostCause]

[QUOTE=LostCause]This thread has gone 7 pages yet no one has shown how Paxson is better than Chalmers

Let

[DoctorP]

Last call

Anyone? :djparty


Without looking at the stats I would think Paxson had a better 3pt percentage but Chalmers gave you much better defense and speed. Clutchness I'd give the edge to Chalmers but Paxson was no slouch.

[LostCause]

Without looking at the stats I would think Paxson had a better 3pt percentage but Chalmers gave you much better defense and speed. Clutchness I'd give the edge to Chalmers but Paxson was no slouch.

Yeah definitely a better 3-pt shooter

Though someone in the thread claimed Paxson was a better defender than Chalmers too and that BJ Armstrong was a borderline superstar

Thoughts?

[DoctorP]

Yeah definitely a better 3-pt shooter

Though someone in the thread claimed Paxson was a better defender than Chalmers too and that BJ Armstrong was a borderline superstar

Thoughts?

Nah, Chalmers has speed and wingspan on both of them. Neither of them were Gary Payton/Pat Beverly-type lockdown defenders, they were good but not elite. Paxson was not a good defender. Below-average to average at best. He was a 3-point specialist. He hustled hard and gave you effort and hit important shots set up by the offense.

[Manny98]

Without looking at the stats I would think Paxson had a better 3pt percentage but Chalmers gave you much better defense and speed. Clutchness I'd give the edge to Chalmers but Paxson was no slouch.
Chalmers In clutch situations...

2012 - 36.7%
2013 - 26.7%

Playoffs

2012 - 27.3%
2013 - 0% (not a typo) :roll:

What about that is clutch plz tell me :oldlol:

Paxson on the other hand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnAr4I3-Z48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nLzQN25bSE
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[DoctorP]

Chalmers In clutch situations...

2012 - 36.7%
2013 - 26.7%

Playoffs

2012 - 27.3%
2013 - 0% (not a typo) :roll:

What about that is clutch plz tell me :oldlol:

Paxson on the other hand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnAr4I3-Z48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nLzQN25bSE
:bowdown: :bowdown:

where are Paxsons stats? Just google Chalmers clutch shots. The evidence is there.

for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyCYzSrYp-k&

[305Baller]

where are Paxsons stats? Just google Chalmers clutch shots. The evidence is there.

for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyCYzSrYp-k&

Stop sucking that faggggo Chalmers dix

these people are all bums, overpaid bums!!!!


HAHAHHAAHHAHHHAHHAHAH

[Manny98]

Chalmers was a legit starting point guard.

In fact, he was probably more clutch than LeBron. That was one of his traits. Killer under fire. His downfall was that he was turnover prone.
You have to be trolling Chalmers is more clutch than LeBron as well as Paxson :roll: :roll: :roll:

[305Baller]

You have to be trolling Chalmers is more clutch than LeBron as well as Paxson :roll: :roll: :roll:


king cockersucker spends summers sucking LeBaldo Cox


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[DoctorP]

king cockersucker spends summers sucking LeBaldo Cox


ahahhhahhahhhahhhhh

yeah i guess. **** this shit.

[LostCause]

where are Paxsons stats? The evidence is there.

Uh oh

Doesn't list it on BBref. Manny going in panic mode.

[Manny98]

I can't find Paxsons clutch stats but we know Paxson has hit so many huge shots in the Bulls first 3-peat and Chalmers clutch stats are horendous so It's safe to admit the Paxson was better in clutchtime

[DoctorP]

I can't find Paxsons clutch stats but we know Paxson has hit so many huge shots in the Bulls first 3-peat and Chalmers clutch stats are horendous so It's safe to admit the Paxson was better in clutchtime

yeah, emotional opinions with no evidence. safe bet. sure buddy.

:biggums:

[Manny98]

yeah, emotional opinions with no evidence. safe bet. sure buddy.

:biggums:
I just showed you evidence that Chalmers was not clutch AT ALL

Whilst Paxson has a reputation of being one of the most clutch role players ever

Also you literally just stated that Chalmers was more clutch than LeBron with absolutely zero evidence to go on so yeah don't talk to me about "no evidence" mate

[paksat]

paxson


idiot.

[DoctorP]

I just showed you evidence that Chalmers was not clutch AT ALL

Whilst Paxson has a reputation of being one of the most clutch role players ever

Also you literally just stated that Chalmers was more clutch than LeBron with absolutely zero evidence to go on so yeah don't talk to me about "no evidence" mate

i dont know how to use the nba.com thing but compare lebron vs chalmers under 2 minutes in close games and post the link

[BarberSchool]

Links at 0:46

Paxson literally carried the Bulls to their first title in these epic clutch 4th quarters in 1991.

https://youtu.be/7nLzQN25bSE?t=46

[Manny98]

Links at 0:46

Paxson literally carried the Bulls to their first title in these epic clutch 4th quarters in 1991.

https://youtu.be/7nLzQN25bSE?t=46
Damm Paxson completely took over down the stretch :eek:

10 of the last 12 :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Manny98]

i dont know how to use the nba.com thing but compare lebron vs chalmers under 2 minutes in close games and post the link
Regular season in clutch

2012

LeBron - 3.5ppg off 45%
Wade - 2.8ppg off 42%
Chalmers - 1.3 ppg off 36%

https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612748

2013

LeBron - 3.7ppg off 44%
Wade - 2.5ppg off 50%
Chalmers - 0.6 ppg off 27%



https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612748

Playoffs clutch

2012

LeBron - 3.7ppg off 37%
Wade - 2.7ppg off 41%
Chalmers 0.9ppg off 27%
https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&TeamID=1610612748

2013

LeBron 4.1 ppg off 44%
Wade 1.8ppg off 47%
Chalmers - 0ppg off 0%
https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&TeamID=1610612748

[Smoke117]

There have been plenty of pg's on championship teams that were worse than Chalmers.

[BarberSchool]

Damm Paxson completely took over down the stretch :eek:

10 of the last 12 :bowdown: :bowdown:It wasn't just the closeout game either. he had several epic 4th quarters where he just couldn't miss.

Lakers really paid the price for helping/doubling michael, and michael would be super agreesive, but alwas yunder control, and would always SEE what defenses did, and make the right decision, and put the ball right where it needed to be. In that lakers series, it was going to paxson every time they sagged off him.

[LostCause]

Let's not let this thread get buried. We have these gems


BJ Armstrong was a legit borderline superstar f*ck outta here


Paxson averaged 11 assists per 36 his rookie season.

However on the Bulls he was reduced into a spot up shooter so we never got to see Paxson fufill his full potential


Nope Paxson was a better defender (Than Chalmers)

Resident moron Manny98 never fails to deliver. Let's keep it going

[Manny98]

Let's not let this thread get buried. We have these gems







Resident moron Manny98 never fails to deliver. Let's keep it going
You realize i was being sarcastic in calling BJ Armstrong a borderline superstar in response to someone saying that Chalmers was better than BJ

[warriorfan]

You realize i was being sarcastic in calling BJ Armstrong a borderline superstar in response to someone saying that Chalmers was better than BJ

From your prior posting history no one picked up on the supposed sarcasm, it was par for the course.

[Turbo Slayer]

LeGOAT too much manny98 you the king my bois

[insidehoops]

:lol

[Manny98]

:lol
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[LeCola]

2010 Derek Fisher
2009 Derek Fisher
2002 Derek Fisher
2001 Derek Fisher

1995 Kenny Smith
1994 Kenny Smith

1991 John Paxson
1992 John Paxson
1993 John Paxson

1984 Gerald Henderson