How far would the Warriors get if they had to play honest ball against the 1995-96 Bulls?

[72-10]

or the 86 Celtics or 87 Lakers, for that matter.

[Smoke117]

This Warriors team isn't that good. Neither was last years. They basically only got to the finals because Paul got injured. You should keep this to the 2017 Warriors team. Either way, the 86 celtics are the greatest team of all time...not the 96 bulls.

[3ball]

Curry/Klay can barely dunk

They would get destroyed without the 3-point line to give them an extra point on shots.. Durant made them a legit championship team (they only won in 15' because kyrie was hurt..... and love)

If Curry/Klay walked by a playground where Kareem, Moses, MJ, King and Penny were playing "21" with no threes, they'd just keep walking - they wouldn't belong or be able to compete

[NBAGOAT]

what the hell do u mean by honest ball? like dray isnt allowed to poke mj in the eyes lol or they just arent allowed to chuck over like 30 3's?

[bigkingsfan]

Curry/Klay can barely dunk

They would get destroyed without the 3-point line to give them an extra point on shots.. Durant made them a legit championship team (they only won in 15' because kyrie was hurt..... and love)

If they walked by a playground where Kareem, Moses, MJ, King and Penny were playing "21" with no threes, they'd just keep walking - they wouldn't belong or be able to compete
Neither could dumars/isiah, they beat MJ three times straight.

[72-10]

It's Hard To Say What I Mean What Things Do You Think I Mean.

[3ball]

Neither could dumars/isiah, they beat MJ three times straight.
"they" beat MJ

MJ was going 1 on 5

Of course, Isiah was an elite athlete and far superior to curry/klay

[ImKobe]

This Warriors team isn't that good. Neither was last years. They basically only got to the finals because Paul got injured. You should keep this to the 2017 Warriors team. Either way, the 86 celtics are the greatest team of all time...not the 96 bulls.

Agree with this post in a sense that RS record doesn't determine the "greatest team". The greatest teams faced other great teams/players in the Playoffs and won. 2015 & 2017 Warriors didn't really face anyone good in the Playoffs to even call them the greatest team. They ran through an injured Western Conference and played a much weaker team in the Finals.

[72-10]

I'm quite confident the Bulls would win, particularly given the rules by which they played. Not to mention, who's beating a defense with armspans of 6-11 Jordan, 7-0 Harper, 7-3 Pippen, plus Rodman.

[NBAGOAT]

It's Hard To Say What I Mean What Things Do You Think I Mean.

well if they're playing on a truly fair level(like a mind wipe situations where they know none of the modern analytics), they're in trouble but still maybe the 2nd best team in 96 and 86. the 2017 team I'm not as sure however even if I lean no. That team was really good. Pretty much everyone but KD was better on that team and they had a few more useful bench pieces

[bigkingsfan]

"they" beat MJ

MJ was going 1 on 5

Of course, Isiah was an elite athlete and far superior to curry/klay
Change that goalpost

"Curry/Klay can barely dunk"

[paksat]

this warriors team is having massive issues with a houston team that don't even really play "basketball"

they just fish for fouls

they've never really looked unbeatable, it's just that the competition is so bad that it is what it is

westbrick and durant should have beaten them a few years ago

[NBAGOAT]

this warriors team is having massive issues with a houston team that don't even really play "basketball"

they just fish for fouls

they've never really looked unbeatable, it's just that the competition is so bad that it is what it is

westbrick and durant should have beaten them a few years ago

... that's a completely different team from this core however. Also why are we acting like durant/westbrook wasnt an elite duo back then lol. Fishing for fouls is cheap but super effective(no play is more efficient than getting fouled on a 3pt attempt)

[ArbitraryWater]

Agree with this post in a sense that RS record doesn't determine the "greatest team". The greatest teams faced other great teams/players in the Playoffs and won. 2015 & 2017 Warriors didn't really face anyone good in the Playoffs to even call them the greatest team. They ran through an injured Western Conference and played a much weaker team in the Finals.

2017 GSW faced a better team than '86 Celtics, '96 Bulls or '01 Lakers ever did, thats for sure.

[1987_Lakers]

Curry/Klay can barely dunk

They would get destroyed without the 3-point line to give them an extra point on shots.. Durant made them a legit championship team (they only won in 15' because kyrie was hurt..... and love)

If Curry/Klay walked by a playground where Kareem, Moses, MJ, King and Penny were playing "21" with no threes, they'd just keep walking - they wouldn't belong or be able to compete


Neither could dumars/isiah, they beat MJ three times straight.


Not only that, DJ & Ainge didn't dunk at all for the Celtics, yet they swept MJ twice. :oldlol:

3 ball using the "they can't dunk" argument just shows how dumb he is.

[ArbitraryWater]

this warriors team is having massive issues with a houston team that don't even really play "basketball"

they just fish for fouls

they've never really looked unbeatable, it's just that the competition is so bad that it is what it is

westbrick and durant should have beaten them a few years ago

what a load of bs

even these 18, 19 warriors which are beatable (only by the rockets, that is, an all time team) are still the best team of the decade

[paksat]

... that's a completely different team from this core however. Also why are we acting like durant/westbrook wasnt an elite duo back then lol. Fishing for fouls is cheap but super effective(no play is more efficient than getting fouled on a 3pt attempt)

can't be the GOAT team or even close if you almost get rolled like that even IF westbrick/durant were an elite duo

they certainly weren't that elite, how many rings did they gather while playing together?

regardless.. you can't count on curry when the pressure is on, that leaves KD basically doing everything on his own ( kinda like what he's been doing actually.. )

let's not forget this "same" team basically lost to two people in l39ron and kyrie.

[paksat]

what a load of bs

even these 18, 19 warriors which are beatable (only by the rockets, that is, an all time team) are still the best team of the decade

oh yeah.. with you guys they're all ALL TIME teams, especially if l39ron lost to them

[1987_Lakers]

Agree with this post in a sense that RS record doesn't determine the "greatest team". The greatest teams faced other great teams/players in the Playoffs and won. 2015 & 2017 Warriors didn't really face anyone good in the Playoffs to even call them the greatest team. They ran through an injured Western Conference and played a much weaker team in the Finals.

2017 Cavs are better than any Finals team MJ went up against.

[3ball]

2017 Cavs are better than any Finals team MJ went up against.
Clippers took 2 games off the Durant Warriors

Harden beat them last year if not for injury

MJ would destroy these soft-ass Warriors because he was the most unbeatable player in history when he had the minimal help that everyone needs to win - he never lost with a 1 or 2 seed (6-0), while everyone else did (Kareem lost 9 times, bird/lebron/magic 6+ times each)

So MJ was the most unbeatable player ever, aka goat

[1987_Lakers]

Clippers took 2 games off the Durant Warriors

Harden beat them last year if not for injury

MJ would destroy these soft-ass Warriors because he was the most unbeatable player in history when he had the minimal help that everyone needs to win - he never lost with a 1 or 2 seed (6-0), while everyone else did (Kareem lost 9 times, bird/lebron/magic 6+ times each)

So MJ was the most unbeatable player ever, aka goat

And the Pacers who's best player was Reggie Miller aka the modern day Klay took MJ and the Bulls to 7 games in 1998. :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

can't be the GOAT team or even close if you almost get rolled like that even IF westbrick/durant were an elite duo

they certainly weren't that elite, how many rings did they gather while playing together?

regardless.. you can't count on curry when the pressure is on, that leaves KD basically doing everything on his own ( kinda like what he's been doing actually.. )

let's not forget this "same" team basically lost to two people in l39ron and kyrie.

curry did fine more than fine in 15,17, and 18. I'm more than fine counting on him when the pressure is on. Maybe them losing to the cavs means they were pretty damn great too. Lot of great teams have basically lost to two people.

If westbrook/durant arent great, than your standards are too high. Are stockton/malone not a great duo either?

[72-10]

2017 Cavs are better than any Finals team MJ went up against.
96 Seattle was pretty deep - the whole starting lineup got double figures, and I count 6 top 300 players.

[72-10]

And the Pacers who's best player was Reggie Miller aka the modern day Klay took MJ and the Bulls to 7 games in 1998. :oldlol:
98 Bulls weren't nearly as good as 96. Old team was now tired, Pip had played in 96 Olympics, Pip was injured, Rodman missed lots of games due to his antics, Pacers were peaking with Smits, Mark Jackson and both Davises. Miller gotw away with a push.

[Soundwave]

Not only that, DJ & Ainge didn't dunk at all for the Celtics, yet they swept MJ twice. :oldlol:

3 ball using the "they can't dunk" argument just shows how dumb he is.

They beat the "early rebuild" version of the Bulls that sucked and a were led by a very young Jordan who was still earning his stripes in the league.

That's not the same as "The Bulls" that would eventually demolish the Pistons in 4 straight with Jordan as the defacto best finisher and game closer in the league. And the Pistons gave the Celtics everything they could handle and then some.

[Smoke117]

98 Bulls weren't nearly as good as 96. Old team was now tired, Pip had played in 96 Olympics, Pip was injured, Rodman missed lots of games due to his antics, Pacers were peaking with Smits, Mark Jackson and both Davises.

That 2000 Pacer team was nothing special at all. The league in 98 was really weak in general. Expansion had really thinned down the talent and all the 90s stars were basically aging out. This would pretty much continue into the early 2000s.

[3ball]

And the Pacers who's best player was Reggie Miller aka the modern day Klay took MJ and the Bulls to 7 games in 1998. :oldlol:
Pacers were great at playing that brand of ball (mostly 2-pointers) and would blow out the Warriors by record amount under that format

Infact, an average 90's team would blow away the Warriors under that format

[Soundwave]

And the Pacers who's best player was Reggie Miller aka the modern day Klay took MJ and the Bulls to 7 games in 1998. :oldlol:

They took a gassed, old version of the Bulls to 7.

The third championship of a threepeat is an incredibly physically taxing, now factoring in the Bulls were already an old team.

And the Pacers were a decent squad too. OK Reggie = Klay if you want, but Rik Smith, the Davis brothers, Mark Jackson, and Jalen Rose were all good players.

It's not like it was "Reggie Miller + scrubs".

[NBAGOAT]

They beat the "early rebuild" version of the Bulls that sucked and a were led by a very young Jordan who was still earning his stripes in the league.

That's not the same as "The Bulls" that would eventually demolish the Pistons in 4 straight with Jordan as the defacto best finisher and game closer in the league. And the Pistons gave the Celtics everything they could handle and then some.

you cite "not the same as the Bulls" and then act like the 91 Pistons were the same as their 80s teams either(yes even 87). They did beat Boston tbf... who were old and had a hobbled Bird at the end of his career. Come on now.

[Soundwave]

I don't think the Bulls would "destroy" the Warriors or anything crazy like that.

If they played each other like 4 or 5 series' I could see the Bulls winning maybe 3 and the Warriors winning 2.

The issue with the Warriors is I think Steph and Klay can be taken out of their games and mentally rattled.

KD not so much, but if you can rattle Steph and Klay, the door definitely starts to open to beating them.

Steph, while a great player, also does some mind bogglingly stupid things when things are not going his way. And Rodman would make Draymond lose his damn mind.

Mentally the Warriors are not as tough as the Bulls, not close. They may have more talent up and down the roster, but so did probably the 1996 Magic and that's didn't end so well for them.

[dazzer87]

2017 GSW faced a better team than '86 Celtics, '96 Bulls or '01 Lakers ever did, thats for sure.
how would you know? didnt you start watching bball like 10 years ago?

[72-10]

That 2000 Pacer team was nothing special at all. The league in 98 was really weak in general. Expansion had really thinned down the talent and all the 90s stars were basically aging out. This would pretty much continue into the early 2000s.
oh wow team's offenses were so stagnant as inferior players tried to emulate MJ's style of isolation play and the streetball style that AI brought to the league. The West had the Jailblazers, Kings, but mostly it was the Shaq Attack.

[NBAGOAT]

oh wow team's offenses were so stagnant as inferior players tried to emulate MJ's style of isolation play and the streetball style that AI brought to the league. The West had the Jailblazers, Kings, but mostly it was the Shaq Attack.

the big 3 mavs may have been the most talented. They were just a sieve on defense. Milwaukee was very good for just a year, kind of overlooked. They didnt play that isolation style either

[Bronbron23]

Bulls would win but it be a good series. Bulls defence would be to much for the warriors. The rockets the last couple of years have caused problems for warriors mostly with there defence funny enough. The bulls were much better defensively than Houston. They could go with a small ball defensive death lineup of pip, rod, harper, mj and toni that would give the warriors alot of trouble. Pip would keep kd under 30. Mj would shut down Klay and Steph would get his but he'd be his normal sub par finals self. Bulls in 6

[1987_Lakers]

98 Bulls weren't nearly as good as 96. Old team was now tired, Pip had played in 96 Olympics, Pip was injured, Rodman missed lots of games due to his antics, Pacers were peaking with Smits, Mark Jackson and both Davises. Miller gotw away with a push.

And the current Warriors aren't nearly as good as they were in 2017. When I think MJ's Bulls vs the Durant-Curry Warriors I think it's best to compare the versions where they were at their very best.

[1987_Lakers]

Bulls would win but it be a good series. Bulls defence would be to much for the warriors. The rockets the last couple of years have caused problems for warriors mostly with there defence funny enough. The bulls were much better defensively than Houston. They could go with a small ball defensive death lineup of pip, rod, harper, mj and toni that would give the warriors alot of trouble. Pip would keep kd under 30. Mj would shut down Klay and Steph would get his but he'd be his normal sub par finals self. Bulls in 6

Bulls can't hit threes, that would be their downfall. I said it in another thread, the Bulls would be an outdated team if you put them in the modern era, no spacing, no 3 point shooting besides Kerr.

It's one of the reasons why Phil Jackson got canned in New York, he thought the league was still in 1996, when in fact the league had already evolved without him knowing.

[Bronbron23]

Bulls can't hit threes, that would be their downfall. I said it in another thread, the Bulls would be an outdated team if you put them in the modern era, no spacing, no 3 point shooting besides Kerr.

It's one of the reasons why Phil Jackson got canned in New York, he thought the league was still in 1996, when in fact the league had already evolved without him knowing.
Again they would win with there defence. In the games that Houston won last year before cp got hurt they held the rockets to very low scores. I think they only had one game above 100. In 2016 when the warriors lost to Cleveland it was the same thing. Warriors probably averaged low 90's in the losses.

The bulls were much better than both of those teams defensively. they could easily hold the warriors to 85-95 points for the majority of the games.

And no the triangle didn't work in New York but you still have to have the players for it to be successful. The triangle would totally work if you had Kobe and Shaq or mj and pip. Almost any system will work when you have players like thag

[StrongLurk]

96 Bulls wouldn't even beat the 15 Warriors...

[1987_Lakers]

Again they would win with there defence. In the games that Houston won last year before cp got hurt they held the rockets to very low scores. I think they only had one game above 100.

You are only using a 2 game sample, in games 1 & 3 (When Warriors had Iggy), the Warriors dropped 119 points and 126 points.


And the 2018 Warriors weren't nearly as good as their 2017 version.

[Bronbron23]

You are only using a 2 game sample, in games 1 & 3 (When Warriors had Iggy), the Warriors dropped 119 points and 126 points.


And the 2018 Warriors weren't nearly as good as their 2017 version.
What about 2016? Most warrior fans claim this team led by Steph to be just as good as the current one.

[72-10]

And the current Warriors aren't nearly as good as they were in 2017. When I think MJ's Bulls vs the Durant-Curry Warriors I think it's best to compare the versions where they were at their very best.
wow... they're over. BTW the 96 Bulls probably fielded the tallest starting five of all time.

[1987_Lakers]

wow... they're over. BTW the 96 Bulls probably fielded the tallest starting five of all time.

Remember when you thought the NBA had a short 3 point line for only 2 seasons during the 90's? :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Neither could dumars/isiah, they beat MJ three times straight.

Body bagged :lol

[TheCorporation]

Remember when you thought the NBA had a short 3 point line for only 2 seasons during the 90's? :oldlol:

Yikes how did he not know this :lol

[bigkingsfan]

wow... they're over. BTW the 96 Bulls probably fielded the tallest starting five of all time.
WTF? They weren't even taller than the Magic. Rodman is undersized.

[FKAri]

They'd destroy the Celtics. Awful matchup for the Celtics.
I'd have to think about the Lakers. First thought is Warriors win. Shaq/Kobe Lakers have a better shot either way.
Bulls series hinges on level of physical play allowed on the perimeter. It can swing pretty hard in both directions.

[TheCorporation]

They'd destroy the Celtics. Awful matchup for the Celtics.
I'd have to think about the Lakers.
Bulls series hinges on level of physical play allowed on the perimeter. It can swing pretty hard in both directions.

Agreed on all three accounts

FKAri with yet another High IQ post. I guess that's just ONE of the benefits of being in TheFam :pimp:

[72-10]

WTF? They weren't even taller than the Magic. Rodman is undersized.
ah yes, HTF they'd sweep the Magic. If you know of other lineups with that kind of height, I'd love to hear.

[72-10]

They'd destroy the Celtics. Awful matchup for the Celtics.
I'd have to think about the Lakers. First thought is Warriors win. Shaq/Kobe Lakers have a better shot either way.
Bulls series hinges on level of physical play allowed on the perimeter. It can swing pretty hard in both directions.
The Celtics are taller, have 7 guys averaging double figures, one of the best passing teams, and the Lakers could run on them. The Bulls, who were the league's best team on both offense and defense, would actually beat them.

[FKAri]

The Celtics are taller, have 7 guys averaging double figures, one of the best passing teams, and the Lakers could run on them. The Bulls, who were the league's best team on both offense and defense, would actually beat them.
I still think the Celtics get worked. That was my team growing up. I actually watched them. The Warriors is their worst nightmare. Bulls won't do shit if they call a foul each time they try to get physical. But it's up to your interpretation of "honest ball".

[1987_Lakers]

ah yes, HTF they'd sweep the Magic. If you know of other lineups with that kind of height, I'd love to hear.

Horace Grant got injured.

[72-10]

I still think the Celtics get worked. That was my team growing up. I actually watched them. The Warriors is their worst nightmare. Bulls won't do shit if they call a foul each time they try to get physical. But it's up to your interpretation of "honest ball".

Very funny, Fkari. Would love to see them stymied by the Bulls' physical perimeter defense.

[72-10]

Horace Grant got injured.

Those who followed Grant's career seem to agree that he peaked in 94-95.

[Stringer Bell]

It all depends on what rules they are playing under.

The Celtics of 86

[BigShotBob]

lol at "honest ball."

What does that even mean?

[Elosha]

Horace Grant got injured.

Yes, he did. Could he have been enough to give the Magic one win in the series? I doubt it, but we'll never know. I'll point out that the Bulls were utterly destroying the Magic in game 1 when Grant got hurt late in the second half. His play didn't seem to bother the Bulls at all.

I like Grant, always have. He's more than a role player but not really an All Star either. More like a major glue guy when he was playing his best. Great for the Bulls first championship run.