Jordan, Bryant, James, Durant in the last 24 seconds in the playoffs (detailed)

[ArbitraryWater]

Game on the Line

Michael Jordan:

1985 ECQF vs. Milwaukee Bucks Game 3: Jordan makes a game winning shot with 22 seconds left in regulation
1986 ECQF vs. Boston Celtics Game 2: Jordan misses a game winning shot with 4 seconds left in overtime
1989 ECQF vs. Cleveland Cavaliers Game 4: Jordan misses a game winning shot with 2 seconds left in regulation
1989 ECQF vs. Cleveland Cavaliers Game 5: Jordan makes a game winning shot with 6 seconds left in regulation
1989 ECQF vs. Cleveland Cavaliers Game 5: Jordan makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
1989 ECF vs. Detroit Pistons Game 3: Jordan makes a game winning shot with 3 seconds left in regulation
1991 Finals vs. Los Angeles Lakers Game 1: Jordan misses a game winning shot with 6 seconds left in regulation
1991 Finals vs. Los Angeles Lakers Game 3: Jordan makes a game tying shot with 3 seconds left in regulation
1992 Finals vs. Portland Trail Blazers Game 2: Jordan misses a game winning shot with 2 seconds left in regulation
1993 ECSF vs. Cleveland Cavaliers Game 4: Jordan makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
1996 ECSF vs. New York Knicks Game 3: Jordan makes a game tying shot with 19 seconds left in regulation
1996 ECSF vs. New York Knicks Game 3: Jordan misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
1997 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 3: Jordan misses a game winning shot with 11 seconds left in regulation
1997 Finals vs. Utah Jazz Game 1: Jordan makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
1997 Finals vs. Utah Jazz Game 4: Jordan misses a game tying shot with 10 seconds left in regulation
1998 ECF vs. Indiana Pacers Game 4: Jordan misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
1998 Finals vs. Utah Jazz Game 5: Jordan missess a game winning shot at the end of regulation
1998 Finals vs. Utah Jazz Game 6: Jordan makes a game winning shot win 5 seconds left in regulation

Michael Jordan is 9/18 50%

Kobe Bryant:

-1997 WCSF vs. Utah Jazz Game 5: Bryant misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
-1997 WCSF vs. Utah Jazz Game 5: Bryant misses a game tying shot with 4 seconds left in overtime
-1999 WCSF vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 2: Bryant misses a game tying shot at the end of regulation.
-2000 WCSF vs. Phoenix Suns Game 2: Bryant makes a game winning shot with 2 seconds left.
-2001 Finals vs. Philadelphia 76ers Game 1: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 20 seconds left.
- 2002 WCSF vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 4: Bryant makes a game winning shot with 5.1 seconds left.
-2002 WCF vs. Sacramento Kings Game 4: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 3.3 seconds left.
-2002 WCF vs. Sacramento Kings Game 5: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 0.4 seconds left.
-2002 WCF vs. Sacramento Kings Game 7: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 2.7 seconds left.
-2003 WCQF vs. Minnesota Timberwolves Game 3: Bryant misses a game winning shot in OT with 2.6 seconds left.
-2003 WCQF vs. Minnesota Timberwolves Game 3: Bryant misses a game tying shot in OT with 13.4 seconds left.
-2003 WCSF vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 1: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 11.8 seconds left.
-2004 WCQF vs. Houston Rockets Game 1: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 17.9 seconds left.
-2004 WCQF vs. Houston Rockets Game 4: Bryant misses a game winning shot at the buzzer.
-2004 WCSF vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 5: Bryant makes a game winning shot with 11.9 seconds left.
-2004 Finals vs. Detroit Pistons Game 2: Bryant makes game tying shot with 2.1 seconds left.
-2006 WCQF vs. Phoenix Suns Game 4: Bryant makes a game tying shot with 0.2 seconds left.
-2006 WCQF vs. Phoenix Suns Game 4: Bryant makes a game winning shot at the buzzer in OT.
-2006 WCQF vs. Phoenix Suns Game 6: Bryant misses a game winning shot at the buzzer.
-2008 WCSF vs. Utah Jazz Game 4: Bryant misses a game tying shot with 5.6 seconds left.
-2008 WCF vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 1: Bryant makes a game winning shot with 23.9 seconds left.
-2009 WCQF vs. Utah Jazz Game 3: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 1.2 seconds left.
-2009 Finals vs. Orlando Magic Game 2: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 1.8 seconds left.
-2010 WCQF vs. Oklahoma City Thunder Game 6: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 1.8 seconds left.
-2010 WCF vs. Phoenix Suns Game 5: Bryant misses a game winning shot with 2.5 seconds left.
-2011 WCSF vs. Dallas Mavericks Game 1: Bryant misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation.
-2012 WCQF vs. Denver Nuggets Game 5: Bryant misses a game tying shot with 21 seconds left.
-2012 WCQF vs. Denver Nuggets Game 5: Bryant misses a game tying shot with 5 seconds left.
-2012 WCSF vs. Oklahoma City Thunder Game 4: Bryant misses a game tying shot with 9.9 seconds left.

Kobe Bryant is 7-29 24%

LeBron James:

2006 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 3: James makes a game winning shot with 5 seconds left
2006 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 5: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2006 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 5: James makes a game winning shot with 3 seconds left in OT
2007 ECQF vs. Detroit Pistons Game 2: James misses a game winning shot with 7 seconds left in regulation
2007 ECF vs. Detroit Pistons Game 5: James makes a game tying shot with 9 seconds left in regulation
2007 ECF vs. Detroit Pistons Game 5: James makes a game winning shot with 2 seconds left in 2OT.
2007 Finals vs. San Antonion Spurs Game 3: James misses a game tying shot with 1 second left in regulation
2008 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 5: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2008 ECSF vs. Boston Celtics Game 1: James misses a game tying shot with 9 seconds left in regulation
2009 ECF vs. Orlando Magic Game 2: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2009 ECF vs. Orlando Magic Game 4: James misses a game winning shot at the end of OT
2011 ECQF vs. Philadelphia 76ers Game 4: James misses a game tying shot with 3 seconds left in regulation
2012 ECF vs. Boston Celtics Game 2: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2013 ECF vs. Indiana Pacers Game 1: James makes a game winning shot with 10.8 seconds left in OT
2013 ECF vs. Indiana Pacers Game 1: James makes a game winning shot at the end of OT
2013 Finals vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 6: James misses a game tying shot with 7 seconds left in regulation
2015 ECSF vs. Chicago Bulls Game 4: James misses a game winning shot with 2 seconds left in regulation
2015 ECSF vs. Chicago Bulls Game 4: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2015 Finals vs. Golden State Warriors Game 1: James misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left in regulation
2015 Finals vs. Golden State Warriors Game 2: James misses a game winning shot with 1.5 seconds left in regulation
2017 Finals vs.Golden State Warriors Game 3: James misses a game tying shot with 12 seconds left in regulation
2018 ECQF vs. Indiana Pacers Game 5: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2018 ECSF vs. Toronto Raptors Game 1: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2018 ECSF vs. Toronto Raptors Game 3: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation

LeBron James is 10/22 46%

part 1/2 *cont

[ArbitraryWater]

part 2/2 *cont

Kevin Durant


2010 WCQF v.s. Los Angeles Lakers Game 2: Durant misses a game winning shot with 7.9 seconds left in regulation
2011 WCSF v.s. Memphis Grizzlies Game 3: Durant misses a game winning shot with 5.9 seconds left in regulation
2011 WCSF v.s. Memphis Grizzlies Game 3: Durant misses a game winning shot with 1 second left in overtime
2011 WCF v.s. Dallas Mavericks Game 4: Durant misses a game winning shot with 1.9 seconds left in regulation
2012 WCQF v.s. Dallas Mavericks Game 1: Durant makes a game winning shot with 1.5 seconds left in regulation
2012 WCSF v.s. Los Angeles Lakers Game 2: Durant makes a game winning shot with 18.6 seconds left in regulation
2012 WCSF vs. Los Angeles Lakers Game 3: Durant misses a game tying shot with 4.7 seconds left in regulation
2012 WCSF vs. Los Angeles Lakers Game 4: Durant makes a game winning shot with 13.7 seconds left in regulation
2012 Finals vs. Miami Heat Game 2: Durant misses a game tying shot with 9.9 seconds left in regulation
2013 WCSF vs. Memphis Grizzlies Game 1: Durant makes a game winning shot with 9.9 seconds left in regulation
2013 WCSF vs. Memphis Grizzlies Game 4: Durant makes a game tying shot with 6.4 seconds left in regulation
2013 WCSF vs. Memphis Grizzlies Game 5: Durant misses a game tying shot with 4.9 seconds left in regulation
2014 WCQF vs. Memphis Grizzlies Game 3: Durant misses a game winning shot with 1 second left in regulation
2014 WCQF vs. Memphis Grizzlies Game 3: Durant misses a game tying shot with 22 seconds left in overtime
2014 WCQF vs. Memphis Grizzlies Game 5: Durant misses a game winning shot with 1 second left in overtime
2014 WCF vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 6: Durant misses a game tying shot with 17 seconds left in overtime
2016 WCQF vs. Dallas Mavericks Game 2: Durant misses a game winning shot with 20 seconds left in regulation
2016 WCQF vs. Dallas Mavericks Game 2: Durant misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left in regulation
2019 WCSF vs. Houston Rockets Game 3: Durant misses a game winning shot with 19 seconds left in regulation
2019 WCSF vs. Houston Rockets Game 3: Durant misses a game tying shot with 8 seconds left in regulation

Kevin Durant is 5/20 25%



Additional notes and observations:

Jordan's 9/18 rate, among all players with the available data, is the best in NBA history, next closest is Ray Allen, 7/14, also 50% but with less makes/attempts.

Most of James' misses are from pre-emptive lowest of the low percentage situations. His 3 latest misses: 2018 vs. Toronto, a second left and a turnaround fadeaway off the inbound. 2017 vs. Golden Stae, down 3, a situation in which everyone knows what shot will be taken. 2015 vs. Golden State, fouled at the rim but no call.

When he gets the ball in hands to run his play, he's above 50% (!!).

[ArbitraryWater]

It's not always this cut and dry, but in this case you have 2 mentally strong individuals (Jordan, James) hovering around the 50% mark (!), and 2 mentally weak individuals (Bryant, Durant) hovering around the 25% mark (!).

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQQp7IKbUoQ

[3ball]

You didn't include game-winning FT's, game-tying shots, or overall stats in the closing minutes of close games

If you include all this data, MJ has a much bigger lead on everyone

And only MJ hit game-winners in the championship (compared to lebron and Kobe)

[ArbitraryWater]

You didn't include game-winning FT's, game-tying shots, or overall stats in the closing minutes of close games

If you include all this data, MJ has a much bigger lead on everyone

And only MJ hit game-winners in the championship (compared to lebron and Kobe)

i did

if you want ft's, mj hit 2 against the c's in '86

and off the top of my head i know bron also made 2 to tie with 0.5 secs left against orlando '09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziF3AWpYE0Y

not sure much if anything is changing there.

sorry bub.

[3ball]

i did

if you want ft's, mj hit 2 against the c's in '86

and off the top of my head i know bron also made 2 to tie with 0.5 secs left against orlando '09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziF3AWpYE0Y

not sure much if anything is changing there.

sorry bub.
MJ had a lot of game-tying and go-ahead shots in the last 24 seconds - more than anyone else

There's a lot more than you listed but no one has done a definitive analysis

Except in the Finals, where only MJ has clutch shots - game-winners or tyers, and also go-aheads in the last 25 seconds I believe

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ had a lot of game-tying and go-ahead shots in the last 24 seconds - more than anyone else

There's a lot more than you listed but no one has done a definitive analysis

Except in the Finals, where only MJ has clutch shots - game-winners or tyers, and also go-aheads in the last 25 seconds I believe

sorry, these are all

[NBASTATMAN]

It's not always this cut and dry, but in this case you have 2 mentally strong individuals (Jordan, James) hovering around the 50% mark (!), and 2 mentally weak individuals (Bryant, Durant) hovering around the 25% mark (!).


you nailed it .. :applause:

[SpaceJam2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQQp7IKbUoQ

:lol :lol

[ballinhun8]

Kobe's not mentally weak.


If LeBron had half his instinct he'd definitely have more than 3 titles.



Hell, if LeBron had Bird's killer instinct he'd have more than 3.

[RRR3]

Killah Instink!

[bigkingsfan]

There's a lot more than you listed but no one has done a definitive analysis

You don't need to, you just type in the criteria and the computer spits out the answer.

[SpaceJam2]

It's not always this cut and dry, but in this case you have 2 mentally strong individuals (Jordan, James) hovering around the 50% mark (!), and 2 mentally weak individuals (Bryant, Durant) hovering around the 25% mark (!).

High IQ post, AGREED :applause:

3ball is a lunatic that thinks LeBron is not even top 20

But I'm glad he has all these reminders to show him that

Bron > Mike

[FKAri]

sorry, these are all
There's NO WAY these are all of them! What about that time when... you know that time that, or hey what about that fadeaway vs the, uh, shit I forget the name but you know. That BIG shot.

[3ball]

You don't need to, you just type in the criteria and the computer spits out the answer.
Ok but no one has done it for:

game winners AND game-tie'ers or go-ahead shots in the last 25 seconds, including FT's

If they did, MJ crushes everyone, especially in the Finals, where only MJ consistently did the above..

Infact, I don't think lebron or Kobe have any of that in the Finals, which is kind f amazing in itself

[stalkerforlife]

24 seconds? LeYikes...

"Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs...

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation
His free throw shooting is 49/67
True Shooting is, 49.8%
Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
His free throw shooting is 67/79
His true shooting is 58 %
Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes, margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 10/14
His true shooting is 31%
Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 4/5
His true shooting is 56.4%
Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes, margin of 5...

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
32% EFG
43% TS.
Assists per 36: 4.26
TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
46% EFG
53% TS.
Assists per 36: 3.6
TO per 36: 1.08

[3ball]

24 seconds? LeYikes...

"Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs...

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation
His free throw shooting is 49/67
True Shooting is, 49.8%
Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
His free throw shooting is 67/79
His true shooting is 58 %
Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes, margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 10/14
His true shooting is 31%
Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 4/5
His true shooting is 56.4%
Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes, margin of 5...

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
32% EFG
43% TS.
Assists per 36: 4.26
TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
46% EFG
53% TS.
Assists per 36: 3.6
TO per 36: 1.08
Holy crap, see this is what I'm talking about - the media has covered up for Lebron by only mentioning game-winners, when the overall clutch stats show that he's shit in the clutch!!!!

The guy is a fraud, not clutch, and a choker.. he always needed a stud closer teammate to win.. and even then he mostly loses because he himself sucks in the clutch

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Ok but no one has done it for:

game winners AND game-tie'ers or go-ahead shots in the last 25 seconds, including FT's

If they did, MJ crushes everyone, especially in the Finals, where only MJ consistently did the above..

Infact, I don't think lebron or Kobe have any of that in the Finals, which is kind f amazing in itself

So the OP's criteria is only game-winners?

Seems arbitrary, oh sweet fukk that's a pun, to leave that stuff out. Especially freethrows but we all know what that's about :oldlol:

Mike and Kobe led/were also a part of the greatest teams ever. Many of their signature games didn't need a "game-winner". They put the fire out early.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

24 seconds? LeYikes...

"Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs...

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation
His free throw shooting is 49/67
True Shooting is, 49.8%
Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
His free throw shooting is 67/79
His true shooting is 58 %
Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes, margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 10/14
His true shooting is 31%
Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 4/5
His true shooting is 56.4%
Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes, margin of 5...

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
32% EFG
43% TS.
Assists per 36: 4.26
TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
46% EFG
53% TS.
Assists per 36: 3.6
TO per 36: 1.08

This is legit?

:biggums: :oldlol: :eek:

[3ball]

So the OP's criteria is only game-winners?

Seems arbitrary, oh sweet fukk that's a pun, to leave that stuff out. Especially freethrows but we all know what that's about :oldlol:

Mike and Kobe led/were also a part of the greatest teams ever. Many of their signature games didn't need a "game-winner". They put the fire out early.
Great point

[stalkerforlife]

Holy crap, see this is what I'm talking about - the media has covered up for Lebron by only mentioning game-winners, when the overall clutch stats show that he's shit in the clutch!!!!

The guy is a fraud, not clutch, and a choker.. he always needed a stud closer teammate to win.. and even then he mostly loses because he himself sucks in the clutch

They've come up with arbitrary time frames for years to try and hide Bran.

But the time frames with the margin that close that I provided is REAL clutch basketball.

BS last second winners against teams in the east that didn't have a chance to win mean zilch.

[stalkerforlife]

This is legit?

:biggums: :oldlol: :eek:

Too legit to quit. :hammertime:

[Vino24]

Go-ahead attempts in final 5 seconds of 4th quartet/OT in the playoffs:
LeBron 6/10
Jordan 5/11

:eek:

[bigkingsfan]

Ok but no one has done it for:

game winners AND game-tie'ers or go-ahead shots in the last 25 seconds, including FT's

If they did, MJ crushes everyone, especially in the Finals, where only MJ consistently did the above..

Infact, I don't think lebron or Kobe have any of that in the Finals, which is kind f amazing in itself
Lebron made a FT to clinch the final. Clutch baby boi.

[stalkerforlife]

Go-ahead attempts in final 5 seconds of 4th quartet/OT in the playoffs:
LeBron 6/10
Jordan 5/11

:eek:

Weak sauce.

Another one.

[3ball]

Go-ahead attempts in final 5 seconds of 4th quartet/OT in the playoffs:
LeBron 6/10
Jordan 5/11

:eek:
"Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs...

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation
His free throw shooting is 49/67
True Shooting is, 49.8%
Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
His free throw shooting is 67/79
His true shooting is 58 %
Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes, margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 10/14
His true shooting is 31%
Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 4/5
His true shooting is 56.4%
Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes, margin of 5...

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
32% EFG
43% TS.
Assists per 36: 4.26
TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
46% EFG
53% TS.
Assists per 36: 3.6
TO per 36: 1.08 (stalkerforlife)

[Vino24]

"Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs...

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation
His free throw shooting is 49/67
True Shooting is, 49.8%
Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
His free throw shooting is 67/79
His true shooting is 58 %
Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes, margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 10/14
His true shooting is 31%
Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 4/5
His true shooting is 56.4%
Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes, margin of 5...

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
32% EFG
43% TS.
Assists per 36: 4.26
TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
46% EFG
53% TS.
Assists per 36: 3.6
TO per 36: 1.08 (stalkerforlife)
Clutch is not a definitive time. 5 seconds left of a 4th quarter/ OT is as clutch as it gets idiot

[stalkerforlife]

Clutch is not a definitive time. 5 seconds left of a 4th quarter/ OT is as clutch as it gets idiot

5 seconds is more luck than clutch.

2-5 minutes with a close margin is PLAY AFTER PLAY of clutch ability.

You HAVE to answer time and time again.

And NOT against the east with super teams that eliminated the possibility of competition.

[kennethgriffen]

saw this before signing in




LeBron James:

2006 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 3: James makes a game winning shot with 5 seconds left
2006 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 5: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2006 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 5: James makes a game winning shot with 3 seconds left in OT
2007 ECQF vs. Detroit Pistons Game 2: James misses a game winning shot with 7 seconds left in regulation
2007 ECF vs. Detroit Pistons Game 5: James makes a game tying shot with 9 seconds left in regulation
2007 ECF vs. Detroit Pistons Game 5: James makes a game winning shot with 2 seconds left in 2OT.
2007 Finals vs. San Antonion Spurs Game 3: James misses a game tying shot with 1 second left in regulation
2008 ECQF vs. Washington Wizards Game 5: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2008 ECSF vs. Boston Celtics Game 1: James misses a game tying shot with 9 seconds left in regulation
2009 ECF vs. Orlando Magic Game 2: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2009 ECF vs. Orlando Magic Game 4: James misses a game winning shot at the end of OT
2011 ECQF vs. Philadelphia 76ers Game 4: James misses a game tying shot with 3 seconds left in regulation
2012 ECF vs. Boston Celtics Game 2: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2013 ECF vs. Indiana Pacers Game 1: James makes a game winning shot with 10.8 seconds left in OT
2013 ECF vs. Indiana Pacers Game 1: James makes a game winning shot at the end of OT
2013 Finals vs. San Antonio Spurs Game 6: James misses a game tying shot with 7 seconds left in regulation
2015 ECSF vs. Chicago Bulls Game 4: James misses a game winning shot with 2 seconds left in regulation
2015 ECSF vs. Chicago Bulls Game 4: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2015 Finals vs. Golden State Warriors Game 1: James misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left in regulation
2015 Finals vs. Golden State Warriors Game 2: James misses a game winning shot with 1.5 seconds left in regulation
2017 Finals vs.Golden State Warriors Game 3: James misses a game tying shot with 12 seconds left in regulation
2018 ECQF vs. Indiana Pacers Game 5: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2018 ECSF vs. Toronto Raptors Game 1: James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2018 ECSF vs. Toronto Raptors Game 3: James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation

LeBron James is 10/22 46%

part 1/2 *cont




notice how lebron misses nearly every single time vs good teams and literally every other game make or miss is against trash



i count 2 good clutch shots vs a good team ( detroit )

[Asukal]

You should include situations and plays where instead of shooting, they passed the ball. :rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

So the OP's criteria is only game-winners?

Seems arbitrary, oh sweet fukk that's a pun, to leave that stuff out. Especially freethrows but we all know what that's about :oldlol:

Mike and Kobe led/were also a part of the greatest teams ever. Many of their signature games didn't need a "game-winner". They put the fire out early.

I just told you that its not.

Its all go-ahead and game tying attempts in the final 24 seconds.

Yeah yeah, they put their teams to bed earlier :oldlol:

Cmon, make up some new shit.. they all were in trouble a lot, and Kobe has literally had more attempts here than MJ or LeBron...

why are you even trying to fight these facts?

Its a moot excercise.

Free throws doesn't change anything either. But I'll do it anyway to wipe your fake smugness and absolute ignorance off your face.

[ArbitraryWater]

Clutch is not a definitive time. 5 seconds left of a 4th quarter/ OT is as clutch as it gets idiot

5 seconds is way too small a sample size.

as are most of finals only stats.

The difference in those finals stats is that a a lot of it is '00-'02 Kobe, who barely lifted a finger through 43 mins relatively speaking, where as LeBron had to play his ass off for his teams to even be in a competing situation.

But Im not sure they're even real stats. I'll check on BR later.

[ArbitraryWater]

You should include situations and plays where instead of shooting, they passed the ball. :rolleyes:

moar requirements! moar qualifications!

until LeBron looks bad! until Kobe klutch killer looks good!

Like when MJ passed in '93 you mean? Or in '97?

[TheCorporation]

I think 10 seconds is good but either way nice post and thanks for the research OP.

For 10 seconds or less I think Curry is 2/9 and KD is 2/11 in the postseason. Bron is like 10/22 or something

[ArbitraryWater]

I think 10 seconds is good but either way nice post a d thanks for the research OP.

For 10 seconds or less I think Curry is 2/9 and KD is 2/11 in the postseason. Bron is like 10/22 or something

10 seconds is completely arbitrary, 24 has it as the team's last shot and no guarantee to get the ball back.


I'll post the 2, 3, 5 minute marks and 4th quarters later...

Kobe has been an absolutely embarrassing 4th quarter playoff performer in his life.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I just told you that its not.

Its all go-ahead and game tying attempts in the final 24 seconds.

Yeah yeah, they put their teams to bed earlier :oldlol:

Cmon, make up some new shit.. they all were in trouble a lot, and Kobe has literally had more attempts here than MJ or LeBron...

why are you even trying to fight these facts?

Its a moot excercise.

Free throws doesn't change anything either. But I'll do it anyway to wipe your fake smugness and absolute ignorance off your face.

You're squirming right now. Why do these posts come off like you're ready to shit yourself? :oldlol:

All you did was bold the game-winners and added game-tying bricks

lol

More importantly though? 2 posters just provided more comprehensive numbers. These stats show MJ and Kobe performed better in cruncthime. Well better than your hero that is.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're squirming right now. Why do these posts come off like you're ready to shit yourself? :oldlol:

All you did was bold the game-winners and added game-tying bricks

lol

More importantly though? 2 posters just provided more comprehensive numbers. These stats show MJ and Kobe performed better in cruncthime. Well better than your hero that is.

You can't be serious.

These are all game winning and game tying shots.

I didn't just add "game tying bricks". If they didnt hit many game tying shots, then they didnt hit many game tying shots. And there are game tying makes for all of them in there, dummie.

How about you try to put some proof behind your claims/assertions?

If I'd doubt something, I'd go after it. You don't seem to be that type of person.


Yeah, continue relying on one extremely narrowed window which has Bryant and James close in the clutch, and Bryant ahead, barely.

And ignore everything else. Cause everything else is biased and bad and wrong, and this is the only true criteria :lol

Stay living delusional. Stay trying to build and form your own world, so it makes sense along your twisted ideals.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're squirming right now. Why do these posts come off like you're ready to shit yourself? :oldlol:

All you did was bold the game-winners and added game-tying bricks

lol

More importantly though? 2 posters just provided more comprehensive numbers. These stats show MJ and Kobe performed better in cruncthime. Well better than your hero that is.

Yeah, Kobe's stats are fake, by the way..

One lil' check is all it took.

Kobe is 32/80 in the proposed window.

https://i.gyazo.com/2f3c22fb277c3619c8b77834917e3e45.png
https://i.gyazo.com/f671aaf42a47fb495a9a826270c53bf4.png

...

https://i.gyazo.com/dc520587729292efadd2ac4fd879efe5.png

Again, I have to call you a dumbass for being so gullible. :(

[LAmbruh]

:lebronamazed: :party:

[ArbitraryWater]

4th Quarter/OT shooting in the Finals


LeBron: 128/290(44.4%)
Duncan: 41-104(39.4%) *missing '99
Kobe: 73-187(39.0%)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You can't be serious.

These are all game winning and game tying shots.

I didn't just add "game tying bricks". If they didnt hit many game tying shots, then they didnt hit many game tying shots. And there are game tying makes for all of them in there, dummie.

How about you try to put some proof behind your claims/assertions?

If I'd doubt something, I'd go after it. You don't seem to be that type of person.


Yeah, continue relying on one extremely narrowed window which has Bryant and James close in the clutch, and Bryant ahead, barely.

And ignore everything else. Cause everything else is biased and bad and wrong, and this is the only true criteria :lol

Stay living delusional. Stay trying to build and form your own world, so it makes sense along your twisted ideals.

I never doubted the numbers you idiot :oldlol:

Stalker posted clutch stats. I asked if they were legit. He said they were and I took him for his word. Nothing more.

I'd worry less about me and more about your time on here. You come into these threads like you're on a crusade to defend LeBron's honor. Sorry ass motherfukker :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

I never doubted the numbers you idiot :oldlol:

Stalker posted clutch stats. I asked if they were legit. He said they were and I took him for his word. Nothing more.

I'd worry less about me and more about your time on here. You come into these threads like you're on a crusade to defend LeBron's honor. Sorry ass motherfukker :oldlol:

I post facts, you center out LeBron to try to eek out a reaction, and one based on false claims at that... and then believing stalker is another act of insane retardation Lol

If I were you, I'd back off and re-evaluate.

[TheCorporation]

I never doubted the numbers you idiot :oldlol:

Stalker posted clutch stats. I asked if they were legit. He said they were and I took him for his word. Nothing more.

I'd worry less about me and more about your time on here. You come into these threads like you're on a crusade to defend LeBron's honor. Sorry ass motherfukker :oldlol:

What a cry baby ***** triggered little bitch :lol

Facts hurt Jordan/Kobe fans and I love it

[scuzzy]

Kuniva with a warm juicy meltdown :oldlol:

[fileman1209]

Kobe blew a 3-1 lead......that automatically takes him out of amy clutch consideration :confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

I never doubted the numbers you idiot :oldlol:

Stalker posted clutch stats. I asked if they were legit. He said they were and I took him for his word. Nothing more.

I'd worry less about me and more about your time on here. You come into these threads like you're on a crusade to defend LeBron's honor. Sorry ass motherfukker :oldlol:

This guy is shook and pretending to be "cool" with it all

https://i.postimg.cc/HL5psLyk/2f7.jpg

:oldlol: :roll: :roll: