Definitive Clutch Stats for Kobe, Lebron, and MJ... for reference purposes

[3ball]

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Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001


91-238 for Kobe.. 38.2%
72 games.. 3.3 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=bryanko01&order_by=date_game



134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game



71-171 for Durant.. 41.5%
56 games.. 3.1 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&player_id=duranke01&year_id=&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=&q2=&q3=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&is_tying=&is_go_ahead=&c1stat=&c1comp=&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=&c3val=&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=&offset=0



Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

Overall MJ in 97' and 98' Playoffs: 42-89.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game



But we have to add in Kobe's 1997-2000 from NBA.com


Kobe 2000 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 10-17.. 58.8% (6 games)
Kobe 1999 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1998-99&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-6.. 33.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-2.. 100.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-7.. 28.6% (2 games)


106-270 for Kobe overall.. 39.2%
88 games.. 3.1 attempts per game
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[3ball]

Adding Durant to the OP.....

[3ball]

Nothing from bran stans?

Those stats are 100% legit and can be verified by clicking the links.. sort by makes/misses that on each page and it's simple division from there

[ImKobe]

These game amounts don't make sense. So you have 2 post-seasons of available data for MJ, but that's almost half as much as KD's whole career and 1/3rd of Kobe's? Jordan was really involved in that many close games in 2 Playoff runs? Like Kobe's 20 years amounts up to like 250 shots but Jordan has 89 in two?

And Kobe's 2000 numbers are actually insane. He did that in the biggest games (Portland 2000 WCF Game 7, Indiana Game 4 OT & Game 6 4th quarter).

Wish we had the free throw data as well weighed in though, Lebron lost a bunch of games due to his missed FTs late and the turnover numbers would be interesting as well.

[TheCorporation]

https://i.ibb.co/KLnWNVZ/704-A3-C6-E-BC85-4-A80-80-A1-2-AD67-F998-FFA.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

These game amounts don't make sense. So you have 2 post-seasons of available data for MJ, but that's almost half as much as KD's whole career and 1/3rd of Kobe's? Jordan was really involved in that many close games in 2 Playoff runs? Like Kobe's 20 years amounts up to like 250 shots but Jordan has 89 in two?

And Kobe's 2000 numbers are actually insane. He did that in the biggest games (Portland 2000 WCF Game 7, Indiana Game 4 OT & Game 6 4th quarter).

Wish we had the free throw data as well weighed in though, Lebron lost a bunch of games due to his missed FTs late and the turnover numbers would be interesting as well.
Which playoff games did LeBron lose due to late missed FT’s?

[TheCorporation]

Saw the issue here, you had the filter on "all quarters" on the 97-98 one.

96-97 MJ 20/39 FG (51.3%) 14/17 FT (82.4%)
97-98 MJ 20/45 FG (44.5%) 27/33 FT (81.8%)


for a total of 40/84 (47.6%) & 41/50 FT(82.0%)

I wonder why he left out 96 :hammerhead: Pathetic

God 3ball is a fraud

How can anyone take him seriously.

[3ball]

Saw the issue here, you had the filter on "all quarters" on the 97-98 one.

96-97 MJ 20/39 FG (51.3%) 14/17 FT (82.4%)
97-98 MJ 20/45 FG (44.5%) 27/33 FT (81.8%)


for a total of 40/84 (47.6%) & 41/50 FT(82.0%)
No - I checked for that - the clutch setting only includes 4th quarter and overtime

Filter for just overtime, and then filter for just 4th quarter - add those up and it equals the original clutch setting

[3ball]

I wonder why he left out 96 :hammerhead: Pathetic

God 3ball is a fraud

How can anyone take him seriously.
The stats only go back to 1997 dumbass

Now take a seat while grown folks talk

[TheCorporation]

The stats only go back to 1997 dumbass

Now take a seat while grown folks talk

:lol Like you haven't looked it up and realized it would hurt the argument

Dumbass :facepalm

[ImKobe]

We should look into championship years for Kobe and Lebron

Kobe

99-00 - 10/17 FG 9/12 FT 4 ast 2 TO
00-01 - 7/15 FG 11/13 FT 4 ast 3 TO
01-02 - 13/33 FG 18/22 FT 8 ast 2 TO
08-09 - 14/34 FG 17/21 FT 9 ast 3 TO
09-10 - 13/33 FG 20/23 FT 4 ast 0 TO

Total: 57/132 FG (43.18%) 75/91 FT (82.4%) 29 ast 10 TO
James

11-12 - 10/27 FG 23/31 FT 7 ast 2 TO
12-13 - 11/25 FG 11/13 FT 6 ast 8 TO
15-16 - 7/21 FG 3/4 FT 7 ast 4 TO

Total: 28/73 FG (38.3%) 37/48 FT (77.08%) 20 ast 14 TO

[3ball]

These game amounts don't make sense. So you have 2 post-seasons of available data for MJ, but that's almost half as much as KD's whole career and 1/3rd of Kobe's? Jordan was really involved in that many close games in 2 Playoff runs? Like Kobe's 20 years amounts up to like 250 shots but Jordan has 89 in two?

And Kobe's 2000 numbers are actually insane. He did that in the biggest games (Portland 2000 WCF Game 7, Indiana Game 4 OT & Game 6 4th quarter).

Wish we had the free throw data as well weighed in though, Lebron lost a bunch of games due to his missed FTs late and the turnover numbers would be interesting as well.
MJ took almost all the clutch shots for the bulls, whereas Kobe, lebron, and durant had other guys to take some of them, so many games they would have ZERO attempts in the clutch, while MJ never did

That's the difference and that's why old-timers swear MJ was the clutchest ever without knowing any stats - they simply saw him take all the clutch shots for the bulls.. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

We should look into championship years for Kobe and Lebron

Kobe

99-00 - 10/17 FG 9/12 FT 4 ast 2 TO
00-01 - 7/15 FG 11/13 FT 4 ast 3 TO
01-02 - 13/33 FG 18/22 FT 8 ast 2 TO
08-09 - 14/34 FG 17/21 FT 9 ast 3 TO
09-10 - 13/23 FG 20/23 FT 4 ast 0 TO

Total: 57/122 FG (46.7%) 75/91 FT (82.4%) 29 ast 10 TO
James

11-12 - 10/27 FG 23/31 FT 7 ast 2 TO
12-13 - 11/25 FG 11/13 FT 6 ast 8 TO
15-16 - 7/21 FG 3/4 FT 7 ast 4 TO

Total: 28/73 FG (38.3%) 37/48 FT (77.08%) 20 ast 14 TO
These clutch stats are definitive

MJ>Kobe>Durant>Lebron

[bigkingsfan]

This shows Lebron is more clutch than Kobe but less than MJ. It's hardly a revelation.

[ImKobe]

These clutch stats are definitive

MJ>Kobe>Durant>Lebron

I agree on your assessment, but looking at Kobe vs. Lebron in their title runs, Kobe is more efficient and has the better AST-TO ratio. Should be 0 argument for James moving forward. Could care less about clutch stats in losing seasons.

[3ball]

This shows Lebron is more clutch than Kobe but less than MJ. It's hardly a revelation.
Except when you look at just the championship years as ImKobe did in post #11

They show that Kobe was far better in the clutch than lebron during the championship years

And btw, the stats show that jordan has a SIGNIFICANT gap in clutch efficiency and attempts over everyone - these stats prove he's goat as much as anything.. although his status as the only player with 4+ first option rings takes the cake

[TheCorporation]

Don't forget post season efficiency. I wonder who's leading it that...Let's see:

Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
#1 LeBron = .491
#2 Jordan = .487
#3 Bird = .472
#4 Kobe = .448

3P%
#1 LeBron = .332
#2 Jordan = .332
#3 Kobe = .331
#4 Bird = .321

TS%
#1 LeBron = .579
#2 Jordan = .568
#3 Bird = .551
#4 Kobe = .541

[bigkingsfan]

Except when you look at just the championship years as ImKobe did above

They show that Kobe was far better in the clutch than lebron

And btw, the stats show that jordan has a SIGNIFICANT gap in clutch efficiency and attempts over everyone - these stats prove he's goat about as much as anything.. although his status as the only player with 4+ first option ringstakes the cake
That's a silly way to look at it, it's the entire body of work. If you were actually more clutch in losing seasons, you could have advanced further in the playoffs. You might actually be less clutch in winning seasons, but you have teammates hitting key baskets or carrying the load.

[ArbitraryWater]

Except when you look at just the championship years as ImKobe did in post #11

They show that Kobe was far better in the clutch than lebron during the championship years

And btw, the stats show that jordan has a SIGNIFICANT gap in clutch efficiency and attempts over everyone - these stats prove he's goat as much as anything.. although his status as the only player with 4+ first option rings takes the cake

thats probably the dumbest take because losing years were close losses...

something happened for them to lose, not win.

ergo, those are the years needing deeper inspection, considering failure happened...

in the title years work was done anyway, one way or another.

[ImKobe]

thats probably the dumbest take because losing years were close losses...

something happened for them to lose, not win.

ergo, those are the years needing deeper inspection, considering failure happened...

in the title years work was done anyway, one way or another.

:lol

So Kobe being better in all facets (FG%, FT%, AST-TO ratio) has NOTHING to do with his championship runs?

But you'll post overall 4th/OT numbers that include the blowout Finals for Lebron, where he goes for layups in garbage time down 10-20 points? What do those stats tell us exactly?

Why do we need to include stats of the most one-sided Finals series in NBA history? Warriors/Spurs were happy to let Lebron score on layups down 15-20 points.

[ArbitraryWater]

:lol

So Kobe being better in all facets (FG%, FT%, AST-TO ratio) has NOTHING to do with his championship runs?

But you'll post overall 4th/OT numbers that include the blowout Finals for Lebron, where he goes for layups in garbage time down 10-20 points? What do those stats tell us exactly?

Why do we need to include stats of the most one-sided Finals series in NBA history? Warriors were happy to let Lebron score on layups down 15-20 points.

Oh no, nice stats, just incomplete.

[3ball]

Don't forget post season efficiency. I wonder who's leading it that...Let's see:

Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
LeBron = .491
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448

3P%
Lebron = .332
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321

TS%
Lebron = .579
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541

Overall efficiency per possession (offensive rating, ortg)
Jordan = 118
Lebron = 116
Bird = 115
Kobe = 112


The bolded above shows that MJ and lebron had basically the same efficiency

But if a player shoots 20 times at the same efficiency, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???

MJ has the same efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg

So mj just DID MORE.. :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Oh no, nice stats, just incomplete.

You just posted entire 4th quarters that include blowouts while I go with crunch time (up/down 5 pts in the last 5 mins of 4th & OT) in the years they actually succeeded in.

[3ball]

thats probably the dumbest take because losing years were close losses...

something happened for them to lose, not win.

ergo, those are the years needing deeper inspection, considering failure happened...

in the title years work was done anyway, one way or another.


^^^^ That's for Kobe and lebron fans to dispute - I just posted the numbers - interpret how you see fit and rational, which you're doing

But one thing the stats show for certain - old jordan has a SIGNIFICANT gap in clutch efficiency and attempts over everyone

these stats prove he's goat as much as anything - although his status as the only player with 4+ first option rings takes the cake

[TheCorporation]

^^^^ That's for Kobe and lebron fans to dispute - I just posted the numbers - interpret how you see fit and rational, which you're doing

But one thing the stats show for certain - old jordan has a SIGNIFICANT gap in clutch efficiency and attempts over everyone

these stats prove he's goat as much as anything - although his status as the only player with 4+ first option rings takes the cake

Well well well

https://i.ibb.co/KLnWNVZ/704-A3-C6-E-BC85-4-A80-80-A1-2-AD67-F998-FFA.jpg

[3ball]

Well well well

https://i.ibb.co/KLnWNVZ/704-A3-C6-E-BC85-4-A80-80-A1-2-AD67-F998-FFA.jpg
You would pollute the thread with that meaningless bullshit

The OP proves that 35-year old MJ was far more clutch than Kobe and lebron

Can you imagine if we had MJ's prime stats from pre-93?... Seriously, can you imagine what they'd look like?... :facepalm :eek:
.
Now do you see why he's the consensus goat by all age groups, players, coaches, executives, fans, and media alike?

[90sgoat]

Sort for finals 3ball.

Lebron until last year, short 26% in the clutch in the finals for his career.

The man is a monumental choker.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sort for finals 3ball.

Lebron until last year, short 26% in the clutch in the finals for his career.

The man is a monumental choker.

here:

4th Quarter/OT shooting in the Finals


LeBron: 128/290(44.4%)
Duncan: 41-104(39.4%) *missing '99
Kobe: 73-187(39.0%)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466805

[34-24 Footwork]

:lol

So Kobe being better in all facets (FG%, FT%, AST-TO ratio) has NOTHING to do with his championship runs?

But you'll post overall 4th/OT numbers that include the blowout Finals for Lebron, where he goes for layups in garbage time down 10-20 points? What do those stats tell us exactly?

Why do we need to include stats of the most one-sided Finals series in NBA history? Warriors/Spurs were happy to let Lebron score on layups down 15-20 points.

ImKobe literally BULLYING these nerds with ease.

Lol @ including stats during the most lopsided finals in history and using those to define clutchness. Not a good look...

[34-24 Footwork]

here:

4th Quarter/OT shooting in the Finals


LeBron: 128/290(44.4%)
Duncan: 41-104(39.4%) *missing '99
Kobe: 73-187(39.0%)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466805

Great. How many uncontessted layups/dunks/garbage time points while down by 20 did LeBron have? Thanks.

[tpols]

Except when you look at just the championship years as ImKobe did in post #11

They show that Kobe was far better in the clutch than lebron during the championship years

And btw, the stats show that jordan has a SIGNIFICANT gap in clutch efficiency and attempts over everyone - these stats prove he's goat as much as anything.. although his status as the only player with 4+ first option rings takes the cake



thats probably the dumbest take because losing years were close losses...

something happened for them to lose, not win.

ergo, those are the years needing deeper inspection, considering failure happened...

in the title years work was done anyway, one way or another.



what it shows is that kobe had to generally be clutch for his teams to win... he was his own teams ray allen or kyrie irving.

[ArbitraryWater]

what it shows is that kobe had to generally be clutch for his teams to win... he was his own teams ray allen or kyrie irving.

without the margin of victory, how could it possibly show that?


https://pics.me.me/kobe-shot-10-for-33-303-in-the-09-finals-in-4th-quarters-40298495.png


had to be clutch to win?


Not really, no?

Shows more that Gasol needed to be clutch for them to win

Nothing you guys ever conclude makes any sense

[TheCorporation]

without the margin of victory, how could it possibly show that?


https://pics.me.me/kobe-shot-10-for-33-303-in-the-09-finals-in-4th-quarters-40298495.png


had to be clutch to win?


Not really, no?

Shows more that Gasol needed to be clutch for them to win

Nothing you guys ever conclude makes any sense


Another day
Another win

[tpols]

without the margin of victory, how could it possibly show that?


https://pics.me.me/kobe-shot-10-for-33-303-in-the-09-finals-in-4th-quarters-40298495.png


had to be clutch to win?


Not really, no?

Shows more that Gasol needed to be clutch for them to win

Nothing you guys ever conclude makes any sense


He was clutch in that playoff run, the WCFs were epic. You just cherry picked one series out of 20+ that made up his winning rings, to make a whole analysis.

put the cap on.

#dunce

[34-24 Footwork]

without the margin of victory, how could it possibly show that?


https://pics.me.me/kobe-shot-10-for-33-303-in-the-09-finals-in-4th-quarters-40298495.png


had to be clutch to win?


Not really, no?

Shows more that Gasol needed to be clutch for them to win

Nothing you guys ever conclude makes any sense

Love these cute graphics. Turns out the 7 foot dude whose closer to the rim shoots a better percentage than the guy whose 6'6 and plays on the perimeter

[3ball]

what it shows is that kobe had to generally be clutch for his teams to win... he was his own teams ray allen or kyrie irving.

Here's a few charts for Arbitrary and TheCorporation:


http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg

^^^^Lebron horrible in the Finals


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/eY2j3S.gif


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbrziTVWAAIP7aY.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

He was clutch in that playoff run, the WCFs were epic. You just cherry picked one series out of 20+ that made up his winning rings, to make a whole analysis.

put the cap on.

#dunce

lmaoo

games 1-2 werent close, games 3-4 he didnt score until the Lakers were down 10+, game 5 was close and Kobe was ass

game 6 was the only close, clutch game.


Stop bullshitting yourself


Love these cute graphics. Turns out the 7 foot dude whose closer to the rim shoots a better percentage than the guy whose 6'6 and plays on the perimeter

oh, thats not the point


the point is Kobe shooting like shit in the 4th quarters of not just the finals, but the playoffs :lol

[Smoke117]

Kobrick is who we thought he was. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Sort for finals 3ball.

Lebron until last year, short 26% in the clutch in the finals for his career.

The man is a monumental choker.

Uhh you ARE 3ball ...Who doesnt know this yet?

[TheCorporation]

Kobrick is who we thought he was. :oldlol:
MasonryMentality

BrickBe

Masonry Master

[ArbitraryWater]

2010 WCF:


Classic Kobe garbage time padding

GAME 3

https://i.gyazo.com/7724e812dacd3e026ac7c50c8df8cbc8.png

GAME 4

https://i.gyazo.com/462afd76ee0d41c866dbecf61d4f8049.png

down 10 with 26 seconds left lemme take this 11-footer :roll: :roll:

I love doing this

[bigkingsfan]

Why do we need to include stats of the most one-sided Finals series in NBA history? Warriors/Spurs were happy to let Lebron score on layups down 15-20 points.


Great. How many uncontessted layups/dunks/garbage time points while down by 20 did LeBron have? Thanks.

For basket +- 20
He scored exactly one in both years.

https://i.ibb.co/fMwHVyR/Untitled.png

6/18 33% when the score was +-10. Lower than his average.
We're talking six garbage baskets total in both years.

[ArbitraryWater]

^thx


as just posted, we can find more garbage buckets from kobe in the 2010 wcf alone


lol

[3ball]

MasonryMentality

BrickBe

Masonry Master

Lebron is atrocious in the Finals


http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg

[tpols]

Lebron is atrocious in the Finals


http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg


And in the playoffs in general apparently...

Note the TOs.. thats a shit ton and shows hes dominating the ball as well.

[tpols]

Lebron is atrocious in the Finals


http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg


And in the playoffs in general apparently...

Note the TOs.. thats a shit ton and shows hes dominating the ball as well.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron is atrocious in the Finals


http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg

again, the stats are wrong, will you continue posting them?

yes you will

[superduper]

Here's a few charts for Arbitrary and TheCorporation:


http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg

^^^^Lebron horrible in the Finals


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/eY2j3S.gif


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbrziTVWAAIP7aY.jpg

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[LAmbruh]

For basket +- 20
He scored exactly one in both years.

https://i.ibb.co/fMwHVyR/Untitled.png

6/18 33% when the score was +-10. Lower than his average.
We're talking six garbage baskets total in both years.
quality pwnage :oldlol: :applause:

[ImKobe]

For basket +- 20
He scored exactly one in both years.

https://i.ibb.co/fMwHVyR/Untitled.png

6/18 33% when the score was +-10. Lower than his average.
We're talking six garbage baskets total in both years.

But that's just not all the data, right? 2017 Finals we all remember him stat-padding that triple-double average at the end of Game 5 and then there's other Playoff rounds that affect the stat too.

If you want to go by clutch, you have to look into the last 5 minutes and the score being within 5 or else you're most likely including irrelevant stats. That's all I'm saying. I'm not going to go through every single shot and count them up, but by using OP's criteria, I found that Kobe's numbers aren't that bad at all in his championship years. Some overall 4th quarter stats make him look worse than he is and it might be the same case with Lebron.

[RRR3]

Bran Bran Bran

Bean Bean Bean


MJ MJ MJ









:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

How is LeBron "atrocious" in the Finals yet puts up better numbers than anyone, ever?

:biggums:


MJ must be a REALLY bad player if he still couldn't catch LeBron while he was playing well in 4 rounds vs only 3 for LeBron :(

[ImKobe]

Bran Bran Bran

Bean Bean Bean


MJ MJ MJ









:facepalm

Let's see Wade's championship runs

last 5 minutes, up/down 5

2006 - 7/18 FG 12/17 FT 2 ast 0 TO
2012 - 3/6 FG 3/3 FT 2 ast 3 TO
2013 - 1/5 FG 2/2 FT 1 ast 2 TO

Total: 11/29 FG, 17/22 FT, 5 ast 5 TO

https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals&PORound=4

if you want to sort through them

[TheCorporation]

Bran Bran Bran

Bean Bean Bean


MJ MJ MJ









:facepalm

:lol

To be fair, one of those names does NOT belong in the equation

[bigkingsfan]

But that's just not all the data, right? 2017 Finals we all remember him stat-padding that triple-double average at the end of Game 5 and then there's other Playoff rounds that affect the stat too.

If you want to go by clutch, you have to look into the last 5 minutes and the score being within 5 or else you're most likely including irrelevant stats. That's all I'm saying. I'm not going to go through every single shot and count them up, but by using OP's criteria, I found that Kobe's numbers aren't that bad at all in his championship years. Some overall 4th quarter stats make him look worse than he is and it might be the same case with Lebron.
I used 2018 and 2014 out of curiosity, because they lose by huge amount. Every player stat pad at some point.

[NBASTATMAN]

So LEBRON BETTER THAN KOBE AND MJ BETTER THAN BOTH..

DUH WE KNOW THAT...

KOBE shot less than 30 percent in fourth quarters of 2009 title and 2010 titleS.. Dude is so overrated..

MJ clearly the best clutch player but Bron is second best.. BTW LEBRON is also the second best scorer as PER 3BALL... Lebron has the best scoring numbers in the PLAYOFFS playing at a PACE OF UNDER 90..

LEBRON THE GOAT :bowdown:

[3ball]

http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg





How is LeBron "atrocious" in the Finals


In the clutch

That's what the thread is about

And lebron's shooting efficiency and crazy-high turnovers (shown above) prove he sucks in the clutch compared to Kobe - in the Finals and playoffs as a whole - the numbers are what they are.. :confusedshrug:





Yet puts up better numbers in the Finals than anyone, ever?


MJ averaged 6 more points in the Finals on equal efficiency and night/day better clutch and defense.. So MJ is the goat Finals performer easily, thus 6/6

And Lebron's westbrooking is infact atrocious - that brand did worse against Durant's Warriors than the Clippers this year!!!! 3/9!!!!!... :yaohappy:
..

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"When lights are the brightest and pressure rises, some players step up while others fall back" - Fudge


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players getting checked by Hornacek + Ehlo as their hardest playoff competition primary defender are disqualified by default

[3ball]

"When lights are the brightest and pressure rises, some players step up while others fall back" - Fudge



lebron's horrific shooting efficiency and crazy-high turnovers prove he sucks in the clutch compared to Kobe - in the Finals and playoffs as a whole:


http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg





players getting checked by Hornacek + Ehlo as their hardest playoff competition primary defender are disqualified by default



Stfu ignoramus


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[LAmbruh]

"When lights are the brightest and pressure rises, some players step up while others fall back" - Fudge


https://i.postimg.cc/rsJZyPWQ/2-R94263-1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/wxcGk7PL/xvxvc.png (https://postimages.org/)


players getting checked by Hornacek + Ehlo as their hardest playoff competition primary defender are disqualified by default
shout out to Fudge :applause::bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

OP is wrong...

REAL clutch time.

Playoffs...

Two minutes left with a margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation
His free throw shooting is 49/67
True Shooting is, 49.8%
Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
His free throw shooting is 67/79
His true shooting is 58 %
Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes with a margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 10/14
His true shooting is 31%
Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 4/5
His true shooting is 56.4%
Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes with a margin of 5....

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
32% EFG
43% TS.
Assists per 36: 4.26
TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
46% EFG
53% TS.
Assists per 36: 3.6
TO per 36: 1.08

[3ball]

REAL clutch time.

Playoffs...

Two minutes left with a margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation
His free throw shooting is 49/67
True Shooting is, 49.8%
Assist per 36: 4.2 assists
Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.
His free throw shooting is 67/79
His true shooting is 58 %
Assists per 36: 4.3 assists
Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes with a margin of 3...

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 10/14
His true shooting is 31%
Assists per 36: 3.7 assists
TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations
His free throw shooting is 4/5
His true shooting is 56.4%
Assists per 36: 7.5 assists
TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes with a margin of 5....

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.
32% EFG
43% TS.
Assists per 36: 4.26
TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.
46% EFG
53% TS.
Assists per 36: 3.6
TO per 36: 1.08


This is all true - Kobe crushes Lebron in the clutch

But I had to go last 5 minutes because those are the only numbers we had for MJ on NBA.com
Nonetheless, various (http://i63.tinypic.com/dferea.jpg) charts itt show how much better Kobe was in the playoffs, and especially Finals

[Lebron23]

https://i.ibb.co/KLnWNVZ/704-A3-C6-E-BC85-4-A80-80-A1-2-AD67-F998-FFA.jpg

Mr Clutch.