Tom Heinsohn has 6 first option rings. the NBA's racist culture buried his career

[kennethgriffen]

heinsohn 1957 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1959 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1960 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1961 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1962 ( a few less points than russell but still the most shots )
heinsohn 1963 ( 1 less ppg than jones but still the most shots )


tom heinsohn was the 1st option for 6 title teams

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[FKAri]

I have a couple 1st option rings from the 60's too.

[Smoke117]

:cletus: Jr.

[RRR3]

:cletus: Jr.
:roll:

[kennethgriffen]

I have a couple 1st option rings from the 60's too.


why do we hype up bill russell/wilt chamberlain/oscar robertson if 60's accomplishments mean nothing


oh i think i know why...

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[RRR3]

why do we hype up bill russell/wilt chamberlain/oscar robertson if 60's accomplishments mean nothing


oh i think i know why...

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Because they were the 3 greatest players of the 60s you ****ing idiot.

[kennethgriffen]

Because they were the 3 greatest players of the 60s you ****ing idiot.


ok... but why are so many white guys except the "TOKEN JERRY WEST" buried in all time rankings



why is russell top 5 all time and heinsohn is barely looked at as a top 100 player



he averaged nearly 20/10 for his career

[Vino24]

ok... but why are so many white guys except the "TOKEN JERRY WEST" buried in all time rankings



why is russell top 5 all time and heinsohn is barely looked at as a top 100 player



he averaged nearly 20/10 for his career
thought you retired bruh?

[Smoke117]

ok... but why are so many white guys except the "TOKEN JERRY WEST" buried in all time rankings



why is russell top 5 all time and heinsohn is barely looked at as a top 100 player



he averaged nearly 20/10 for his career

Because Bill Russell was 100 times the defensive player you albino ape. Everyone sucked offensively during that era, but no one came close to Russell defensively.

[kennethgriffen]

from now on the GREAT tom heinsohn is a top 15-20 player all time MINIMUM


that or bump russell the f*ck out of the top 20 ... ENOUGH F*CKING RACIST BULLSH*T

[kennethgriffen]

Because Bill Russell was 100 times the defensive player you albino ape. Everyone sucked offensively during that era, but no one came close to Russell defensively.


where do you rank dennis rodman all time... the best defender/rebounder on 5 title teams ( and 5 titles in the modern era are worth about 10 from the 60's )


why isn't michael cooper in the hall of fame

why is ben wallace overlooked so much

russell is an overrated clown... i'm done hyping his ass up


defense only matters if they like you

[Vino24]

from now on the GREAT tom heinsohn is a top 15-20 player all time MINIMUM


that or bump russell the f*ck out of the top 20 ... ENOUGH F*CKING RACIST BULLSH*T
Russell was 10 times the player that Heinsohn was

[Smoke117]

where do you rank dennis rodman all time... the best defender/rebounder on 5 title teams ( and 5 titles in the modern era are worth about 10 from the 60's )


why isn't michael cooper in the hall of fame

He wasn't the best defensive player on the bulls latter 3peat, Pippen was. He also had no business garnering those DPOY awards. He literally got them during Hakeem's peak defensively. That 1990 DPOY he got is especially a joke. That was the greatest defensive season EVER in the modern era by Hakeem. That they gave it to Rodman over him was a travesty.

[kennethgriffen]

He wasn't the best defensive player on the bulls latter 3peat, Pippen was. He also had no business garnering those DPOY awards. He literally got them during Hakeem's peak defensively. That 1990 DPOY he got is especially a joke. That was the greatest defensive season EVER in the modern era by Hakeem. That they gave it to Rodman over him was a travesty.


sorry but rodman won the bulls the 96 finals and guarded malone in the next 2 finals. he was by far the most important defender


and defensive rebounding is a part of playing defense f*ckhead

[Smoke117]

sorry but rodman won the bulls the 96 finals and guarded malone in the next 2 finals. he was by far the most important defender


and defensive rebounding is a part of playing defense f*ckhead

Except it was Pippen's job on the perimeter that disrupted and boggled the Jazz offense in the 97 and 98 finals. Like Phil said after they destroyed the Jazz in that 96-54 game in the 98 finals...Pippen was a "one man wrecking crew". Pippen also had a team low 103 drating in that 96 finals. Rodman had a 107. Kemp basically did whatever he wanted vs Rodman in that 96 finals. Rodman made him look like a superstar.

[iamgine]

Tom Heinsohn is in the HOF.

[3ball]

heinsohn 1957 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1959 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1960 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1961 ( most shots and points )
heinsohn 1962 ( a few less points than russell but still the most shots )
heinsohn 1963 ( 1 less ppg than jones but still the most shots )


tom heinsohn was the 1st option for 6 title teams


Those aren't 1st option rings and you know it, so you have no case and your argument is basically disqualified - not enough 1st option rings... :confusedshrug:

And the reality is that MJ scored 10-20 more than his 2nd option in all Finals, so he wasn't scraping by like your stats - his rings were carry-jobs on offense - there's no comparison for anyone that won multiple rings

[kennethgriffen]

Except it was Pippen's job on the perimeter that disrupted and boggled the Jazz offense in the 97 and 98 finals. Like Phil said after they destroyed the Jazz in that 96-54 game in the 98 finals...Pippen was a "one man wrecking crew". Pippen also had a team low 103 drating in that 96 finals. Rodman had a 107. Kemp basically did whatever he wanted vs Rodman in that 96 finals. Rodman made him look like a superstar.


ok where do you rank pippen f*cktard


now hes the best defender on 6 title teams


top 5?

:lol

[Vino24]

Those aren't 1st option rings and you know it, so you have no case and your argument is basically disqualified - not enough 1st option rings... :confusedshrug:

And the reality is that MJ scored 10-20 more than his 2nd option in all Finals, so he wasn't scraping by like your stats - his rings were carry-jobs on offense - there's no comparison for anyone that won multiple rings
when Bill Russell retired the Celtics went from winning the chip to missing the playoffs. When MJ first retired Bulls went from 57 wins to 55. MJ was worth only 2 wins. Meanwhile Russell is the difference between a top lottery pick and a ring.

[kennethgriffen]

Those aren't 1st option rings and you know it, so you have no case and your argument is basically disqualified - not enough 1st option rings... :confusedshrug:

And the reality is that MJ scored 10-20 more than his 2nd option in all Finals, so he wasn't scraping by like your stats - his rings were carry-jobs on offense - there's no comparison for anyone that won multiple rings


1st option means 1st option.. not most efficient

[kennethgriffen]

Tom Heinsohn is in the HOF.


everyone and their dog is in the hall of fame

[GimmeThat]

well, if our cells are reproduced based off of genetics, and gays and lesbians reproduces hormones at a slower pace based off of said genetics.

under balance, our reproduction organs should produce healthy off-springs

[jlip]

No one cared about "first option" rings until Jordan started winning titles. People understood that you could be your team's most valuable player while not necessarily being the leading scorer. Why do you think that Bill Walton, Wes Unseld, Magic, and Bird were able to win FMVPs in series where they didn't lead their teams in scoring?

[Smoke117]

ok where do you rank pippen f*cktard


now hes the best defender on 6 title teams


top 5?

:lol

He's where he's always been the last 20 years...top 30.

[kennethgriffen]

No one cared about "first option" rings until Jordan started winning titles. People understood that you could be your team's most valuable player while not necessarily being the leading scorer. Why do you think that Bill Walton, Wes Unseld, Magic, and Bird were able to win FMVPs in series where they didn't lead their teams in scoring?


agreed. i always thought pippen was the true leader on both ends... he ran the offense and the defense TBH


he just got russell'd into my top 10

[kennethgriffen]

He's where he's always been the last 20 years...top 30.



why such little credit for one guy and so much for another guy when they were both "1 man wrecking crews" on the defensive end for many title teams

[Smoke117]

No one cared about "first option" rings until Jordan started winning titles. People understood that you could be your team's most valuable player while not necessarily being the leading scorer. Why do you think that Bill Walton, Wes Unseld, Magic, and Bird were able to win FMVPs in series where they didn't lead their teams in scoring?

So true. It's the entire basis 3ball uses to try and underrate a guy like Pippen. He just brings up points individually scored like that's all that matters despite the huge impact Scottie had on the Bulls overall.

[kennethgriffen]

So true. It's the entire basis 3ball uses to try and underrate a guy like Pippen. He just brings up points individually scored like that's all that matters despite the huge impact Scottie had on the Bulls overall.


you just said pippen is barely top 30 though

[TheCorporation]

I have a couple 1st option rings from the 60's too.

:lol :lol



:cletus: Jr.

:roll: :applause: :roll:

[Smoke117]

you just said pippen is barely top 30 though

I said he was top 30 all time. Is that supposed to be bad? Being one of the 30 greatest players the league has ever seen? Are you slow, son? Is that your problem?

[kennethgriffen]

I said he was top 30 all time. Is that supposed to be bad? Being one of the 30 greatest players the league has ever seen? Are you slow, son? Is that your problem?


sounds like you're sellin him a bit short considering how much you're hyping up defense with other guys and belittling jordans scoring


someones gotta get some credit for those 6 rings


you even tried trashing rodman... who gets the love?



if russells top 5 then surely pippen must be top 20 or so

[3ball]

when Bill Russell retired the Celtics went from winning the chip to missing the playoffs. When MJ first retired Bulls went from 57 wins to 55. MJ was worth only 2 wins. Meanwhile Russell is the difference between a top lottery pick and a ring.
Russell retired with other HOF's from that team.. it wasn't just Russell leaving the team

So another swing and a miss for you... That's more than 3 strikes but you can have more because I like striking you out

And the exact same lottery cast from 1989 won a three-peat in 1993 - so the talent was the same, but they improved their basketball/teamwork from lottery-level to 2nd round by 94'...

ultimately, MJ improved the lottery cast to ECF in 89', and improved the 2nd round team to 3-peat... That's goat.. :confusedshrug:.. :bowdown:

[kennethgriffen]

the one year between 1957 to 1963 that heinsohn wasn't the #1 option the celtics lost in the finals

:lol

[Smoke117]

sounds like you're sellin him a bit short considering how much you're hyping up defense with other guys and belittling jordans scoring


someones gotta get some credit for those 6 rings


you even tried trashing rodman... who gets the love?



if russells top 5 then surely pippen must be top 20 or so

Never once did I belittle Jordan's scoring, but okay. Never said I had Russell in my top 5 either. Saying Hakeem was a better defensive player who should have had Rodman's DPOY is just a fact. Got anymore twist on my words for me to destroy? I hope not as this is really growing dull and I want to get back to my book before I call it a night.

[kennethgriffen]

Never once did I belittle Jordan's scoring, but okay. Never said I had Russell in my top 5 either. Saying Hakeem was a better defensive player who should have had Rodman's DPOY is just a fact. Got anymore twist on my words for me to destroy? I hope not as this is really growing dull and I want to get back to my book before i call it a night.



So true. It's the entire basis 3ball uses to try and underrate a guy like Pippen. He just brings up points individually scored like that's all that matters despite the huge impact Scottie had on the Bulls overall.


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[jlip]

the one year between 1957 to 1963 that heinsohn wasn't the #1 option the celtics lost in the finals

:lol

They lost in '58 because Russell, their best player, got injured and missed nearly half the series.

[Smoke117]

How is saying 3ball underrates Pippen because he obsesses over individual ppg belittling Jordan? You are as big of a clown as he is and I'm done. Have a good night and take care.

[aj1987]

They lost in '58 because Russell, their best player, got injured and missed nearly half the series.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


It's kenny. Dude has the intelligence of a mentally challenged rodent.

[kennethgriffen]

They lost in '58 because Russell, their best player, got injured and missed nearly half the series.



russell played in 3 of their 4 losses

the celtics actually did better without him going 1-1


russell shot 34% fg's during the 4 games he played. no wonder they struggled

[kennethgriffen]

How is saying 3ball underrates Pippen because he obsesses over individual ppg belittling Jordan? You are as big of a clown as he is and I'm done. Have a good night and take care.


you also said "He just brings up points individually scored like that's all that matters despite the huge impact Scottie had on the Bulls overall."


basically saying jordans points are overrated and given too much credit



would be like me saying "all people talk about is lebrons triple doubles when kyrie was saving the day. its not just about numbers"


then turning around and saying "how did i belittle lebrons triple doubles"



you're truly retarded

[Horatio33]

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[Smoke117]

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[And1AllDay]

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[kennethgriffen]

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[SomeBitterDude]

Except it was Pippen's job on the perimeter that disrupted and boggled the Jazz offense in the 97 and 98 finals. Like Phil said after they destroyed the Jazz in that 96-54 game in the 98 finals...Pippen was a "one man wrecking crew". Pippen also had a team low 103 drating in that 96 finals. Rodman had a 107. Kemp basically did whatever he wanted vs Rodman in that 96 finals. Rodman made him look like a superstar.]

Who was the perimeter threat Pippen guarded in '96? Gimme a break. Of course his drating was great. LOL stat dorks.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Tom heinsoln was Dirk Nowitski of the 60s. Very underrated NBA legend.

[sdot_thadon]

Of all the stupid threads i expected to see after tonights game this level of idiotic was unexpected.:oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

As if in the 60s there was any sort of racial bias favoring blacks. KKKenny in full swing.