Did Kawhi just hit a bigger shot than l39ron ever has?

[paksat]

in his first season in the east?

well did he dray n klay?

[kennethgriffen]

duh... lebrons biggest shot is in a playoff series loss to dwight howard

:lol


and before someone brings up kobes phoenix shot. that shot is minuscule compared to kobes put back clincher in game 4 in the 2000 nba finals when shaq fouled out to save the season for the 2nd time

[PickernRoller]

No argument against OP's point... :applause:

[Spurs m8]

Well this is going to get the alt army rolling

[sportjames23]

Dray N Klay, answer the man--was Kawhi's shot bigger than any of Bron's?

[Kblaze8855]

duh... lebrons biggest shot is in a playoff series loss to dwight howard

:lol


and before someone brings up kobes phoenix shot. that shot is minuscule compared to kobes put back clincher in game 4 in the 2000 nba finals when shaq fouled out to save the season for the 2nd time


If youre counting a putback tip to make it a 3 point game with 6 seconds left in game 4 with a 2-1 series lead id imagine you have to count a pullup jumper with 26 seconds left to make it a 4 point game in game 7 of the finals. Theres little argument either shot isnt clutch.

That said?

You could argue its a bigger shot than Kobe or Lebron hit if his team goes on to win. If not its no bigger than Bingo smith(I think) hitting the shot to eliminate the champs in a game 7 none of you even remember happening or ever saw a clip from.

An early round winner is big....unless it ends up not mattering. It can still be iconic in certain situations...Jordan over Ehlo for one. But just....being a huge shot?

If you go on to lose it didnt much matter did it?

[ImKobe]

Certainly better than any of Lebron's (since he's never hit a winner/game-tying shot in the Finals), but it doesn't crack the top 3 even to be honest.

If we take into account difficulty and the stakes, Ray Allen's 2013 Game 6 shot is the greatest in NBA history. Not only are they down 2 - 3, but his shot itself is a really tough one to pull off and his team is eliminated if he doesn't make it. The next one is obviously Irving's 3-pointer. Neither team could buy a basket and it's a Game 7 on the road in the Finals, it's not a do-or-die shot, but it was a game-winner nonetheless. MJ's Game 6 shot comes in 3rd. Though the most iconic, it wasn't an elimination game so he would have had another chance to eliminate the Jazz.

In Kawhi's case, it's a relatively tough shot (maybe a 30-40% chance he makes it), but it's a tie game and it's only the semifinals. His team doesn't lose if he misses. The bounce adds to the drama and the recency bias obviously takes over. It's on par with Lillard's game-winners against Houston and OKC.

[paksat]

manny98/spacejam2 can you find me a bigger l39ron shot?

[sportjames23]

manny98/spacejam2 can you find me a bigger l39ron shot?


He's avoiding this thread like the plague. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Certainly better than any of Lebron's (since he's never hit a winner/game-tying shot in the Finals), but it doesn't crack the top 3 even to be honest.

If we take into account difficulty and the stakes, Ray Allen's 2013 Game 6 shot is the greatest in NBA history. Not only are they down 2 - 3, but his shot itself is a really tough one to pull off and his team is eliminated if he doesn't make it. The next one is obviously Irving's 3-pointer. Neither team could buy a basket and it's a Game 7 on the road in the Finals, it's not a do-or-die shot, but it was a game-winner nonetheless. MJ's Game 6 shot comes in 3rd. Though the most iconic, it wasn't an elimination game so he would have had another chance to eliminate the Jazz.

In Kawhi's case, it's a relatively tough shot (maybe a 30-40% chance he makes it), but it's a tie game and it's only the semifinals. His team doesn't lose if he misses. The bounce adds to the drama and the recency bias obviously takes over. It's on par with Lillard's game-winners against Houston and OKC.

I

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I

[kennethgriffen]

If youre counting a putback tip to make it a 3 point game with 6 seconds left in game 4 with a 2-1 series lead id imagine you have to count a pullup jumper with 26 seconds left to make it a 4 point game in game 7 of the finals. Theres little argument either shot isnt clutch.

That said?

You could argue its a bigger shot than Kobe or Lebron hit if his team goes on to win. If not its no bigger than Bingo smith(I think) hitting the shot to eliminate the champs in a game 7 none of you even remember happening or ever saw a clip from.

An early round winner is big....unless it ends up not mattering. It can still be iconic in certain situations...Jordan over Ehlo for one. But just....being a huge shot?

If you go on to lose it didnt much matter did it?



i think the fact that kobe was 21 years old... and the fact that it was on the road.... and the fact that it was after many many many choke jobs by shaq in previous years.... and the fact that kobe had just hit the last 2 huge jumpers... and the fact that indiana ended up winning game 5 ( so they woulda been up 3-2 and just needed one win over the next 2 games to beat LA... and the fact that kobe had overcome the utah jazz rookie air balls to break out as "that guy"


so many subplots. it wasn't just a tip in to go up 3



kobe closed the deal. it was a magic johnson 1980 style moment


i dunno what moment you're talking about. i'm assuming its the game in which lebron never should have played considering it was a gift from ray allen? and the deciding play of that game was really tim duncans bricked wide open layup

[Manny98]

Bitch please


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[Manny98]

lol imagine taking 39 shots and only scoring 41 points

LeBron would have finished these Sixers in 6 games tops

He wouldn't need it to go down to the wire like Kawhi did

[NBASTATMAN]

Bitch please


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GOAT..

LEBRON has more winners than MJ AND KOBE COMBINED. :roll: :applause:

[TheCorporation]

The GOAT standard is TEN playoff game winners

The bar has been set. Good luck Kawhi :lol

[TheCorporation]

lol imagine taking 39 shots and only scoring 41 points

LeBron would have finished these Sixers in 6 games tops

He wouldn't need it to go down to the wire like Kawhi did

Plus Kawhi had more turnovers than assists and took 7 games to beat Philly with Siakam, Lowry, Ibaka, and Gasol :lol

[Wally450]

Lebron game 2 ECF was easily bigger.

In more ways than one ;)

[TheCorporation]

Lebron game 2 ECF was easily bigger.

In more ways than one ;)

LeHung :eek:

2018 ECSF: Game 2

43-14-8 on 68% with 1 turnover :eek:

41.6 Game Score!

The thing is LeBron has so many of these games people quickly forget :bowdown:

[paksat]

Bitch please


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so that's a no?

[sdot_thadon]

in his first season in the east?

well did he dray n klay?
no. because in his crowning moment YOU only think of Lebron. :oldlol:

I mean hell, doesn't Lebron have a dagger over Kawhi to seal a title?

[SouBeachTalents]

Someone just hits the first Game 7 buzzer beater in NBA history, and the first thing these dudes think about is LeBron :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

OP, you need to explain what would constitute of a bigger shot... do you go by series? trailing? buzzer beater? if game 7 is your only criteria then you don't even need to ask, since this is pretty much the only game 7 buzzer beater ever. Dummie.



Just for absolute beauty:


https://i.gyazo.com/a0324bbc0c5e7dd1de2ff38e19198e06.gif


:bowdown:

[Hey Yo]

OP loves getting his ass handed to him day after day after day after day...

[ImKobe]

OP, you need to explain what would constitute of a bigger shot... do you go by series? trailing? buzzer beater? if game 7 is your only criteria then you don't even need to ask, since this is pretty much the only game 7 buzzer beater ever. Dummie.



This is a game-winner in a tie game & in a series where the Cavs have already stolen two games on the road :lol . Nothing close to hitting a game-winner in a Game 7.

[Hey Yo]

This is a game-winner in a tie game & in a series where the Cavs have already stolen two games on the road :lol . Nothing close to hitting a game-winner in a Game 7.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterloggedRegalDromaeosaur-size_restricted.gif

This one kept the Cavs from possibly going down 3-1 in the series.

[ImKobe]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterloggedRegalDromaeosaur-size_restricted.gif

This one kept the Cavs from going down 3-1 in the series.

That's a better shot, though obviously it wasn't an elimination game.

[Hey Yo]

That's a better shot, though obviously it wasn't an elimination game.
True, but the Raps don't automatically get eliminated if Kawhit's shot doesn't go in.

[Matppak]

lol imagine taking 39 shots and only scoring 41 points

LeBron would have finished these Sixers in 6 games tops

He wouldn't need it to go down to the wire like Kawhi did

Lmao do you not remember 2015 finals ?? 35ppg on 39% from the field 31% from 3 is better than 34ppg on 53% and 33% on 3s? Plus a buzzer beater to win game 7

you're right lebron wouldn't need to go down to the wire he would have lost in 5 or 6 games..

[paksat]

True, but the Raps don't automatically get eliminated if Kawhit's shot doesn't go in.

if that makes it feel better, add more and slowly spread it over the wound

[superduper]

Lmao do you not remember 2015 finals ?? 35ppg on 39% from the field 31% from 3 is better than 34ppg on 53% and 33% on 3s? Plus a buzzer beater to win game 7

you're right lebron wouldn't need to go down to the wire he would have lost in 5 or 6 games..

Get ready... the excuses and moved goal posts are coming

#LeGOAT

[SouBeachTalents]

The funny thing is you could ask this about most ATG's. Did Shaq, Duncan, or Kobe ever hit a shot bigger than that?

[Manny98]

Lmao do you not remember 2015 finals ?? 35ppg on 39% from the field 31% from 3 is better than 34ppg on 53% and 33% on 3s? Plus a buzzer beater to win game 7

you're right lebron wouldn't need to go down to the wire he would have lost in 5 or 6 games..
LeBron averaged 34ppg on 55% against the Pacers who were a top ranked defense last season

Kawhit could never put up those type of numbers against a top ranked defense not even in his dreams

[Manny98]

LeBron has 8 playoff gamewinners too Kawhis 1 let that sink in :roll: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Off the top?

I'd say so. Like another poster mentioned, not many ATG's have though.

Kawhi is a fukking beast. T-1000 is still alive and well, boys.

[Manny98]

Game 7 of the NBA finals

1 possession game...

https://i.postimg.cc/rFRr2S4f/lebronclutch.gif

Doesn't get any bigger than that :bowdown:

[paksat]

Game 7 of the NBA finals

1 possession game...

https://i.postimg.cc/rFRr2S4f/lebronclutch.gif

Doesn't get any bigger than that :bowdown:

rofl, the heat were up that's not even remotely close to a game winner you looney tune

so we can confirm that this ONE single shot is bigger than all 8 of l39ron's?

and another one...

kawhi did this in ONE season in the east

with a bunch of chokers as his teammates :roll:

with no kyrie :roll:

with no wade :roll:

with no bosh :roll:

[FKAri]

rofl, the heat were up that's not even remotely close to a game winner you looney tune

so we can confirm that this ONE single shot is bigger than all 8 of l39ron's?

and another one...

kawhi did this in ONE season in the east

with a bunch of chokers as his teammates :roll:

with no kyrie :roll:

with no wade :roll:

with no bosh :roll:
DPOY Gasol
Perennial All-Star Lowry
MIP and future All-star Siakam
All-NBA defensive team Green
All-NBA defensive team Ibaka
GM of the century Messiah

Stacked. No excuses.
:cheers:

[Manny98]

rofl, the heat were up that's not even remotely close to a game winner you looney tune

so we can confirm that this ONE single shot is bigger than all 8 of l39ron's?

and another one...

kawhi did this in ONE season in the east

with a bunch of chokers as his teammates :roll:

with no kyrie :roll:

with no wade :roll:

with no bosh :roll:
Game 7 of the NBA finals vs game 7 of the Eastern conference second round

Easy decision

[RealSkipBayless]

Closest thing Lebron has to a meaningful clutch moment was bricking a 3 that led to Ray Allen's 3. :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

rofl, the heat were up that's not even remotely close to a game winner you looney tune

so we can confirm that this ONE single shot is bigger than all 8 of l39ron's?

and another one...

kawhi did this in ONE season in the east

with a bunch of chokers as his teammates :roll:

with no kyrie :roll:

with no wade :roll:

with no bosh :roll:

stop melting down, and give us your qualifications.


what game winner is better than kawhi's?

[sportjames23]

paksat slapping these jabronis around. :oldlol:

[superduper]

rofl, the heat were up that's not even remotely close to a game winner you looney tune



They know this and they STILL keep posting it. There's only two possibilities, Bram fam are:

-literally retarded
-delusional
-both

[ballinhun8]

Depends what happens to Toronto from here on out.


If they win the title then that shot goes down in NBA History as one of the greatest because of the impact.

If they are eliminated then it's still a great shot but people will remember it like Lillard's about from a few years ago.


Bigger than LeBron? I mean it's bigger than most ATG sans MJ but is because his big shots led to championships.


Let's Check beach in a month OP.



But great topic nonetheless.

[Meticode]

Sure Leonard's shot is the best/biggest shot between LeBron and Kawhi, but LeBron made the biggest, most memorable play between the both of them, and one of the biggest plays ever in NBA Finals history...

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/lebronblock2.gif

...I mean Jesus Christ, there's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to that play called "The Block"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Block_(basketball)

...so you can keep your Game 7 semi-ECF buzzer beater to advance. I'll take the greatest NBA Finals block in NBA history that saved the Warriors from gaining the lead and momentum as part of the reason the Cavs won their only championship ever...over a Game 7 buzzer beater in the semi-Conference Finals when the Raptors could lose in the ECF or Finals anyway.

[SouBeachTalents]

Sure Leonard's shot is the best/biggest shot between LeBron and Kawhi, but LeBron made the biggest, most memorable play between the both of them, and one of the biggest plays ever in NBA Finals history...

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/lebronblock2.gif

...I mean Jesus Christ, there's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to that play called "The Block"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Block_(basketball)

...so you can keep your Game 7 semi-ECF buzzer beater to advance. I'll take the greatest NBA Finals block in NBA history that saved the Warriors from gaining the lead and momentum as part of the reason the Cavs won their only championship ever...over a Game 7 buzzer beater in the semi-Conference Finals when the Raptors could lose in the ECF or Finals anyway.
Damn, you just pinned OP's thread against the backboard :lol

[Overdrive]

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I think that was one of his if not his greatest singular shot. The Bulls were hot and I think they'd have taken the series if not for that.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I

[paksat]

stop melting down, and give us your qualifications.


what game winner is better than kawhi's?

kyrie is the biggest shot in nba history

[Hey Yo]

Sure Leonard's shot is the best/biggest shot between LeBron and Kawhi, but LeBron made the biggest, most memorable play between the both of them, and one of the biggest plays ever in NBA Finals history...

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/lebronblock2.gif

...I mean Jesus Christ, there's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to that play called "The Block"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Block_(basketball)

...so you can keep your Game 7 semi-ECF buzzer beater to advance. I'll take the greatest NBA Finals block in NBA history that saved the Warriors from gaining the lead and momentum as part of the reason the Cavs won their only championship ever...over a Game 7 buzzer beater in the semi-Conference Finals when the Raptors could lose in the ECF or Finals anyway.
WITNESS

[Hey Yo]

kyrie is the biggest shot in nba history
:rolleyes:


There was still like 56 seconds on the clock when the shot went in.

[ArbitraryWater]

kyrie is the biggest shot in nba history

give us your qualifications.


if stage/series counts, lebron already has 3 more worthy ones

[superduper]

:rolleyes:


There was still like 56 seconds on the clock when the shot went in.

Kyrie's shot was literally the difference maker in the game.

Game was 89-89 for like 5 game minutes.
Kyrie hits TheShot™ to make it 92-89.
Game ends 93-89.

Kyrie hit the biggest shot the history of the sport of basketball has ever seen in its existence. There is no denying it.

[FKAri]

kyrie is the biggest shot in nba history
Ray >>

[superduper]

Ray >>

Wow Ray and Kyrie!! Who was both of their 1st options? Do they share a commonality there?

[IllegalD]

:rolleyes:


There was still like 56 seconds on the clock when the shot went in.

Doesn't matter you insecure f*ggot.

Kyrie's shot is up there with all-time great Finals shots like Jordan's game-winner vs Jazz, Magic's junior-skyhook vs Celtics and Ray Allen's series-saving 3 vs Spurs (oh look, TWO of the GOAT finals shots made by LeBron's teammates. No wonder you're so salty about people bringing them up)

:roll: :lebroncry: :lebronamazed:

[paksat]

Sure Leonard's shot is the best/biggest shot between LeBron and Kawhi, but LeBron made the biggest, most memorable play between the both of them, and one of the biggest plays ever in NBA Finals history...

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/lebronblock2.gif

...I mean Jesus Christ, there's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to that play called "The Block"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Block_(basketball)

...so you can keep your Game 7 semi-ECF buzzer beater to advance. I'll take the greatest NBA Finals block in NBA history that saved the Warriors from gaining the lead and momentum as part of the reason the Cavs won their only championship ever...over a Game 7 buzzer beater in the semi-Conference Finals when the Raptors could lose in the ECF or Finals anyway.

I have no doubts that l39ron stains would dedicate a wikipedia page to a chase down block

it's a good thing he did block that tho, i'd hate to have deal with the feelings of these alts if kyrie had to come down and slam ANOTHER shot in

that block means nothing, it happened with a FULL 2 MINUTES to go in the game. You dorks over here acting like that crap happened in the final 5 seconds as the buzzer went off :oldlol:


:rolleyes:


There was still like 56 seconds on the clock when the shot went in.


read the above, then get out of my thread scrub

[Meticode]

I have no doubts that l39ron stains would dedicate a wikipedia page to a chase down block

it's a good thing he did block that tho, i'd hate to have deal with the feelings of these alts if kyrie had to come down and slam ANOTHER shot in

that block means nothing, it happened with a FULL 2 MINUTES to go in the game. You dorks over here acting like that crap happened in the final 5 seconds as the buzzer went off :oldlol:
LeBron doesn't make that block, it doesn't lead to Kyrie making the three, it doesn't lead to Love making Curry take a bad shot and it doesn't lead to the Cavs winning the game. That block is one of the biggest plays in NBA Finals history and it's the greatest play of LeBron's career. Sorry that you can't stand that fact.

[SouBeachTalents]

You really could argue the 2 biggest shots in league history were Ray & Kyrie

[paksat]

LeBron doesn't make that block, it doesn't lead to Kyrie making the three, it doesn't lead to Love making Curry take a bad shot and it doesn't lead to the Cavs winning the game. That block is one of the biggest plays in NBA Finals history and it's the greatest play of LeBron's career. Sorry that you can't stand that fact.

kyrie would have had to make two more shots rather than one, it's pretty damn plausible

[ArbitraryWater]

the funny thing is, lebron's haters want to discredit shots from a tied position, but kyrie's shot was from a tied position, and would not be tied if bron did not make that block...

:lol

are they saying that being down 2 wouldnt have made a difference in pressure?

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

kyrie would have had to make two more shots rather than one, it's pretty damn plausible

Kyrie shot 10/23 the game, so how tf is him just making another shot, from a trailing position, plausible?

never the less something you just attach to him?


You're beyond retarded.


Seek help.

[Meticode]

kyrie would have had to make two more shots rather than one, it's pretty damn plausible
But that didn't happen. So it doesn't matter. What matters is that play saved the Warriors from ever having the lead in the closing minutes and it took momentum away from them. That's a bigger play that helped win the Cavs a championship. Along with Kyrie's shot, along with Love forcing Curry to take a miss and bad shot. No one will even care about Leonard's shot if they don't win a championship. Just like no one cares about LeBron's playoff buzzer beaters.

[FKAri]

Wow Ray and Kyrie!! Who was both of their 1st options? Do they share a commonality there?
LeGod. They were both empowered and elevated by LeHung. It is why they had their greatest moments under LeBoeing's wing.

[sportjames23]

Ray >>

So you

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=superduper]Kyrie's shot was literally the difference maker in the game.

Game was 89-89 for like 5 game minutes.
Kyrie hits TheShot

[Overdrive]

:cletus: derp...derp

Easy to say now after the fact, but the game was very much still in question after the shot.

LOL @ a 4pt lead with 56 seconds left = the game was over. Especially with the 2 best 3pt shooters that included the unanimous MVP.

The Lebron block, Kyrie shot and Love lockdown were a great sequence of plays and all of them equally important to the outcome.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Lebron block, Kyrie shot and Love lockdown were a great sequence of plays and all of them equally important to the outcome.
Exactly, one of those doesn't happen the Warriors could easily win the title

[superduper]

Exactly, one of those doesn't happen the Warriors could easily win the title

The BIG 3 :rockon: :rockon:

[3ball]

.
Thread moot because lebron has never stood out as a clutch player:


Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001



134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game



91-171 for Durant.. 41.5%
56 games.. 3.1 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&player_id=duranke01&year_id=&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=&q2=&q3=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&is_tying=&is_go_ahead=&c1stat=&c1comp=&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=&c3val=&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=&offset=0



91-238 for Kobe.. 38.2%
72 games.. 3.3 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=bryanko01&order_by=date_game

Kobe 2000 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 10-17.. 58.8% (6 games)
Kobe 1999 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1998-99&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-6.. 33.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-2.. 100.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-7.. 28.6% (2 games)


106-270 for Kobe overall.. 39.2%
88 games.. 3.1 attempts per game



Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game


Old MJ with much higher clutch efficiency and attempts than everyone - the goat in tight games

[Hey Yo]

The Lebron block, Kyrie shot and Love lockdown were a great sequence of plays and all of them equally important to the outcome.
+ Curry missed a 26 footer with 31 seconds left that would have tied the game.

LOL.... I forgot that Love lockdown = the missing of the 26 footer.

[superduper]

+ Curry missed a 26 footer with 31 seconds left that would have tied the game.

The only UMVP in history got shut down by KLove**

[TheCorporation]

.
Thread moot because lebron has never stood out as a clutch player:


Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001



134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game


91-171 for Durant.. 41.5%
56 games.. 3.1 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&player_id=duranke01&year_id=&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=&q2=&q3=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&is_tying=&is_go_ahead=&c1stat=&c1comp=&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=&c3val=&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=&offset=0



91-238 for Kobe.. 38.2%
72 games.. 3.3 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=bryanko01&order_by=date_game

Kobe 2000 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 10-17.. 58.8% (6 games)
Kobe 1999 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1998-99&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-6.. 33.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-2.. 100.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-7.. 28.6% (2 games)


106-270 for Kobe overall.. 39.2%
88 games.. 3.1 attempts per game



Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game


Old MJ with much higher clutch efficiency and attempts than everyone - the goat in tight games


5 min clutch stats? :lol

Nah son


Playoff game winners, 10 seconds or less:

LeBron 10 (GOAT standard)
MJ: 9
Curry: 2
Durant: 2
Kawhi: 1 or 2?

Keep. Going. Young. Fellas.

[superduper]

5 min clutch stats? :lol

Nah son


Playoff game winners, 10 seconds or less:

LeBron 10 (GOAT standard)
MJ: 9
Curry: 2
Durant: 2
Kawhi: 1 or 2?

Keep. Going. Young. Fellas.

What makes your arbitrary cutoff any different than any other arbitrary cutoff?

Oh right it fits your agenda.

Carry on :rockon:

[NBASTATMAN]

[QUOTE=sportjames23]So you

[TheCorporation]

MORE LIKE ROB HORRY ,FISHER, ARTEST, PAU SAVED KOBE'S :roll:

KOBE IS BY FAR THE MOST DISRESPECTED ALL TIME GREAT THERE IS RIGHT NOW.. MAX , PABLO, STEPHEN A SMITH, have all taken a shit on him in the last season.. :roll:

Shit

:roll: :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

5 min clutch stats? :lol

Nah son


Playoff game winners, 10 seconds or less:

LeBron 10 (GOAT standard)
MJ: 9
Curry: 2
Durant: 2
Kawhi: 1 or 2?

Keep. Going. Young. Fellas.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Matppak]

LeBron averaged 34ppg on 55% against the Pacers who were a top ranked defense last season

Kawhit could never put up those type of numbers against a top ranked defense not even in his dreams

76ers have been a top 5 defense for 2 years :facepalm

Wow lebron won against a Pacers team with 1 scorer meanwhile Kawhi beat a 76ers team with 3 scorers and a top 15 3pt shooter all time...

Good argument though..:cheers:

[paksat]

76ers have been a top 5 defense for 2 years :facepalm

Wow lebron won against a Pacers team with 1 scorer meanwhile Kawhi beat a 76ers team with 3 scorers and a top 15 3pt shooter all time...

Good argument though..:cheers:

I like how we're done comparing MJ to l39ron and it's back to something more realistic like kawhi

[tpols]

I like how we're done comparing MJ to l39ron and it's back to something more realistic like kawhi


kawhi can shoot and close much better... and doesnt dominate the ball to get similar production. isnt a cone on D. no brainer folks...

[egokiller]

duh... lebrons biggest shot is in a playoff series loss to dwight howard

:lol


and before someone brings up kobes phoenix shot. that shot is minuscule compared to kobes put back clincher in game 4 in the 2000 nba finals when shaq fouled out to save the season for the 2nd time

Kobe has 2 game winning finals shots.
Lebron has none.

Just more evidence that when the pressure is the highest,
only the most clutch can make that shot.

Anyone can make a playoff game winner.

[Asukal]

Sure did. That was a series winning shot. :applause:

[Wally450]

Why haven't any of these guys logged onto their nineiron account?

[DocSlam]

Imagine not making the playoffs, and STILL being inside people's heads like a brain surgeon.. It's amazing.

[superduper]

Imagine not making the playoffs, and STILL being inside people's heads like a brain surgeon.. It's amazing.

Has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with his stans.

[paksat]

Has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with his stans.

bingo

l39ron j9m3s is irrelevant to us, but his fans love his stories and stats so much on this forum that I'm joining in :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

Sure Leonard's shot is the best/biggest shot between LeBron and Kawhi, but LeBron made the biggest, most memorable play between the both of them, and one of the biggest plays ever in NBA Finals history...

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/lebronblock2.gif

...I mean Jesus Christ, there's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to that play called "The Block"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Block_(basketball)

...so you can keep your Game 7 semi-ECF buzzer beater to advance. I'll take the greatest NBA Finals block in NBA history that saved the Warriors from gaining the lead and momentum as part of the reason the Cavs won their only championship ever...over a Game 7 buzzer beater in the semi-Conference Finals when the Raptors could lose in the ECF or Finals anyway.
:applause:

[bigkingsfan]

Legoat sink the FT to clinch 2016 title.

[Bawkish]

Nothing beats '89 MJ The Shot

-elimination game
-down by a point
-on the road

all while the entire team knows who gonna take the last shot, which added pressure because the defense would focus on him

[SpaceJammeR]

you guys really set yourselves up lol. we all know lebron hit way more shots especially one over kawhi in a finals game that won them the ship:roll: :roll: :roll: take the L's. kobe fans making me not like kawhi when he's my favorite player after bron. kawhi will surpass brickbe soon too.

[Gileraracer]

lol imagine taking 39 shots and only scoring 41 points

LeBron would have finished these Sixers in 6 games tops

He wouldn't need it to go down to the wire like Kawhi did

Lebron couldn't even make the playoffs :roll:

[sportjames23]

Nothing beats '89 MJ The Shot

-elimination game
-down by a point
-on the road

all while the entire team knows who gonna take the last shot, which added pressure because the defense would focus on him

:cheers:

[sportjames23]

Has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with his stans.


Don't hate the playa, hate the stans? :oldlol:

[paksat]

https://i.postimg.cc/rFFDvM7c/tenor-5.gif

lulz just because you keep posting stupid shit, guess which thread im gonna bump?

[TheCorporation]

Bitch please


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CostlyLimpAustralianfreshwatercrocodile-size_restricted.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieJATzGU4Y8iA/giphy.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/Lskn5MMn/0q-QNu.gif

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterloggedRegalDromaeosaur-size_restricted.gif

/Thread


The King doing King things

Another day, another win for the Bron Boys :dancin

[Bigsmoke]

in his first season in the east?

well did he dray n klay?

Nevermind the shot lebron hit on Kawhi to win his 2nd championship

https://youtu.be/hFZZasMfEMU

[90sgoat]

The King doing King things

Another day, another win for the Bron Boys :dancin

Can you say hi to RealSkipBayless, I hear he is banned for some weird reason?

[TheCorporation]

Can you say hi to RealSkipBayless, I hear he is banned for some weird reason?

Um. Sure :lol Is he banned tho?


Nevermind the shot lebron hit on Kawhi to win his 2nd championship

https://youtu.be/hFZZasMfEMU

BANG

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/rFFDvM7c/tenor-5.gif

ANNNND

Not over 6'2 Hornacek--Over 6'8 Kawhi DPOY Leonard

Bron has game winners of top tier defensive players like: Kawhi, Paul George, Jimmy Butler

Jordan has game winners over: Byron Russell, Craig Ehlo, Jeff Hornacek :lol

[90sgoat]

Um. Sure :lol Is he banned tho?


He gone.

[TheCorporation]

He gone.

Oh. What did he do? And how would I say hi to him?

[RealSkipBayless]

Can you say hi to RealSkipBayless, I hear he is banned for some weird reason?
Might as well be. It isn't the same here without DnK. :cry:

[90sgoat]

Might as well be. It isn't the same here without DnK. :cry:

You got of EASY.

Don't mess with KBLAZE.

[scuzzy]

that was a pretty big shot historically league wide in general


gm 7 game winner at the buzzer?


those are rare, the situation alone is rare


but yah, Lebron's game winners like this are generally called lucky and not pressure shots, vs 'weak' east competition

[RealSkipBayless]

You got of EASY.

Don't mess with KBLAZE.
He knows I'm a good boy and a 1st time offender. :D