KD's game doesn't amount to more winning

[Walk on Water]

Not only does KD not make the Warriors better, but he couldn't beat the Warriors when they didn't have KD. Warriors are so good without KD, that even he couldn't beat a KD-less Warriors team.

He never won while playing with Westbrook and Harden.

It helped to have KD go against Lebron, but what about all the other match ups where he makes the team worse? Even when he was scoring 40 points a game, the team wasn't playing amazing.

Warriors are about 30 and 4 without KD. But only like 18 and 11 without Curry.
That right there should tell you everything you need to know.. Curry can score 0 points in a half and still seem more effective for the team than when Durant goes for 45.

No KD is not the best player in the world. That's just another buzz word. Lebron is such a shadow of himself now and all they did was switch names from Lebron to KD.

[ArbitraryWater]

"KD couldn't beat the Warriors when they didn't have KD"

Shockingly true.

KD couldn't beat the Warriors when they didn't have KD, so how should LeBron be expected to beat them WITH KD, unless he is expected to be a FAR better player than KD?

Very interesting.

[ImKobe]

What is this based on, one game against Portland (who's coming off a Game 7 with 1 day of rest) at home? A road win against a Houston squad that lost by 39 at home to Kawhi-less Spurs just a few years ago?

Do I need to remind OP that the 2016 Warriors won 3 straight Playoff games by 33, 12 & 11 points with Curry out and were basically 6 - 2 without him in the Playoffs? (he played less than 20 minutes in the two wins, shot 2-9 with 5 TOs in one of them).

Oh wait, he was also injured for the first 6 games of the Playoffs last year, where the Warriors were 5 - 1 without him that included a 4 - 1 series win against the Spurs and a 22-pt win against the Pelicans that swept the Blazers, all blowout wins too... :kobe:

[Nikola_]

Going by record, actually he didnt account for more winning. They maxed out at 73 wins, and they would win next year 65ish regardless. He is there only bc of finals. We act like warriors werent ATG before Durant, and somehow we say, they dont need him. Of course, for 80% of time, they dont

[ArbitraryWater]

What is this based on, one game against Portland (who's coming off a Game 7 with 1 day of rest) at home? A road win against a Houston squad that lost by 39 at home to Kawhi-less Spurs just a few years ago?

Do I need to remind OP that the 2016 Warriors won 3 straight Playoff games by 33, 12 & 11 points with Curry out and were basically 6 - 2 without him in the Playoffs? (he played less than 20 minutes in the two wins, shot 2-9 with 5 TOs in one of them).

Oh wait, he was also injured for the first 6 games of the Playoffs last year, where the Warriors were 5 - 1 without him that included a 4 - 1 series win against the Spurs and a 22-pt win against the Pelicans that swept the Blazers, all blowout wins too... :kobe:

You didn't make any arguments against the OP, lol.

Only for it.

That the Warriors are a great team, with or without Durant.


All the evidence points to it.

Crushed teams before KD, back to back finalists... Crushed teams 30-4 without KD during his tenure, crushed the Blazers in the 2017 playoffs without KD, now crushed the Rockets and Blazers in the 2019 playoffs without KD, 1-0 on the road in Houston without KD and 0-2 with KD.

KD doesn't have a legacy.

He's just eating off someone else's plate. Someone else's established work.

He's only necessary for facing LeBron, and even there he lived off Curry's motion/system, like any other match-up.

[ImKobe]

You didn't make any arguments against the OP, lol.

Only for it.

That the Warriors are a great team, with or without Durant.


All the evidence points to it.

Crushed teams before KD, back to back finalists... Crushed teams 30-4 without KD during his tenure, crushed the Blazers in the 2017 playoffs without KD, now crushed the Rockets and Blazers in the 2019 playoffs without KD, 1-0 on the road in Houston without KD and 0-2 with KD.

KD doesn't have a legacy.

He's just eating off someone else's plate. Someone else's established work.

He's only necessary for facing LeBron, and even there he lived off Curry's motion/system, like any other match-up.


Warriors don't need KD until they run into a contender... You can give me RS stats but the Playoffs show that the Warriors are still dominant without Curry against the likes of Houston, Portland, San Antonio & New Orleans.

Portland has never been able to stop GS, whether Curry's playing or not so I don't see how any of this proves that they don't need KD. They sure needed KD in the 2016 Finals.

You think this Warriors roster will beat Milwaukee in the Finals without HCA? How long before Iggy breaks down playing 40 minutes a game at his age?

They only won ONE championship without Durant, and that's going through an injured Western Conference and an injured Cavs' squad. They had their most dominant Playoff run and the most dominant in the history of the league (16 - 1) with him dominating Lebron in the Finals. Take off KD from the 2017 Warriors, you really think they're beating Cleveland?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You didn't make any arguments against the OP, lol.

Only for it.

That the Warriors are a great team, with or without Durant.


All the evidence points to it.

Crushed teams before KD, back to back finalists... Crushed teams 30-4 without KD during his tenure, crushed the Blazers in the 2017 playoffs without KD, now crushed the Rockets and Blazers in the 2019 playoffs without KD, 1-0 on the road in Houston without KD and 0-2 with KD.

KD doesn't have a legacy.

He's just eating off someone else's plate. Someone else's established work.

He's only necessary for facing LeBron, and even there he lived off Curry's motion/system, like any other match-up.

Makes sense.

Durant is better at stacking the deck and joining super teams. LeBron is the 2nd GOAT, behind KD in that regard. No shame in that :confusedshrug:

[yeaaaman]

Are we talking regular season or...?

If he leaves next year we should expect the Warriors to win 70-75 games next year right?

Before they got him they were 1-1 in the finals. Not a dynasty. They went from losing to Lebron to crushing Lebron. I don't think it's a coincidence that they had KD.

Draymond and others can say they didn't need him but I don't think that's true. I mean, if they want to be unbeatable they do. This Blazers team is not as good as the Lebron led Cavs team so winning 1 game against them for example isn't indicative of being a dynasty or "better" without KD.

[yeaaaman]

You didn't make any arguments against the OP, lol.

Only for it.

That the Warriors are a great team, with or without Durant.


All the evidence points to it.

Crushed teams before KD, back to back finalists... Crushed teams 30-4 without KD during his tenure, crushed the Blazers in the 2017 playoffs without KD, now crushed the Rockets and Blazers in the 2019 playoffs without KD, 1-0 on the road in Houston without KD and 0-2 with KD.

KD doesn't have a legacy.

He's just eating off someone else's plate. Someone else's established work.

He's only necessary for facing LeBron, and even there he lived off Curry's motion/system, like any other match-up.


After a while I think it's fair to say the regular season only matters but so much to great teams. If the Warriors want to be remembered for going 30-4 without KD in the regular season or whatever that's setting the bar extremely low. Who cares that you can beat Phx or the Hornets in the regular season without KD? If you're trying to create a real legacy like you put it then rings are what matters. GSW was 1-1 before they had KD.

They beat a Lebron solo act team in 6 games and Curry still couldn't win FMVP and then they lost to the Cavs in 7 the next year choking worse than KD did the round before. That's not particularly dynastic. They were great but I always though winning 73 games in the regular season then calling them the greatest team of all time was a bit much - greatest regular season record sure but that great team also had the greatest playoff meltdown of all-time.

Can you beat the best is the question that matters, and I don't think they were a shoe in to beat Lebron every year without KD. We have the evidence that with him they were.

So yea, he's greatly benefited from playing in GSW but their plate wasn't established to the way it is now. All of them have had their ring total enhanced by playing with him. Or maybe 2 games against HOU and 1 against a fairly weak Blazers team (for a Conference Finalist) is more "established work" than the last 2 titles :confusedshrug: