Why is it ok for

[Big164]

But Steph & KD is considered stacking the deck & totally unfair?

[TheCorporation]

Which year did Kareem blow a 3-1 lead to Magic before joining him

[Im so nba'd out]

Steph did more than Magic without KD (1-1 +73 wins) than he did without Kareem(0-1).

Steph is really going to go down as the best pg of all-time when he retires.It really just hit me like a ton of bricks.His resume is already up there with magic right now.

[Manny98]

Magic didn't choose to play for the Lakers he got drafted

Lakers weren't even that good before Magic came whilst the Warriors won 73 games

[bison]

Remember when magic was traded to the lakers in his prime to help the lakers win in 87? Neither do I.

[kennethgriffen]

teams formed naturally ala drafting/trading for equal value at the time i.e. natural formations are ok because its of circumstance

only colluded superteams like KD and bran created are unnatural acts that are punishable via asterisks

[Hey Yo]

Steph did more than Magic without KD (1-1 +73 wins) than he did without Kareem(0-1).

Steph is really going to go down as the best pg of all-time when he retires.It really just hit me like a ton of bricks.His resume is already up there with magic right now.
He's not a PG. He just plays one on TV.

[Big164]

Steph did more than Magic without KD (1-1 +73 wins) than he did without Kareem(0-1).

Steph is really going to go down as the best pg of all-time when he retires.It really just hit me like a to of bricks.His resume is already up there with magic right now.
^^This

People dont realize it yet

[warriorfan]

Steph did more than Magic without KD (1-1 +73 wins) than he did without Kareem(0-1).

Steph is really going to go down as the best pg of all-time when he retires.It really just hit me like a ton of bricks.His resume is already up there with magic right now.

Pretty high iq post and topic

[Zeppelin]

Magic didn't choose to play for the Lakers he got drafted

Lakers weren't even that good before Magic came whilst the Warriors won 73 games

Magic absolutely chose to play for the Lakers, he threatened to back out of the draft if a bad team got the first pick. Not even that good... the arguably GOAT at that point played for the Lakers. Said GOAT candidate won the MVP in Magic's rookie season.

[Hey Yo]

Magic absolutely chose to play for the Lakers, he threatened to back out of the draft if a bad team got the first pick. Not even that good... the arguably GOAT at that point played for the Lakers. Said GOAT candidate won the MVP in Magic's rookie season.

Magic Johnson would have returned to Michigan State rather than play for the Chicago Bulls.

"I'd have stayed in school," he said here Tuesday, standing alone outside Gate 3 1/2 of Chicago Stadium, the house that could have been his. "A coin toss changed the course of my whole life."

Chicago called heads in a 1979 coin flip with Los Angeles for the No. 1 pick in the NBA college draft. It came up tails.

Johnson signed with the Lakers after his sophomore year of college and proceeded to win five championships. The Bulls picked second, took UCLA's David Greenwood and have won no championships.

"I wouldn't have played here," Johnson said on the eve of Game 2 of the NBA finals between his team and the team that could have been his. "The only reason I came out was to play with Kareem and the Lakers.

"The next year, I think the first pick belonged to Utah. I could have ended up Utah's Earvin (Magic) Johnson. How does that sound?"

Pretty good--in Utah.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-06-05-sp-83-story.html

He would have done what Kobe was going to do, but Kobe was going to play overseas if he didn't get to play for the Lakers.

[Hey Yo]

But Steph & KD is considered stacking the deck & totally unfair?
Magic wasn't in the league yet and had no NBA accolades like KD did.

Plus Kareem didn't beg Magic to come play for the Lakers like Curry did, just after winning a title with 2 other All-NBA players + a 6th man FMVP.

HUGE difference.

[The Iron Fist]

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-06-05-sp-83-story.html

He would have done what Kobe was going to do, but Kobe was going to play overseas if he didn't get to play for the Lakers.
So a 17 year old kid who was unproven at the college level held the nba at ransom as the 13th pick in the draft?:roll:

[iamgine]

But Steph & KD is considered stacking the deck & totally unfair?
Well if Steph is drafted to a 47-35 team already led by KD, then it would be similar situation to Magic and Kareem.

[eliteballer]

Because Kareem was well into his 30

[Hey Yo]

So a 17 year old kid who was unproven at the college level held the nba at ransom as the 13th pick in the draft?:roll:
Well....... when you tell every team not named the Lakers not to draft you, then that's being a douche bag.

Calipari and the Nets wanted to take him 8th and he could have started his rookie year. Could have turned a garbage franchise into a possible contender. Instead he choose to ride the bench, pass out towels and water during timeouts for 2yrs for the 2nd most successful franchise in NBA history.

Fierce competitor??? :oldlol:

[bizil]

It's not about forming a superteam. Superteams have ALWAYS been around for the most part. The Lakers front office traded for Kareem. And from there drafted Magic later. In the case of KD, it's about his competitive nature. He was on a team in OKC that had a 3-1 lead on GS in the West Finals. OKC-GS was THE SERIES everybody wanted to see out West. GS was a title winning team who set the regular season wins record. So OKC was seen as THE TEAM out West who could stop them.

BUT OKC choked and lost the series. So when KD JOINS THEM, it just called into question his competitive nature. If KD left to join another team, no big deal. BUT to join the team that ruined your season and title hopes in that type of situation had never been done before in the NBA.

NO WAY would MJ have joined the Pistons if he could have. NO WAY does Dr. J join the Lakers if he could have. Because they were already on teams in the title hunt. And their COMPETITIVE nature wouldn't have allowed it in the FIRST DAMN PLACE!!!

[The Iron Fist]

Well....... when you tell every team not named the Lakers not to draft you, then that's being a douche bag.

Calipari and the Nets wanted to take him 8th and he could have started his rookie year. Could have turned a garbage franchise into a possible contender. Instead he choose to ride the bench, pass out towels and water during timeouts for 2yrs for the 2nd most successful franchise in NBA history.

Fierce competitor??? :oldlol:
So he was drafted by the Lakers?:cheers:

[Hey Yo]

So he was drafted by the Lakers?:cheers:
Smart of you to take the L

[DaHeezy]

KD can do whatever TF he likes. If he stayed on OKC he'd be a annual loser. An opportunity presented itself. Take it. He owes fans nothing

Durant's moves reflect how the world operates today. Achieve success despite how it outwardly looks.

[The Iron Fist]

Smart of you to take the L
:facepalm Kobe was not drafted by the Lakers.

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm Kobe was not drafted by the Lakers.
Technically no, but LA told Charlotte to draft him so they could trade Divac for Kobe cause they knew Shaq coming to LA was pretty much a done deal so they had no use for Vlade.


:cry: "don't draft me NJ, I'll only sign with the Lakers" :cry:

[The Iron Fist]

Technically no, but LA told Charlotte to draft him so they could trade Divac for Kobe cause they knew Shaq coming to LA was pretty much a done deal so they had no use for Vlade.


:cry: "don't draft me NJ, I'll only sign with the Lakers" :cry:
So a 17 year old kid, unproven at the college level, controlled 2 nba franchises. :roll:

I mean, if thats how you want to play it. Even more proof then that Kobe>>>>LeGM.


Kobe was so good he was able to dictate where he went to, and still ended up with a better finals record than 3-6.:cheers:

[Hey Yo]

So a 17 year old kid, unproven at the college level, controlled 2 nba franchises. :roll:

I mean, if thats how you want to play it. Even more proof then that Kobe>>>>LeGM.


Kobe was so good he was able to dictate where he went to, and still ended up with a better finals record than 3-6.:cheers:
It's called Facts, chico.

Yep Kobe dictated his way to the 2nd most successful franchise and was carried to 3 rings his first 7yrs.

LeBron signed 2 contracts and carried that garbage franchise to the Finals in his first 7yrs where they've never been before.

One was carried (Kobe) while the other did the carrying (LeBron)

3 franchise player rings (LeBron) >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 franchise player rings (Kobe)

Once again, nothing but facts being presented. You should have taken the L while you had the chance instead of making yourself look even more foolish.

end of lesson.

[TheCorporation]

It's called Facts, chico.

Yep Kobe dictated his way to the 2nd most successful franchise and was carried to 3 rings his first 7yrs.

LeBron signed 2 contracts and carried that garbage franchise to the Finals in his first 7yrs where they've never been before.

One was carried (Kobe) while the other did the carrying (LeBron)

3 franchise player rings (LeBron) >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 franchise player rings (Kobe)

Once again, nothing but facts being presented. You should have taken the L while you had the chance instead of making yourself look even more foolish.

end of lesson.


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[The Iron Fist]

It's called Facts, chico.

Yep Kobe dictated his way to the 2nd most successful franchise and was carried to 3 rings his first 7yrs.

LeBron signed 2 contracts and carried that garbage franchise to the Finals in his first 7yrs where they've never been before.

One was carried (Kobe) while the other did the carrying (LeBron)

3 franchise player rings (LeBron) >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 franchise player rings (Kobe)

Once again, nothing but facts being presented. You should have taken the L while you had the chance instead of making yourself look even more foolish.

end of lesson.
Facts. Kobe was not drafted by LA like you thought he was.

[TheCorporation]

Facts. Kobe was not drafted by LA like you thought he was.

Everyone knows he wasn't drafted by the Lakers you moron but did he ever play a game for another team? :hammerhead:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Technically no but LA told Charlotte to draft him so they could trade Divac for Kobe cause they knew Shaq coming to LA was pretty much a done deal so they had no use for Vlade.


:cry: "don't draft me NJ, I'll only sign with the Lakers" :cry:

Should have ended right there.

Too many words for saying you were wrong.

[3ball]

It's called Facts, chico.

Yep Kobe dictated his way to the 2nd most successful franchise and was carried to 3 rings his first 7yrs.

LeBron signed 2 contracts and carried that garbage franchise to the Finals in his first 7yrs where they've never been before.

One was carried (Kobe) while the other did the carrying (LeBron)

3 franchise player rings (LeBron) >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 franchise player rings (Kobe)

Once again, nothing but facts being presented. You should have taken the L while you had the chance instead of making yourself look even more foolish.

end of lesson.
Lebron only carried a weak team to the Finals once when everyone else was doing it - 5 weak teams made the Finals from 01-09' (AI, Dwight, Lebron, Kidd) - but even though a good team wasn't needed to win this weak conference, Lebron lost in 09/10' and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

So don't give me the played out "lebron carries teams to the Finals" fairytale - that was never true and was exposed this year in the West.. and he only beat the West 3 times in his career anyway (3/9), so he would only make 3 Finals if he was out West for his career.. that's why Finals record matters - otherwise your Finals appearances are conference-dependant

[Koresh]

Kevin Durant's titles are like putting your 5 favorite players on your favorite team in NBA 2K, starting MyLeague, and winning consecutive titles. Yes, it's great I went 82-0. Yes, it's great I went 16-0. You won your titles and you feel validated, but you also feel guilty because I couldn't win with the team I had, so I had to stack the deck. I can't win with these cats.

I am sure KD is satisfied winning his rings and FMVPs, but he did say the validation and love he wanted from himself and fans wasn't there when he won in 2017. I don't blame him if he left the Warriors. I don't give a **** how many titles he wins with the Warriors in the next decade. He will never be seen as a top 10 player of all-time in my eyes or a lot of folks' eyes.

The Warriors won a title without him and will probably again if he doesn't come back (highly unlikely since the Bucks are going to win this year regardless).

Magic Johnson was an unproven rookie and it was rare what he did his first season. It doesn't matter if he forced his way to LA or not. He didn't lose a series the previous season against the Lakers on another team and then joined LA via free agency. Kareem was still elite, but was not in his prime. Magic was that team moving forward and those teams had crazy depth. Shit, I wish my 3rd option was James Worthy.

It's not the same thing and never will be the same. Also, people don't have Kareem as their GOAT because he couldn't win more than one ring in the worst era in NBA history according to a lot of people, e.g. the 1970s. He won one title with Oscar Robertson, let that sink in. A lot of people use that argument.

Let's be clear. If the Bulls didn't make it to the finals in 1991, Magic would have 6 rings. They would have swept Detroit.

[And1AllDay]

Lebron only carried a weak team to the Finals once when everyone else was doing it - 5 weak teams made the Finals from 01-09' (AI, Dwight, Lebron, Kidd) - but even though a good team wasn't needed to win this weak conference, Lebron lost in 09/10' and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

So don't give me the played out "lebron carries teams to the Finals" fairytale - that was never true and was exposed this year in the West.. and he only beat the West 3 times in his career anyway (3/9), so he would only make 3 Finals if he was out West for his career.. that's why Finals record matters - otherwise your Finals appearances are conference-dependant

2007

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[RealSkipBayless]

If you think what Kevin Durant did was bad

In reality, what LeBron did was worse

LeBron left his hometown team to join the players with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league (Wade and Bosh)

That would be the same as Curry leaving his hometown to join OKC (joining with the 2nd and 4th highest PER)

[SouBeachTalents]

If you think what Kevin Durant did was bad

In reality, what LeBron did was worse

LeBron left his hometown team to join the players with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league (Wade and Bosh)

That would be the same as Curry leaving his hometown to join OKC (joining with the 2nd and 4th highest PER)
Then hopefully somebody like Kawhi or Kyrie joins the Warriors next year, because neither Durant or Curry were top 10 in PER this season, so it'd be very acceptable by these standards

[Mr.GOAT2408]

This talking point would have some merit if Curry was better than Magic and Durant was better than Kareem, but neither of them are better :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

This talking point would have some merit if Curry was better than Magic and Durant was better than Kareem, but neither of them are better :confusedshrug:

Is it possible they pass them tho?

[Big164]

Steph and KD have NEVER lost a playoff series together. Ever! Some people whisper they are unbeatable...But neither are considered the GOAT at their position or top 10 overall for that matter.

Magic and Kareem both Top 5 tho...

[nayte]

Magic didn't choose to play for the Lakers he got drafted

Lakers weren't even that good before Magic came whilst the Warriors won 73 games

This is wrong but anyway

[MrFonzworth]

Its not okay. Its part of the problem.

[nayte]

Is it possible they pass them tho?

It is possible but unlikely. It will change a lot of narratives either way which would be funny