i admit kobe isn't top 5. but neither is lebron... and neither guy ever should be

[kennethgriffen]

if we're going strictly on a consensus theres no way a guy that didn't change the game or even elevate it that lost more than he won in one of the worst eras should be considered a top 5 all time player. especially one that cheated for all his success and got bailed out



at the same time i'll also admit kobe can't be considered top 5 strictly due to a lack of media awards due to being blackballed




i think neither can can be vaulted ahead of jordan... duh


or kareem and russell due to them both having 6+ rings and like 5+ league mvps with winning finals records while also being 2 of the top 5 defensive anchors in history. their careers are just too accomplished.


and i also think Magic and Bird revolutionized the game. they made the nba. they're on that other stratosphere in terms of importance. they should get the nod


Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Bird



kobe, lebron, duncan, shaq shouldn't be given the nod just because of some new age bias over those 5... and the only reason i don't have wilt 6th is because he's a choker


its time for bran stans to stop insulting the pioneers of basketball as well



that being said i still think skill wise kobes the GOAT. but all time lists are based on historical impact and individual resumes


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/2e/1d/452e1dbe53bd8ca6bfa3d3a7aca3edf5.jpg

https://iconomy.com/file/Bill-Russell-Through-the-Years-9-12.jpg

[paksat]

I was with you till the black balling part

least you admit it though, bron stans are delusional nerds that think the earth is flatter than flat

[superduper]

I was with you till the black balling part

least you admit it though, bron stans are delusional nerds that think the earth is flatter than flat

Playoff series wins.

Playoff steals.

Gamescore.

VORP.

DRTING :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[kennethgriffen]

I was with you till the black balling part

least you admit it though, bron stans are delusional nerds that think the earth is flatter than flat


the media didn't blackball kobe for the 2006 mvp?


jesus. even bill simmons admitted that much

[paksat]

the media didn't blackball kobe for the 2006 mvp?


jesus. even bill simmons admitted that much

I mean does 1 time really count that much?

kobe should have won it, I don't like the guy but I readily admit he should have won it

[ArbitraryWater]

I was with you till the black balling part

least you admit it though, bron stans are delusional nerds that think the earth is flatter than flat

admit what? he said kobe cant be top 5 because of black balling :roll: :roll:


dumbass

[FKAri]

They're just some nigguhs who threw orange balls at a hoop. It's of no consequence. It's a big world. Focus on something else. Jesus.

[Smoke117]

They're just some nigguhs who threw orange balls at a hoop. It's of no consequence. It's a big world. Focus on something else. Jesus.

/thread

[kennethgriffen]

I mean does 1 time really count that much?

kobe should have won it, I don't like the guy but I readily admit he should have won it


2006 was a given

2003, 2007, 2009, 2013 were arguable


if kobe was beloved by the media i could see him winning 2006 and at the very least one of those other 4 years



2-3 league mvps would have automatically placed kobe ahead of bird on everyones list ... even the old heads

[ImKobe]

https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRrSvJUa0crqw4E/giphy.gif

[TheCorporation]

Playoff series wins.

Playoff steals.

Gamescore.

VORP.

DRTING :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


Elimination game ppg

Game winners

Points

Triple doubles

Keep melting baby boy :D

[Celtics 1825]

At least you admitted Kobe isn't top 5. It's a start.

[Manny98]

Kobe is not top 5 no shit you finally figured that out :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Kobe? :lol

When was Kobe ever top 10 let alone 5?

Top 3 Consensus = Bron
Top 12 Consensus = Kobe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

All the time you spent here, propping up Kobe, only to admit he isn't even Top 5.

Damn. My condolences.

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe is not top 5 no shit you finally figured that out :oldlol:


well its impossible to be top 5 without media support


not really anything kobe could have done other than play on more stacked teams throughout his career in a weaker conference ... then he might have a bunch of league mvps


we can't all take the easy road and be 100% healthy pumped full of roids 24/7, 365 days a year


if lebron won more finals than he lost he surely would have made the top 5


but he's a finals failure so he falls under the poor mans wilt ( top 8-10 range )

[TheCorporation]

12be

http://i67.tinypic.com/dbntvp.jpg

[kennethgriffen]

12be

http://i67.tinypic.com/dbntvp.jpg




henry abbott got fired for this

[TheCorporation]

henry abbott got fired for this

Why, because Kobe was too high? :lol

[kennethgriffen]

Why, because Kobe was too high? :lol


i think its cause he's just a troll like you and they were bleeding money from subscription losses so they had to cut guys that were worthless


if FS1 ever had to trim the fat you know for a fact nick wright would be on the chopping block before a big name guy

[TheCorporation]

i think its cause he's just a troll like you and they were bleeding money from subscription losses so they had to cut guys that were worthless


if FS1 ever had to trim the fat you know for a fact nick wright would be on the chopping block before a big name guy

How is it trolling when nearly every single sports outlet agrees he is top 10 to 12? I can find the threads and rebump them...

ESPN (12)
Sports Geek (Missed top 10)
CBS Sports (12)
Ranker (11)
Bleacher Report (11)

Dude, in 2015 LeBron was 7 and Kobe was 11

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time#slide92

Please...It's just facts and I'm not trolling. I don't hate you I just think you're a fu**ing moron.

[kennethgriffen]

How is it trolling when nearly every single sports outlet agrees he is top 10 to 12? I can find the threads and rebump them...

ESPN (12)
Sports Geek (Missed top 10)
CBS Sports (12)
Ranker (11)
Bleacher Report (11)

Dude, in 2015 LeBron was 7 and Kobe was 11

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time#slide92

Please...It's just facts and I'm not trolling. I don't hate you I just think you're a fu**ing moron.


the average fan/player/coach/and all the guys on those lists say kobes top 10 and some have him top 5 or even right there with MJ


only guys like nick wright, henry abbott, colin cowherd make these lists having kobe outside of the top 10. its just simply not accurate. even you know it