its actually incredibly hard to lose 6 times in the finals

[kennethgriffen]

you have to be some kind of ultimate f*ck up to even lose more than 4 tbh

just look at this list of the top 50


Player/Finals Lost/Finals Played/Finals Won/Winning %



Jerry West 8 9 1 .111
Elgin Baylor 7 7 - .000
LeBron James 6 9 3 .333
Larry Foust 5 5 - .000
Keith Erickson 4 4 - .000
Rudy LaRusso 4 4 - .000
Steve Mix 4 4 - .000
Max Zaslofsky 4 4 - .000
Danny Ainge 4 6 2 .333
Wilt Chamberlain 4 6 2 .333
Mel Counts 4 6 2 .333
Magic Johnson 4 9 5 .556
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4 10 6 .600
14. Nathaniel Clifton 3 3 - .000
Darryl Dawkins 3 3 - .000
Harry Gallatin 3 3 - .000
Tom Hawkins 3 3 - .000
Hot Rod Hundley 3 3 - .000
Darrall Imhoff 3 3 - .000
Caldwell Jones 3 3 - .000
Jim King 3 3 - .000
Jim Krebs 3 3 - .000
Karl Malone 3 3 - .000
Dick McGuire 3 3 - .000
Sam Perkins 3 3 - .000
Bryon Russell 3 3 - .000
Brian Scalabrine 3 3 - .000
Eric Snow 3 3 - .000
Ernie Vandeweghe 3 3 - .000
Gene Wiley 3 3 - .000
LeRoy Ellis 3 4 1 .250
Julius Erving 3 4 1 .250
Gail Goodrich 3 4 1 .250
Cliff Hagan 3 4 1 .250
Richard Jefferson 3 4 1 .250
Kendrick Perkins 3 4 1 .250
Bob Pettit 3 4 1 .250
Andy Phillip 3 4 1 .250
Connie Simmons 3 4 1 .250
J.R. Smith 3 4 1 .250
Tristan Thompson 3 4 1 .250
Wes Unseld 3 4 1 .250
Dick Barnett 3 5 2 .400
Dennis Johnson 3 6 3 .500
James Jones 3 6 3 .500
James Worthy 3 6 3 .500
Michael Cooper 3 8 5 .625
Derek Fisher 3 8 5 .625
Mahdi Abdul-Rahman 2 2 - .000
Al Attles 2 2 - .000



so basically only 4 guys have more than 4


Foust
Baylor
Lebron
West


notice a commonality among them? they're all either ringless or have just ONE legit title

thats how hard it is to do what they've done. you literally have to lose nearly every finals series to get over 6... its so insanely great in a f*cked up way

[kennethgriffen]

shit even more than 3 seems like some kind of historic accomplishment. most of the list is 3 and under

[3ball]

It means that he isn't doing something right

All those year playing.............


but only 3 rings..

mostly losses and underdog status.. a perennial whipping boy


All those years and nothing to show for it means he isn't doing something right - specifically, his ball-dominant, stat accumulation prevents his teams from playing a brand that can win frequently (ball movement)

[TheCorporation]

Wow he only has more FMVPs than Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant, Hakeem Olajuwon, Wilt Chamberlain! So wait, how many players have more than LeBron?

Just one in NBA history?

Okay...Hmm. How many players have more than 6911 post season points? 10 game winners? 411 steals?

Oh :(

[egokiller]

It means that he isn't doing something right

All those year playing.............


but only 3 rings..

mostly losses and underdog status.. a perennial whipping boy


All those years and nothing to show for it means he isn't doing something right - specifically, his ball-dominant, stat accumulation prevents his teams from playing a brand that can win frequently (ball movement)

This. No one gives a shit about individual accolades like FMVP or MVP if you aren't good enough to get those WHILE still winning more than you lose. A guy like MJ did so much more with so much less during a time when you were actually allowed to play defense and walked away 6/6 with 6 FMVP like it didn't even matter considering he worked with Pippen on his own time and built his wins by his own doing while never losing in the finals. Really puts it into perspective the mediocrity we have to watch today compared to the standard MJ set back then.

[highwhey]

it's also very difficult to be a functional adult when you have severe autism, but you've done it OP, congrats :applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

This. No one gives a shit about individual accolades like FMVP or MVP if you aren't good enough to get those WHILE still winning more than you lose. A guy like MJ did so much more with so much less during a time when you were actually allowed to play defense and walked away 6/6 like it didn't even matter. Really puts it into perspective the mediocrity we have to watch today compared to the standard MJ set back then.
Jordan did lose more than he won. He won 6 titles in 15 seasons. First round losses & missing the playoffs count as losing too

[The Iron Fist]

Wow he only has more FMVPs than Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant, Hakeem Olajuwon, Wilt Chamberlain! So wait, how many players have more than LeBron?

Just one in NBA history?

Okay...Hmm. How many players have more than 6911 post season points? 10 game winners? 411 steals?

Oh :(
You are hurted. Take a break from the 3-6 reality.

[egokiller]

Jordan did lose more than he won. He won 6 titles in 15 seasons. First round losses & missing the playoffs count as losing too

Wrong, we are talking about winning vs losing on the stage where it matters most. Any time he had a team good enough to help him get to the finals, he delivered. The cherry on the top is that he developed Pippen on his own time because he wanted to do whatever it took to win. Compare that to the mediocrity we are left with today. 6 finals losses with only 3 wins? If that's the best you can show me then might as well take that free fan night appreciation T-Shirt and head on home.....

[egokiller]

it's also very difficult to be a functional adult when you have severe autism, but you've done it OP, congrats :applause:

Wrong, he understands simple math while others like bronsexuals fail to comprehend it. :roll:

The lack of understanding that losing more than you win on the biggest stage = mediocrity is quite comical.

[Spurs m8]

6!!!!

He's LOST SIX AHAHAHAHAHAH

Got bailed out twice too - with the biggest shots in NBA history....on top of the colluding.

Comes West and can't even make the playoffs hahahahaah

[bullettooth]

Not hard to lose 6 finals when youre LeBron.

[StrongLurk]

It's not a diss saying someone lost 6 finals...

It's about how many you've won as the main guy. Most superstars don't even make the finals...

[FKAri]

Wrong, we are talking about winning vs losing on the stage where it matters most. Any time he had a team good enough to help him get to the finals, he delivered. The cherry on the top is that he developed Pippen on his own time because he wanted to do whatever it took to win. Compare that to the mediocrity we are left with today. 6 finals losses with only 3 wins? If that's the best you can show me then might as well take that free fan night appreciation T-Shirt and head on home.....
What kind of inbred logic are you using here? :oldlol:

Might as well turn around and say that, "whenever Lebron had a team good enough to win a ring, he did." Which is an equally stupid statement.

Hell you could say MJ cost the team a ring in 95. His incompetence made them lose. Because when he played better in 96, they won.

[LAmbruh]

Kobe lost to Lebron 16 of 22 times



Or theoretically, 4 Finals in a row (4-1, 4-2 fasion each)



Yikes

[sportjames23]

you have to be some kind of ultimate f*ck up to even lose more than 4 tbh

just look at this list of the top 50


Player/Finals Lost/Finals Played/Finals Won/Winning %



Jerry West 8 9 1 .111
Elgin Baylor 7 7 - .000
LeBron James 6 9 3 .333
Larry Foust 5 5 - .000
Keith Erickson 4 4 - .000
Rudy LaRusso 4 4 - .000
Steve Mix 4 4 - .000
Max Zaslofsky 4 4 - .000
Danny Ainge 4 6 2 .333
Wilt Chamberlain 4 6 2 .333
Mel Counts 4 6 2 .333
Magic Johnson 4 9 5 .556
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4 10 6 .600
14. Nathaniel Clifton 3 3 - .000
Darryl Dawkins 3 3 - .000
Harry Gallatin 3 3 - .000
Tom Hawkins 3 3 - .000
Hot Rod Hundley 3 3 - .000
Darrall Imhoff 3 3 - .000
Caldwell Jones 3 3 - .000
Jim King 3 3 - .000
Jim Krebs 3 3 - .000
Karl Malone 3 3 - .000
Dick McGuire 3 3 - .000
Sam Perkins 3 3 - .000
Bryon Russell 3 3 - .000
Brian Scalabrine 3 3 - .000
Eric Snow 3 3 - .000
Ernie Vandeweghe 3 3 - .000
Gene Wiley 3 3 - .000
LeRoy Ellis 3 4 1 .250
Julius Erving 3 4 1 .250
Gail Goodrich 3 4 1 .250
Cliff Hagan 3 4 1 .250
Richard Jefferson 3 4 1 .250
Kendrick Perkins 3 4 1 .250
Bob Pettit 3 4 1 .250
Andy Phillip 3 4 1 .250
Connie Simmons 3 4 1 .250
J.R. Smith 3 4 1 .250
Tristan Thompson 3 4 1 .250
Wes Unseld 3 4 1 .250
Dick Barnett 3 5 2 .400
Dennis Johnson 3 6 3 .500
James Jones 3 6 3 .500
James Worthy 3 6 3 .500
Michael Cooper 3 8 5 .625
Derek Fisher 3 8 5 .625
Mahdi Abdul-Rahman 2 2 - .000
Al Attles 2 2 - .000



so basically only 4 guys have more than 4


Foust
Baylor
Lebron
West


notice a commonality among them? they're all either ringless or have just ONE legit title

thats how hard it is to do what they've done. you literally have to lose nearly every finals series to get over 6... its so insanely great in a f*cked up way


So, what you

[MrFonzworth]

OP on his encounter with Jeremy Lin

https://youtu.be/VxWfU9msMLM

[RealSkipBayless]

It is incredible when you think about it.

Dude faces hardly any 50 win teams, or all-nba players. Basically gets to play scrimmage games to finals every year in the eastern conference. So he is always fresher than who ever comes out of the bloodbath western conference. Has had a minimum of 2 all-stars (in some instances 2 top 5 PER players) on his side. Filled out with a record breaking luxury taxed out rosters built around him of top tier shooters. (Ray Allen, James Jones, Mike Miller, Kyle Korver, Rashard Lewis, JR Smith, George Hill etc).

And somehow he STILL loses. Only winning during a lockout, and with teammates hitting two of the biggest shots in the NBA history. Somehow he is 3-6? Absolute fraud. Only LeStatPad could pull it off.

[Gileraracer]

Lebron cemented top 3 in a list finally :rockon:

[Wally450]

You're right, he should've lost in the first round like MJ and Kobe and taken 2 years off in the middle of his prime. :applause:

[egokiller]

What kind of inbred logic are you using here? :oldlol:

Might as well turn around and say that, "whenever Lebron had a team good enough to win a ring, he did." Which is an equally stupid statement.

Hell you could say MJ cost the team a ring in 95. His incompetence made them lose. Because when he played better in 96, they won.

He had a team good enough to take him all the way to the finals 9 times but his team play was so cancerous he only won 3 times. It's been covered by 3ball 100x over, no need to get back into it.

When MJ had a team good enough to get him to the finals, his team play wasn't cancerous so he won all 6 times.

It's simple math, LeBron just isn't on par with MJ and he never was.

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg

[sportjames23]

First in losing Finals MVP to lesser players. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

First in losing Finals MVP to lesser players. :oldlol:
https://i.postimg.cc/kgcsK6qw/NoPipNoChip.jpg
Also

SILENCE

https://i.postimg.cc/wTqLqW76/SportJamesOwned.png

[Hey Yo]

He had a team good enough to take him all the way to the finals 9 times but his team play was so cancerous he only won 3 times. It's been covered by 3ball 100x over, no need to get back into it.

When MJ had a team good enough to get him to the finals, his team play wasn't cancerous so he won all 6 times.

It's simple math, LeBron just isn't on par with MJ and he never was.
Jordan wasn't good enough to get his team to the Finals 9x. Didn't have the mental toughness to even try to get to 4 in a row cause facts show he quits after 3........ twice

Bulls got further with journeyman Pete Myers taking over for MJ in the 94 season. Took the NYK to 7gms in the semi-finals, while they lost in 6 the following season to Orlando with MJ at the helm........ ouch!!

Let that sink in.

[TheCorporation]

Jordan wasn't good enough to get his team to the Finals 9x. Didn't have the mental toughness to even try to get to 4 in a row cause facts show he quits after 3........ twice

Bulls got further with journeyman Pete Myers taking over for MJ in the 94 season. Took the NYK to 7gms in the semi-finals, while they lost in 6 the following season to Orlando with MJ at the helm........ ouch!!

Let that sink in.

https://i.postimg.cc/KYnny3n6/tenor.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/KYnny3n6/tenor.gif

[paksat]

image MJ getting to hand pick his own team and losing 6 times

anyone?




















































:bowdown:

[sportjames23]

https://i.ibb.co/PwNxghH/Bronloses.jpg

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/PJ5gBRWw/Trans-Bronsexual-2.jpg

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[egokiller]

Jordan wasn't good enough to get his team to the Finals 9x. Didn't have the mental toughness to even try to get to 4 in a row cause facts show he quits after 3........ twice

Bulls got further with journeyman Pete Myers taking over for MJ in the 94 season. Took the NYK to 7gms in the semi-finals, while they lost in 6 the following season to Orlando with MJ at the helm........ ouch!!

Let that sink in.

He left the game after a 3 peat because he was bored and then when Dream was showing promise he came back and 3 peated again and left after the 2nd 3 peat because he was bored yet again.

Meanwhile Lebron can't even 3 peat... something that even Kobe was able to achieve. :roll:

[3ball]

http://i66.tinypic.com/fa9zld.png

*Kareem's finals appearances are off in the second chart. Refer to the first chart. He should have 10. Kareem's rings above expectation total is around +0.9.


http://i67.tinypic.com/2mpg6fm.jpghttp://i64.tinypic.com/15hlhdx.png


*The numbers seem to fluctuate based on the changing ELO rankings and upsets. So in the first chart MJ has +2 rings above expectation and in the second updated chart he has +1.9.

*The Game Score averages above are not adjusted for pace.


Among NBA leaders, Bill Russell has the most rings above expectation with +2.4 (or +2.3), followed by MJ with +1.9 (previously +2.0).

Source:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebrons-finals-record-isnt-really-a-disappointment/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-should-lebrons-finals-record-hurt-his-legacy/