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3ball
05-17-2019, 08:54 AM
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Usage in Playoffs, Finals


Lebron 2016 - 30.7, 33.4
Kyrie m2016 - 30.4, 30.9

Lebron. 2013 - 29.2, 29.7
D Wade 2013 - 25.3, 28.5

Lebron. 2012 - 33.4, 32.0
D Wade 2012 - 29.9, 29.2

Jordan. 1992 - 37.1, 35.9
Pippen. 1992 - 23.6, 25.3


In addition to the usage advantage, MJ also led his team in assist percentage in 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1997, for PO and Finals

sportjames23
05-17-2019, 08:59 AM
3ball spitting out facts. :cheers:

Vino24
05-17-2019, 09:01 AM
2016 meltdown still continuing :eek: :oldlol:

Manny98
05-17-2019, 09:04 AM
D Wade 2013 playoffs: 15.9 ppg

LeBron won with the lowest scoring second option ever on a championship team

LeBron was required to lead his team in everything whilst MJ was only required to lead in scoring so overall LeBron carried a bigger load

Vino24
05-17-2019, 09:06 AM
LeBron is better at elevating his teammates

3ball
05-17-2019, 09:15 AM
D Wade 2013 playoffs: 15.9 ppg

Lebron won with the lowest scoring second option ever on a championship team


Wade averaged 20 in those Finals, which is the same as pippen's high

lebron always needed 2nd options with "lethal" or "clutch" reputations that command double-teams - so he isn't a 1 man show that commands all the defensive attention like MJ..

nayte
05-17-2019, 09:17 AM
LeBron is of fishing. Forget about that and enjoy the play offs. Geez

TheCorporation
05-17-2019, 09:47 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg
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egokiller
05-17-2019, 09:49 AM
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Usage in Playoffs, Finals


Lebron 2016 - 30.7, 33.4
Kyrie m2016 - 30.4, 30.9

Lebron. 2013 - 29.2, 29.7
D Wade 2013 - 25.3, 28.5

Lebron. 2012 - 33.4, 32.0
D Wade 2012 - 29.9, 29.2

Jordan. 1992 - 37.1, 35.9
Pippen. 1992 - 23.6, 25.3


In addition to the usage advantage, MJ also led his team in assist percentage in 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1997, for PO and Finals

Look at that gap between Jordan and Pippen compared to LeBron and the #2 on his team.

If LeBron were good enough, he'd be 10 ppg higher than the #2 and would have won more than 3 rings.

He's just not good enough to do what MJ did and he never was.

Oh well. It's called mediocrity by comparison. :applause:

3ball
05-17-2019, 09:57 AM
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The goat chip required an equal scoring teammate and closer?

So lebron was westbrooking while equal-scoring teammates drew defensive attention away??... no 1-man show???.... got it

bigkingsfan
05-17-2019, 09:59 AM
MJ always needed Pip

TheCorporation
05-17-2019, 10:01 AM
The goat chip required an equal scoring teammate and closer?

So lebron was westbrooking while equal-scoring teammates drew defensive attention away??... no 1-man show???.... got it

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3ball
05-17-2019, 10:11 AM
MJ always needed Pip
MJ needed the least:


1 all-star teammate = 6 rings..... MJ


9 all-star teammates = 6 rings..... Kareem


6 all-star teammates = 6 rings..... Lebron


:confusedshrug:

Vino24
05-17-2019, 10:12 AM
MJ needed his own set of rules

3ball
05-17-2019, 10:15 AM
MJ needed his own set of rules
Beginner basketball - wide open spacing, hands-off defense, no paint-camping, freedom of movement

Advanced basketball - no spacing, legal hand-checking, legal paint-camping, no freedom of movement

bigkingsfan
05-17-2019, 10:18 AM
MJ needed the least:


1 all-star teammate = 6 rings..... MJ


9 all-star teammates = 6 rings..... Kareem


6 all-star teammates = 6 rings..... Lebron


:confusedshrug:
MJ needed the most, had a teammate capable of defensive and all nba first team in the same year.

Hey Yo
05-17-2019, 10:18 AM
Wade averaged 20 in those Finals, which is the same as pippen's high

lebron always needed 2nd options with "lethal" or "clutch" reputations that command double-teams - so he isn't a 1 man show that commands all the defensive attention like MJ..
What year did Kyrie get that reputation?

3ball
05-17-2019, 10:22 AM
What year did Kyrie get that reputation?
Nearly all players lose in their first few years like Curry, Lebron, Jordan, Giannis, Durant, etc

So kyrie was no different

Kyrie would've started winning regardless, just like everyone else did when they got help

The difference with MJ is that he needed the least help to win - 1 all-star teammate = 6 rings ... While lebron had 6 all-star teammates but only 3 rings

superduper
05-17-2019, 10:23 AM
D Wade 2013 playoffs: 15.9 ppg

LeBron won with the lowest scoring second option ever on a championship team

LeBron was required to lead his team in everything whilst MJ was only required to lead in scoring so overall LeBron carried a bigger load

What? Wade won in '06 with 13.8ppg Walker and that's just off the top of my head :biggums:

Bran stans spewing making up Disney fairy tales as usual. Can't take anything these clowns say seriously.

bigkingsfan
05-17-2019, 10:26 AM
What? Wade won in '06 with 13.8ppg Walker and that's just off the top of my head :biggums:

Bran stans spewing making up Disney fairy tales as usual. Can't take anything these clowns say seriously.
Entire Playoffs you dunce

superduper
05-17-2019, 10:29 AM
Entire Playoffs you dunce

Oh so now the first 3 rounds matter but not when Kobe averages 33/7/7 in them :roll: :roll:

Carry on with your agenda

bigkingsfan
05-17-2019, 10:31 AM
Oh so now the first 3 rounds matter but not when Kobe averages 33/7/7 in them :roll: :roll:

Carry on with your agenda
Which playoff year did he average that in?

nayte
05-17-2019, 10:31 AM
I thought op might be the most stupid then manny comes along and one ups him

3ball
05-17-2019, 10:33 AM
Entire Playoffs you dunce
Tony Parker 15.5 in 2003.. and there's numerous others

And only Jordan 3-peated with his 2nd option getting 17 on 40.8% like pippen in the 96-98' playoffs.. and rodman was also MIA (4/8 in 97' playoffs and wasn't the starter in 98' playoffs)

Only MJ won multiple chips with shit help like that because his teams had goat teamwork.. this required goat skill from MJ to fit the scoring champ production into a championship system.. only the bulls won rings with a league scoring champ (edit: Shaq and Kareem's squads did it once each in their peak seasons of 00' and 71')
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superduper
05-17-2019, 10:36 AM
Which playoff year did he average that in?

Sorry 32/7/6

http://i.imgur.com/rtMHG2O.jpg

Hey Yo
05-17-2019, 10:45 AM
Nearly all players lose in their first few years like Curry, Lebron, Jordan, Giannis, Durant, etc

So kyrie was no different

Kyrie would've started winning regardless, just like everyone else did when they got help

The difference with MJ is that he needed the least help to win - 1 all-star teammate = 6 rings ... While lebron had 6 all-star teammates but only 3 rings
That doesn't answer my question, Mr. Clown shoes

What year (before being a teammate of LeBron's) was Kyrie known for being clutch like you said he is?? Was it right around the time he became an "elite playmaker" like you also said he is??

3ball
05-17-2019, 11:06 AM
That doesn't answer my question, Mr. Clown shoes

What year (before being a teammate of LeBron's) was Kyrie known for being clutch like you said he is?? Was it right around the time he became an "elite playmaker" like you also said he is??
Kyrie was all-star MVP in 2014, so that's when the world was introduced to kyrie's assassin mentality

egokiller
05-17-2019, 11:09 AM
I thought op might be the most stupid then manny comes along and one ups him

To be fair Manny lives in the Philippines and has never seen a live NBA game in his life.

He tries to hang, just not very well.

E_Stamkos
05-17-2019, 11:37 AM
D Wade 2013 playoffs: 15.9 ppg

LeBron won with the lowest scoring second option ever on a championship team

LeBron was required to lead his team in everything whilst MJ was only required to lead in scoring so overall LeBron carried a bigger load

Your mother's booty hole carried the bigger load

TheCorporation
05-17-2019, 11:49 AM
That doesn't answer my question, Mr. Clown shoes

What year (before being a teammate of LeBron's) was Kyrie known for being clutch like you said he is?? Was it right around the time he became an "elite playmaker" like you also said he is??

Caught :lol

:lebronamazed:

Bron fam stays winning

:hammertime:

TheCorporation
05-17-2019, 11:50 AM
To be fair Manny lives in the Philippines and has never seen a live NBA game in his life.

He tries to hang, just not very well.


INTHIDE HOOPTH lispy ghey boi

StrongLurk
05-17-2019, 11:59 AM
MJ is GOAT, but 95 percent of 3balls posts have nothing to do with MJ being GOAT

TheCorporation
05-17-2019, 12:01 PM
6,911 points (1st)
10 game winners (1st)
400 steals (1st)

The bar has been set. Good luck

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egokiller
05-17-2019, 12:04 PM
INTHIDE HOOPTH lispy ghey boi

Meltdown.

No lisp here you deaf mute.

https://vimeo.com/267353045

Now get back in your wheelchair. :roll:

3/9

TheCorporation
05-17-2019, 12:24 PM
Meltdown.

No lisp here you deaf mute.

https://vimeo.com/267353045

Now get back in your wheelchair. :roll:

3/9


Where's your INTHIDE HOOPTH! Shout vid then? :lol

egokiller
05-17-2019, 12:53 PM
Where's your INTHIDE HOOPTH! Shout vid then? :lol

I forgot the vimeo link but even that video there was no lisp. Have you talked to your doctor about your hearing? Reading posts on ISH all day and actually hearing vocals are not the same. May wanna get that looked into if you think your are hearing things that no one else hears.

TheCorporation
05-17-2019, 12:55 PM
I forgot the vimeo link but even that video there was no lisp. Have you talked to your doctor about your hearing? Reading posts on ISH all day and actually hearing vocals are not the same. May wanna get that looked into if you think your are hearing things that no one else hears.

So your lispy sounding video just disappeard amirite? :lol

Pathetic

egokiller
05-17-2019, 12:58 PM
So your lispy sounding video just disappeard amirite? :lol

Pathetic

Talk to jeff. The thread was deleted during the purge. If I had a lisp, it would be evident in the link I posted. Get your hearing checked.