1st option rings define a player's career - will we ever see another player get 6?

[3ball]

No way it ever happens again, since no player ever gotten more than 3

so 6 is a complete aberration - only the unquestioned goat gets that much

[SouBeachTalents]

You literally just made this same exact thread last week

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466912

[bigkingsfan]

Curry is about to do something MJ never did, four in five years as a first option.

[Manny98]

No because the NBA isn't as watered-down as it was back then

[3ball]

You literally just made this same exact thread last week

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466912
Will we ever see another player get 6, or even 4?

[3ball]

Curry is about to do something MJ never did, four in five years as a first option.
Wow he must be tied #2 all-time in fmvp's, and about to break the tie and get 4

Oh wait ..

[bigkingsfan]

Wow he must be tied #2 all-time in fmvp's, and about to break the tie and get 4

Oh wait ..
The FMVP is named after Bill Russell :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

Does it matter? If we did you'd just find some way to tear him down to raise up MJ.

[3ball]

No because the NBA isn't as watered-down as it was back then
From 2001 to 2009, 5 weak teams made the Finals - AI (01'), Kidd (02/03), Lebron (07'), and Dwight (09') - all 5 teams were destroyed in the Finals

Why does this matter?.. Because the 00's East is the only time in history when a bunch of weak teams made the Finals and got crushed - only lebron played in a conference where weak teams made the Finals.. :confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

From 2001 to 2009, 5 weak teams made the Finals - AI (01'), Kidd (02/03), Lebron (07'), and Dwight (09') - all 5 teams were destroyed in the Finals

Why does this matter?.. Because the 00's East is the only time in history when a bunch of weak teams made the Finals and got crushed - only lebron played in a conference where weak teams made the Finals.. :confusedshrug:
MJ played two years and failed to make the playoffs in that "weak" East.

[TheCorporation]

Will we ever see another player get 6, or even 4?

There are 13 players with 6 or more rings

There is 1 player with 6900 points

[TheCorporation]

From 2001 to 2009, 5 weak teams made the Finals - AI (01'), Kidd (02/03), Lebron (07'), and Dwight (09') - all 5 teams were destroyed in the Finals

Why does this matter?.. Because the 00's East is the only time in history when a bunch of weak teams made the Finals and got crushed - only lebron played in a conference where weak teams made the Finals.. :confusedshrug:

Why did MJ have a losing season for five years

[3ball]

Why did MJ have a losing season for five years
- He didn't enter the league with a 2-time all-star center on his team

- Nor did he get the NBA steals leader and all-defender added to his team (hughes), and a 2nd all-defender (varejao)

- Or 2nd and 3rd all-stars (Mo and Jamison), or the reigning all-star MVP (Shaq)


MJ got none of that - the 85-89 Bulls had ZERO accolades, while lebron's teams had 6 decorated players (4 guys with all-star experience and 2 all-defenders)

[tpols]

isnt it crazy that jason kidd made it to more finals... and by lebron standards he had nothing but scrubs. kerry kittles kenyon martin and jason collins.

[Wally450]

Will said player get to take two years off in the middle of his prime?

[3ball]

Will said player get to take two years off in the middle of his prime?


You have to 3-peat to do that ... :no:

And be considered the goat already like MJ was... :pimp:

^^^ People seem to forget these things... And btw, those 2 years only allowed everyone to catch up a little - they HURT mj's rings/accolades, not helped


MJ 3-peated while being first option of the LEAGUE - either scoring title...... or regular season and Finals MVP (not just Finals)

So only MJ was on this kind of individual level, while also winning (team level)..

72 wins and title (goat team achievement) + MVP/FMVP/All-Star MVP/scoring title/1st Team Defense (goat individual achievement) = GOAT
.

[Skip_Bayless]

Unless someone can 3 peat, leave the league and play another sport, and then come back and 3 peat again on the same team, one has to ask if they are even worth watching in the first place. The bar was set so high it's like watching a guy with no legs try to hit a pinata that's 10 feet in the air.

[3ball]

Does it matter? If we did you'd just find some way to tear him down to raise up MJ.
Not true because then someone would have the same accomplishment as MJ

But no one else is over 3, so only half of jordan - THAT'S why I tear others down - because they're vastly inferior

[3ball]

There are 13 players with 6 or more rings

There is 1 player with 6900 points
But 1st option rings define a player's career

So how many have 6 or more 1st option rings?

How about 4 or more?

[RRR3]

But 1st option rings define a player's career

So how many have 6 or more 1st option rings?

How about 4 or more?
How many players have 11 rings as the best player on their team?





Just one

[3ball]

How many players have 11 rings as the best player on their team?





Just one
if you can't counter with Durant, lebron, Kobe, magic, Duncan, etc, you lose

Your counter is that 9 ppg and 6th option Russell has 11 rings?.. So I win - because Russell isn't a 1st option, nor is he a good counter..

And again, if you can't counter with Durant, lebron, Kobe, magic, Duncan, etc, you lose

Those are basically Ben Wallace rings

You think a player from the 60's, when there were only 8 teams and severe impediments to blacks being scouted and in the league, is goat??

Again, I win, because you don't even stan Russell or think he's better than lebron

[RRR3]

Meltdown.


MJ has no argument over Russell.

[3ball]

Meltdown.


MJ has no argument over Russell.
Anytime you resort to Russell, I win

No one thinks Russell > MJ

Not a single poll anywhere, ever

Russell has zero 1st option rings, for starters

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

if you can't counter with Durant, lebron, Kobe, magic, Duncan, etc, you lose

Your counter is that 9 ppg and 6th option Russell has 11 rings?.. So I win - because Russell isn't a 1st option, nor is he a good counter..

And again, if you can't counter with Durant, lebron, Kobe, magic, Duncan, etc, you lose
Those are basically Ben Wallace rings

You think a player from the 60's, when there were only 8 teams and severe impediments to blacks being scouted and in the league, is goat??

Again, I win, because you don't even stan Russell or think he's better than lebron

Ole 3ball donning MJ's persona too? :oldlol:

Crazy motherfukker :oldlol:

[3ball]

No because the NBA isn't as watered-down as it was back then
It's funny because when AI's Sixers made the Finals, we all knew they would get smashed by the Lakers

Ditto Kidd's Nets

Ditto Lebron's Cavs

Ditto Dwight's Magic


We knew these were weak teams heading into the Finals and sure enough - they all got destroyed - it's the only time in history that a bunch of weak teams made the Finals and got smashed

But even though a good team wasn't needed to make the Finals, lebron couldn't make it in 09 and 10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs in the weak conference

Pretty ****in.g unfair

[sdot_thadon]

https://www.purdue.edu/uns/images/russell.ksaa.jpeg

[Vino24]

imagine winning 11 rings instead of 6

[3ball]

https://www.purdue.edu/uns/images/russell.ksaa.jpeg
So you're saying MJ is goat except for Russell (your only counter)

Cool, so mj's goat thanks

[TheCorporation]

imagine winning 11 rings instead of 6

especially if thats your only argument RANGZ

Poor MJ stains in shambles :(

[3ball]

especially if thats your only argument RANGZ

Poor MJ stains in shambles :(
1st option rings

The defining achievement of your goat

Except another guy has twice as many as him... You must feel like a dumbass

[Vino24]

1st option rings

The defining achievement of your goat

Except another guy has twice as many as him... You must feel like a dumbass
how about having the FMVP named after you? :eek:

[3ball]

how about having the FMVP named after you? :eek:
It should obviously be renamed after MJ since he redefined what greatness was (1st option rings) - that's all any player wants nowadays - a player is nothing without a 1st option ring

And he's the only guy to win titles as the scoring champ (6 times).. edit: Kareem and Shaq did it once each in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'

[bigkingsfan]

Already been done before MJ, 1st option rangs :confusedshrug:

https://ionecassius.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/15563046170235.jpg

[3ball]

Already been done before MJ, 1st option rangs :confusedshrug:

https://ionecassius.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/15563046170235.jpg
He was the team's leading scorer in 3 Finals wins, otherwise he was 4th, 5th option etc for 5 other Finals - 8.5 ppg for one, 15.5 for another

[bigkingsfan]

I made it up, goes to show no one cared back then about first option rangs. Only the best player.

[3ball]

I made it up, goes to show no one cared back then about first option rangs. Only the best player.
So why is Durant, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, and Curry's career defined by 1st option rings?

MJ redefined what greatness was (1st option rings) - that's all any player wants nowadays - a player is nothing without a 1st option ring

And only MJ won titles as the scoring champ (6 times).. edit: Kareem and Shaq did it once each in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'

[bigkingsfan]

It has always been the best player. Same goes to those mentioned above. Durant may lead GS in FGA, but everyone knows it's Curry team.

[Bronbron23]

No way it ever happens again, since no player ever gotten more than 3

so 6 is a complete aberration - only the unquestioned goat gets that much
Greek could go on mj like run starting with this year. He's only 24 and the bucks main nucleus is pretty young also.

[kennethgriffen]

if the knicks get AD and kyrie i could definitely see 4 more coming KD's way

[kennethgriffen]

He was the team's leading scorer in 3 Finals wins, otherwise he was 4th, 5th option etc for 5 other Finals - 8.5 ppg for one, 15.5 for another


are we talking 1st option or leading scorer


because tom heinson was his teams #1 option/leader in FGA's for 6 championships ( twice being edged out in PPG by 1 or so )

[SpaceJam2]

How many players have 6000 points again? 6500? 6900?


Google keeps showing ONE player named LeBron

Is this tru? :eek:

[sdot_thadon]

So you're saying MJ is goat except for Russell (your only counter)

Cool, so mj's goat thanks
No I'm saying the term 1st options rings is pretty stupid because it ignores overall impact. Why not say most rings as the best player? Because there's been several times where the team's best player was not the high scorer. Most instances it's true but not in every example. So again why not say rings as the best player?

because it puts someone else above your obsession.

Saying 1st option then ignores things like defense and coaching. Russell won 11 rings as his teams best player and if you want to argue any of the later ones......he also coached 2 titles while playing. Thats beyond anything Mj can touch.

Alot of people said Lebron was coaching the Cavs in 2016 when he got Blatt fired.......until it backfired and he won the chip.

So he ends up looking like he:
1)led
2) coached
3) gm'ed

the Cavs to a title in 2016 according to the detractors. Mj can't touch that either. He gm'ed and coached the wizrads to the sidelines come june.

[Hey Yo]

1st option rings

The defining achievement of your goat

Except another guy has twice as many as him... You must feel like a dumbass
MJ has the most rings after quitting the league in his prime for 2yrs, then coming back.... 3

LeBron and MJ both have 3 true rings...... quitter rings don't count.

[90sgoat]

3ball, add this to your data sheet: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467422

And comment on the thread.

[Smoke117]

You literally just made this same exact thread last week

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466912

Every new thread he makes was literally made at least a dozen times before. The obsessive mental illness is strong with this one.