Draymond- "I'm the best defender ever"

[juju151111]

I think he is top 15, but definitely not number 1.
Hakeem,Russell,Artest,Rodman,Pippen,MJ etc... All have great cases over him.

[FKAri]

This guy's really been feeling himself the last few years. He's in for a rude awakening when his contract is up.

[Smoke117]

Neither Artest nor Jordan have any case over him. They never had his kind of impact. Neither does Rodman (I find extremely overrated in general) or Pippen either really. The top 15 defensive players of all time would all be big men and mostly centers.

Edit: Actually at this point Pippen would be over him because of longevity. He has peaked higher, though.

[Skip_Bayless]

Draymond doesn't even have a case over Bruce Bowen, let alone 9 time all NBA defensive selection MJ.

[stalkerforlife]

He's a GOAT tier defender versatility speaking.

He can guard 1 through 5.

[Im so nba'd out]

Welp, we're gonna see next round cause your hands are gonna be fuller than a bitch :oldlol:


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[juju151111]

Neither Artest nor Jordan have any case over him. They never had his kind of impact. Neither does Rodman (I find extremely overrated in general) or Pippen either really. The top 15 defensive players of all time would all be big men and mostly centers.
Gtfo Pippen is definitely in the top 15. The top 15 in no order.
Ben Wallace, Bill Russell, Rodman, Hakeem, Pippen, Tim Duncan, Artest, Kawhi, Draymond etc..

[stalkerforlife]

Draymond doesn't even have a case over Bruce Bowen, let alone 9 time all NBA defensive selection MJ.

He absolutely has a case over Bowen because he guards 1 through 5.

But Bowen likely has no case over him.

[bigkingsfan]

It's not that far-fetched, he doesn't have a glaring weakness.

[kennethgriffen]

for me its hakeem inside, scottie on the perimeter

can't really compare bigs to non bigs. totally different styles of defense

[stalkerforlife]

Welp, we're gonna see next round cause your hands are gonna be fuller than a bitch :oldlol:


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The NBA doesn't allow hard defense on Giannis.

So that's irrelevant.

[Smoke117]

Gtfo Pippen is definitely in the top 15. The top 15 in no order.
Ben Wallace, Bill Russell, Rodman, Hakeem, Pippen, Tim Duncan, Artest, Kawhi, Draymond etc..

Hard to take you seriously when you keep leaving out David Robinson who after Hakeem is pretty easily the greatest defensive player over the last 30 years. Even harder to take someone seriously who thinks Ron Artest is a top 15 defensive player of all time. He wasn't even the best defensive player on his own team when he was given that bullshit DPOY. You are literally going out of your way to mention someone like Ron Artest, but not mentioning David Robinson. That pretty much tells me how little you understand about how defense actually works.

[Manny98]

Nah KG is

[RRR3]

The NBA doesn't allow hard defense on Giannis.

So that's irrelevant.
Meltdown.


Giannis has you shook.

[Ben Simmons 25]

No.

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[tontoz]

Neither Artest nor Jordan have any case over him. They never had his kind of impact. Neither does Rodman (I find extremely overrated in general) or Pippen either really. The top 15 defensive players of all time would all be big men and mostly centers.


True. An undersized 4 can't have the same impact as a shotblocking C. I would easily take Gobert over him currently.

Looking back over the years there are so many centers i would take over him it would be pointless to list them.

[Skip_Bayless]

He absolutely has a case over Bowen because he guards 1 through 5.

But Bowen likely has no case over him.

Versatility doesn't make you the best defender ever. You can guard 1-5 but if you don't shut any of them down and don't get the win it's not as valuable as someone like Bruce Bowen that can shut his man down and come away with the win. Team defense isn't shit if you give up enough points to get the L.

[tpols]

hes the perfect defender for small ball space and pace style of today...

would be on the bench in perpetual foul trouble against big guys and crowded paints of the past..

[TheCorporation]

I'm not sure if he's the best ever but he's definitely higher than Jeff Hornacek and Craig Ehlo

[kennethgriffen]

hes the perfect defender for small ball space and pace style of today...

would be on the bench in perpetual foul trouble against big guys and crowded paints of the past..


pippen and rodman would be better smallball defenders.. they can both guard in the post and on the perimeter at a higher level than draymond


not that draymond isn't great. but todays basketball isn't physical at all

[Skip_Bayless]

No.

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Play the whole video that shows the ball handler at half court starting his run while he's under his own basket to start his. 47 foot head start and still got his ass. Makes any lebron chase down block look like a poor mans version.

[StrongLurk]

No.

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:eek: :bowdown:

[Jasper]

This guy's really been feeling himself the last few years. He's in for a rude awakening when his contract is up.
yep ... that nig is all mouth ,,,
I never liked him , kicking and playing dirty.

[Jasper]

I'm not sure if he's the best ever but he's definitely higher than Jeff Hornacek and Craig Ehlo

that is hilarious.. :roll:

[Gileraracer]

He's a GOAT tier defender versatility speaking.

He can guard 1 through 5.

Thats what they said about Lebron and then several roleplayer dropped career highs on his bald head :lol

[superduper]

This guy's really been feeling himself the last few years. He's in for a rude awakening when his contract is up.

While I agree about this on the offensive end, he has a right to believe this about himself on the defensive end. He's not the best but he's earned it to feel that he is and he's definitely one of the greatest ever.

[imdaman99]

Nah. He's among the best team help defenders though. He can't lockdown 1 on 1 as well as he'd have you believe.

[NBASTATMAN]

I think he is top 15, but definitely not number 1.
Hakeem,Russell,Artest,Rodman,Pippen,MJ etc... All have great cases over him.


I AGREE.. He is one of the best ive ever seen though.. Ive seen him shut down Adavis and some of the shorter all stars as well..

[LeCola]

Versatility doesn't make you the best defender ever. You can guard 1-5 but if you don't shut any of them down and don't get the win it's not as valuable as someone like Bruce Bowen that can shut his man down and come away with the win. Team defense isn't shit if you give up enough points to get the L.

In this era which teams mostly switch after picks, that is very important. So, now someone like Bruce Bowen can not shut down any player, he would probably be forced to swich another player.

[andgar923]

He ain

[brownmamba00]

True. An undersized 4 can't have the same impact as a shotblocking C. I would easily take Gobert over him currently.

Looking back over the years there are so many centers i would take over him it would be pointless to list them.
This might've been true 10 years ago but in today's game you need bigs that can contain the pnr.

As much as I like the traditional paint protector; a guy like draymond can swarm guards, play high on shooters and play strong post defense. All in one.

I'll take that guy over a shot blocker that has a tendency to camp in the paint.

[andgar923]

This might've been true 10 years ago but in today's game you need bigs that can contain the pnr.

As much as I like the traditional paint protector; a guy like draymond can swarm guards, play high on shooters and play strong post defense. All in one.

I'll take that guy over a shot blocker that has a tendency to camp in the paint.
There

[Loco 50]

Draymond's never really been known as the smartest guy. Not even going to respond other than no, he's not.

Oh and since I see some insults towards Rodman......Rodman was a way better defender than Draymond.

Draymond's dumb ass will get thrown out of important games. Rodman will get YOU thrown out of important games.

[brownmamba00]

There’s ALWAYS been bigs that can switch. Nothing new is done today. The main difference is, the need to defend the perimeter than the interior is bigger.
Exactly bigs didn't need to be above the 3p line before but now they do which is why draymond being undersized at 6'8 doesn't really matter as he makes up for it with his quick feet. (relative to Cs)

Post play is dead you don't need to be a 7 ft shotblocker to be considered a good defensive big nowadays.

[Loco 50]

Exactly bigs didn't need to be above the 3p line before but now they do which is why draymond being undersized at 6'8 doesn't really matter as he makes up for it with his quick feet. (relative to Cs)

Post play is dead you don't need to be a 7 ft shotblocker to be considered a good defensive big nowadays.
Meh, Gobert is Frankenstein compared to D Rob or Hakeem. They would be fine.

[brownmamba00]

Meh, Gobert is Frankenstein compared to D Rob or Hakeem. They would be fine.
Ofcourse Hakeem would be fine. draymond can't touch him. My response was to the DC guy comparing gobert to dray.

[72-10]

I'm not sure if he's the best ever but he's definitely higher than Jeff Hornacek and Craig Ehlo
that's odd i seem to recall Ron Harper guarding MJ dumbfvck

[superduper]

that's odd i seem to recall Ron Harper guarding MJ dumbfvck

And Ehlo was 6'8 which is 2-3 inches taller than MJ so I dunno what that moron's blabbing about :oldlol:

[72-10]

Hilarious. Probably Russell or Rodman, who could guard all five. Problem is that Rodman's peak was relatively short-lived. Maybe Hakeem or Pippen as well, especially the former.

[BigShotBob]

The best defender ever is Bill Russell

[RealSkipBayless]

Thats what they said about Lebron and then several roleplayer dropped career highs on his bald head :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[bdonovan]

Huge Warriors fan and Draymond fan.

But the mark of a truly great defender is they can inhibit, slow down, and sometimes even shut down the great offensive players. Bruce Bowen could make take Kobe's points total down.

Look at the numbers LeBron puts up against Draymond:

https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/draymond_green_vs_lebron_james.htm

50+ points. And averages similar to what he does otherwise.

If you look at his averages, LeBron actually shoots slightly higher % when playing against Draymond (but pretty close to average) and pretty similar to average points per game (0.4 pts per game less).


https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1_hint=Draymond+Green&player_id1_select=Draymond+Green&player_id1=greendr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=LeBron+James&player_id2_select=LeBron+James&player_id2=jamesle01&idx=players

This squares with observation that LeBron does not seem to be all that bothered with Draymond guarding him, possibly because LeBron has something like 30 lbs on him.

Draymond routinely gives up size to big Power Forwards. Draymond is great for his size and height, a lot of hustle plays, great team defender but to consider him the best defender all-time is saying a lot; I'm not sure he's even the best defender in the league today. I'd put him in the top 5.

[bdonovan]

I AGREE.. He is one of the best ive ever seen though.. Ive seen him shut down Adavis and some of the shorter all stars as well..

I checked those numbers. It seems A Davis has above-average PPG against Draymond (career 25.2 against Draymond regular season vs. 23.7 regular season in general). I don't doubt he probably slowed down Davis at times but on average, he doesn't have a major effect. (then again I don't know if Green always gets the defensive assignment on Davis)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1_hint=Anthony+Davis&player_id1_select=Anthony+Davis&player_id1=davisan02&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Draymond+Green&player_id2_select=Draymond+Green&player_id2=greendr01&idx=players

[r0drig0lac]

hes the perfect defender for small ball space and pace style of today...

would be on the bench in perpetual foul trouble against big guys and crowded paints of the past..
this

[Gougou]

Nah Kawhi is better imo.

I also think Hakeem, Prime Ben Wallace, KG has a bit edge over him.

Draymond is still elite defender, best at defending quick transition, smaller line up teams.

[Im so nba'd out]

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