What are LeBron's Playoff Accomplishments before he formed Super Teams?

[eliteballer]

Before he went to Miami.

Anyone know?

[The Iron Fist]

Before he went to Miami.

Anyone know?
Got moms smashed
Broken elbow
Saved by a guy named Boobie
Swept in the finals

[bigkingsfan]

Three time NBA champ

[Derka]

Took the Cavs to the Finals single-handedly in his second ever playoffs. Yeah they got trounced by the Spurs but that

[3ball]

2004 - missed playoffs

2005 - missed playoffs despite the East all-star center on his team

2006 - 2nd round elimination

2007 - 2-seeded Cavs beat 1-seeded Pistons to make Finals (lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of game 5; 25 on 45% overall)..... then 22 on 36% in Finals sweep loss

2008 - 26 on 35% in ecsf loss

2009 - loses with 60-win 1 seed

2010 - loses with 60-win 1 seed (record - no one ever lost with 60-win 1 seed for two straight yrs)


5 weak teams made the Finals out of the East from 01-09', and they all got destroyed in the Finals (AI, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight).. this is the only conference in history that a bunch of KNOWN weak teams made the Finals and got crushed

But even though a strong team wasn't needed to make the Finals, Lebron lost in 09' and 10', and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

Pretty damn weak.. nowhere near goat.. laughable tbh

[eliteballer]

[QUOTE=Derka]Took the Cavs to the Finals single-handedly in his second ever playoffs. Yeah they got trounced by the Spurs but that

[bigkingsfan]

22 years old, 35% shooting in the Finals.
Prime Kobe shot 38% with Shaq...

[3ball]

Took the Cavs to the Finals single-handedly in 2007 his second ever playoffs.


5 weak teams made the Finals out of the East from 01-09' (AI, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight), so lebron only took a weak team to the Finals 1 time when everyone else was doing it too

This is actually the only conference in history where a bunch of teams that everyone knew were weak made the Finals and got crushed - it's the only conference in history where weak teams made the Finals

But even though a strong team wasn't needed to make the Finals, Lebron lost in 09' and 10', and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'.. again, lebron only took a weak team to the Finals 1 time when everyone else was doing it too

Pretty damn weak.. nowhere near goat.. laughable tbh





Yeah they got trounced by the Spurs but that’s not small potatoes for a 20-year old.


Stats at 22-23 years old vs championship team and #1 defense:



Jordan vs. 86 Celts - 44 on 50%
Lebron vs 07' Spurs - 22 on 35%

[eliteballer]

Prime Kobe shot 38% with Shaq...

Not healthy, knee and shoulder injuries, no conditioning.

[eliteballer]

2004 - missed playoffs

2005 - missed playoffs despite the East all-star center on his team

2006 - 2nd round elimination

2007 - 2-seeded Cavs beat 1-seeded Pistons to make Finals (lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of game 5; 25 on 45% overall)..... then 22 on 36% in Finals sweep loss

2008 - 26 on 35% in ecsf loss

2009 - loses with 60-win 1 seed

2010 - loses with 60-win 1 seed (record - no one ever lost with 60-win 1 seed for two straight yrs)


5 weak teams made the Finals out of the East from 01-09', and they all got destroyed in the Finals (AI, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight).. this is the only conference in history that a bunch of KNOWN weak teams made the Finals and got crushed

But even though a strong team wasn't needed to make the Finals, Lebron lost in 09' and 10', and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

Pretty damn weak.. nowhere near goat.. laughable tbh

:eek:

[Duncan21formvp]

He lost with HCA multiple years and even when joining multiple stars he always was down in a series at least 3-2 in a series.:oldlol:

[TheMan]

He lost with HCA multiple years and even when joining multiple stars he always was down in a series at least 3-2 in a series.:oldlol:
And this is the GOAT to the neckbeard incels :oldlol:

[bullettooth]

He lost with HCA multiple years and even when joining multiple stars he always was down in a series at least 3-2 in a series.:oldlol:

:lol

Ladies and gentlemen.... the Greatest Loser of All Time.

THE GLOAT!

[SpaceJam]

Three time NBA champ

[TheCorporation]

I'll let you know when he has a super team but as of now he has three finals MVPs, 6911 playoff points, and the most game winners of all time. Not too bad I guess

[3ball]

I'll let you know when he has a super team but as of now he has three finals MVPs, 6911 playoff points, and the most game winners of all time. Not too bad I guess
6900 points and only 3 rings?... :biggums:

Obviously, he ain't doin' something right.. :no:

Anyone else near that many points has way more rings

I guess if you only win 51 games with kyrie, you aren't capable of great teams and can't win many championships

[RealSkipBayless]

Struggling with an already stacked roster. Former all-star Big Z, all-star Mo Williams and ATG in Shaq. Not to mention a deep bench. Seems like he needed more help. :(

[LAmbruh]

and yet still 10-5 vs Kobe pre 2011 :lol



Landslide honors

[34-24 Footwork]

bronze medal with a stacked roster in 2004

[Gileraracer]

2004 - missed playoffs

2005 - missed playoffs despite the East all-star center on his team

2006 - 2nd round elimination

2007 - 2-seeded Cavs beat 1-seeded Pistons to make Finals (lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of game 5; 25 on 45% overall)..... then 22 on 36% in Finals sweep loss

2008 - 26 on 35% in ecsf loss

2009 - loses with 60-win 1 seed

2010 - loses with 60-win 1 seed (record - no one ever lost with 60-win 1 seed for two straight yrs)


5 weak teams made the Finals out of the East from 01-09', and they all got destroyed in the Finals (AI, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight).. this is the only conference in history that a bunch of KNOWN weak teams made the Finals and got crushed

But even though a strong team wasn't needed to make the Finals, Lebron lost in 09' and 10', and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

Pretty damn weak.. nowhere near goat.. laughable tbh

devastating resume :eek:

[DocSlam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpF1COUzoU

[Doranku]

n/a

[Gileraracer]

none

[Hey Yo]

If a 58 wins makes you a superteam, then that means LeBron swept the 60 win superteam Hawks practically by himself. Plus the Raptors too

[Doranku]

If a 58 wins makes you a superteam, then that means LeBron swept the 60 win superteam Hawks practically by himself. Plus the Raptors too

You are one of the dumbest people I've encountered on this site, and that's saying a lot given ISH personnel.

[LostCause]

6900 points and only 3 rings?... :biggums:

Obviously, he ain't doin' something right.. :no:

Anyone else near that many points has way more rings

I guess if you only win 51 games with kyrie, you aren't capable of great teams and can't win many championships

Interesting fact. The players with the most total points in the Finals all time are 1. Jerry West and 2. LeBron James

[LostCause]

If a 58 wins makes you a superteam, then that means LeBron swept the 60 win superteam Hawks practically by himself. Plus the Raptors too
Are the 2016 Warriors better than the 2017 Warriors?

[superduper]

If a 58 wins makes you a superteam, then that means LeBron swept the 60 win superteam Hawks practically by himself. Plus the Raptors too

Bran stans make fun of MJs competition and then turn around and cite the Raps and Hawks as LeGOAT's elite competition :roll: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

You are one of the dumbest people I've encountered on this site, and that's saying a lot given ISH personnel.
The so-called 2011 Heat "superteam" won 58gms.

Either they were or they weren't? If they were, then winning 58gms means that there are many past 58 win superteams.

Sorry it doesnt fit your narrative chico.

[Hey Yo]

Are the 2016 Warriors better than the 2017 Warriors?
Both teams won 58+ games and are considered superteams.

[Hey Yo]

Bran stans make fun of MJs competition and then turn around and cite the Raps and Hawks as LeGOAT's elite competition :roll: :roll:
Both won 58+ games.... makes them superteams according to your criteria

[superduper]

Both won 58+ games.... makes them superteams according to your criteria

:wtf:

[LostCause]

Both teams won 58+ games and are considered superteams.

Ok cool, but which one is better?

[NBAGOAT]

Ok cool, but which one is better?

good point but devil's advocate. What if the raptors get swept even though it's unlikely. Then they dont have much narrative on their side besides claiming the Bucks are on another level from 18 Cavs(true) and 17 Cavs(not nearly as much).

You can claim the Raptors had a bad series and no one predicted a sweep but you can say the same for the raptors in 17 and 18 too. You can call the derozan team chokers but getting swept by the Bucks would be a choke too really. ofc if the raptors make this series competitive like they should, it's all a moo point but throwing it out there

[34-24 Footwork]

Ok cool, but which one is better?

This point really trips people up. I've been asking it forever.

Does the record matter or does the success matter?

They use BOTH criteria because they need to keep saying that KD joined a 73-win team while obfuscating the outcome of that season.

But if KD made them so unbeatable, then why didn't they win 73 games next season?

A strong amount of cognitive dissonance in their logic.

[34-24 Footwork]

Basically, they need to keep brining up 73-wins to imply that LeBron never joined a super team due to the Heat or Cavs previous record.

Once day they wanna be able to say that the 2010-2014 Heat and the 2014-2017 Cavs weren't superteams...and be taken seriously.

[Doranku]

The so-called 2011 Heat "superteam" won 58gms.

Either they were or they weren't? If they were, then winning 58gms means that there are many past 58 win superteams.

Sorry it doesnt fit your narrative chico.

Just because they underperformed in the regular season doesn't exclude them from being a superteam. :oldlol:

When the best player in the league joins up with the second best player in the league AND another perennial all-star, yes, it's a superteam. I don't know how anyone with a brain could argue against that.

[Nikola_]

Lebron stans still pushing this bs "heat wasnt superteam" in fking 2019:roll:

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?

[Gus Hemmingway]

Anyone figure this out?


What were Kobe's accomplishments without PEDs?

[Spurs m8]

Anyone figure this out?

We did.

Achieved nothing

[sportjames23]

2004 - missed playoffs

2005 - missed playoffs despite the East all-star center on his team

2006 - 2nd round elimination

2007 - 2-seeded Cavs beat 1-seeded Pistons to make Finals (lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of game 5; 25 on 45% overall)..... then 22 on 36% in Finals sweep loss

2008 - 26 on 35% in ecsf loss

2009 - loses with 60-win 1 seed

2010 - loses with 60-win 1 seed (record - no one ever lost with 60-win 1 seed for two straight yrs)


5 weak teams made the Finals out of the East from 01-09', and they all got destroyed in the Finals (AI, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight).. this is the only conference in history that a bunch of KNOWN weak teams made the Finals and got crushed

But even though a strong team wasn't needed to make the Finals, Lebron lost in 09' and 10', and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

Pretty damn weak.. nowhere near goat.. laughable tbh


Yikes!

[Gileraracer]

2004 - missed playoffs

2005 - missed playoffs despite the East all-star center on his team

2006 - 2nd round elimination

2007 - 2-seeded Cavs beat 1-seeded Pistons to make Finals (lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of game 5; 25 on 45% overall)..... then 22 on 36% in Finals sweep loss

2008 - 26 on 35% in ecsf loss

2009 - loses with 60-win 1 seed

2010 - loses with 60-win 1 seed (record - no one ever lost with 60-win 1 seed for two straight yrs)


5 weak teams made the Finals out of the East from 01-09', and they all got destroyed in the Finals (AI, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight).. this is the only conference in history that a bunch of KNOWN weak teams made the Finals and got crushed

But even though a strong team wasn't needed to make the Finals, Lebron lost in 09' and 10', and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

Pretty damn weak.. nowhere near goat.. laughable tbh

So without at least 2 superstars he did NOTHING? :eek:

[34-24 Footwork]

3-Ball did LeBron dirty on the first page. Lol.

[Spurs m8]

3-Ball did LeBron dirty on the first page. Lol.

Truth and context...lebron's worst enemies

[Mr Feeny]

With one of the worst squads of all time,he single handedly beat the Pistons in 2007 and shredded Prince - the same guy who destroyed Kobe in 2004 and held him to 38%fg in the 2004 finals.

Lebron had taken the Pistons to 7 games the previous year, with the worst playoff squad in all of basketball. He went on to take the 2008 Celtics to 7 games with a much worse squad than the 2008 Lakers who could only take 2 games off of the same Celtics.

[3ball]

With one of the worst squads of all time,he single handedly beat the Pistons in 2007 and shredded Prince - the same guy who destroyed Kobe in 2004 and held him to 38%fg in the 2004 finals.

Lebron had taken the Pistons to 7 games the previous year, with the worst playoff squad in all of basketball. He went on to take the 2008 Celtics to 7 games with a much worse squad than the 2008 Lakers who could only take 2 games off of the same Celtics.
1) Whose cast was worse - 86' Bulls or 07' Cavs? What cast had more accolades? Now who played in the tougher conference?

2) if the 07' Cavs were one of the worst teams ever, how did they get the 4 seed despite weak stats from lebron? Or make the Finals with lebron averaging 25/8/8 on 43% in the first 3 rounds?

3) how did the 07' Cavs to make the 4 seed despite worse stats from lebron than he got as a 9 seed in 05'?? What changed from 05' to 07' that allowed the Cavs to make the PO despite worse stats from lebron?
.

[TheCorporation]

With one of the worst squads of all time,he single handedly beat the Pistons in 2007 and shredded Prince - the same guy who destroyed Kobe in 2004 and held him to 38%fg in the 2004 finals.

Lebron had taken the Pistons to 7 games the previous year, with the worst playoff squad in all of basketball. He went on to take the 2008 Celtics to 7 games with a much worse squad than the 2008 Lakers who could only take 2 games off of the same Celtics.

+1

[Mr Feeny]

1) Whose cast was worse - 86' Bulls or 07' Cavs? What cast had more accolades?

2) if the 07' Cavs were one of the worst teams ever, how did they get the 4 seed despite weak stats from lebron? Or make the Finals with lebron averaging 24/7/6 on 43%

3) how did the 07' Cavs to make the 4 seed despite worse stats from lebron than he got as a 9 seed in 05'?? What changed from 05' to 07' that allowed the Cavs to make the PO despite worse stats from lebron?

86 Bulls but I'm not sure why that's relevant. This isnt a comparison between Jordan and Lebron. Even if it was, Lebron' argument would be that he won with his poor squad. Its apples and oranges. Lebron beat the Pistons with a really bad team. Jordan lost to an all time great team with an even dreadful team. I'm not sure how these facts help us with a comparison.

Regarding his stats in the finals, I agree, but that still doesnt take away from his performance against Detroit.

[superduper]

Nothing of actual relevance tbh and I say this as a HUGE LeStain :(

[TheCorporation]

1-9 without a single 1st round series win

Oh wait..That was someone else :lol

[3ball]

86 Bulls but I'm not sure why that's relevant. This isnt a comparison between Jordan and Lebron. Even if it was, Lebron' argument would be that he won with his poor squad. Its apples and oranges. Lebron beat the Pistons with a really bad team. Jordan lost to an all time great team with an even dreadful team. I'm not sure how these facts help us with a comparison.



So did MJ, except his team was worse and he faced a better opponent:



2007 Cavs:. #7 SRS.. 50 wins.. 2 seed
2007 tDET:. #6 SRS.. 53 wins.. 1 seed

1989 Bulls:. #10 SRS.. 47 wins.. 6 seed
1989 Cavs:. n#1 SRS.. 57 wins.. 3 seed


^^^ So MJ did more with less... Also, his 6 seed took the champs 6 games in ECF, while lebron's 2 seed was swept and he sucked

Finally,



Jordan 1989:. 33/8/8.. 47 wins
Lebron 2007:. 27/7/7.. 50 wins
Lebron 2009:. 28/8/7.. 66 wins


^^^^ This was the case every year from 85-89 versus 06-10, where MJ's greater stats resulted in lesser wins.. the only explanation for lebron getting more wins with less stats is that his better cast made up the gap





Regarding his stats in the finals, I agree, but that still doesnt take away from his performance against Detroit.


Lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of Game 5 and 25 on 45% for the series

And what year does MJ make the Finals averaging 25/8/8 on 43% in the first 3 rounds?

You guys have simply overblown Lebron's 07' Finals, especially since EVERYONE was carrying a weak cast to the Finals in that decade (Dwight, AI, Kidd 2) - but even though a strong cast wasn't needed, lebron stacked the deck from 11-18'.. obviously, if 09' Dwight had teamed up instead, he would've had the Finals streak, not lebron.

[Mr Feeny]

So did MJ, except his team was worse and he faced a better opponent:



2007 Cavs:. #7 SRS.. 50 wins.. 2 seed
2007 tDET:. #6 SRS.. 53 wins.. 1 seed

1989 Bulls:. #10 SRS.. 47 wins.. 6 seed
1989 Cavs:. n#1 SRS.. 57 wins.. 3 seed


^^^ So MJ did more with less... Also, his 6 seed took the champs 6 games in ECF, while lebron's 2 seed was swept and he sucked

Finally,



Jordan 1989:. 33/8/8.. 47 wins
Lebron 2007:. 27/7/7.. 50 wins
Lebron 2009:. 28/8/7.. 66 wins


^^^^ This was the case every year from 85-89 versus 06-10, where MJ's greater stats resulted in lesser wins.. the only explanation for lebron getting more wins with less stats is that his better cast made up the gap



Lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of Game 5 and 25 on 45% for the series

And what year does MJ make the Finals averaging 25/8/8 on 43% in the first 3 rounds?

You guys have simply overblown Lebron's 07' Finals, especially since EVERYONE was carrying a weak cast to the Finals in that decade (Dwight, AI, Kidd 2) - but even though a strong cast wasn't needed, lebron stacked the deck from 11-18'.. obviously, if 09' Dwight had teamed up instead, he would've had the Finals streak, not lebron.

Why do you always feel the need to go to the Jordan vs Lebron thing? I'm not saying he's better than Jordan. Nor am I comparing what he did with what Jordan did.

All I'm saying is that it was an accomplishment. Reaching the finals with that team. We could leave it at that without diminishing what he did with the comparisons with Jordan.

The Pistons might not have been the 2004 Pistons but the perimeter defences who held Kobe to 38%fg were the same. So putting up the stats he did are not a joke, because those guys could play defense.

[Turbo Slayer]

2004 - missed playoffs

2005 - missed playoffs despite the East all-star center on his team

2006 - 2nd round elimination

2007 - 2-seeded Cavs beat 1-seeded Pistons to make Finals (lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of game 5; 25 on 45% overall)..... then 22 on 36% in Finals sweep loss

2008 - 26 on 35% in ecsf loss

2009 - loses with 60-win 1 seed

2010 - loses with 60-win 1 seed (record - no one ever lost with 60-win 1 seed for two straight yrs)


5 weak teams made the Finals out of the East from 01-09', and they all got destroyed in the Finals (AI, Kidd, Lebron, Dwight).. this is the only conference in history that a bunch of KNOWN weak teams made the Finals and got crushed

But even though a strong team wasn't needed to make the Finals, Lebron lost in 09' and 10', and stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs from 11-18'

Pretty damn weak.. nowhere near goat.. laughable tbh

:eek:

ethered boosh

[3ball]

Why do you always feel the need to go to the Jordan vs Lebron thing? I'm not saying he's better than Jordan. Nor am I comparing what he did with what Jordan did.

All I'm saying is that it was an accomplishment. Reaching the finals with that team. We could leave it at that without diminishing what he did with the comparisons with Jordan.


Only Lebron gets credit for a big upset when his 2 seed beats a 1 seed.. only lebron gets credit for this.. it's further proof he's overrated





The Pistons might not have been the 2004 Pistons but the perimeter defences who held Kobe to 38%fg were the same. So putting up the stats he did are not a joke, because those guys could play defense

.
Oh hell no.. lebron was locked up by the 07' Spurs, so can you imagine how horrific he'd be against the 04' Pistons?

The 04' Pistons were 1-of-a-kind defensively - the 07' Spurs don't compare, let alone the 07' Pistons.. :facepalm

Essentially, Tyshaun's bankroll was much bigger against Kobe - he could play a lot more agressively with the RAPM kingpin and 3-time DPOY backing him up in the lane, compared to decrepit Webber..

Pistons were nothing without Big Ben - night and day - lebron would get locked up by that defense worse than the 07' Spurs did, or the 08' Celts, or the 11' Mavs

[eliteballer]

:confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

:confusedshrug:
You are an annoying Asian. I might punch you in the face repeatedly.

[dbugz]

quit on the cavs because he can't beat the Celtics with an aging kg, ray and pp.

[Duncan21formvp]

Before he went to Miami.

Anyone know?

2 bronze medals and losing to Dwight Howard with HCA.:oldlol:

[eliteballer]

:eek:

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?

[kawhileonard2]

Before he went to Miami.

Anyone know?

3 losses in a row with HCA. He was Tmac. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac

[kennygriffin]

before colluding dwight howard had a better playoff resume

[Smoke117]

before colluding dwight howard had a better playoff resume

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[3ba11]

Iverson, Kidd, Lebron and Dwight won the 00's East - so the 00's East is the only conference in history that a bunch of 1-star teams won, and this is the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in

he formed super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - that's the definition of stacking the deck, yet the low-integrity media claims that making the Finals with super-teams is better than winning the Finals without them

[Smoke117]

Iverson, Kidd, Lebron and Dwight won the 00's East - so the 00's East is the only conference in history that a bunch of 1-star teams won, and this is the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in

he formed super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - that's the definition of stacking the deck, yet the low-integrity media claims that making the Finals with super-teams is better than winning the Finals without them

You’re a 55 year old man obsessing about a cat who played a silly game for a living…what the fukk is wrong with you? You belong in a mental institution, niglet.

[eliteballer]

Does. Anyone. Know.

[eliteballer]

Meltdown.

[ShawkFactory]

Meltdown.

You're almost certainly too old to be doing this shit. If no one responds to you once just move the fvck on :lol

[Joey Turnbuckle]

Eating more ass protein than any player in playoff history. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, they make circle like snake eating own tail but they eat each others butts like a human centipede.

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?

[Axe]

He's still on it guys.

[3ba11]

Lebron was a 1-trick pony like Iverson or Dwight until the "decision" to form super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning.. Infact, the 00's East is the only conference in history that was routinely won by 1-star teams, yet this is the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in - so his resume is the DEFINITION of manufactured

Ultimately, Lebron needed super-team help because he can't win with high scoring - his high scoring is too ball-dominant/westbrooking strategy (09' ECF), or too inefficient at high volume (15' ECF), aka can't shoot well with the additional jumpshooting required of high volume carry-jobs

[SaintzFury13]

Lebron was a 1-trick pony like Iverson or Dwight until the "decision" to form super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning.. Infact, the 00's East is the only conference in history that was routinely won by 1-star teams, yet this is the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in - so his resume is the DEFINITION of manufactured

Name a single eastern conference finals champion that only had one all star from the 2000s. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Does carrying a team to the finals count?

You're that fanboy spamming shirtless Bron pics, so surely you can appreciate that.

[eliteballer]

Does carrying a team to the finals count?

You're that fanboy spamming shirtless Bron pics, so surely you can appreciate that.

Why would 22 points per game, on 35% FG, 20% on 3's, 69% on FT's, with 5 turnovers per game in the Finals be considered an accomplishment?

[SaintzFury13]

Why would 22 points per game, on 35% FG, 20% on 3's, 69% on FT's, with 5 turnovers per game in the Finals be considered an accomplishment?

He didn't ask about LeBron's performance in the finals of that year. Don't be a retard.

[2much_knowledge]

Not much.

Beat a Pistons team with no Ben Wallace

Ruin the Kobe vs lebron finals.

The End

[2much_knowledge]

Not much.

Beat a Pistons team with no Ben Wallace

Ruin the Kobe vs lebron finals.

The End

Can someone deny this?

[SaintzFury13]

Can someone deny this?

That Pistons team was still at the very least a great defensive team. It's not like LeBron was getting easy open looks the entire time during his famous 48 point performance in that fifth game. A lot of the shots he hit were very well contested and difficult shots.

[2much_knowledge]

That Pistons team was still at the very least a great defensive team. It's not like LeBron was getting easy open looks the entire time during his famous 48 point performance in that fifth game. A lot of the shots he hit were very well contested and difficult shots.

I give him credit for his performance especially at that age. But you can't replace Big Ben with Jason Maxiell and act as lebron beat the real Pistons. Nope

[SaintzFury13]

I give him credit for his performance especially at that age. But you can't replace Big Ben with Jason Maxiell and act as lebron beat the real Pistons. Nope

He absolutely didn't. But that game 5 performance is still one of the most incredible things I've ever witnessed.

[3ba11]

Does carrying a team to the finals count?

You're that fanboy spamming shirtless Bron pics, so surely you can appreciate that.


Everyone was doing that in the East at that time, so Lebron was just like Iverson, Kidd, or Dwight before the "decision"

Lebron averaged 25.8 on 43.4% in the 2007 Eastern Playoffs, so he carried his team less than those guys (certainly less than Iverson and maybe Dwight too)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why would 22 points per game, on 35% FG, 20% on 3's, 69% on FT's, with 5 turnovers per game in the Finals be considered an accomplishment?

I mean, you got a photobucket dedicated to Lebron. I figured you would be hard to impress.


Everyone was doing that in the East at that time, so Lebron was just like Iverson, Kidd, or Dwight before the "decision"

Lebron averaged 25.8 on 43.4% in the 2007 Eastern Playoffs, so he carried his team less than those guys (certainly less than Iverson and maybe Dwight too)

:whatever:

And those were all considered accomplishments.

Compared to the names you mentioned, Bron also had better impact stats.

[3ba11]

I mean, you got a photobucket dedicated to Lebron. I figured you would be hard to impress.



:whatever:

And those were all considered accomplishments.

Compared to the names you mentioned, Bron also had better impact stats.


Iverson averaged 7 more ppg, so his burden was bigger

We can split hairs all we want, but the fact remains that the 00's East is the only conference in history that was won by multiple 1-star teams (5 times infact), and that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in (definition of manufactured resume)

If Lebron never formed super-teams, he'd be just another career losing ball-dominator like Harden, Nash, Westbrook, CP3, etc..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If Lebron never formed super-teams, he'd be just another career losing ball-dominator like Harden, Nash, Westbrook, CP3, etc..

Maybe. Maybe not. But superteams have existed forever.

You can discount more than HALF the top 10, who all played with loaded help.

Speaking of burdens.... No ones was ever bigger than in 2000. That was the finals Shaq carried Kobe on his back.

[3ba11]

Maybe. Maybe not. But superteams have existed forever.

You can discount more than HALF the top 10, who all played with loaded help.

Speaking of burdens.... No ones was ever bigger than in 2000. That was the finals Shaq carried Kobe on his back.


I agree and that's why I've always said that the highest quality rings are those without 1b's (equal-scoring partners or fmvp sidekicks) or super-teams (3rd stars)

Jordan won the most rings like this (no 1b's or super-teams) and these rings are the most rare - only MJ, Hakeem, Kobe, and Dirk have these kind of rings.

Otoh, the lowest quality rings are those with 1b's and super-teams - Lebron's rings are like this because AD and Wade outscored Lebron for entire playoff runs, while Kyrie matched him.. So Lebron's rings had 1b's and super-teams, aka the lowest quality rings

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I agree and that's why I've always said that the highest quality rings are those without 1b's (equal-scoring partners) or super-teams (3rd stars)

Jordan won the most rings like this and these are the most rare (only MJ, Hakeem, Kobe, Dirk and 15' Curry have these kind of rings).

Otoh, the lowest quality rings are those with 1b's and super-teams - Lebron's rings are like this because AD and Wade outscored Lebron for entire playoff runs, while Kyrie matched him.. So Lebron's rings had 1b's and super-teams, aka the lowest quality rings

You forgot about Shaq.

Kobe wasnt an 'equal scoring' partner in 2000, and Shaq outscored him by 23 points.

Moreover... In the 2013 playoffs, Lebron outscored Wade by the same number of points '91 MJ outscored Pip in. Better add him to that list as well.

[3ba11]

You forgot about Shaq.

Kobe wasnt an 'equal scoring' partner in 2000, and Shaq outscored him by 23 points.

Moreover... In the 2013 playoffs, Lebron outscored Wade by the same number of points '91 MJ outscored Pip in. Better add him to that list as well.


But Kobe was still a sidekick that won FMVP or averaged 25+ in his career (elite 1st option) - everyone in history needed elite 1st options to play sidekick - only MJ won repeatedly with a true 2nd option (no FMVP and no 25 ppg ever in their career).

And Lebron had a super-team in the 2013 Finals against the West, where Wade averaged more than the opposing 1st option and only 5 less than Lebron - Wade simply wasn't needed in the Eastern Playoffs because the Heat had more stars than needed (big 3)..

so Lebron isn't on the list of rings without super-teams or 1b's because he had both (in spades)

[eliteballer]

Anyone know?

[Spurs m8]

Swept in the finals.

Went to Lakers without a superteam (for once - though solid young core) and didn't make the playoffs.

Ad saved him.. then got injured...again, no success or even play-in.

EXPOSED.

[HylianNightmare]

Took the Cavs to the Finals single-handedly in his second ever playoffs. Yeah they got trounced by the Spurs but that

I thought he was otw to goatness after that

[Lebron23]

Before he went to Miami.

Anyone know?


Kobe never won a playoffs without Shaq and Gasol

[3ba11]

Lebron hid from opposing point forward (Hedo) and guarded Rafer Alston.. So Hedo had great vision over Delonte for perfect entry passes to Dwight, while also seeing clearly on threes without Lebron to close out on him or Lewis (taller/quicker defenders required, aka Lebron)

Lebron and Coach Brown planned to save Lebron's energy by guarding Alston, which is pretty pathetic.

In addition to this massive defensive blunder (arguably the goat defensive blunder), Lebron wet the bed in the critical Game 4 OT that swung the series, while Dwight dominated.. Tight playoff series are won in the clutch possessions and this series was a great example of how Lebron loses those possessions and can't close games down the stretch.

Finally, Lebron has no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing - specifically, he isn't good enough to beat a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (like Mo's 18 on 37%).. Lebron can't beat good teams with bed-wetting teammates because his high scoring levels are too ball-dominant to beat good teams.. He can only beat Finals teams with near-equal-scoring partners because his own high scoring levels are too ball-dominant.

[eliteballer]

Hm.

[Johnny32]

legoat carried larry hughes as his second option to the nba finals at 23 yrs old. mj was getting his shit pushed in the 1st rd at that age.

leouch.

[2much_knowledge]

legoat carried larry hughes as his second option to the nba finals at 23 yrs old. mj was getting his shit pushed in the 1st rd at that age.

leouch.

Big deal. Can you remind the super tough road to the finals in the east???? Lol

Iverson did that with Eric Snow

[Spurs m8]

Swept in the finals.

Went to Lakers without a superteam (for once - though solid young core) and didn't make the playoffs.

Ad saved him.. then got injured...again, no success or even play-in.

EXPOSED.

Still cold hard truth

[Baller789]

Big deal. Can you remind the super tough road to the finals in the east???? Lol

Iverson did that with Eric Snow

Straight up facts.

And Iverson was like what? 5'11 160 soaking wet?

[eliteballer]

Anyone figure this out?