Kerr: Curry is more impactful than MJ

[Vino24]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kerr-says-curry-more-impactful-than-jordan-he-puts-the-fear-of-god-into-defenses/
looks like we will have a 2nd player from the 2000's pass MJ :rockon: :applause:

[NBASTATMAN]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kerr-says-curry-more-impactful-than-jordan-he-puts-the-fear-of-god-into-defenses/
looks like we will have a 2nd player from the 2000's pass MJ :rockon: :applause:


offensively he is. I have said that CURRY is the offensive GOAT.. Still his team will lose vs the EAST..

They are just missing too many players imo.. Durant, West, Mcgee from last seasons team.. And KD and Cousins from this years team..

If he can win a title this season than he has to get consideration for TOP 10 ALL TIME..

[NBASTATMAN]

Kerr is a smart guy.. He is just saying the exact same things I have said for two years now..

STOP HATING.. THE GUY IS AMAZING.. I HATE GSW too


BUT I PUT MONEY ON HIM SLOWING DOWN VS THE EAST TEAMS.. MOSTLY CUZ ITS DEF A TOUGHER BRAND OF BBALL

[egokiller]

Anyone that loses to LeBron James of all people is not more impactful than MJ....

:roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

Anyone that loses to LeBron James of all people is not more impactful than MJ....

:roll:


HATER ALERT.. :roll:

MJ is A GOAT.. But Steph is the most impactful offensive player ever..

[Big164]

I wont say it out loud untill he wins fmvp. But secretly i believe he is right up there with mj, wilt & Russell...

[Vino24]

Anyone that loses to LeBron James of all people is not more impactful than MJ....

:roll:
MJ lost to Isiah Thomas multiple times. is MJ not impactful?

[NBAGOAT]

he's been praising kd more than curry last year or two so this is a little surprising from him

[egokiller]

MJ lost to Isiah Thomas multiple times. is MJ not impactful?

MJ was so impactful he decided Isiah would not be on the dream team. Bad example.

My statement is that MJ never lost in the finals. Curry lost in the finals to a 6 time loser, but Curry was injured as well as 2 other teammates. The only way to be more impactful than MJ is to lead your team to at least 6 finals while winning the FMVP each time. Anything else is mediocre.

[Vino24]

MJ was so impactful he decided Isiah would not be on the dream team. Bad example.

My statement is that MJ never lost in the finals. Curry lost in the finals to a 6 time loser, but Curry was injured as well as 2 other teammates. The only way to be more impactful than MJ is to lead your team to at least 6 finals while winning the FMVP each time. Anything else is mediocre.
can't lose in the finals if you don't make it.

[warriorfan]

I wont say it out loud untill he wins fmvp. But secretly i believe he is right up there with mj, wilt & Russell...

He is...the thing is with him he’s gonna get more appreciation as time goes on. All the analytics are in his favor....All the games are there for viewing. All the people reeling themselves in trying to not be prisoners of the moment are doing it wrong, there is no reeling in, chef Dingo has changed the game right before our eyes. We are in a new era of basketball. It hasn’t quite sunk in yet but it will. Steph Curry changed the game of basketball forever as we know it.

[jstern]

He is, offensively, in this era. The only negative is that the rules help him tremendously, and Jordan was better able to step it up in the Finals.

What needs to be seen is how Jordan would fair with today's rules. They crippled defense even more for this season.

[warriorfan]

He is, offensively, in this era. The only negative is that the rules help him tremendously, and Jordan was better able to step it up in the Finals.

What needs to be seen is how Jordan would fair with today's rules. They crippled defense even more for this season.

Jordan today would be 35ppg. But that is with elite two way play and sitting majority of 4th quarters because they would be blowing them out. If they played him big minutes he would still score at least a point per minute, and could go for however long you needed him too.

[BigKobeFan]

Jordan also doesn't take dnp. Rests. Or play 30 min a game

[bullettooth]

MJ lost to Isiah Thomas multiple times. is MJ not impactful?

LeBron's been the leagues personal jizz rag by allowing Duncan, Dirk, Kawhi, Curry, Durant, Iggy all get rings on his watch.

Is he not impactful?

[3ball]

You see the BS alert when he starts talking about Steph pulling up from 35 feet as if that actually beats opponents - curry hardly ever does it, so you know it's bs

[AintNoSunshine]

MJ should slap his mouth again

[Manny98]

Agreed Currys offensive impact is GOAT

His gravity is insane, he doesn't even need to touch the basketball just his presence distrups the opposing defense

MJ can't do what Currys been doing the past 5 years that is just a fact

[Manny98]

MJ was so impactful he decided Isiah would not be on the dream team. Bad example.

My statement is that MJ never lost in the finals. Curry lost in the finals to a 6 time loser, but Curry was injured as well as 2 other teammates. The only way to be more impactful than MJ is to lead your team to at least 6 finals while winning the FMVP each time. Anything else is mediocre.
Bulls won 55 without MJ so obviously he wasn't that impactful

[tontoz]

Offensively it isn't hard to argue that Curry's impact is greater because he is elite with or without the ball.

Overall I think MJ was better because he was an elite defender.

[sportjames23]

Bulls won 55 without MJ so obviously he wasn't that impactful


They won 72 the next full season with MJ, so STFU. And won 69 and 64 games the following two seasons with MJ, so STFU again.

[sportjames23]

Offensively it isn't hard to argue that Curry's impact is greater because he is elite with or without the ball.

Overall I think MJ was better because he was an elite defender.


MJ was elite with or without the ball. MJ dominated on BOTH ends, destroying teams on offense and wreaking them on defense. There's NO player today who's more impactful than Jordan was.

[tontoz]

MJ was elite with or without the ball. MJ dominated on BOTH ends, destroying teams on offense and wreaking them on defense. There's NO player today who's more impactful than Jordan was.


MJ has the highest career usage rate in history and didn't shoot 3s. He was not an elite off the ball player. He wasn't running around off screens like Reggie used to do and Curry/Klay do now.

He was an elite defender though.

If MJ played in this era I do think he would have become a respectable 3 pt shooter.

[Bronbron23]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]He is...the thing is with him he

[Im so nba'd out]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kerr-says-curry-more-impactful-than-jordan-he-puts-the-fear-of-god-into-defenses/
looks like we will have a 2nd player from the 2000's pass MJ :rockon: :applause:
:applause:

We need more of the LeBron fam to embrace the Dingo that is inside of them.We are not rivals...Whenever they play we can root for LeBron over the Dingo, but there is no way you can deny his God given talent.

Both fams know Durant is overrated
Both fams are better than the Giannis Gang and know their guy would daddy dick him in a series
Both fams know their guy > Jordan
Both fams dont respect the 80's/90's


but most importantly, both fams....just....keep....winnning

There are far more similarities than differences.

[OldSchoolBBall]

MJ has the highest career usage rate in history and didn't shoot 3s. He was not an elite off the ball player.

Jordan is one of the best off-ball players EVER. Grab a clue. :oldlol: You don't need to run around like a chicken with your head cut off all wild to be an elite off-ball player.

[Showtime80']

LOL, here's Steve Kerr and Hubie Brown talking about the differences from the Jordan's era to today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoD9UCBgcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JttE4UT74k

Steph Curry is the best offensive player of the ESPN/Disney CO. era of basketball where defenses have been neutered and EVERY rule change of the past 20+ years have been put in place to help perimeter offensive players like Curry.

Michael as well as most 80's stars would probably find this era extremely boring as there are no more rivalries, everybody and their mother wants to team up, the cerebral and fundamental nuances of the game are at an all-time low and the rules have been altered to the point where a mental midget like Russell Dumbrook can average a triple double for 3 straight seasons and become league MVP.

The NBA should partner with Nickelodeon and Lifetime next as it fits the demographic they've been catering to for the past 15+ years, LOL!

[tontoz]

Jordan is one of the best off-ball players EVER. Grab a clue. :oldlol: You don't need to run around like a chicken with your head cut off all wild to be an elite off-ball player.


Posting up a lot doesn't make a guy a great off the ball player. He did that all the time, especially in his 30s.

Standing on the perimeter waiting for Paxon's pass doesn't make him a great off the ball player.

When Jordan passed it was frequently to an open shooter who would take the shot. He wouldn't pass then run through screens the way Steph/Klay do now.

Jordan didn't shoot 3s much, or well, so his defenders had less court to cover.

:oldlol: @ the revisionist history from the Jordan stans.

[kennethgriffen]

jordan would literally never

a) choke away an nba finals

b) lose finals mvp to a role player off the bench

c) lose finals mvp when his teammates were force feeding him the ball

d) encourage another MVP candidate to come join him

e) take possessions off defensively

f) let a guy trash talk his MVP selection

g) call a contemporary a top 5 player all time and leave himself out

[elementally morale]

Speaking of offense it is true.

However, Steph Curry is not the only one. Magic and Bird were both more impactful on offense than Jordan. And peak Shaq was, too. I assume the same is true with Wilt.

With Jordan you just had the total package. Offend and defense plus results and good luck the NBA went worldwide at the time, cable TV, Nike, etc. Just the perfect storm. Jordan was great but it's not like there weren't other players just as impactful on offense as he was.

[Akhenaten]

Posting up a lot doesn't make a guy a great off the ball player. He did that all the time, especially in his 30s.

Standing on the perimeter waiting for Paxon's pass doesn't make him a great off the ball player.

When Jordan passed it was frequently to an open shooter who would take the shot. He wouldn't pass then run through screens the way Steph/Klay do now.

Jordan didn't shoot 3s much, or well, so his defenders had less court to cover.

:oldlol: @ the revisionist history from the Jordan stans.

Did you miss the part where he said you don't have to run around pin down screens and shoot a bunch of threes to be an elite ofball player :facepalm

Jordan actually was excellent off pin downs and baseline screens shooting the midrange, that's neither here nor there though. A guy like Dwade is an EXCELLENT off the ball player even with a mediocre catch and shoot game, his off ball movement was to get layups and dunk though, it's just skinning the cat a different way.

Jordan was even better in that respect AND had an otherworldly catch and shoot game in the mid range. Some of really think y'all know basketball and don't know your heads from your behinds smh

[sbw19]

Nothing in what Kerr said is new or exactly mind-blowing. Curry is more impactful as a shooter, not as a scorer. But when you factor in the things that matter most: ability to make momentum-changing shots, taking care of the ball, Curry doesn't strike me as better than other ATGs he's better than as a shooter and ball-handler.

And this is ignoring era and rule differences.

[tontoz]

Did you miss the part where he said you don't have to run around pin down screens and shoot a bunch of threes to be an elite ofball player :facepalm

Jordan actually was excellent off pin downs and baseline screens shooting the midrange, that's neither here nor there though. A guy like Dwade is an EXCELLENT off the ball player even with a mediocre catch and shoot game, his off ball movement was to get layups and dunk though, it's just skinning the cat a different way.

Jordan was even better in that respect AND had an otherworldly catch and shoot game in the mid range. Some of really think y'all know basketball and don't know your heads from your behinds smh


Cutting to the basket is something all wings do. That is nothing special. Jordan and Wade are certainly better at it than most due to their athleticism but cutting to the basket doesn't make them great off the ball players.

If they are at the 3 point line guys can sag off them without fear. They make the court smaller for the defense.

Nobody is leaving Steph behind the line. He frequently gets double teamed without the ball when he comes off a screen behind the line.

Jordan had the ball in his hands more than anyone in NBA history. Hard to be a great off the ball player when the ball is in your hands more than anyone else.

[Hey Yo]

offensively he is. I have said that CURRY is the offensive GOAT.. Still his team will lose vs the EAST..

They are just missing too many players imo.. Durant, West, Mcgee from last seasons team.. And KD and Cousins from this years team..

If he can win a title this season than he has to get consideration for TOP 10 ALL TIME..
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Posting up a lot doesn't make a guy a great off the ball player. He did that all the time, especially in his 30s.

Standing on the perimeter waiting for Paxon's pass doesn't make him a great off the ball player.

When Jordan passed it was frequently to an open shooter who would take the shot. He wouldn't pass then run through screens the way Steph/Klay do now.

Jordan didn't shoot 3s much, or well, so his defenders had less court to cover.

:oldlol: @ the revisionist history from the Jordan stans.

lol @ you thinking that Jordan's off-ball game consisted of standing in the post waiting for a pass or standing on the perimeter waiting for a pass. :hammerhead: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

They won 72 the next full season with MJ, so STFU. And won 69 and 64 games the following two seasons with MJ, so STFU again.
:oldlol:

What happen when he came back with 17 games left in the season to try to win another ring the cheapest way possible?

[tontoz]

lol @ you thinking that Jordan's off-ball game consisted of standing in the post waiting for a pass or standing on the perimeter waiting for a pass. :hammerhead: :roll:


That isn't all he did, but he did both a lot. That is just a fact.

I remember Steve Smith being interviewed and he said Jordan was easier to cover than Reggie Miller. Reggie was constantly running around screens wearing Smith out.

Jordan did do that. Jordan went to work after he got the ball and he had the ball more than anyone in NBA history. Cutting without the ball was not the norm for him. The norm was having the ball or waiting for the ball.

[Showtime80']

Here's a nice little MJ off ball compilation for what it's worth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2X5QlJCHk

[sportjames23]

lol @ you thinking that Jordan's off-ball game consisted of standing in the post waiting for a pass or standing on the perimeter waiting for a pass. :hammerhead: :roll:


Right?

For the uninitiated, MJ's off-ball game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2X5QlJCHk

edit: Showtime beat me to it.

[sportjames23]

:oldlol:

What happen when he came back with 17 games left in the season to try to win another ring the cheapest way possible?


He didn't form a super team, so I don't know how coming back late in the season almost TWO WHOLE years away and not being in great basketball shape is trying to win a ring in the cheapest way possible.

Bron got ya'll stans so messed up, you really believe the shit you say. :oldlol:

[Showtime80']

LOL at MJ not being covered at the 3 point line!!! Listen to what MJ says at the start of the video, basically a prophetic look at what the modern horrible NBA has become, a bunch of guys standing around the 3 point line waiting for kick outs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=136s

MJ represented the same danger as Steph Curry as long as he was ON THE FLOOR even without the ball. Unlike Steph Curry, MJ could put your team in early foul trouble with his constant pressure up the middle, something a volume 3 point shooter just doesn't do.

[tontoz]

Here's a nice little MJ off ball compilation for what it's worth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2X5QlJCHk

:roll:


That's what you call great off the ball play, taking 3 steps at half speed before receiving the ball?

I couldn't get halfway through the vid without laughing.

If you guys think that is great off the ball play we will have to agree to disagree.

[Showtime80']

LOL at MJ not being covered at the 3 point line!!! The guy would've been guarded sitting on the bench if it were allowed! He just had the most insane hangtime in history that allowed him to shoot over ANYBODY that was assigned to him.

Listen to what MJ says at the start of the video, basically a prophetic look at what the modern horrible NBA has become, a bunch of guys standing around the 3 point line waiting for kick outs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=136s

MJ represented the same danger as Steph Curry as long as he was ON THE FLOOR even without the ball. Unlike Steph Curry, MJ could put your team in early foul trouble with his constant pressure up the middle, something a volume 3 point shooter just doesn't do.

[sportjames23]

:roll:


That's what you call great off the ball play, taking 3 steps at half speed before receiving the ball?

I couldn't get halfway through the vid without laughing.

If you guys think that is great off the ball play we will have to agree to disagree.


SMH at this foolishness. :no:

[Showtime80']

Again Tontoz, MJ was 6'6, incredibly strong, cat quick and with the most insane hang time EVER!!! He didn't need as much space as Curry or Miller to get a great look at the basket.

Now if want to argue pound for pound in a vacuum, I agree that Curry and Reggie move better without the ball but they needed to be better to be successful, Michael Jordan didn't.

[Hey Yo]

He didn't form a super team, so I don't know how coming back late in the season almost TWO WHOLE years away and not being in great basketball shape is trying to win a ring in the cheapest way possible.

Bron got ya'll stans so messed up, you really believe the shit you say. :oldlol:
Tell that to the Knicks who had the best defense in the league who MJ dropped 55pts on his 5th game back.................. @MSG

No mention of rust whatsoever UNTIL the Bulls got eliminated.

[tontoz]

Again Tontoz, MJ was 6'6, incredibly strong, cat quick and with the most insane hang time EVER!!! He didn't need as much space as Curry or Miller to get a great look at the basket.

.


I agree, which is one reason why he didn't work as hard off the ball to get good looks.


Now if want to argue pound for pound in a vacuum, I agree that Curry and Reggie move better without the ball but they needed to be better to be successful, Michael Jordan didn't

I agree again.

Jordan didn't need off the ball movement to get good shots off. He didn't need the pick and roll. He just needed the ball, which he had most of the time.

Jordan exerted a lot of energy on defense, more so than typical star players. He was an elite defender who would get pissed when he went to the bench and a sub let his man score.

He also exerted a lot of effort when he had the ball. He attacked the basket all the time, especially as a young player. He also took a lot of abuse on his drives. Flagrant fouls now would just be average fouls then.

Off the ball is when he would frequently take a break. That isn't a knock, just a fact.

[sportjames23]

Tell that to the Knicks who had the best defense in the league who MJ dropped 55pts on his 5th game back.................. @MSG

No mention of rust whatsoever UNTIL the Bulls got eliminated.

Um, no. He was unsteady all that time. He had 17 regular season games with NO preseason, and you think he was in top condition? He had one--ONE--great game in that timeframe, but he still wasn't playing at his normal levels. Hell, the Bulls had some problems with Charlotte in the first round, dropping a game. Every other season in which they won the championship, they swept the first round.

[Showtime80']

That's why he's the greatest of all time Hey Yo, even after 1 year and more than a half off he could still have a performance like that against the Knicks but his timing was wayyy off due to not being in basketball shape without a proper training camp. A lot of players commented on this most notably Nick Anderson and even Scottie Pippen. He tried to play the same game he did in the first three peat and his body just was not up to it.

Michael shot 41% from the field in those 17 games, that's the LOWEST of his career including the Wizards years. After a proper training camp, surveying the NBA landscape and re-tooling his game he came back shooting 50% in 1996 as well as 49% and 47% the next two seasons.

That's another thing that MJ should get more credit for, dominating the game with a completely different style than what he displayed prior to his first retirement while also doing it against a totally different generation of players. That alone gives him a Muhammad Ali quality that NO ONE else in the top 10 has.

[RRR3]

They won 72 the next full season with MJ, so STFU. And won 69 and 64 games the following two seasons with MJ, so STFU again.
Were you in tears when you typed this out?

[Showtime80']

I agree with your point Tontoz!

I'm not an MJ fan who thinks he's the best at EVERY aspect of basketball, it doesn't work that way. The reason why I think he's the greatest of all time is that he checks the most boxes out of any player in history but that does not mean that other players were not better than him in specific skills of the game.

Believe me I LOATHED MJ specially when he eviscerated my childhood hero and team in the 1991 Finals but after the years have gone by you just learn to accept the fact that the guy was in another tier compared to Kareem, Magic, Bird, Kobe or Russell. You just had to be there to understand.

[sportjames23]

Were you in tears when you typed this out?

Who are you again?

[sd3035]

Jordan would do well in today's league

A strong defender and 18-20 ppg guy with great athleticism

[elementally morale]

I LOATHED MJ specially when he eviscerated my childhood hero and team in the 1991 Finals but after the years have gone by you just learn to accept the fact that the guy was in another tier compared to Kareem, Magic, Bird, Kobe or Russell. You just had to be there to understand.


As a 1 on 1 player he was in another tier, yes. As a teamplayer he was not. Basketball is 5 on 5 now and it was 5 on 5 back then. There is a reason MJ had a hard time defeating the Celtics and the Pistons. And he was unable to do that until he got some great teammates and an all-time great coach.

As far as offensive impact is concerned, Magic and Bird were no worse than Jordan. Peak Shaq I'd argue was even better (more impactful).

[Showtime80']

It amazes me that people still think the 1994 Bulls were the exact 1993 team minus MJ which is absolutely false!!!

The Bulls added Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington and Pete Myers to the team for 1994, the first four guys would become VITAL in the Bulls second three-peat. Here are those players stats combined for 1994:

43ppg
18rbs
12assts
4stls
2blks

That more than made up for the absence of Jordan's 32ppg, 7 rbs, 6assts, 3 stls and 1blk.

Couple that with the fact that Pippen, Grant and Armstrong had their best years along with Phil at the helm and veterans like Cartwright, Paxson, Williams and King. That was enough to keep them at 50+ wins in the regular season but what happened in the playoffs without MJ?!? Second round exit!

Substitute MJ for Pete Myers in 1994 and that team wins around 72-75 games and ROUTS its way to its 4th straight championship!!!

[tontoz]

For the record I still have MJ as the best player ever. His defense, day to day intensity and consistent clutch play throughout his career put him on top to me.

However I was rooting for the Suns and Jazz to beat him in the Finals. I wanted to see some other guys get rings.

[RRR3]

It amazes me that people still think the 1994 Bulls were the exact 1993 team minus MJ which is absolutely false!!!

The Bulls added Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington and Pete Myers to the team for 1994, the first four guys would become VITAL in the Bulls second three-peat. Here are those players stats combined for 1994:

43ppg
18rbs
12assts
4stls
2blks

That more than made up for the absence of Jordan's 32ppg, 7 rbs, 6assts, 3 stls and 1blk.

Couple that with the fact that Pippen, Grant and Armstrong had their best years along with Phil at the helm and veterans like Cartwright, Paxson, Williams and King. That was enough to keep them at 50+ wins in the regular season but what happened in the playoffs without MJ?!? Second round exit!

Substitute MJ for Pete Myers in 1994 and that team wins around 72-75 games and ROUTS its way to its 4th straight championship!!!
So MJ was easily replaced by Toni Kukoc and scrubs?

GOAT my ass.

[TheCorporation]

Jordan would do well in today's league

A strong defender and 18-20 ppg guy with great athleticism

Agreed. An Andre Roberson type with better scorer

[RRR3]

Agreed. An Andre Roberson type with better scorer
More like a DeRozan type. His defense wouldn’t look so good having to guard actual professional athletes instead of literal grocery baggers like John Starks.

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=RRR3]More like a DeRozan type. His defense wouldn

[superduper]

[QUOTE=RRR3]More like a DeRozan type. His defense wouldn

[tontoz]

Looks like it is back to the regularly scheduled low IQ trolling.

[Showtime80']

I agree Morale, he definitely was not the greatest team player from 1985 to 1990 and he forced the issue on numerous occasions because of lack of trust, but I think people really are unfair in judging him in his defeats against the Celtics and Pistons. Larry Bird and Isiah both had 3 to 4 all-star caliber players around them during that era, who was MJ rolling with?!? Orlando Wooldridge? Charles Oakley? rookies/second year Pippen and Grant?!?

Even Phil Jackson was A NOBODY in 1990, and Michael still gave the back to back Pistons the toughest challenge in 1989 (with Doug Collins as a head coach no less) and 90. Michael Jordan sold the WORLD on Phil Jackson and the triangle because if you put PJ on a middle of the road/loosing team in the early 90's he would've probably been forgotten within 3 years! MJ made Phil and his offense!

Michael just needed to trust the system along with his role players and that was it!!! Look at how deadly one dimensional guys like Paxson, Hodges and Armstrong became when he started kicking out to them on a consistent basis, even Bill Cartwright became a dependent low post scorer when ever the Bulls slowed it down an needed an easy bucket.

Michael could do just more in terms of covering space and unlocking angles in ways that Magic and Larry could never achieve! His godly athleticism and basketball expertise was a combination that we'll probably never see and allowed him to achieve more with less help than Bird, Magic and Isiah.

[LostCause]

Tell that to the Knicks who had the best defense in the league who MJ dropped 55pts on his 5th game back.................. @MSG

No mention of rust whatsoever UNTIL the Bulls got eliminated.

You sure?

So there was no mention of Jordan being rusty during those last regular season games where his efficiency was the worst it had ever been in his career?

Willing to bet your account on it? :oldlol:

[sd3035]

[QUOTE=RRR3]More like a DeRozan type. His defense wouldn

[Hey Yo]

You sure?

So there was no mention of Jordan being rusty during those last regular season games where his efficiency was the worst it had ever been in his career?

Willing to bet your account on it? :oldlol:
It was like the reoccurring theme for the way it is with Curry in the postseason.

When MJ played bad, "he's rusty!!!!" When he played good, no mention at all.

Curry plays bad "he's injured!!!!" When he plays good, no mention.

[3ball]

As a 1 on 1 player he was in another tier, yes. As a teamplayer he was not. Basketball is 5 on 5 now and it was 5 on 5 back then. There is a reason MJ had a hard time defeating the Celtics and the Pistons. And he was unable to do that until he got some great teammates and an all-time great coach.

As far as offensive impact is concerned, Magic and Bird were no worse than Jordan. Peak Shaq I'd argue was even better (more impactful).
Boston and Detroit already had all-time teammates and MJ had none - that's why MJ lost to them

But once he got just 1 great teammate, he was unbeatable.. MJ was the most unbeatable - 6 rings in 8 seasons with all-star teammate - lebron is 3 for 10 by comparison, and lost several years with 2 all-star teammates.. other guys lose the same way like durant, bird, and magic - only MJ was basically unbeatable with an all-star (he only lost in 90' because of Pip's migraine and 95' was his baseball year)





As far as offensive impact is concerned, Magic and Bird were no worse than Jordan. Peak Shaq I'd argue was even better (more impactful)

.
MJ tied pippen in assists and led the Bulls in scoring by a wide margin when their offenses ranked 1st, 1st, and 2nd from 91-93' (their 92' offense was #2 all-time) - but in 1994 (no Mike), the bulls cratered to #14 in the league..

so #2 all-time to #14 in the league.. :confusedshrug:.. that's the impact... keep in mind that MJ was scoring champ each year

Also, there's the teamwork impact... It's hard to fit big scorers into a championship team, which is why no one ever won the scoring title and ring in the same season - except MJ of course (6 times)..

So he carried the biggest scoring load in history (scoring champion), while maintaining goat teamwork (championship) - this is goat, and proved his game could be the foundation for goat teamwork and ball movement... His non-ball-dominant scoring is the best demonstration that he's the goat scorer - it's what makes his ppg advantage remarkable and truly separates him from all peers.

(edit: Kareem and Shaq accomplished the scoring title/ring combo once each in their peak seasons of 71' and 00', respectively)

Btw, in the 96-98 playoffs, pippen averaged 17 on 41%, while the bulls were already playing 4 on 5 with rodman.. So their #1 offenses in 96' and 97' were based on teamwork, not talent.. again, MJ's non-ball-dominant game, unlimited repertoire and goat jumpshot proved to be conducive for goat teamwork
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[elementally morale]

3ball


You don't need to tell me your opinion for the following reasons:


1) I'm old enough to have been able to witness 80's and 90's basketball
2) You are boring

[tontoz]

You don't need to tell me your opinion for the following reasons:


1) I'm old enough to have been able to witness 80's and 90's basketball
2) You are boring

:oldlol:

I think he is just copying and pasting from previous posts because he keeps saying the same things over and over ad nauseam.

[LostCause]

It was like the reoccurring theme for the way it is with Curry in the postseason.

When MJ played bad, "he's rusty!!!!" When he played good, no mention at all.

Curry plays bad "he's injured!!!!" When he plays good, no mention.

Not really true

I can easily cite plenty of articles from that actual time period where Jordan

[Turbo Slayer]

I agree with you brother. If I saw Dingo just suddenly playing hitting threes all day, I will be demoralized.

However, it doesn't change the fact that MJ is the GOAT and Curry is a top 15, arguably top 10 player. No point in arguing that.

:D

[AirFederer]

For the record I still have MJ as the best player ever. His defense, day to day intensity and consistent clutch play throughout his career put him on top to me.

However I was rooting for the Suns and Jazz to beat him in the Finals. I wanted to see some other guys get rings.
As a Jordan fan I agree with your stand on this matter. I really think that within todays game Dingo is even more impactful than MJ was on offense. It