Worst Finals #2 option?

[TheCorporation]

Im too lazy to make a full list so let's make this a collective effort. I'll start the list. Let's look for 15 ppg and under

[1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[2.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[3.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[4.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[5.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[6.] '96 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
[7.] '98 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
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**updated on page 2

[Im so nba'd out]

Terry Porter(91-92 Blazers) 16 ppg.


Yes, Terry Porter was the #2 option on a 90s Final team



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No this is not a High school track coach...

[PeroAntic]

Lebron 2011. You dumb fvcks don't deserve anything more than the GOAT failure being thrown in your face over and over again for your constant retarded trolling that normal people around here have to put up with.

[paksat]

l39ron 15-17

[TheCorporation]

Lebron 2011. You dumb fvcks don't deserve anything more than the GOAT failure being thrown in your face over and over again for your constant retarded trolling that normal people around here have to put up with.

18 on 49% ?

Hmm, no

[TheCorporation]

Terry Porter(91-92 Blazers) 16 ppg.


Yes, Terry Porter was the #2 option on a 90s Final team



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No this is not a High school track coach...

Added :cheers: Thanks bruddah

Added!


Diamondssss

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[bigkingsfan]

Lebron 2011. You dumb fvcks don't deserve anything more than the GOAT failure being thrown in your face over and over again for your constant retarded trolling that normal people around here have to put up with.
They upset the #1 seeded, MVP derrick rose.

[TheCorporation]

Lebron 2011. You dumb fvcks don't deserve anything more than the GOAT failure being thrown in your face over and over again for your constant retarded trolling that normal people around here have to put up with.


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[bullettooth]

This guy

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[TheCorporation]

This guy

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18 ppg on 48%

Curry Finals averages before KD

[LostCause]

You guys have Terry Porter in 92 as one of the worst 2nd options? Dude was ballin out that year, especially in the playoffs

:biggums:

Complete morons in this thread. Close and delete!

[SouBeachTalents]

2006 Antoine Walker

[LostCause]

18 ppg on 48%

Curry Finals averages before KD

Tell you what. Who was the worst Finals FIRST option?

I think the guy who played at the level of Drew Gooden has an impenetrable case

[G0ATbe]

Dellavadova in 2015

[TheCorporation]

Dellavadova in 2015

:eek:

[TheCorporation]

2006 Antoine Walker

Updated :rockon:

[Big164]

2015 Iggy


16ppg



He wear Nikes tho...

[ImKobe]

Lebron in 2011

Oh wait, he was the 3rd option :kobe:

[TheCorporation]

Careful Kobe fan, he is ON the list :lol

List update

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 8.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 9.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[10.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

[ImKobe]

Careful Kobe fan, he is ON the list :lol

List update

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 8.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 9.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[10.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

The ppg is skewed for Kobe because he was injured in the first quarter and missed the rest of the game and played hurt for the rest of the series, he averaged ~20 ppg if you take away that game. '00 Kobe isn't anywhere near the worst because he was an elite defensive player and closed out a Finals road game with Shaq fouled out & also closed out the series late in Game 6.

[TheCorporation]

2015 Iggy


16ppg



He wear Nikes tho...

No

Not even close :lol

[jayfan]

Who was Houston's #2 option in '94?




.

[TheCorporation]

Who was Houston's #2 option in '94?




.

They made Finals in 94 not 93

And 94 Maxwell is on the list :cheers:

[3ball]

Regular Season

J HORNACEK:f. 17.7 PER.. 58.2 ts.. 0.154 WS/48.. 3.0 BPM.. 117 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 16.4 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.110 WS/48.. 0.2 BPM.. 109 ortg.. 108 drtg


Playoffs

J HORNACEK:f. 16.5 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.145 WS/48.. 3.9 BPM.. 116 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 13.9 PER.. 55.7 ts.. 0.094 WS/48.. 0.9 BPM.. 107 ortg.. 109 drtg





Worst Finals #2 option


Was Klay Thompson ever the leading scorer on a 55 win team that beat Magic's Lakers the prior year and made the WCF for the 2nd year in a row?

Because Hornacek was in 91-92' for the Suns..

And did Klay ever average 5.8 apg for 8 years like Hornacek from 88-94' (16/4/6), including a 19/4/7 and 20/5/5 season?... Klay averages like 1 APG - he's just a robot 3-point shooter, not a nuanced offensive player that could hurt you at any moment anywhere on the court (not just outside the 3-pt line), and in more ways (passing and scoring)

Btw, MJ was mostly guarded by Byron Russell, as the record shows (https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-09-2019/m9HSej.gif)

[TheCorporation]

Regular Season

J HORNACEK:f. 17.7 PER.. 58.2 ts.. 0.154 WS/48.. 3.0 BPM.. 117 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 16.4 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.110 WS/48.. 0.2 BPM.. 109 ortg.. 108 drtg


Playoffs

J HORNACEK:f. 16.5 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.145 WS/48.. 3.9 BPM.. 116 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 13.9 PER.. 55.7 ts.. 0.094 WS/48.. 0.9 BPM.. 107 ortg.. 109 drtg



Was Klay Thompson ever the leading scorer on a 55 win team that beat Magic's Lakers the prior year and made the WCF for the 2nd year in a row?

Because Hornacek was in 92' for the Suns before he became an all-star for the jazz in 93'..

And did Klay ever average 5.8 apg for 8 years like Hornacek from 88-94' (16/4/6), including a 19/4/7 and 20/5/5 season?... Klay averages like 1 APG - he's just a robot 3-point shooter, not a nuanced offensive player that could hurt you at any moment anywhere on the court (not just outside the 3-pt line), and in more ways (passing and scoring)

Btw, MJ was mostly guarded by Byron Russell, as the record shows (https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-09-2019/m9HSej.gif)

List update

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 8.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 9.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[10.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

[Real14]

Worst final 2nd option was your dad not pulling out in time.

[Real14]

Who was Houston's #2 option in '94?




.
Kenny smith or Maxwell right?

[3ball]

When you include efficiency, Pippen's 15.7 on 34% is the worst of all time (96')

Otoh, Mosgov averaged 14 on 55%

[TheCorporation]

When you include efficiency, Pippen's 15.7 on 34% is the worst of all time (96')

Otoh, Mosgov averaged 14 on 55%

So LBJ got him better looks? :lol

Nice try baby boy

[3ball]

So LBJ got him better looks? :lol

Nice try baby boy




Nah, bad offense was standard for Pippen - he was bad in most big series the bulls played:



1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


The bulls had to learn to win despite Pippen's anemic offense

One way they managed was to have MJ take all the shots down the stretch of games


Phil Jackson to teammates during 4th quarter of 91' Finals:

Don't leave Michael all alone here.. it's not time YET (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=30m20s)..


Pippen's stats during 96-98' playoffs - 17 on 40.8%

[jayfan]

Who were these teams' #2 options?

'01 Sixers?
'02 Nets?
'03 Nets?
'06 Mavericks?
'09 Magic?

[paksat]

Lebron in 2011

Oh wait, he was the 3rd option :kobe:

LOL










































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[TheCorporation]

Who were these teams' #2 options?

'01 Sixers?
'02 Nets?
'03 Nets?
'06 Mavericks?
'09 Magic?

The list has been updated..

List update

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 8.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 9.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[10.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

[TheCorporation]

Lebron in 2011

Oh wait, he was the 3rd option :kobe:

Is 18 ppg more or less than 2001 Kobe 15ppg

18 > 15
?

[paksat]

Is 18 ppg more or less than 2001 Kobe 15ppg

18 > 15
?


2004 - missed playoffs

2005 - missed playoffs despite the East all-star center on his team

2006 - 2nd round elimination

2007 - 2-seeded Cavs beat 1-seeded Pistons to make Finals (lebron averaged 21 on 41% outside of game 5; 25 on 45% overall)..... then 22 on 36% in Finals sweep loss

2008 - 26 on 35% in ecsf loss

2009 - loses with 60-win 1 seed

2010 - loses with 60-win 1 seed (record - no one ever lost with 60-win 1 seed for two straight yrs)

Then said "fck this, I can't handle being such a loser" and teamed up with the #2 and #4 players in PER aka the best small forward and shooting guard in the league



























































???

[And1AllDay]

The list has been updated..

List update

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 8.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 9.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[10.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

So wait up now

LBJ had 3 of the top 10 worst teammates and Mike Jordan faced 2 of the top 10 worst


Cant make this stuff up :oldlol: :oldlol:

[rmt]

The list has been updated..

List update

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 8.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 9.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[10.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)


What about 20 year old '03 Parker - 14.0 ppg 4.2 asst 38.6%FG 60.9%FT

[TheCorporation]

So wait up now

LBJ had 3 of the top 10 worst teammates and Mike Jordan faced 2 of the top 10 worst


Cant make this stuff up :oldlol: :oldlol:

:roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

What about 20 year old '03 Parker - 14.0 ppg 4.2 asst 38.6%FG 60.9%FT


Good call brotha :cheers:

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]The list has been updated..

List update!!

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

[rmt]

Good call brotha :cheers:

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]The list has been updated..

List update!!

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

Actually, that'd be sista.

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]Good call brotha :cheers:



Actually, that'd be sista.

:eek:

Good call sista :cheers:

[rmt]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

Hate to be picky but maybe Parker should be moved up to #6.

20 year old Parker - 14.0 ppg 4.2 asst 38.6%FG 60.9%FT is WORSE than
28 year old Mozgov - 14.0 ppg 7.5 rebs 55.1%FG 75.0%FT

[Bronbron23]

Im too lazy to make a full list so let's make this a collective effort. I'll start the list. Let's look for 15 ppg and under

[1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[2.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[3.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[4.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[5.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[6.] '96 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
[7.] '98 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
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**updated on page 2
Horn was never a second option.

[TheCorporation]

Horn was never a second option.

False, I already listed the year too :facepalm

Google 1998 NBA Finals

[Bronbron23]

False, I already listed the year too :facepalm

Google 1998 NBA Finals
Are you joking? Stockton scored 1 less point per game but was way more efficient and 6 more assists a game. Last time I checked creating shots for others was offence too.

Your way off on this one man

[72-10]

instead of using that methodology. I'll just name some - Ewing's help in 99 (Houston?), Sam Cassell in 94 and 95, Kenyon Martin in 02 and 03, LeBron's help in 07.

[FKAri]

instead of using that methodology. I'll just name some - Ewing's help in 99 (Houston?), Sam Cassell in 94 and 95, Kenyon Martin in 02 and 03, LeBron's help in 07.
Lebron's help in 2015. After Kyrie and Love the two biggest contributors were Dellavedova and Mozgov. LeJesus made those two look so good that they both straight up STOLE money on their next contracts.

[72-10]

actually 'twas Keith Van Horn who was 2nd for those Nets wasn't it

[Vino24]

Lebron's help in 2015. After Kyrie and Love the two biggest contributors were Dellavedova and Mozgov. LeJesus made those two look so good that they both straight up STOLE money on their next contracts.
Boobie Gibson was pretty bad just saying. Delly at least had defense

[LostCause]

LeBron's help in 07.

LeBron played like his help in 07.

[TheCorporation]

actually 'twas Keith Van Horn who was 2nd for those Nets wasn't it

Google is your friend


Kidd , Martin

You're welcome

[And1AllDay]

So Mike faced 2 people in the top 10 worst all time :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone notice MJs opponents are both on this list in seperate years :oldlol: :oldlol:

[LostCause]

Did you notice the #3 person on that list came dangerously close to outplaying LsBron going by your favorite GameScore?

That’s pretty crazy. Drew Gooden

[3ball]

No one has shown me a worse scoring and efficiency combo than pippen's 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals

Because it doesn't exist.. it's the worst offensive performance ever for a 2nd option

[And1AllDay]

No one has shown me a worse scoring and efficiency combo than pippen's 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals

Because it doesn't exist.. it's the worst offensive performance ever for a 2nd option

Oh so you missed the list let me repost for you

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

[TheCorporation]

List update!!

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)[/QUOTE]

Anyone care to comment?

[PickernRoller]

Fresh thread bump...

https://i.ibb.co/XDcYFYd/Ronnie.jpg

[superduper]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone notice MJs opponents are both on this list in seperate years :oldlol: :oldlol:

'08 Gasol :eek:

[superduper]

List update!!

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

Anyone care to comment?

'08 Gasol :eek:

[TheCorporation]

'08 Gasol :eek:

What about Gooden and Mozgov who did even worse :lol

[Manny98]

LeBron literally had no help in half of his finals

Imagine Timothy f*cking Mozgov as your sidekick :roll: :roll: :roll:

Does he even play anymore lol

[TheCorporation]

LeBron literally had no help in half of his finals

Imagine Timothy f*cking Mozgov as your sidekick :roll: :roll: :roll:

Does he even play anymore lol

Dude was Bron's #2 option :lol :lol


Crazy :eek:

[egokiller]

Who were these teams' #2 options?

'01 Sixers?
'02 Nets?
'03 Nets?
'06 Mavericks?
'09 Magic?

The Sixers had Mutombo who averaged 16.8 ppg in a 5 game finals series.

[Cleverness]

Lebron in 2011

Oh wait, he was the 3rd option :kobe:

prime lebron = finals 3rd option

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bawkish]

prime lebron = finals 3rd option

:roll: :roll: :roll:

dallas finals 3rd option >>>>> heat finals 3rd option :lol :lol

[Gougou]

2014 Wade #2 option was whack as hell.


If 2014 Wade avged 25 points a game they might beat the Spurs.


But I think Spurs during that series gives Heat 0 chance tho.

[SamuraiSWISH]

1)

[And1AllDay]

prime lebron = finals 3rd option

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yep how good was wade ball in 11 'and bran ball in 12' and 13'

[LostCause]

What about Gooden and Mozgov who did even worse :lol
Gooden played as well as LeBron did going by your beloved GameScore. So if you think he played badly, you must

[Turbo Slayer]

LeGoat during the regular season and he will turn into LeBrick in the finals. Sorry.

:rockon:

[SpaceJam2]

The list has been updated..

List update!!

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

Is this real life

[PickernRoller]

Poor Wade had to put with Lebron in 2011.

[SpaceJam2]

Poor Wade had to put with Lebron in 2011.

2014 Wade made the list :eek:

[Overdrive]

I'll just name some - Ewing's help in 99 (Houston?)

Wtf, that team made the Finals without Ewing as an 8th seed. The '99 Heat and Pacers were really good teams aswell.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Iverson 2001 had the most inept bums ...

Derrick Rose had he got the Finals but he had a bum squad too. And he was facing a cowardly triumvirate of the two best players in the league and arguably the best or second best PF.

But Iverson, easily. How soon people forget. Aaron McKie? Eric Snow? George Lynch? Tyrone Hill?

[red1]

2011 lbj




almost choked to death right there on the court that series.

[SpaceJam2]

2011 lbj




almost choked to death right there on the court that series.

Close to 10.7 :bowdown:

[SpaceJam2]

The list has been updated..

List update

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 8.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 9.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[10.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)


So two of MJ's opponents made the list...

:lol :lol

Cupcake era

[TheCorporation]

So two of MJ's opponents made the list...

:lol :lol

Cupcake era

Supposedly it's a "tough" era when guys are scoring 10 ppg :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Kawhi just won with an awful number 2 option. Jordan won multiple finals with an awful number 2 option.

Hakeem in 94 didnt exactly have an elite all time player playing with him.

[TheCorporation]

Kawhi just won with an awful number 2 option. Jordan won multiple finals with an awful number 2 option.

Hakeem in 94 didnt exactly have an elite all time player playing with him.

Let's see then, here's the current list:

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

Kawhi's 2019 #2 option put up 19.8 :lol So no, not close

How did MJ face two of the top 10 worst #2 options in Finals history?

#1 Hornacek in 98 and #9 Stockton in 97

[TheCorporation]

Lebron 2011. You dumb fvcks don't deserve anything more than the GOAT failure being thrown in your face over and over again for your constant retarded trolling that normal people around here have to put up with.

Are you ok?

How are literal facts trolling? Sheesh

Get a grip

[Mr Feeny]

Let's see then, here's the current list:

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

Kawhi's 2019 #2 option put up 19.8 :lol So no, not close

How did MJ face two of the top 10 worst #2 options in Finals history?

#1 Hornacek in 98 and #9 Stockton in 97

The fact that you think Hornacek was Malone's 2nd option says it all.

[RealSkipBayless]

Let's see then, here's the current list:

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

HM
[11.] '00 Bryant (15.6 ppg)

Kawhi's 2019 #2 option put up 19.8 :lol So no, not close

How did MJ face two of the top 10 worst #2 options in Finals history?

#1 Hornacek in 98 and #9 Stockton in 97
Season stats
Lowry (all-star) 14 ppg 9 assists
Gasol 16/9
Ibaka 15/8 on high efficiency
Siakim 17/7 on high efficiency (most improved player)

All-star + emerging young star + 2 walking double doubles

How much help does Kawhi need?

[TheCorporation]

The fact that you think Hornacek was Malone's 2nd option says it all.

Pull it up, let me know

Or are you saying his #2 scored even LESS than 10.7 !?

[TheCorporation]

How tf does LeBron have 3 of the top 10 worst scoring teammates in NBA history? :lol


Gooden 07
Wade 14
Mozgov 15

[Mr Feeny]

Pull it up, let me know

Or are you saying his #2 scored even LESS than 10.7 !?

Ok this is too stupid to even address.

[LostCause]

How tf does LeBron have 3 of the top 10 worst scoring teammates in NBA history? :lol


Gooden 07
Wade 14
Mozgov 15

That moment you realize Gooden in 07 has about the same GameScore as LeBron that same year

[Gileraracer]

LeExcuse

[Manny98]

How tf does LeBron have 3 of the top 10 worst scoring teammates in NBA history? :lol


Gooden 07
Wade 14
Mozgov 15
LeBron had absolutely 0 help for most of his career :facepalm

Imagine MJ getting to the finals with Drew Gooden as his second option, impossible :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron had absolutely 0 help for most of his career :facepalm

Imagine MJ getting to the finals with Drew Gooden as his second option, impossible :oldlol:

Imagine Jordan failing to beat an old Dirk +trash bags with prime Wade and Bosh? Imagine hik being outscored in the final by a bench player?

We can do this all day long.

[Manny98]

Imagine Jordan failing to beat an old Dirk +trash bags with prime Wade and Bosh? Imagine hik being outscored in the final by a bench player?

We can do this all day long.
That Heat team had no depth whatsoever and had no chemistry the first year so no

[Gileraracer]

LeBron had absolutely 0 help for most of his career :facepalm

Imagine MJ getting to the finals with Drew Gooden as his second option, impossible :oldlol:


"no help"

Shaq
Ray Allen
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Ben Wallace
Jerry Stackhouse
Mike Bibby
Rajon Rondo
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Mo Williams
Carlos Boozer
Antawn Jamison
Shawn Marion
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LostCause]

That Heat team had no depth whatsoever and had no chemistry the first year so no

And yet no other top superstar would

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=LostCause]And yet no other top superstar would

[Manny98]

"no help"

Shaq
Ray Allen
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Ben Wallace
Jerry Stackhouse
Mike Bibby
Rajon Rondo
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Mo Williams
Carlos Boozer
Antawn Jamison
Shawn Marion
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose


:roll: :roll: :roll:
Pretty much everyone you just listed were well past their primes when LeBron played with them :facepalm

[LostCause]

Yes they would have stop lying

You people act like those Mavericks are trash when they literally swept the defending champions on the way to the finals. SWEPT

And that Heat team had the worst bench in NBA history. I cant even remember who was the starting Center on the 11 Heat he was so trash :roll:

Never said the Mavs were trash

But any other top superstar would've won in LeBrons place.

Also you're getting carried away talking about benches. I remember Bron stans used to post this a while back to talk about how "stacked" Jordans teams were, but take a look at where the 2011 Heat are in comparison to the 2011 Mavs

https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/paine-datalab-lebron-cast-2.png?w=575

ANY Top 15 player would've won that series in LeBrons shoes. Period. Don't even get started on being outscored by Jason Terry, except maybe Bill Russell

Probably even Top 20

[Manny98]

No one is winning with that garbage depth and Wade dominating the ball as much as he did that series :oldlol:

Reminder Kobe got SWEPT by the exact same Mavs team

[GimmeThat]

let me guess, he wasn't faster than your 1st option and you couldn't get your 3ball going

[LostCause]

No one is winning with that garbage depth and Wade dominating the ball as much as he did that series :oldlol:


I guess no other Top 15 player would be able to get a Gamescore over 13 for that series either huh

Or score in the 4th quarter :lol

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg

You Bron stans get dumber by the hour

[Manny98]

I guess no other Top 15 player would be able to get a Gamescore over 13 for that series either huh

Or score in the 4th quarter :lol

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2icbfnm.jpg

You Bron stans get dumber by the hour
Why did top 15 Kobe get swept by the exact same team :confusedshrug:

[Phoenix]

That Heat team had no depth whatsoever and had no chemistry the first year so no



And that Heat team had the worst bench in NBA history. I cant even remember who was the starting Center on the 11 Heat he was so trash :roll:

And yet with a lack of chemistry, no depth and a starting center you can't remember, they still made it through the east over established teams.

So either:

1) The eastern conference was weak enough that a team with that many flaws, by your own word, was good enough to get to the finals. So poor conference competition comes into question, or

2) A healthy Lebron and Wade duo, with Bosh as third wheel, was enough of a talent edge over the majority of the league( including the Mavs team they were up 2-1 on before Lebron folded in game 4), meaning Lebron had 'enough halp' to win a title his first year in Miami. They were able to 4-1 a Boston team that was a bounce or two from the previous year's championship and tied for number 1 ranked defense, and a Bulls squad led by the season MVP who shared the number 1 ranked defense ranking with the aforementioned Celtics.

Which story did you want to run with?

[Mr Feeny]

That Heat team had no depth whatsoever and had no chemistry the first year so no

Which has what to do with the fact that any top 10 player would have easily won had they been in that position?

[LostCause]

Why did top 15 Kobe get swept by the exact same team :confusedshrug:

I said in LeBrons PLACE. Kobe didn't get swept playing next to D-Wade (Who balled out that series)

Which of these players would fail to score in the 4th quarter in LeBrons place:

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Oscar
West
Garnett
KD
Dr.J
Russell

Only one I can think of is Russell

[Andrei89]

Im too lazy to make a full list so let's make this a collective effort. I'll start the list. Let's look for 15 ppg and under

[1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[2.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[3.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[4.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[5.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[6.] '96 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
[7.] '98 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
[
**updated on page 2

If Lebron does not fail so hard in the 2011 finals. He has 4 championships and 3 FMVPs.

Wade also has 2 FMVPs easily.

Horrible choke job and one of the most dramatic production fall in history compared to his regular season, playoffs and then finals.

Kobe stans --> Lebron Lebron Lebron
Lebron stans- Lebron lebron lebron

= all what ISH is nowdays

[Manny98]

I said in LeBrons PLACE. Kobe didn't get swept playing next to D-Wade (Who balled out that series)

Which of these players would fail to score in the 4th quarter in LeBrons place:

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Oscar
West
Garnett
KD
Dr.J
Russell

Only one I can think of is Russell
You really going to act like those players didn't have any choking moments

I'm pretty sure MJ scored 2 points in the 4th quarter against the Pistons in 89

KD played with Westbrook and Harden and still got obliterated by the Mavs in 5 games

Larry Bird had a 9 point finals game

Kobe got swept

[Manny98]

Which has what to do with the fact that any top 10 player would have easily won had they been in that position?
Kobe got swept ...

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe got swept ...

Read my post again.

[Gus Hemmingway]

I said in LeBrons PLACE. Kobe didn't get swept playing next to D-Wade (Who balled out that series)

Which of these players would fail to score in the 4th quarter in LeBrons place:

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Oscar
West
Garnett
KD
Dr.J
Russell

Only one I can think of is Russell


Go watch the 2004 Finals

[LostCause]

You really going to act like those players didn't have any choking moments

I'm pretty sure MJ scored 2 points in the 4th quarter against the Pistons in 89

KD played with Westbrook and Harden and still got obliterated by the Mavs in 5 games

Larry Bird had a 9 point finals game

Kobe got swept
You

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=LostCause]

So your argument is that NONE of those players would

[LostCause]

Its not guaranteed no, any perimeter player would have struggled that series with the way Dallas defended LeBron.

No they wouldn

[Phoenix]

Its not guaranteed no, any perimeter player would have struggled that series with the way Dallas defended LeBron.

The Bulls in the ECFs with Taj Gibson, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah spearheading the number ranked defense in the league, posed a greater defensive challenge than the Mavs and Lebron put up 26/8/7 on 57% TS. The Mavs didn't pose some insurmountable defensive challenge he hadn't already overcome, so no. He simply shrunk from the moment. As Lostcause succinctly put, any version of Lebron from 2012 to 2018 would have played exponentially better and the Heat comfortably win in 6.

[Mr Feeny]

Its not guaranteed no, any perimeter player would have struggled that series with the way Dallas defended LeBron.

What's the point in even discussing basketball with this kid:oldlol:

[Manny98]

Also you have to factor in LeBron having to go through the Celtics and the Bulls two top tier defenses so obviously fatigue would be a issue

He still shot 47% for the series and gave you 7 rebounds and 7 assists. Hardly a chokejob tbh hes was just a little passive because LeBron had a beta mentality at the time and was willing to let Wade take over

Unfortunately Wade wasn't good enough to be the go to scorer and win so LeBron had to take over and the Heat proceeded to win the next two seasons :applause:

[Phoenix]

Also you have to factor in LeBron having to go through the Celtics and the Bulls two top tier defenses so obviously fatigue would be a issue

He still shot 47% for the series and gave you 7 rebounds and 7 assists. Hardly a chokejob tbh hes was just a little passive because LeBron had a beta mentality at the time and was willing to let Wade take over

Unfortunately Wade wasn't good enough to be the go to scorer and win so LeBron had to take over and the Heat proceeded to win the next two seasons :applause:

LMAO. Fatigue? A 26 year old Lebron has no fatigue excuse in 2011. Wade was the best player against the Celtics carrying the largest scoring burden. If he wasn't a 'good enough' lead scorer then why did the Heat win in 5? Wade was the Heat's leading scorer when Miami went up 2-1, then Lebron goes on to score 8 points in a pivotal game 4 when Wade scored 32 and Bosh 24. And they lost by 3. Guess who didn't do their part, you useless waste of sperm, time and space.

Nobody but limp-dicked cucks like you use the 'but but but still got 7 rebounds and assists' bullshit in some lame ass 'he got his statz' excuse. The Heat would have won if Lebron had done something like 24/6/6. Shit, give a 23/5/5 effort for fukk sakes.That's the 'statz' he needed, not 18/7/7. You can win a game being outrebounded and out-assisted, but not outscored. To further emphasis that point, the Heat won the rebound and assist battle, so clearly garnering his share of stats in that category was immaterial to the outcome of the series. Lebron failed the Heat as the scoring option he had provided all season long and through the playoffs.

Also, the beta excuse runs thin. This is the same guy who rang off 25 straight points as a younger, more raw talent against the Pistons to seize control of that series back in 2007. This is the same Lebron who scored 45 in game 7 against the Champion Celtics in 2008. There was nothing beta about Lebron in 2011, he simply shrunk from the pressure of the finals.

I'll save you the trouble of replying with the typical bullshit that you and the other asshole fukking up the board retorts with...

M E L T D O W N.

Ok, now go fillet some fish or flip a burger you stupid little boy.

[LAmbruh]

Manny got his lapdog Phoenix spinning around his finger:oldlol:

[Manny98]

LeBron was willing to let Wade shine and he couldn't get it done simple as that

We all know what LeBron did the 2 years after that after realizing Wade couldn't get the job done as the first option...

https://media.giphy.com/media/ll6mzNSxg6lVK/giphy.gif

[Phoenix]

LeBron was willing to let Wade shine and he couldn't get it done simple as that

We all know what LeBron did the 2 years after that after realizing Wade couldn't get the job done as the first option...

https://media.giphy.com/media/ll6mzNSxg6lVK/giphy.gif

https://www.nba.com/media/heat/wade7_300_060620.jpg

Shaquille Oneal 2006 finals stats: 14/10/3

Try again.

[Manny98]

https://www.nba.com/media/heat/wade7_300_060620.jpg

Shaquille Oneal 2006 finals stats: 14/10/3

Try again.
2007-2010 Wade couldn't get past the first round

Try again

[Phoenix]

2007-2010 Wade couldn't get past the first round

Try again

That has....what...to do with the above picture? Lebron was getting cucked by Boston and needed to team with Wade to beat them when the Big 3 were all 35 years old. Go on basketball reference like you do everything else. Wade in 2010 played better against Boston than Lebron and Kobe. He also played better when they beat them in 2011.

Try again.

[Phoenix]

Manny got his lapdog Phoenix spinning around his finger:oldlol:

I take posts like this as a victory handshake for me, so thanks. :cheers:

[egokiller]

That has....what...to do with the above picture? Lebron was getting cucked by Boston and needed to team with Wade to beat them when the Big 3 were all 35 years old. Go on basketball reference like you do everything else. Wade in 2010 played better against Boston than Lebron and Kobe. He also played better when they beat them in 2011.

Try again.

Wade was #2 in PER in 2010. Got em again.

https://media.giphy.com/media/OOk8lcWaFqDZybIDLO/giphy.gif

[Manny98]

That has....what...to do with the above picture? Lebron was getting cucked by Boston and needed to team with Wade to beat them when the Big 3 were all 35 years old. Go on basketball reference like you do everything else. Wade in 2010 played better against Boston than Lebron and Kobe. He also played better when they beat them in 2011.

Try again.
Wade was a first round losing bum the 4 years prior to playing with LeBron

The Heat won 2/3 in the years LeBron was the alpha and 0/1 as the co-alpha

Let's not forget how the Heat went back to being a lottery team after LeBron left

[Manny98]

LMAO. Fatigue? A 26 year old Lebron has no fatigue excuse in 2011. Wade was the best player against the Celtics carrying the largest scoring burden. If he wasn't a 'good enough' lead scorer then why did the Heat win in 5? Wade was the Heat's leading scorer when Miami went up 2-1, then Lebron goes on to score 8 points in a pivotal game 4 when Wade scored 32 and Bosh 24. And they lost by 3. Guess who didn't do their part, you useless waste of sperm, time and space.

Nobody but limp-dicked cucks like you use the 'but but but still got 7 rebounds and assists' bullshit in some lame ass 'he got his statz' excuse. The Heat would have won if Lebron had done something like 24/6/6. Shit, give a 23/5/5 effort for fukk sakes.That's the 'statz' he needed, not 18/7/7. You can win a game being outrebounded and out-assisted, but not outscored. To further emphasis that point, the Heat won the rebound and assist battle, so clearly garnering his share of stats in that category was immaterial to the outcome of the series. Lebron failed the Heat as the scoring option he had provided all season long and through the playoffs.

Also, the beta excuse runs thin. This is the same guy who rang off 25 straight points as a younger, more raw talent against the Pistons to seize control of that series back in 2007. This is the same Lebron who scored 45 in game 7 against the Champion Celtics in 2008. There was nothing beta about Lebron in 2011, he simply shrunk from the pressure of the finals.

I'll save you the trouble of replying with the typical bullshit that you and the other asshole fukking up the board retorts with...

M E L T D O W N.

Ok, now go fillet some fish or flip a burger you stupid little boy.
What a Meltdown btw :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Wade was a first round losing bum the 4 years prior to playing with LeBron

The Heat won 2/3 in the years LeBron was the alpha and 0/1 as the co-alpha

Let's not forget how the Heat went back to being a lottery team after LeBron left

The Heat missed the playoffs in 2015 because Wade missed 20 games and Bosh missed 38. With that said, they were one game from the 8th seed. The following year Wade played 73 games and even with Bosh missing 29, went to game 7 of the conference semifinals.

Try again.

[Phoenix]

What a Meltdown btw :oldlol:

Another 'I can't reply' victory handshake.:cheers: Thank you, now I'm craving a fish sandwich. Get to work.

[Manny98]

Imagine failing to get past the first round for 4 years straight :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

What a Meltdown btw :oldlol::eek:

He just rekt you only you're too stupid to realize it :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Imagine failing to get past the first round for 4 years straight :roll: :roll: :roll:

Imagine 34 year old Wade almost making the conference finals. Then imagine 34 year old Lebron missing the playoffs his first year in the west.

:roll: :roll: :applause:

[Manny98]

You know you lost when you're completely going off topic :sleeping

I win again.

[TheMan]

Holy crap, must mentally exhausting being a Bran stan and doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to come up with new and original excuses as to why their King is 3/9 :eek:

[Phoenix]

You know you lost when you're completely going off topic :sleeping

I win again.

No more off-topic than talking about Wade between 2007 and 2010 to retort what he did in 2006. One has nothing to do with the other.

Above is the 'oh ****, another point I can't refute so I'll cry off-topic' white flag.

I win. :cheers:

[TheMan]

Imagine 34 year old Wade almost making the conference finals. Then imagine 34 year old Lebron missing the playoffs his first year in the west.

:roll: :roll: :applause::oldlol:
34 year old MJ was winning rings...

34 year old LBJ was out fishing

It's

Ova

:hammertime:

[Phoenix]

:oldlol:
34 year old MJ was winning rings...

34 year old LBJ was out fishing

It's

Ova

:hammertime:


:lebronamazed:

[Manny98]

No more off-topic than talking about Wade between 2007 and 2010 to retort what he did in 2006. One has nothing to do with the other.

Above is the 'oh ****, another point I can't refute so I'll cry off-topic' white flag.

I win. :cheers:
What has what Wade done in 06 got anything to do with 2011 you inbred

[Manny98]

Holy crap, must mentally exhausting being a Bran stan and doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to come up with new and original excuses as to why their King is 3/9 :eek:
I'm not the one losing my marbles over comments from Gilbert Arenas :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

The Bulls in the ECFs with Taj Gibson, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah spearheading the number ranked defense in the league, posed a greater defensive challenge than the Mavs and Lebron put up 26/8/7 on 57% TS. The Mavs didn't pose some insurmountable defensive challenge he hadn't already overcome, so no. He simply shrunk from the moment. As Lostcause succinctly put, any version of Lebron from 2012 to 2018 would have played exponentially better and the Heat comfortably win in 6.
James and Wade agreed that Wade would be first option in the Finals. LeBron hadn't taken a backseat since probably his 8th grade or Freshman year in H.S

Then we saw what happen over the next 2yrs when Wade publically handed the reigns over to LeBron the following season.

[superduper]

James and Wade agreed that Wade would be first option in the Finals. LeBron hadn't taken a backseat since probably his 8th grade or Freshman year in H.S

Then we saw what happen over the next 2yrs when Wade publically handed the reigns over to LeBron the following season.

Hey bro did you ever consider the factor that Wade in 2012 and 2013 had a highere Gamescore than LeGOAT in 2011 and wasn't a completely useless and pathetic sack of sorry shit as a supporting teammate compared to LePlague?

[Phoenix]

What has what Wade done in 06 got anything to do with 2011 you inbred

Because it refutes your point that Wade wasn't a good enough first option when he had proven that he was able to lead a team to a championship. It refutes that in 2011 the Heat were up 2-1 in the finals being led by Wade's scoring until Lebron's meltdown midway through. Those are the facts of what happened, so your little retarded opinion that 'Wade wasn't a good enough first option' is irrelevant.

Also when you steal my lines, that's another white flag.....inbreed. Now go make me a fish sandwich.

[Hey Yo]

If Lebron does not fail so hard in the 2011 finals. He has 4 championships and 3 FMVPs.

Wade also has 2 FMVPs easily.

Horrible choke job and one of the most dramatic production fall in history compared to his regular season, playoffs and then finals.

Kobe stans --> Lebron Lebron Lebron
Lebron stans- Lebron lebron lebron

= all what ISH is nowdays
Regular season = 26-7-7 on 51% shooting

Finals = 18-7-7 on 48% shooting

Look at that huge production fall :rolleyes: :confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

Hey bro did you ever consider the factor that Wade in 2012 and 2013 had a highere Gamescore than LeGOAT in 2011 and wasn't a completely useless and pathetic sack of sorry shit as a supporting teammate compared to LePlague?
I never said Wade was useless in 2012 or 13 you dumbfvck.

:facepalm

[Phoenix]

James and Wade agreed that Wade would be first option in the Finals. LeBron hadn't taken a backseat since probably his 8th grade or Freshman year in H.S

Then we saw what happen over the next 2yrs when Wade publically handed the reigns over to LeBron the following season.

You've said that before. Is there a link for that, or just your little bedtime story to rock yourself to sleep? When did this agreement take place, because Lebron was the leading scorer in game 1. So you're saying that the Heat, after winning game 1 with Lebron being the lead scorer, decided to SHIFT strategy from what had worked? Or did they shift after game 3 when they were up 2-1 going back home. Tell us how that conversation went. 'Hey guys, we're up 2-1 with home court. So this is what we'll do, let's GO AWAY from what's working and have Lebron score 8 points in game 4 we can put our throats on the Mavs'. Something like that?

Furthermore, Bosh averaged more than Lebron that series so if we're going to play your little game, he failed at being the second option too.

[Hey Yo]

You've said that before. Is there a link for that, or just your little bedtime story to rock yourself to sleep?

Furthermore, if such an agreement was in place, what does that have to do with Lebron scoring 8 points in game 4? Was that part of the plan? Kyrie was 2nd option in 2016 and 2017 and averaged 27 and 29ppg in the series, so being second option to Wade in 2011 doesn't mean 'play like a passive beta'. Furthermore, Bosh averaged more than Lebron that series so if we're going to play your little game, he failed at being the second option too.
No link...... but all you have to do is watch the ECF and see the drastic change in Miami's approach on offense from that, to the Finals.

Scoring 8pts wasn't part of the plan.

They both avg. 18ppg

If Wade was oil that ran the fine tuned machine, then why the need for him to intentionally / voluntarily take a backseat for the next 3yrs?

[TheCorporation]

LeBron was willing to let Wade shine and he couldn't get it done simple as that

We all know what LeBron did the 2 years after that after realizing Wade couldn't get the job done as the first option...

https://media.giphy.com/media/ll6mzNSxg6lVK/giphy.gif

Bingo

[TheCorporation]

How tf does LeBron have 3 of the top 10 worst scoring teammates in NBA history? :lol


Gooden 07
Wade 14
Mozgov 15

Anyone?

[Mr Feeny]

Seriously, what's the point of a guy logging in and out of 20 alts to agree with himself?
I cant even fathom how sad this is. That's just plain...weird.

[Phoenix]

No link...... but all you have to do is watch the ECF and see the drastic change in Miami's approach on offense from that, to the Finals.

Scoring 8pts wasn't part of the plan.

They both avg. 18ppg

If Wade was oil that ran the fine tuned machine, then why the need for him to intentionally / voluntarily take a backseat for the next 3yrs?

No link, so basically I don't need to waste much timing humoring the bullshit. The Heat were up 2-1. There's no reason why they would suddenly go away from what was working in the finals, or what got them TO the finals.

Glad you at least didn't attempt to justify the 8 points. There's hope, albeit a sliver.

Bosh averaged 18.5 and Lebron 17.8 with Bosh taking 2 more shots over the series. The difference was fairly negligible but the point is, if Lebron was
determined the 2nd option per your Aesop's fable, that wasn't reflected either in their scoring averages or their shot attempts. And at a point, if there was a decision to 'make Lebron 2nd option' and this reversed the way the series was trending, there was nothing stopping Lebron from undoing this 'strategy' and taking on a more aggressive position. We saw that in 2007 against Detroit. We saw it in 2008 game 7 against Boston. So let's not act like he didn't have a switch he couldn't flick purely out of survival. He's frankly too good and deserves better than silly little fairy-tales being concocted for him by people who can't simply accept that he failed in 2011. In fact, if Eric Spoelstra orchestrated such a move he should have been fired after the finals.

Lebron was 27 coming into his peak. Wade being older and not quite as good at that stage made it an obvious move. Furthermore, Wade and Lebron's styles were pretty redundant, both were mostly effective on the ball and the team offense had to revolve around the 'my turn, your turn' offense that eventually did them in against Dallas. So the ball was put in Lebron's hands, and Wade played off that. But let's not be silly and act like the Heat couldn't have won in 2011 if Lebron didn't 'defer' to second option or whatever narrative you want to run with. Lebron, historically, is a better player than Wade, so there's no reason for you to concoct bullshit stories for why he failed in 2011.

[TheCorporation]

Seriously, what's the point of a guy logging in and out of 20 alts to agree with himself?
I cant even fathom how sad this is. That's just plain...weird.

Agreed brody :cheers:

[TheCorporation]

No link, so basically I don't need to waste much timing humoring the bullshit. The Heat were up 2-1. There's no reason why they would suddenly go away from what was working in the finals, or what got them TO the finals.

Glad you at least didn't attempt to justify the 8 points. There's hope, albeit a sliver.

Bosh averaged 18.5 and Lebron 17.8 with Bosh taking 2 more shots over the series. The difference was fairly negligible but the point is, if Lebron was
determined the 2nd option per your Aesop's fable, that wasn't reflected either in their scoring averages or their shot attempts. And at a point, if there was a decision to 'make Lebron 2nd option' and this reversed the way the series was trending, there was nothing stopping Lebron from undoing this 'strategy' and taking on a more aggressive position. We saw that in 2007 against Detroit. We saw it in 2008 game 7 against Boston. So let's not act like he didn't have a switch he couldn't flick purely out of survival. He's frankly too good and deserves better than silly little fairy-tales being concocted for him by people who can't simply accept that he failed in 2011. In fact, if Eric Spoelstra orchestrated such a move he should have been fired after the finals.

Lebron was 27 coming into his peak. Wade being older and not quite as good at that stage made it an obvious move. Furthermore, Wade and Lebron's styles were pretty redundant, both were mostly effective on the ball and the team offense had to revolve around the 'my turn, your turn' offense that eventually did them in against Dallas. So the ball was put in Lebron's hands, and Wade played off that. But let's not be silly and act like the Heat couldn't have won in 2011 if Lebron didn't 'defer' to second option or whatever narrative you want to run with. Lebron, historically, is a better player than Wade, so there's no reason for you to concoct bullshit stories for why he failed in 2011.

Why did Wade take 5.6 more FGA per game in the Finals compared to the previous playoff round?

Some people didn't know this so here it goes:

2011 ECF
LeBron: 18.8 FGA, 25.8 ppg on 45%
Wade: 15.8 FGA, 18.8 ppg on 40%

LeBron took 3 more FGA per game than Wade


2011 Finals
LeBron: 15.0 FGA, 17.8 ppg on 48%
Wade: 18.0 FGA, 26.5 ppg on 55%
Wade took 3 more FGA per game than LeBron :wtf:

Recap

Leading up to the Finals, LeBron had taken more FGA in the ECSF and the ECF by an average of 2.6 shots per game; however, in the Finals Wade turned this around into Wade-ball by shooting 3 more than LeBron, for a net difference of 5.6 FGA per game (From +2.6 to -3.0).

Did Wade sabotage LeBron James in 2011?

[Mr Feeny]

Agreed brody :cheers:

So why do you keep doing it then? Since you know it's stupid.

[TheCorporation]

So why do you keep doing it then? Since you know it's stupid.

https://i.postimg.cc/jSzDvzMx/tenor.gif

[Phoenix]

Why did Wade take 5.6 more FGA per game in the Finals compared to the previous playoff round?

Some people didn't know this so here it goes:

2011 ECF
LeBron: 18.8 FGA, 25.8 ppg on 45%
Wade: 15.8 FGA, 18.8 ppg on 40%

LeBron took 3 more FGA per game than Wade


2011 Finals
LeBron: 15.0 FGA, 17.8 ppg on 48%
Wade: 18.0 FGA, 26.5 ppg on 55%
Wade took 3 more FGA per game than LeBron :wtf:

Recap

Leading up to the Finals, LeBron had taken more FGA in the ECSF and the ECF by an average of 2.6 shots per game; however, in the Finals Wade turned this around into Wade-ball by shooting 3 more than LeBron, for a net difference of 5.6 FGA per game (From +2.6 to -3.0).

Did Wade sabotage LeBron James in 2011?

The Heat were up 2-1, with Wade being the leading scorer through game 4. Lebron goes on to score 8 points in a game they lose by 3 with Wade scoring 32 and Bosh 24.

So I ask....

Did Lebron sabotage Dwyane Wade's FMVP chances in 2011?

By the way, I like Lebron. He deserves better than lame asses like you defending him with simpleton arguments.

[TheCorporation]

The Heat were up 2-1, with Wade being the leading scorer through game 4. Lebron goes on to score 8 points in a game they lose by 3 with Wade scoring 32 and Bosh 24.

So I ask....

Did Lebron sabotage Dwyane Wade's FMVP chances in 2011?

By the way, I like Lebron. He deserves better than lame asses like you defending him with simpleton arguments.

Leading up to the Finals, LeBron had taken more FGA in the ECSF and the ECF by an average of 2.6 shots per game; however, in the Finals Wade turned this around into Wade-ball by shooting 3 more than LeBron, for a net difference of 5.6 FGA per game (From +2.6 to -3.0).

Did Wade sabotage LeBron in 2011?

[Phoenix]

Leading up to the Finals, LeBron had taken more FGA in the ECSF and the ECF by an average of 2.6 shots per game; however, in the Finals Wade turned this around into Wade-ball by shooting 3 more than LeBron, for a net difference of 5.6 FGA per game (From +2.6 to -3.0).

Did Wade sabotage LeBron in 2011?

The Heat were up 2-1, with Wade being the leading scorer through game 4. Lebron goes on to score 8 points in a game they lose by 3 with Wade scoring 32 and Bosh 24.

So I ask....

Did Lebron sabotage Dwyane Wade's FMVP chances in 2011?

:confusedshrug:

[RealSkipBayless]

:oldlol:
34 year old MJ was winning rings...

34 year old LBJ was out fishing

It's

Ova

:hammertime:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

The Heat were up 2-1, with Wade being the leading scorer through game 4. Lebron goes on to score 8 points in a game they lose by 3 with Wade scoring 32 and Bosh 24.

So I ask....

Did Lebron sabotage Dwyane Wade's FMVP chances in 2011?

:confusedshrug:

Leading up to the Finals, LeBron had taken more FGA in the ECSF and the ECF by an average of 2.6 shots per game; however, in the Finals Wade turned this around into Wade-ball by shooting 3 more than LeBron, for a net difference of 5.6 FGA per game (From +2.6 to -3.0).

Did Wade sabotage LeBron in 2011?

[Phoenix]

Leading up to the Finals, LeBron had taken more FGA in the ECSF and the ECF by an average of 2.6 shots per game; however, in the Finals Wade turned this around into Wade-ball by shooting 3 more than LeBron, for a net difference of 5.6 FGA per game (From +2.6 to -3.0).

Did Wade sabotage LeBron in 2011?

The Heat were up 2-1, with Wade being the leading scorer through game 4. Lebron goes on to score 8 points in a game they lose by 3 with Wade scoring 32 and Bosh 24.

So I ask....

Did Lebron sabotage Dwyane Wade's FMVP chances in 2011?

:confusedshrug:

[Manny98]

Wade couldn't win a playoff series from 2007-2010.

LeBron joins him and he goes to 4 straight finals and wins 2 championships.

LeBron leaves and Wade fails to make the playoffs the year after

Phoenix explain :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

Wade couldn't win a playoff series from 2007-2010.

LeBron joins him and he goes to 4 straight finals and wins 2 championships.

LeBron leaves and Wade fails to make the playoffs the year after

Phoenix explain :confusedshrug:

This gun b good

[TheCorporation]

Is this eye opening? :eek:

MJ faced the top 10 worst #2 options b2b in Finals history

Stockton in 97 (15.0)
Hornacek in 98 (10.7)

Who WOULDNT beat these guys?

[And1AllDay]

Is this eye opening? :eek:

MJ faced the top 10 worst #2 options b2b in Finals history

Stockton in 97 (15.0)
Hornacek in 98 (10.7)

Who WOULDNT beat these guys?


wow

talk about cupcake opponents

modern day bill russell

mike russell jordan

[Stringer Bell]

It was a defensive series and all, but among champions, the 94’ Rockets put together some awful offense outside of Hakeem.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1994-nba-finals-knicks-vs-rockets.html

Maxwell was the 2nd leading scorer for Houston, he averaged 13.4 PPG on 13.7 FGA, 36.5% FG, 44.5% TS

Horry was 3rd, he averaged 10.3 PPG on 10.6 FGA, 32.4% FG, 43.2% TS

Cassell was better, he averaged 10 PPG on 42.2% FG, 61.5% TS

Everyone shits on Starks, but the Knicks backcourt outplayed Houston’s backcourt. Hakeem really outplayed Ewing and that was the main difference in the series.

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=Stringer Bell]It was a defensive series and all, but among champions, the 94

[Manny98]

Wade couldn't win a playoff series from 2007-2010.

LeBron joins him and he goes to 4 straight finals and wins 2 championships.

LeBron leaves and Wade fails to make the playoffs the year after

Phoenix explain :confusedshrug:
Phoenix?

[LostCause]

Phoenix?

LeBron himself stated he went to Miami to learn how to win. Wade was already there. Had already won. Bron left his hometown to go to him

Easy

[Phoenix]

Phoenix?

This is when you know you're in someone's head. As soon as they wake up their first priority is bumping a nearly 2 month old thread just to attract my attention. There's no woman next to you you could be coddling with or fukking? That's a rhetorical question, we all know you wouldn't know a pusssy if one sat on your face.

Jesus Christ this is pathetic. :oldlol:

[rmt]

Wade couldn't win a playoff series from 2007-2010.

LeBron joins him and he goes to 4 straight finals and wins 2 championships.

LeBron leaves and Wade fails to make the playoffs the year after

Phoenix explain :confusedshrug:

It's not like Wade didn't win a ring and FMVP before Lebron. In the context of this thread, Wade was already a proven winner/champion compared to say a 2nd year, 20 year old Tony Parker.

[Manny98]

It's not like Wade didn't win a ring and FMVP before Lebron. In the context of this thread, Wade was already a proven winner/champion compared to say a 2nd year, 20 year old Tony Parker.
Wade hasn't proven shit without Shaq or LeBron by his side

He couldn't even get past the first round after Shaq left the Heat

[Phoenix]

Wade hasn't proven shit without Shaq or LeBron by his side

He couldn't even get past the first round after Shaq left the Heat

Lebron has a demonstrated ability to carry teams to a lesser degree of failure than Wade has. Meaning, losing at any point short of a championship is failure when talking about GOAT level players where championships is what separates the best of the best. If Lebron is a better player peak for peak....and he is......then his net results should speak to that. None of that dismisses that....

Wade's finals in 2006 is better than many of Lebron's finals, or that dropping Shaq's name in there like we're talking 2000 Shaq when he was far from that by that point is disingenuous.... there's a lot of finals where the version of Lebron we saw doesn't get Miami that title. 2007. 2011. 2012. 2013. 2014. None of those finals were good enough to have gotten the Heat over Dallas if you just swapped the two. 2015 he put up a gaudy statline because let's face it, nobody does 'look at my stats' better than Lebron. But he had to chuck his way to 36ppg on shit efficiency to do so.

or that Lebron's fukkup in 2011 is the main reason the Heat blew a 2-1 lead to Dallas.....

or that Wade missed the playoffs in 2008 due to being injured, just like Lebron missed the playoffs this year....

Or that the Heat missed the 2015 playoffs mostly because Wade and Bosh missed too many games, but their final record clearly shows that they were a playoff team under better health conditions...

or that a 34 year old Wade with sawdust for knees came 1 game from the conference finals in 2016 without Chris Bosh.

[Phoenix]

There are really two years that you can directly hold Wade's feet to the fire for. 2009, when despite an MVP level season he came up short because I feel his greatness should have gotten the Heat over Atlanta.

And 2010, when Wade lost to the same Celtics team that made Lebron its bitch. And even in that scenario, Wade was better against the Celtics in 2010 than Lebron was and facing a major talent deficit. That same Celtics squad pushed Lebron's shit in twice before he ran to Wade to overcome them in 2011, all key players except Rondo in their mid 30's by then.......and Wade was the best player in that series.

[Manny98]

No one pushed LeBrons shit in f*ck outta here

LeBron took the Celtics to 7 games in 08 & 6 games in 2010 and would have won if he had a half decent second option instead of garbage Mo Williams like Kobe has Gasol

Also Wade got gentleman swept by those same Celtics in the 1st round lol hence why he got on his knees begging for LeBron to join him in Miami as he didn't have Shaq no more

[TheCorporation]

Wade couldn't win a playoff series from 2007-2010.

LeBron joins him and he goes to 4 straight finals and wins 2 championships.

LeBron leaves and Wade fails to make the playoffs the year after

Phoenix explain :confusedshrug:

This gun b good

Anyone?

[Phoenix]

No one pushed LeBrons shit in f*ck outta here

LeBron took the Celtics to 7 games in 08 & 6 games in 2010 and would have won if he had a half decent second option instead of garbage Mo Williams like Kobe has Gasol

Also Wade got gentleman swept by those same Celtics in the 1st round lol hence why he got on his knees begging for LeBron to join him in Miami as he didn't have Shaq no more

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Imagine saying this with a straight face. 2010 Celtics went in as raw as Delonte did on Gloria.

Saying he took the 2008 version to 7 would be impressive if not for the fact that the 37 win Hawks did the same in the first round.

And Wade would have won in 2011 if he had a half decent second option.

http://i.imgur.com/pSngI.jpg

[Mr Feeny]

No one pushed LeBrons shit in f*ck outta here

LeBron took the Celtics to 7 games in 08 & 6 games in 2010 and would have won if he had a half decent second option instead of garbage Mo Williams like Kobe has Gasol

Also Wade got gentleman swept by those same Celtics in the 1st round lol hence why he got on his knees begging for LeBron to join him in Miami as he didn't have Shaq no more

The 2014 set the finals record for margin of victory and then the 2017 Warriors broke that. Lebron literally owns the 2 biggest failures in finals history.

He lost as the top seed in back to back years in 2009 and 2010. The first against Dwight Howard plus scrubs and the second against a bunch of geriatrics.

Wade on the other hand single handedly led the Heat to the 2006 title without needing a top 5 player with him.

[Mr Feeny]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Imagine saying this with a straight face. 2010 Celtics went in as raw as Delonte did on Gloria.

Saying he took the 2008 version to 7 would be impressive if not for the fact that the 37 win Hawks did the same in the first round.

And Wade would have won in 2011 if he had a half decent second option.

http://i.imgur.com/pSngI.jpg

Not even that. Lebron shot 35% for the series with 6 TO/g. It's on the shortlist of worst series by any top 10 player, ever. I cant even fathom the level of delusion to turn that into a positive.

[Phoenix]

Not even that. Lebron shot 35% for the series with 6 TO/g. It's on the shortlist of worst series by any top 10 player, ever. I cant even fathom the level of delusion to turn that into a positive.

The 2008 series? Yeah, pretty horrid until game 7 with the 45 pointer. He did have a good scoring game in 5 as well. He fairly should get credit for that, but 5 out of the 7 games that series? Yikes.

That Celtics squad seemed to play to their competition. There's no reason either the Cavs or Hawks should have taken them to 7.

[bullettooth]

Im too lazy to make a full list so let's make this a collective effort. I'll start the list. Let's look for 15 ppg and under

[1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[2.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[3.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[4.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[5.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)
[6.] '96 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
[7.] '98 Pippen (15.7 ppg)
[
**updated on page 2

Stockton and Malone, one of the most recognized duos in NBA history and you say Hornacek was the #2 option?

Are you a retard?

[ImKobe]

Stockton and Malone, one of the most recognized duos in NBA history and you say Hornacek was the #2 option?

Are you a retard?

Do you think these idiots look past the ppg column of the stat sheet?

[Manny98]

Not even that. Lebron shot 35% for the series with 6 TO/g. It's on the shortlist of worst series by any top 10 player, ever. I cant even fathom the level of delusion to turn that into a positive.
Yh against a top 5 defense in history and Kobe was just as bad if not worse against those same 08 Celtics

[Manny98]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Imagine saying this with a straight face. 2010 Celtics went in as raw as Delonte did on Gloria.

Saying he took the 2008 version to 7 would be impressive if not for the fact that the 37 win Hawks did the same in the first round.

And Wade would have won in 2011 if he had a half decent second option.

http://i.imgur.com/pSngI.jpg
He averaged 27/6/7 and took them to 7 games and came within a inch of beating them how is that getting pushed in you f*cking clown

Idc what the Hawks did taking a 67 win team to 7 games with your second option being Delonte West is a very impressive feat

You MJ stans love to brag about beating the 93 Suns like they were some superteam when they almost lost to the 39 win Lakers in the first round :oldlol:

[bullettooth]

Do you think these idiots look past the ppg column of the stat sheet?

Good point.

[Phoenix]

He averaged 27/6/7 and took them to 7 games and came within a inch of beating them how is that getting pushed in you f*cking clown

Idc what the Hawks did taking a 67 win team to 7 games with your second option being Delonte West is a very impressive feat

You MJ stans love to brag about beating the 93 Suns like they were some superteam when they almost lost to the 39 win Lakers in the first round :oldlol:

The Hawks took that same team to 7. Those are the facts and it matters sweet fukk all whether you care about that reality or otherwise. It happened, deal with it.

Lebron was getting his shit pushed in for most of that series. A 27/6/7 statline bolstered by a 45 point game 7 that counteracted these 'stellar' performances:

Game 1: 12 points on 2/18 shooting
Game 2: 21 points on 6/24 shooting
Game 3: 21 points on 5/16 shooting
Game 4: 21 points on 7/20 shooting

Absolutely horrendous scoring numbers as a number one option for a player at this level. He shot 48% TS and 35% shooting. It's ok to call it it for what it is. MJ had his poor efficiency series as well. Not 35% bad, but he had them. 93 series against the Knicks he was like 40%. 41% against the Sonics. 39% vs the Heat in 97. I can quite easily admit those are stinkers in an efficiency context. Seems you can't. :confusedshrug:

[Manny98]

The Hawks took that same team to 7. Those are the facts and it matters sweet fukk all whether you care about that reality or otherwise. It happened, deal with it.

Lebron was getting his shit pushed in for most of that series. A 27/6/7 statline bolstered by a 45 point game 7 that counteracted these 'stellar' performances:

Game 1: 12 points on 2/18 shooting
Game 2: 21 points on 6/24 shooting
Game 3: 21 points on 5/16 shooting
Game 4: 21 points on 7/20 shooting

Absolutely horrendous scoring numbers as a number one option for a player at this level. He shot 48% TS and 35% shooting. It's ok to call it it for what it is. MJ had his poor efficiency series as well. Not 35% bad, but he had them. 93 series against the Knicks he was like 40%. 41% against the Sonics. 39% vs the Heat in 97. I can quite easily admit those are stinkers in an efficiency context. Seems you can't. :confusedshrug:
MJs true shooting against the Heat was lower than LeBrons true shooting against the 08 Celtics despite the fact that the 08 Celtics are much superior defensively lol

And your boys toughest finals competition got took to 7 games (5 games) to a 39 win team in the first round:oldlol:

#notmygoat

[Phoenix]

MJs true shooting against the Heat was lower than LeBrons true shooting against the 08 Celtics despite the fact that the 08 Celtics are much superior defensively lol

And your boys toughest finals competition got took to 7 games (5 games) to a 39 win team in the first round:oldlol:

#notmygoat

The 07 Heat were the number one ranked defense that year. Yeah Boston in a historical context was better, but let's not act like Miami were scrubs. Lebron's 'higher' TS% was saved more or less by being slightly less pathetic from 3. MJ shot better from the field and the line, was woeful from 3. MJ's TS% against 93 Knicks was higher than Lebron in 2008 and they were a historically great defense, if we gonna play that game.

He actually is your GOAT, and Lebron is 11th. Lettuce not forget...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471511

Now, ain't it about time for your alt Lamebruh to chime in?

[Mr Feeny]

MJs true shooting against the Heat was lower than LeBrons true shooting against the 08 Celtics despite the fact that the 08 Celtics are much superior defensively lol

And your boys toughest finals competition got took to 7 games (5 games) to a 39 win team in the first round:oldlol:

#notmygoat

Not only does ts% not matter given that one was playing under handchecking and the other wasn't (therefore the latter had freethrows skew that number even when shot much worse than the former) but it doesnt account for turnovers.

Jordan's worst series ever -against the heat - was much better than Lebron's series vs Boston, any way you spin it.

[Phoenix]

Not only does ts% not matter given that one was playing under handchecking and the other wasn't (therefore the latter had freethrows scew that number even when shot much worse than the former) but it doesnt account for turnovers.

Jordan's worst series ever -against the heat - was much better than Lebron's series vs Boston, any way you spin it.

Bear in mind you're arguing with a guy who will quite merrily tell you he doesn't care about context.

"Lebron took the 2008 Celtics to 7!"
"But Manny, the 37 win Hawks did the same in first round."
"I don't care about that!!!!" :rant :hammerhead:

Few have been so happy to wear this level of stupidity on their sleeve.

[Mr Feeny]

Bear in mind you're arguing with a guy who will quite merrily tell you he doesn't care about context.

"Lebron took the 2008 Celtics to 7!"
"But Manny, the 37 win Hawks did the same in first round."
"I don't care about that!!!!" :rant :hammerhead:

Few have been so happy to wear this level of stupidity on their sleeve.

He isnt actually a Lebron stan though. He forgot to switch alts a week or so ago and had said that he thought Lebron was only 11th, all time. If his arguments seem TOO dumb, that's because they are.

[Phoenix]

He isnt actually a Lebron stan though. He forgot to switch alts a week or so ago and had said that he thought Lebron was only 11th, all time. If his arguments seem TOO dumb, that's because they are.

Yep. I've said before that anybody making arguments THIS stupid is actively trying to draw heat to Bron, not genuinely argue for him. Wouldn't surprise me if this dude was a Ray Finkle level MJ nut.

[Manny98]

Not only does ts% not matter given that one was playing under handchecking and the other wasn't (therefore the latter had freethrows skew that number even when shot much worse than the former) but it doesnt account for turnovers.

Jordan's worst series ever -against the heat - was much better than Lebron's series vs Boston, any way you spin it.
And the 08 Celtics are tiers ahead of the Heat defensively so your point is irrelevant

[Manny98]

Bear in mind you're arguing with a guy who will quite merrily tell you he doesn't care about context.

"Lebron took the 2008 Celtics to 7!"
"But Manny, the 37 win Hawks did the same in first round."
"I don't care about that!!!!" :rant :hammerhead:

Few have been so happy to wear this level of stupidity on their sleeve.
The reason i don't care about that is the same reason you don't care about the so called best team Jordan faced in the finals barely beating a 39 win Lakers team in the first round

[Phoenix]

The reason i don't care about that is the same reason you don't care about the so called best team Jordan faced in the finals barely beating a 39 win Lakers team in the first round

Nah, the reason you don't care about it is because it killed your argument. You presented Lebron taking that Celtics team to 7 like it was a unique accomplishment. It wasn't. You were praying on your life that you could sneak that point through without me dropping the truth that Joe Johnson, a fine player but exponentially worse that Lebron, did the same thing in the first round on a team that won 29 less games than those Celtics....and well 'not caring' and moving on to your next stupid argument is about your only recourse at that point.

The reality is lots of great teams get pushed by lesser opponents. In the grand scheme of it, it doesn't really matter a great deal. The Warriors this year had a massive talent edge on the Clippers and yet they dropped 2 games. This was the same team that swept the Cavs in 2018 and gentleman-swept them in 2017 when Kyrie was there. Am I supposed to deduce from this that last years Clippers team was better than the Cavs were in 2017 or 18? This happens enough to not act like its a universe-altering occurrence, and saying retarded shit like 'herp derp the Suns got taken to 7 by the 39 win Lakers!' like you stumbled on some irrefutably great logic or that there's no precedence for lesser teams playing better teams nearly dead even in a random series.......well it's just the kind of kindergarten trolling we can expect from you.

The 2008 Celtics played to their competition. How else can you explain the Cavs winning game 3 by 24 with Lebron going 21/8/5 on 31% shooting? Or game 4 with him doing 21/13/6 on 35% shooting? Solid rebounding and assist numbers, but putrid scoring numbers. It's one of two options:

A) The Celtics played to their competition which is why they took out the better Lakers and Pistons squads in 6, while the worse Hawks and Cavs took them to 7.

B) Lebron had more help than given credit for since the Cavs won 2 of their 3 games with Bron scoring below his average compounded by horrible efficiency.

There's no option C there. Pick one.

[Manny98]

Their is no such thing as "playing to your competition" that's BS those Hawks were a lot more talented than their record suggested

Also LeBron actually played great that series if you ignore the poor shooting. He was tremendous defensively and got to the free throw line a ton which caused a lot of problems for the Celtics

The stats are very misleading people who actually watched the games would know how great LeBron was that series outside of the first two games where he was dogshit

[Phoenix]

Their is no such thing as "playing to your competition" that's BS those Hawks were a lot more talented than their record suggested



Yeah there is. You still haven't addressed how the Cavs won 2 games with Lebron shooting 35 and 31%. Either the Celtics were playing down to a lesser team, or Lebron had more help than you're giving credit for in order to take the Celtics to 7. Of course you would never admit the latter to be true, so it has to be the former. You're not going to moonwalk your way out of either one lf those things being true.

[Manny98]

Yeah there is. You still haven't addressed how the Cavs won 2 games with Lebron shooting 35 and 31%. Either the Celtics were playing down to a lesser team, or Lebron had more help than you're giving credit for in order to take the Celtics to 7. Of course you would never admit the latter to be true, so it has to be the former. You're not going to moonwalk your way out of either one lf those things being true.
I just told you why, he was tremendous on defense and making plays for his teammates

Their is more to basketball than just scoring you know

And LeBron didn't have any help in 08, Cavs would be the worst team in the NBA without him

[Phoenix]

I just told you why, he was tremendous on defense and making plays for his teammates

Their is more to basketball than just scoring you know

And LeBron didn't have any help in 08, Cavs would be the worst team in the NBA without him

That Cavs team was solid defensively, 11th overall. Not elite but above average and it wasn't solely because of Lebron's defense.

Lebron didn't have any help? Only in the sense of star help. He had solid defenders and role players around him. Joe Smith, Varajeo, Booby Gibson, Pavlovic off the bench. Big Z and Ben Wallace in the frontcourt. Not too dissimilar a philosophy than the 2001 Sixers: surround a lone superstar with depth and defense. They actually outscored the Celtics 85 to 84.1 in that series in spite of Lebron's subpar offensive performance for most of the series. It's not because Lebron's defense singlehandedly broke the Celtics offense, they were getting contributions in spots that kept the series close while he fluttered about on offense outside of a couple games.

That said, they shouldn't have taken Boston to 7, way too much difference in overall talent and ability between the two teams. Neither should have Atlanta. A core of Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford shouldn't be looking eye to eye with Garnett, Allen and Pierce, with a young Rondo in tow, while they were still all-star players( KG was an MVP candidate and DPOY). So we're back to my original premise. Either Boston wasn't playing at their absolute best allowing Cleveland to make a series of it, or the Cavs were better than being Lebron James and a band of muppets.

[Manny98]

Imagine trying to say that the 08 Cavs were talented outside of LeBron

Boobie Gibson Joe Smith and Ben Wallaces corpse are you kidding me :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Imagine trying to say that the 08 Cavs were talented outside of LeBron

Boobie Gibson Joe Smith and Ben Wallaces corpse are you kidding me :oldlol: :oldlol:

Imagine saying the word talented as if that word was anywhere in my post. I said they were a defensive oriented team with Lebron as the sole star, similar to what Philly did in 2001. They weren't 'talented' in terms of star power either, but they got to the finals. Sometimes it's more than about individual stats, just like you say there's more to the game than scoring. Remember that?

Lebron in that series had HELP to win 2 games when he was only able to score 21 points on 31% shooting and they still win by double digits. He wasn't alone out there defending every other player, so obviously he had enough help, even if it was defensive help, in those instances to pull out games when his offense was horrible. How do you attest to them outscoring the Celtics over the series with Lebron being poor offensively for most of it? You can say he was out there making plays all you like, those plays still have to be converted and he averaged like 7 assists in that series. It's not like he was out there doing prime Stockton assist numbers.

GTFO with the 'Lebron was out there alone' bullshit.

[Manny98]

LeBrons second option that series...

https://i.postimg.cc/xdCWBq3L/delonte-west-is.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Phoenix]

LeBrons second option that series...

https://i.postimg.cc/xdCWBq3L/delonte-west-is.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Newsflash chico, Delonte West had 21/7/5 on 64% shooting in game 3. He had 2 other games scoring 21 points. This pic has what to do with what he did in 2008 on the court? Big Z had 22/12 in game 1, and other games of 19/5 and 12/8/6. They got contributions in different spots and their defense kept them in the series. Ray Allen averaged 9/3/2 on 33% shooting and 17% from 3. If he performed anywhere close to par the series wouldn't have gone 7.

I'm not sure why you're making fun of someone being homeless when your abode is some leaky fishing boat somewhere in the pacific.

[Manny98]

Newsflash chico, Delonte West had 21/7/5 on 64% shooting in game 3. He had 2 other games scoring 21 points. .
Because of LeBron spoonfeeding him every possession, what would Delonte be without LeBron?

Homeless :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron literally took a 67 win superteam to 7 games with a homeless man as his second option let that sink in :roll:

[Phoenix]

Because of LeBron spoonfeeding him every possession, what would Delonte be without LeBron?

Homeless :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron literally took a 67 win superteam to 7 games with a homeless man as his second option

Lebron's assist numbers accounted for 26% of the teams total made baskets. Assists from his teammates accounted for 34% of total made baskets. This would leave the other 40% as unassisted. League scoring average was 99ppg. These teams scored 85ppg. This was a defensive grind of a series and a collective effort. And again, posting off some leaky fishing boat why are you shitting on someone else's housing situation?

Rank the following Boston opponents in 2008:

37 win Hawks( took Boston to 7)
45 win Cavs ( took Boston to 7)
59 win Pistons ( took Boston to 6 )
57 win Lakers ( took Boston to 6)

[And1AllDay]

Because of LeBron spoonfeeding him every possession, what would Delonte be without LeBron?

Homeless :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron literally took a 67 win superteam to 7 games with a homeless man as his second option let that sink in :roll:


good gawd im callin the police cuz issa murder out here

rip phoenix

[Phoenix]

good gawd im callin the police cuz issa murder out here

rip phoenix

Hi Manny. Time for this one to tag in?

[And1AllDay]

Hi Manny.


rip issa murder

im not Manny

[bullettooth]

rip issa murder

im not Manny

Hi Wheels.

[Phoenix]

rip issa murder

im not Manny

Ok Manny.

[Phoenix]

Hi Wheels.

Let's guess which one is next. Who you got? I'm thinking Lamebruh. Corp will probably clock in tomorrow.

[And1AllDay]

Let's guess which one is next. Who you got? I'm thinking Lamebruh. Corp will probably clock in tomorrow.

**** you im not Manny I am myself

[Phoenix]

**** you im not Manny I am myself

Meltdown.

[Manny98]

**** you im not Manny I am myself
He literally accuses every single poster that doesn't suck MJs c*ck of being me it's hilarious :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

He literally accuses every single poster that doesn't suck MJs c*ck of being me it's hilarious :oldlol:

Triggered.

[Manny98]

Triggered.
No I find it quite funny how much i have mindfu*cked your tiny brain :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

No I find it quite funny how much i have mindfu*cked your tiny brain :oldlol:

Yep. Triggered.

[Manny98]

Yep. Triggered.
Your attempt at trying to troll is pathetic :oldlol:

1/10 for effort :cheers:

[Phoenix]

Rank the following Boston opponents in 2008:

37 win Hawks( took Boston to 7)
45 win Cavs ( took Boston to 7)
59 win Pistons ( took Boston to 6 )
57 win Lakers ( took Boston to 6)

Manny?

[Phoenix]

Your attempt at trying to troll is pathetic :oldlol:

1/10 for effort :cheers:

You'd certainly be the most qualified to identify trolling.

So yeah.. triggered.

[RealSkipBayless]

Your attempt at trying to troll is pathetic :oldlol:

1/10 for effort :cheers:
He's only good for a meltdown every once in a while. Retarded kid otherwise.

[Phoenix]

He's only good for a meltdown every once in a while. Retarded kid otherwise.

When was the last time you said anything that wasn't related to my supposed meltdowns? Are you this useless in every day life, or just your ISH shtick?

[And1AllDay]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in seperate finals years :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in seperate finals years :oldlol: :oldlol:
I love how all of a sudden assists don't count as offence. Stocton in 97 was 15/9. That's better offensive production than 5 of LeBron's finals opponents second options. It's better than 2011 Mavs second option Jason Terry (18/3), 2014 spurs second option kawhi leonard (17/2), 2013 spurs second Tony Parker (16/6), 2015 warriors second option Iggy (16/4) and 2016 warriors second option Klay Thompson (20/2).

Stop trolling man

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron James 2011 for sure no contest.

[AirFederer]

LeBron

[DocSlam]

Iverson dragged a bunch of Defensive players to the Finals.

Dikembe Mutombo
Eric Snow
Aaron McKie (I guess he could shoot a little)
etc.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah I have no idea how they won that title.

And it wasn

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=Stringer Bell]And it wasn

[And1AllDay]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in seperate finals years :oldlol: :oldlol:

Guys plz address?

[SpaceJam2]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone else notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in separate Finals wins years :lol

Easy rode to victory = MJ's rings.

[egokiller]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)


So MJ was able to win while keeping their 2nd best scorer to only 10.7 ppg? Amazing! Talk about commanding both sides of the floor! Do you do anything else other than constantly prop up MJ even though everyone on here already knows he's the GOAT? :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

So MJ was able to win while keeping their 2nd best scorer to only 10.7 ppg? Amazing! Talk about commanding both sides of the floor! Do you do anything else other than constantly prop up MJ even though everyone on here already knows he's the GOAT? :confusedshrug:
Pippen not only outscored the 2nd option in 5/6 finals but was a 1st team defensive 8

[Duncan21formvp]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone else notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in separate Finals wins years :lol

Easy rode to victory = MJ's rings.


MJ was able to shut down Hornecek soo bad even though Jazz beat Rockets with Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Van Exel/Jones.:wtf:

While Lebron with 2 other stars was getting smoked by Duncan in the playoffs and then Lebron was getting dealt with by Dwight Howard a career loser. :wtf:

[SpaceJam2]

MJ was able to shut down Hornecek soo bad even though Jazz beat Rockets with Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Van Exel/Jones.:wtf:

While Lebron with 2 other stars was getting smoked by Duncan in the playoffs and then Lebron was getting dealt with by Dwight Howard a career loser. :wtf:

Wow another 3ball alt...How many do you have psychopath?

3ball alt army

3ball
90s goat
bronbron23
duncan21formvp
clipper revival
shaquille o neal
overdrive


why bro? Get a grip

[Duncan21formvp]

MJ was able to shut down Hornecek soo bad even though Jazz beat Rockets with Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe/Van Exel/Jones.:wtf:

While Lebron with 2 other stars was getting smoked by Duncan in the playoffs and then Lebron was getting dealt with by Dwight Howard a career loser all while having HCA. :wtf:

[SpaceJam2]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone else notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in separate Finals wins years :lol

Easy rode to victory = MJ's rings.

Anyone know?

[Rico2016]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone else notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in separate Finals wins years :lol

Easy rode to victory = MJ's rings.

Help build the list guys so far we have 2 people that were weak MJ opponents and 2 that were LBJ teammates...

[Axe]

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)


Does anyone else notice Mikes opponents are both on this list in separate Finals wins years :lol

Easy rode to victory = MJ's rings.
Of course, mj will never be goat. Since he never lost in the finals, right?

Fool.

[nayte]

As much as it hurts as an Aussie whoever said delladova is probably right

[FromDowntown]

As much as it hurts as an Aussie whoever said delladova is probably right

2015 was Mozgov as #2 option (14 ppg) 6th worst ALL TIME. Delly was a 4th option in the sense of scoring with like 8 ppg

[nayte]

Thanks I don’t like the idea as an Aussie being the worst. I have to deal with Simmons being the worst shooter apparently I can’t do much more

[FromDowntown]

More submissions or is this locked in stone

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

[Soundwave]

Terry Porter(91-92 Blazers) 16 ppg.


Yes, Terry Porter was the #2 option on a 90s Final team



https://i.postimg.cc/8z3N21z5/portete01.jpg
No this is not a High school track coach...

Too bad basketball isn't a 2-on-2 sport, that's where this whole line of logic falls apart. The '92 Blazers had deeper scoring than the '92 Bulls with 4 double digit scorers after Drexler.

Porter - 16.2 ppg
Kersey - 14.8 ppg
Robinson - 10.3 ppg
Ainge - 10 ppg

Versus the Bulls so-called "superior" secondary scoring of

Pippen - 20.8 ppg
Paxson - 10.3 ppg
Grant - 9.2 ppg
Cartwright - 6.3 ppg

The Blazers options 2-5 out score the Bulls comparables. The difference in the series is Jordan averaged 36 ppg to Drexler's 25 ppg.

[FromDowntown]

Too bad basketball isn't a 2-on-2 sport, that's where this whole line of logic falls apart. The '92 Blazers had deeper scoring than the '92 Bulls with 4 double digit scorers after Drexler.

Porter - 16.2 ppg
Kersey - 14.8 ppg
Robinson - 10.3 ppg
Ainge - 10 ppg

Versus the Bulls so-called "superior" secondary scoring of

Pippen - 20.8 ppg
Paxson - 10.3 ppg
Grant - 9.2 ppg
Cartwright - 6.3 ppg

The Blazers options 2-5 out score the Bulls comparables. The difference in the series is Jordan averaged 36 ppg to Drexler's 25 ppg.

Porter was bad, but didn't make it to top 10 worst status:

More submissions or is this locked in stone

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

[Gougou]

2007 Lebron James 2nd option is terrible, probably Mo Williams right...

At least the 2015 2nd option can put a decent D on Curry...

[DoctorP]

So Hakeem wins

[DoctorP]

2007 Lebron James 2nd option is terrible, probably Mo Williams right...

At least the 2015 2nd option can put a decent D on Curry...

it says gooden

[And1AllDay]

Porter was bad, but didn't make it to top 10 worst status:

More submissions or is this locked in stone

Top 10 lowest ppg #2 Finals scorers

[ 1.] '98 Hornacek (10.7 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 2.] '89 Kareem (12.5 ppg)
[ 3.] '07 Gooden (12.8 ppg)
[ 4.] '94 Maxwell (13.4 ppg)
[ 5.] '06 Walker (13.8 ppg)
[ 6.] '15 Mozgov (14.0 ppg)
[ 7.] '03 Parker (14.0 ppq)
[ 8.] '08 Gasol (14.7 ppg)
[ 9.] '97 Stockton (15.0 ppg) (MJ opponent)
[ 10.] '14 Wade (15.2 ppg)

so bran and kobe had the worst finals help and mike played against the weakest :oldlol:

cant make this shit up