Andre Iguodala on Stephen Curry: 'I think he's the second best ever'

[winwin]

“I think he’s the second best ever. I always thought that about him. I knew but other people didn’t know. So I wasn’t surprised when he took over that series. But I always gave Tony Allen credit. Playing against him made you understand the grind of how hard it is to win. It’s supposed to be hard. You’re supposed to have to find another way. It’s supposed to be uncomfortable. He just embraced that. Just ingrained that into his system and it’s been there ever since.”

greatness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axmul-Xlkc



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[aj1987]

[QUOTE=winwin]

[raprap]

Curry is great but nah :lol

He

[Kblaze8855]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...


Hakeem
Wilt
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Bill Russell
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.

[E_Stamkos]

You always have to take these teammate endearments with a grain of salt, particularly while they're both still actively playing.

It's sheer bias to the max. It's incontrovertible bias.

[winwin]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...


Hakeem
Wilt
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Bill Russell
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.
Basketball is a team sport.
your criteria differs than other people

[NBAGOAT]

did it very quickly so prepare to scoff.

Moses Malone
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant(not sure right now all time)

He can pass the pf group of malone, dirk, charles kg with longevity imo. We'll see about west/oscar/dr.j

[Kblaze8855]

Basketball is a team sport.


Something about those names suggest I didn

[Knicksfever2010]

Steph would get BULLIED if he played in any other era.

[winwin]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Something about those names suggest I didn

[aj1987]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...


Hakeem
Wilt
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Bill Russell
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.
How do you have GP, Nash, T-Mac, Walton, etc and not Dwyane ****ing Wade? You're from Chicago, right? How did you forget that name?

[SouBeachTalents]

Of that list, the only players I'm definitely taking over Curry are

Hakeem
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Duncan
LeBron
Russell
Shaq
Kareem

While the players I'm definitely taking Curry over are

Both Malones
Payton
Nash
McGrady

The rest are all debatable/too close to call

[NBAGOAT]

Of that list, the only players I'm definitely taking over Curry are

Hakeem
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Duncan
LeBron
Russell
Shaq

While the players I'm definitely taking Curry over are

Both Malones
Payton
Nash
McGrady

The rest are all debatable/too close to call

you forgot kareem right. Besides that I cant disagree too much

[SouBeachTalents]

you forgot kareem right. Besides that I cant disagree too much
I did, good find bro :cheers:

[Kblaze8855]

How do you have GP, Nash, T-Mac, Walton, etc and not Dwyane ****ing Wade? You're from Chicago, right? How did you forget that name?


It

[Cleverness]

[QUOTE=winwin]

[Kblaze8855]

you don't get it. Curry can be 2nd best ever, and better players than him come behind him on the list.


It being an issue of best player...I feel like you didn

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Going to reserve judgement until I see what he does these finals.

Curry has played "bad" in what, 1 finals? Back in 2016 when he was coming off an injury (a series GSW should have won in 5).

I still don't know how great he is because of Durant. I know that he's the greatest shooter. All-time? Top 15-20. The run he's had so far WITH a nice finals gives me more to work with though.

[winwin]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]It being an issue of best player...I feel like you didn

[winwin]

greatness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axmul-Xlkc

but he is not second best ever.

yet

[Big164]

...
Hakeem
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

The names in blue im not sure of yet. They will turn black if Steph wins and has a good finals.

[1987_Lakers]

I'd probably take Curry's peak over Magic if we are being honest.

[winwin]

:rolleyes:

[Walk on Water]

You guys don

[Draz]

UH.. Durant is definitely in shambles.

Let's not forget Durant was playing amazing both rounds this year. Unstoppable. Every ****ing shot was going on for him. He was LETHAL.

How quick they forget.

I hope he leaves to get the credit he deserves.

[nashwade]

from a reputation perspective, Curry will never be the second best for the simple reason that he is playing on a team with KD who won FMVPs ahead of him.

not even lebron had to add a superior player to the team JUST to win. that's just straight up weak ass move (I appreciate it's not his decision but visually that's what it looked like).

he valued winning rings more than his legacy or long term marketability. it is what it is.

[k0kakw0rld]

Hell no :no:

[Celtics 1825]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...


Hakeem
Wilt
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Bill Russell
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.

David Robinson
Doctor J
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

As of today. If the Warriors win the championship this year AND Curry secures a finals MVP then I'd pick him over Moses which would put him right within striking distance of top 10 territory.

[NBASTATMAN]

In terms of impact on the offensive side of the ball he may just be the best ever..

I dont recall a player that could make teams double and triple him from 25-30 ft out.. That opens the fall floor for so many other players..

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I'd probably take Curry's peak over Magic if we are being honest.
:roll: :roll:

change ur username. Magic was a far better playoff performer than Steph and could impact the game through a much greater and wider array

[1987_Lakers]

:roll: :roll:

change ur username. Magic was a far better playoff performer than Steph and could impact the game through a much greater and wider array

Didn't you tell me Houston was beating Golden State?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Magic, Jerry and Oscar were clearly better PGs

among players

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Shaq
Hakeem
Wilt
Russell
Bran
KG
Robinson
Dr J
Dirk
Wade
KD
Jerry
Oscar
Moses
Barkley

are all clearly better players

[1987_Lakers]

The fact that you have Moses on there just shows you don't know what you are talking about. Moses Malone who was an all-time great rebounder, but was a horrific passer and not much of a defensive force like other all-time great centers. He didn't make his teammates better. Oscar and West couldn't even dribble with their left hand but they are better than Curry? Ok. The fact that people still think those 60's legends would be as good in today's league is hilarious. I respect them for making this league for what it is today, but the league is so far advanced today it's not even funny.

People usually don't realize how great a current superstar is during their peak up until their final seasons or when they are retired, it's a trend you see all the time. Curry's prime is on par with any other point guard in history. We have never seen a PG with his scoring skills and we have never seen a player with his shooting ability.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

The fact that you have Moses on there just shows you don't know what you are talking about. Moses Malone who was an all-time great rebounder, but was a horrific passer and not much of a defensive force like other all-time great centers. He didn't make his teammates better. Oscar and West couldn't even dribble with their left hand but they are better than Curry? Ok. The fact that people still think those 60's legends would be as good in today's league is hilarious. I respect them for making this league for what it is today, but the league is so far advanced today it's not even funny.

People usually don't realize how great a current superstar is during their peak up until their final seasons or when they are retired, it's a trend you see all the time. Curry's prime is on par with any other point guard in history. We have never seen a PG with his scoring skills and we have never seen a player with his shooting ability.

Oscar and Jerry both dribbled with their left hands. Watch some film of them sometime:roll: :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=imnInavihhg

Oscar was a bigger CP3 without injury problems and Jerry was a Steph/Wade hybrid with elite defense.

U could out Steph over Moses i wont fight over that:confusedshrug:

Steph is in a system that cuddles his inability on defense better than any other great

his defensive issues were a constant problem until Draymond emerged. Its easy being a defensive sieve when u have the best help defender of ur generation on ur team who u play almost all of ur minutes with along with Klay, Iggy and KD. In the past Bogut as well and now Looney

Stephs defensive issues would be much more pronounced on teams that werent stacked on defense

[SpaceJam2]

Didn't you tell me Houston was beating Golden State?

:lol :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Oscar and Jerry both dribbled with their left hands. Watch some film of them sometime:roll: :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=imnInavihhg

Oscar was a bigger CP3 without injury problems and Jerry was a Steph/Wade hybrid with elite defense.

U could out Steph over Moses i wont fight over that:confusedshrug:

Steph is in a system that cuddles his inability on defense better than any other great

his defensive issues were a constant problem until Draymond emerged. Its easy being a defensive sieve when u have the best help defender of ur generation on ur team who u play almost all of ur minutes with along with Klay, Iggy and KD. In the past Bogut as well and now Looney

Stephs defensive issues would be much more pronounced on teams that werent stacked on defense

It's no damn secret most if not all guards were dominant right hand dribblers in that era, barley using their left, this includes West and Oscar. Educate yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyz_MuMZ6RY (look at the 22 sec mark where West is looking down while dribbling left):oldlol:

You really gonna call him better than Steph? GTFO.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

It's no damn secret most if not all guards were dominant right hand dribblers in that era, barley using their left, this includes West and Oscar. Educate yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyz_MuMZ6RY (look at the 22 sec mark where West is looking down while dribbling left):oldlol:

You really gonna call him better than Steph? GTFO.

most players now that are right handed dribblers are right hand dominant urselves :roll: why are u pretending like every ballhandler now uses their left hand on every possession?:biggums:

im 22 seconds in and Jerry already made a move to his left with his left hand dribbles against a GOAT defender in Bill Russell:roll:

watch some tape on some of these legends instead of spewing Reddit rhetoric :applause:

Why dont we compare Jerry West and Stephs defense? How would that look?

[1987_Lakers]

Steph is in a system that cuddles his inability on defense better than any other great

his defensive issues were a constant problem until Draymond emerged. Its easy being a defensive sieve when u have the best help defender of ur generation on ur team who u play almost all of ur minutes with along with Klay, Iggy and KD. In the past Bogut as well and now Looney

Stephs defensive issues would be much more pronounced on teams that werent stacked on defense

The funny thing is, Magic was a horrific defender, especially as he entered his peak up until he retired, worse than Steph. Yet, you laughed when I said Curry had a better peak. You had guys like Cooper and Scott always guarding the point guards while the Lakers always hid Magic on the defensive end. At least Curry has the ability to stay in front of his man on the defensive end, Magic had no shot of that.

[JohnMax]

I agree with Iguodala

[1987_Lakers]

most players now that are right handed dribblers are right hand dominant urselves :roll: why are u pretending like every ballhandler now uses their left hand on every possession?:biggums:

im 22 seconds in and Jerry already made a move to his left with his left hand dribbles against a GOAT defender in Bill Russell:roll:

watch some tape on some of these legends instead of spewing Reddit rhetoric :applause:

Why dont we compare Jerry West and Stephs defense? How would that look?

Their ball handling skills were not refined, just look how awkward they look dribbling, Big O was even worse with his left hand, yet you have him over Steph. Just shows how clueless you are. "But he averaged a triple double".
:roll:

The fact that you think guards from the 60's have the same refined ball-handling skills as guards today is actually hilarious.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

The funny thing is, Magic was a horrific defender, especially as he entered his peak up until he retired, worse than Steph. Yet, you laughed when I said Curry had a better peak. You had guys like Cooper and Scott always guarding the point guards while the Lakers always hid Magic on the defensive end. At least Curry has the ability to stay in front of his man on the defensive end, Magic had no shot of that.

Magic was too big to guard actual guards. Yes they blew by him but hes fcking 6'9 220:roll: Magics defense wasnt an issue against the 3s/4s he often got matched up with. And Magic is one of the biggest matchup nightmares b/c of this, Magic is a much better rebounder, has the size/strength for switching not to be as much an issue. Magics defense early in his career was much better than Stephs ever was and he guarded forwards better than Steph can guard guards

LOL @ Steph having the ability to stay in front of his man. We just watched a series in Houston where dudes like Austin Rivers were blowing by him with ease and their gameplan consisted of exposing his defense on switches. Magic was a key part of the Lakers trapping defense in 1982. He was great at forcing turnovers and using his lengths and smarts to trap and contest passes. He was never a great defender but u can never build a defense with Steph being a key part of it. Hes always the liability on that end for his team and Kerr routinely benches him in final possessions b/c of his defense. That never happened with Magic

and ive always put guys like Kobe over Magic b/c of his defensive limitations too. I always said on here Magic gets rated too highly as ppl ignore his defensive issues.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Their ball handling skills were not refined, just look how awkward they look dribbling, Big O was even worse with his left hand, yet you have him over Steph. Just shows how clueless you are. "But he averaged a triple double".
:roll:

The fact that you think guards from the 60's have the same refined ball-handling skills as guards today is actually hilarious.

Strawmen

Guards today have far better ball handling ability

Oscar and Jerry were outliers. Theyd easily translate to this era. I didnt say that means every guard from the 60s would.

nice try

[1987_Lakers]

Strawmen

Guards today have far better ball handling ability

Oscar and Jerry were outliers. Theyd easily translate to this era. I didnt say that means every guard from the 60s would.

nice try

No they were not, their ball-handling abilities would be bottom tier in today's league. Even Wilt Chamberlain's post moves were straight up laughable and I don't blame them, they played when the NBA was a young league. Kareem was the first dominant big man who actually had a smooth offensive game.

[1987_Lakers]

Magic was too big to guard actual guards. Yes they blew by him but hes fcking 6'9 220:roll: Magics defense wasnt an issue against the 3s/4s he often got matched up with. And Magic is one of the biggest matchup nightmares b/c of this, Magic is a much better rebounder, has the size/strength for switching not to be as much an issue. Magics defense early in his career was much better than Stephs ever was and he guarded forwards better than Steph can guard guards

LOL @ Steph having the ability to stay in front of his man. We just watched a series in Houston where dudes like Austin Rivers were blowing by him with ease and their gameplan consisted of exposing his defense on switches. Magic was a key part of the Lakers trapping defense in 1982. He was great at forcing turnovers and using his lengths and smarts to trap and contest passes. He was never a great defender but u can never build a defense with Steph being a key part of it. Hes always the liability on that end for his team and Kerr routinely benches him in final possessions b/c of his defense. That never happened with Magic

and ive always put guys like Kobe over Magic b/c of his defensive limitations too. I always said on here Magic gets rated too highly as ppl ignore his defensive issues.

Make no mistake about it, Magic's defense became a straight up joke as he aged. Doesn't change the fact that he was an all-time great offensive player. I have Magic's peak ranked very highly as an offensive player, similar to Curry. Both play a different style so it's hard to say who is the better player, it's all about preference, but I would take Curry because of his insane shooting, the attention he receives from defenders is something I haven't seen since peak Shaq.

[Kblaze8855]

First let me address this....


No they were not, their ball-handling abilities would be bottom tier in today's league. Even Wilt Chamberlain's post moves were straight up laughable and I don't blame them, they played when the NBA was a young league. Kareem was the first dominant big man who actually had a smooth offensive game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMUTyjCR158

Watch that and tell me Willis reed wasnt polished. He was out in the 60s.

Now....


The fact that people still think those 60's legends would be as good in today's league is hilarious.



Totally irrelevant. Not a little bit. Totally. 100%.

What some guy 50 years ago would do now matters as much as what someone now would do in a league that wouldnt allow them to play as they do. If its 1970 and a 30 footer is the same points as GP posting up for an easy 2....why do I want Steph over Gary Payton exactly? Hed have a worse fitting offensive game while being so far behind on defense it would sound mean trying to articulate it. If a 3 is worth 2....why guard Steph especially close from 25-30 feet like you do now? Hes not spacing the floor then. Hes still a great scorer....but has no reason to play like he does now. Hes an attacker. He has to play more physical ball. And as I said...in a game predicated on getting the ball 18 feet and in....guards posting up....man to man D...why is Steph better than Payton exactly? He isnt. But it doesnt matter...because they dont play in 1970.

And thats ignoring the many other downsides of Steph being in the NBA 50-60 years ago. he struggles with health at times with modern medicine and being pampered with low minutes, rest days, and world class accommodations.


Give him a league with no air conditioning, no team doctors in many cases(the Lakers did have one but not on the road), riding in regular buses and taking coach flights on 60s sized planes, sleeping in the bus on the road in the south when blacks cant have a room, playing in shoes made of poster board, 46 minutes a game, with 25 preseason games before Gatorade existed on floors that were warped, some that leaked from the hockey ice under them, with rims that were not breakaway and would bend over time while refs actually call traveling and palming all the time.

That sound like an ideal situation for a non physical shooter who needs "load management" while being treated like a king?

Steph would be great no matter who he played against...but he wouldnt win in the 60s without a superteam. Sure he would do numbers. All the greats did. But when Wilt loses with 78/43, 68/23, 67/21, 65/23, 62/28(all the same season) and on and on it goes...you think Stephs 55/12 makes his team automatically contend? You think the 40/10 he could give the Celtics makes his team win when Baylors 41/18 series didnt? Yea he could drop 60. Baylor dropped 60. Rick Barrys 41/9 for the series couldnt get close to winning it. Stephs 40 count at 80? Minus the spacing from 3s why would his numbers be more of a difference maker?

Steph cant guard Oscar in the post. They put forwards on Oscar who couldnt. Steph would light him up and get lit up in return. Gus Johnson was 6'6'' 240 and athletic. He couldnt stop Oscar in the post. Whats Steph gonna do about that with all his advanced handles?


Steph would be the most "advanced" player in the league and lose anyway. There was no parity. It doesnt matter if you have Steph...or Wilt...or baylor. What good is your 50 when the final score is 140-130 and the other team has 4 players better than your #2 and 10 players better than your #3? A guy like Walt Bellamy was more advanced than those guys. Big...athletic. Had 12 40 point games one year...lost 11 of them. Great...you got 47/20. But the Celtics had 5 hall of famers starting with 2 off the bench. They played 8 people. 7 in the hall of fame.


Steph in the 60s would be a territorial pick who went to the worst team in the league(Pistons...the Royals were actually further away though they were in the state with Akron). He could score all he wanted. We would be on here now talking about his stat padding in losses. If he got lucky and maybe went to the Hawks(lets call Charlotte his hometown...thats closest ) hed be on a better team.....ruled by racists who wouldnt let him play. He might well be Cleo Hill. A spectacular guard who ate up the stars(Including Bob Petitt) in practice and had the coach ready to build the team around him. THe 3 star white guys in a still segregated town went straight to the owner to force the coach to bench him. Coach refused...this was maybe his best player or second after Bob. What does the owner do?

Fire the coach and make Petitt player/coach who benched Hill and told him to come in and give it to the white guys. Turns out Cleos career high game? The first game of his career. The team was demanding he get less touches after that ONE good game. He never did anything after his coach was fired a couple weeks into the season. Retired having played one season being treated like shit.

Thats where a 60s Curry goes with the territorial draft rules.

Todays players are way too pampered to even begin to compare them to what guys like Oscar had to put up with.

But it doesnt matter what Steph might do with worse nutrition, travel, workload, teammates, courts, doctors, shoes, social situations, and rules for his game.

It matters what he does now. It matters what they did then.

The rest is fantasy.

It being stupid to take a 30 footer for 2 when the lane is thinner and your center can post up 6 feet from the basket the entire possession doesnt have anything to do with how good Steph is now. Now is now. Then is then.

We would barely recognize his game played under 60s restrictions/rules/social settings. The first time he took a stepback jumper and shimmied after it dropped even though his big had post position his own owner might storm the court and call him a showboating coonskin.

[plowking]

from a reputation perspective, Curry will never be the second best for the simple reason that he is playing on a team with KD who won FMVPs ahead of him.

not even lebron had to add a superior player to the team JUST to win. that's just straight up weak ass move (I appreciate it's not his decision but visually that's what it looked like).

he valued winning rings more than his legacy or long term marketability. it is what it is.

One of the few cases where the guy who won the FMVP's was the worse player.

[GOBB]

Iggy is a retard. Curry has no case for 2nd all time. Not even up for debate.


And someone is talking about if curry wins finals
Mvp he vaults higher. Yet he lost a finals mvp to a damn role player. So you

[Phoenix]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...


Hakeem
Wilt
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Bill Russell
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.

Red are players I'd take over Curry without a seconds thought

Blue are players I'd think about for a bit but take them over Curry

Green are players I'd take Curry over without a seconds thought

Orange are players I'd think about for a minute but take Curry


Note: ask me this question next week and a few of those may change. I'm wavering a bit when you get to the Moses/Oscar/Dr.J tier, and in fairness Wilt, Russell, Oscar, Alcindor/early 80's Kareem, peak Moses, 70's/mid 80's Dr. J and Walton were before my time so I'm having to apply whatever footage is available and historical context into my reasoning for those players.

[sportjames23]

I'd probably take Curry's peak over Magic if we are being honest.

Then you need to change your name. You don't deserve to have that tag (especially since you've said some other dumb shit like that before).

[sportjames23]

:roll: :roll:

change ur username. Magic was a far better playoff performer than Steph and could impact the game through a much greater and wider array

Beat me to it.

Don't get me wrong, Steph is great and I actually like him, as opposed to most players today, but for anyone to say they'd take him over Magic...GTFO.

[tontoz]

The big flaw in a thread like this is that Steph is 30. His career is far from over and we are comparing him to guys who have completed their careers.

When Hakeem was 30 he had 0 rings and was seen as a black hole (but great defender) that was difficult to play with. He had 5 straight seasons where he didn't get past the first round.

[Phoenix]

The big flaw in a thread like this is that Steph is 30. His career is far from over and we are comparing him to guys who have completed their careers.

When Hakeem was 30 he had 0 rings and was seen as a black hole (but great defender) that was difficult to play with. He had 5 straight seasons where he didn't get past the first round.

This is true.I'm looking at it moreso from a stand point of 'how good is this guy at the game of basketball'' in a bubble. Legacy-wise, you are right, he's still building his resume but with 2 MVPs and 3( possibly 4) rings and counting, his legacy is first ballot HOFer right now if he never played another game after this year. Frankly, by 30 alot of guys who we may consider top tier GOATs weren't this accomplished on paper, like Hakeem as you mentioned.

[Norcaliblunt]

he valued winning rings more than his legacy or long term marketability. it is what it is.


Lmfao!!!!!!! :roll:

Isn

[Bankaii]

One of the few cases where the guy who won the FMVP's was the worse player.
Nah KD is the better overall basketball player.
It's just that GS is the one team where Steph is 10x more valuable than KD ever will be.
For the other 29 teams I can't think of one where I'd take Steph over KD.

[warriorfan]

Nah KD is the better overall basketball player.
It's just that GS is the one team where Steph is 10x more valuable than KD ever will be.
For the other 29 teams I can't think of one where I'd take Steph over KD.

You are also a low iq sixers fan

[1987_Lakers]

Then you need to change your name. You don't deserve to have that tag (especially since you've said some other dumb shit like that before).

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[Stephonit]

I'd like to know the reasons why Magic Johnson is better. I don't know what they are.

[1987_Lakers]

Beat me to it.

Don't get me wrong, Steph is great and I actually like him, as opposed to most players today, but for anyone to say they'd take him over Magic...GTFO.

Do you realize how arrogant that statement is? Curry's PER from 2015-2019 is actually higher than Magic's PER from 1987-1990. We all know Curry's scoring abilities and scoring efficiency was much better better than Magic, while Magic was obvious the better facilitator. The problem is, people here have players like Magic on a pedestal after years of hearing how he is one of the all-time greats, while ignoring there are witnessing an all-time great with their very eyes, right in front of them.

[AirFederer]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...


Hakeem
Wilt
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Bill Russell
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.
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Done.

There is not one on that list I

[Phoenix]

Do you realize how arrogant that statement is? Curry's PER from 2015-2019 is actually higher than Magic's PER from 1987-1990. We all know Curry's scoring abilities and scoring efficiency was much better better than Magic, while Magic was obvious the better facilitator. The problem is, people here have players like Magic on a pedestal after years of hearing how he is one of the all-time greats, while ignoring there are witnessing an all-time great with their very eyes, right in front of them.

I think Steph's off-ball gravity in terms of how he opens up the floor for others redefines the term 'facilitating', as that has often been used with respects to passing. One could argue that Steph makes scoring for others just as easy as Magic did, albeit in a different way, not through pure passing ability but simply by how much the mere threat of his range shooting opens up the court.

[AirFederer]

First let me address this....




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMUTyjCR158

Watch that and tell me Willis reed wasnt polished. He was out in the 60s.

Now....





Totally irrelevant. Not a little bit. Totally. 100%.

What some guy 50 years ago would do now matters as much as what someone now would do in a league that wouldnt allow them to play as they do. If its 1970 and a 30 footer is the same points as GP posting up for an easy 2....why do I want Steph over Gary Payton exactly? Hed have a worse fitting offensive game while being so far behind on defense it would sound mean trying to articulate it. If a 3 is worth 2....why guard Steph especially close from 25-30 feet like you do now? Hes not spacing the floor then. Hes still a great scorer....but has no reason to play like he does now. Hes an attacker. He has to play more physical ball. And as I said...in a game predicated on getting the ball 18 feet and in....guards posting up....man to man D...why is Steph better than Payton exactly? He isnt. But it doesnt matter...because they dont play in 1970.

And thats ignoring the many other downsides of Steph being in the NBA 50-60 years ago. he struggles with health at times with modern medicine and being pampered with low minutes, rest days, and world class accommodations.


Give him a league with no air conditioning, no team doctors in many cases(the Lakers did have one but not on the road), riding in regular buses and taking coach flights on 60s sized planes, sleeping in the bus on the road in the south when blacks cant have a room, playing in shoes made of poster board, 46 minutes a game, with 25 preseason games before Gatorade existed on floors that were warped, some that leaked from the hockey ice under them, with rims that were not breakaway and would bend over time while refs actually call traveling and palming all the time.

That sound like an ideal situation for a non physical shooter who needs "load management" while being treated like a king?

Steph would be great no matter who he played against...but he wouldnt win in the 60s without a superteam. Sure he would do numbers. All the greats did. But when Wilt loses with 78/43, 68/23, 67/21, 65/23, 62/28(all the same season) and on and on it goes...you think Stephs 55/12 makes his team automatically contend? You think the 40/10 he could give the Celtics makes his team win when Baylors 41/18 series didnt? Yea he could drop 60. Baylor dropped 60. Rick Barrys 41/9 for the series couldnt get close to winning it. Stephs 40 count at 80? Minus the spacing from 3s why would his numbers be more of a difference maker?

Steph cant guard Oscar in the post. They put forwards on Oscar who couldnt. Steph would light him up and get lit up in return. Gus Johnson was 6'6'' 240 and athletic. He couldnt stop Oscar in the post. Whats Steph gonna do about that with all his advanced handles?


Steph would be the most "advanced" player in the league and lose anyway. There was no parity. It doesnt matter if you have Steph...or Wilt...or baylor. What good is your 50 when the final score is 140-130 and the other team has 4 players better than your #2 and 10 players better than your #3? A guy like Walt Bellamy was more advanced than those guys. Big...athletic. Had 12 40 point games one year...lost 11 of them. Great...you got 47/20. But the Celtics had 5 hall of famers starting with 2 off the bench. They played 8 people. 7 in the hall of fame.


Steph in the 60s would be a territorial pick who went to the worst team in the league(Pistons...the Royals were actually further away though they were in the state with Akron). He could score all he wanted. We would be on here now talking about his stat padding in losses. If he got lucky and maybe went to the Hawks(lets call Charlotte his hometown...thats closest ) hed be on a better team.....ruled by racists who wouldnt let him play. He might well be Cleo Hill. A spectacular guard who ate up the stars(Including Bob Petitt) in practice and had the coach ready to build the team around him. THe 3 star white guys in a still segregated town went straight to the owner to force the coach to bench him. Coach refused...this was maybe his best player or second after Bob. What does the owner do?

Fire the coach and make Petitt player/coach who benched Hill and told him to come in and give it to the white guys. Turns out Cleos career high game? The first game of his career. The team was demanding he get less touches after that ONE good game. He never did anything after his coach was fired a couple weeks into the season. Retired having played one season being treated like shit.

Thats where a 60s Curry goes with the territorial draft rules.

Todays players are way too pampered to even begin to compare them to what guys like Oscar had to put up with.

But it doesnt matter what Steph might do with worse nutrition, travel, workload, teammates, courts, doctors, shoes, social situations, and rules for his game.

It matters what he does now. It matters what they did then.

The rest is fantasy.

It being stupid to take a 30 footer for 2 when the lane is thinner and your center can post up 6 feet from the basket the entire possession doesnt have anything to do with how good Steph is now. Now is now. Then is then.

We would barely recognize his game played under 60s restrictions/rules/social settings. The first time he took a stepback jumper and shimmied after it dropped even though his big had post position his own owner might storm the court and call him a showboating coonskin.

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[hold this L]

[QUOTE=AirFederer].
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Done.

There is not one on that list I

[AirFederer]

Magic, is this you?
Yes

[1987_Lakers]

If you are comparing Magic and Curry at their peaks, there is absolutely zero argument in saying Magic was "clearly" the better player. None.

[TheCorporation]

Second best, as in runner-up? Yeah he's been the runner-up 5 years in a row what's new... there's a reason why he has zero Finals MVP, he's always the second best ever :lol :lol

[AirFederer]

Second best, as in runner-up? Yeah he's been the runner-up 5 years in a row what's new... there's a reason why he has zero Finals MVP, he's always the second best ever :lol :lol
Mr 0.33 aka mr 3/9 aka Lebron :eek: :cry: :mad:

[TheCorporation]

Mr 0.33 aka mr 3/9 aka Lebron :eek: :cry: :mad:

Curry will always be " 2nd best" :lol

[hold this L]

Yes
Makes a lot more sense now :lol

[ronniec]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...


Hakeem
Wilt
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Magic
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
Moses Malone
Doctor J
Bill Russell
Shaq
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Jerry West
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Dirk
KG
Gary Payton
Nash
Bill Walton
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.

Be honest, how can we compare players of different positions?
Compare a point guard to a center????
Come on

[Bankaii]

You are also a low iq sixers fan
Name the teams other than the Warriors that would be better with Curry over Durant.

[DMAVS41]

I came here just now to make this topic just so I could post this list of people and have posters bold/keep the names they feel Steph is in fact better than. I suspect someone is gonna give me something to laugh at and thats about all I ask. So....

Copy/paste this list and remove the names Steph is NOT better than. I want a list from you...reading this right now...that is only people Steph is better than. Clear? Ok...



David Robinson
Doctor J
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Gary Payton
Nash
Tmac
Kevin Durant

Just 25(ish) names that came to mind. Copy/paste it...remove the people better than Steph. Not gonna **** with you about it. I just want something to glance over and scoff at later.

There were a few I removed that could go either way imo.

[Stephonit]

Kblaze, let me ask some questions of you.

Would you take KD over Steph on the Warriors?

Keep that answer in mind then answer the question

From your list who would you take over KD?

[red1]

iguodala is an insane foaming-at-the-mouth liar.



what a raging lunatic. even curry's own mother doesn't think he's top 50.

[Atlantis]

lol he's shitting on KD, saying what draymond said "we don't need you" in a nicer more passive aggressive way.

KD knows what he means, and he's pouting
if steph's the 2nd best ever, steph > KD

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

iguodala is an insane foaming-at-the-mouth liar.



what a raging lunatic. even curry's own mother doesn't think he's top 50.

:coleman: Watch your mouth boy

[bizil]

I have Steph as the 3rd GOAT PG now. He's passed Zeke by at this point. Even though Zeke had more longevity being great, Steph ALREADY has just as many All NBA teams under his belt. ON top of 3 rings, 2 MVPs, and being the greatest shooter of all time. Peak wise, I would give Steph the edge as well.

IF Steph wins a 4th ring, I would move him past the Big O at this point. Which is some HEAVY DUTY SHIT! Because Big O was the GOAT PG for a long ass time. Then has been the 2nd GOAT PG for a long ass time. But Steph's accolades and peak value SUPERCEDE most PG's who had more longevity being great! Thus the reason he can move past Big O. Even though peak wise, I still think Magic and Big O are the top two PG's ever.

But the question is can Steph move past Magic for the #1 slot? That's a tall order because Magic is a top 4-5 GOAT overall. But for Steph to move up the GOAT charts as fast as he has is VERY IMPRESSIVE! Only the greatest of the greats move up the charts that fast!

[And1AllDay]

I have Steph as the 3rd GOAT PG now. He's passed Zeke by at this point. Even though Zeke had more longevity being great, Steph ALREADY has just as many All NBA teams under his belt. ON top of 3 rings, 2 MVPs, and being the greatest shooter of all time. Peak wise, I would give Steph the edge as well.

IF Steph wins a 4th ring, I would move him past the Big O at this point. Which is some HEAVY DUTY SHIT! Because Big O was the GOAT PG for a long ass time. Then has been the 2nd GOAT PG for a long ass time. But Steph's accolades and peak value SUPERCEDE most PG's who had more longevity being great! Thus the reason he can move past Big O. Even though peak wise, I still think Magic and Big O are the top two PG's ever.

But the question is can Steph move past Magic for the #1 slot? That's a tall order because Magic is a top 4-5 GOAT overall. But for Steph to move up the GOAT charts as fast as he has is VERY IMPRESSIVE! Only the greatest of the greats move up the charts that fast!


And all the lil guy needed was two FMVP (KD, Iggy) a DPOY draymond and 2nd best shooter in the league history (Klay)

How did he do it :sleeping

[Stephonit]

And all the lil guy needed was two FMVP (KD, Iggy) a DPOY draymond and 2nd best shooter in the league history (Klay)

How did he do it :sleeping

The pertinent question here is "How did they do it?" None of them accomplished any of those without Steph.

[red1]

:coleman: Watch your mouth boy
:facepalm

lemme guess andre iguodala ISN'T a pathological liar? :oldlol:



that was a foaming at the mouth "put him down already" type of take from iggy. and there's no debating that, whatsoever.

[bizil]

And all the lil guy needed was two FMVP (KD, Iggy) a DPOY draymond and 2nd best shooter in the league history (Klay)

How did he do it :sleeping

But look at who Magic had to play with. Look at who Bill Russell had to play with. Look at who Bird got to play with. Those teams were SUPERTEAM caliber as well! So if u are gonna knock Steph u gotta knock those icons as well!

[Stephonit]

But look at who Magic had to play with. Look at who Bill Russell had to play with. Look at who Bird got to play with. Those teams were SUPERTEAM caliber as well! So if u are gonna knock Steph u gotta knock those icons as well!

Steph won a championship without KD. Magic never won a ring without Kareem. The Warriors to reach 5 finals won 15 playoffs series. Russell's Celtics to reach 10 straight finals only had to win 11 playoffs series.

[And1AllDay]

But look at who Magic had to play with. Look at who Bill Russell had to play with. Look at who Bird got to play with. Those teams were SUPERTEAM caliber as well! So if u are gonna knock Steph u gotta knock those icons as well!

Thats fair to say but damn who ever had more help then Curry

Bron got slack for playing with out of prime Wade and Bosh thats just yikes

Bron never had a former MVP player or two FMVP on his team or a prime DPOY or prime GOAT shooter.

[And1AllDay]

Steph won a championship without KD. Magic never won a ring without Kareem. The Warriors to reach 5 finals won 15 playoffs series. Russell's Celtics to reach 10 straight finals only had to win 11 playoffs series.

Playoff series win numbers matter :applause:

Bron = 35
Goatbe = 33
Mike = 30

[bizil]

Steph won a championship without KD. Magic never won a ring without Kareem. The Warriors to reach 5 finals won 15 playoffs series. Russell's Celtics to reach 10 straight finals only had to win 11 playoffs series.

Magic won MULTIPLE rings without a prime Kareem!!! Get your facts straight! When Magic first got to the Lakers, Kareem was in his prime. In the late 80's, Kareem was PAST HIS PRIME!!!

And I HAD Steph's back in my prior post! My point was several of the greats PLAYED on superteam type rosters! So if people knock Steph, u GOTTA knock several legends then! Because they played on superteam type rosters! That was my BASIC POINT!!!

[bizil]

Thats fair to say but damn who ever had more help then Curry

Bron got slack for playing with out of prime Wade and Bosh thats just yikes

Bron never had a former MVP player or two FMVP on his team or a prime DPOY or prime GOAT shooter.


Bron shouldn't have caught any slack either! KD is the only legend (in terms of being on a superteam) I give some slack to because of his competitive nature. I figured he would want to beat GSW instead of joining them. He was on a team in OKC that was close. BUT if he wanted to leave that's fine. BUT don't join the team that u lost a 3-1 edge to. GSW vs. OKC was poised to be the West rivalry going forward. It was highly anticipated!

[nashwade]

"If you are nothing without your 3 point shooting, then you don't deserve to be in the GOAT discussion"

[superduper]

"If you are nothing without your 3 point shooting, then you don't deserve to be in the GOAT discussion"

This is dumb. Why not eliminate mid-range or the paint?

[tontoz]

For the record Klay was the 11th pick, Draymond the 35th pick. I think some of their success can be attributed to playing with Steph.

On another team Draymond probably wont be in playmaking positions as often. Would Green be as valuable playing with Harden/CP3/Lebron? He certainly doesn't have the same impact with KD on the floor.

Klay certainly benefits from the defenses constantly doubling Curry. He also benefits from Curry's playmaking ability.