How many seasons did LeBron have a 2nd option better than current Klay?

[Dray n Klay]

Remember, Klay is the 4th option on the Warriors.


How many seasons in LeBrons career did he have a 2nd option as good as the Warriors 4th option?

[RealSkipBayless]

Dray n Klay on fire today. :banana:

:applause:

[3ball]

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Regular Season

J HORNACEK:f. 17.7 PER.. 58.2 ts.. 0.154 WS/48.. 3.0 BPM.. 117 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 16.4 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.110 WS/48.. 0.2 BPM.. 109 ortg.. 108 drtg


Playoffs

J HORNACEK:f. 16.5 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.145 WS/48.. 3.9 BPM.. 116 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 13.9 PER.. 55.7 ts.. 0.094 WS/48.. 0.9 BPM.. 107 ortg.. 109 drtg


:facepalm ... Klay sucks

Hornacek averaged 20 ppg and 7 apg at his peak, and averaged 5.8 apg for an 8 year period (88-94').. so he was multidimensional,cwhile Klay is just a robotic 3-point shooter that is lucky to have the best teammates and system for his skills

[3ball]

Klay averages 4-5 points below his regular season average in every Finals

It's a dirty little secret that Klay is a shit Finals player

He isn't better than Hornacek (see stats in previous post), let alone Wade, Kyrie, Love, or Bosh - these guys' stats blow Klay away - not remotely close

[Velocirap31]

Kyrie is the only one that comes close, but Lebron would do major damage with a shooter like Klay.

[FKAri]

Klay averages 4-5 points below his regular season average in every Finals

It's a dirty little secret that Klay is a shit Finals player

He isn't better than Hornacek (see stats in previous post), let alone Wade, Kyrie, Love, or Bosh - these guys' stats blow Klay away - not remotely close
Hornacek played in the shit 90s. Ofcourse he's better than Hornacek.

[3ball]

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These are among the best guys Lebron ever faced



1) SHAQ



Top Lebron moments:



2004-2006 were the only years of Lebron's career where Shaq had some prime left - during those years, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.




Top Jordan moments:



Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/LfHlds.gif).




2. KOBE:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.

- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.




Top Jordan moments:



- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-13-2015/Q3fm0o.gif)

- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.

- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs&t=0m16s)).




3. DUNCAN



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him




Top Jordan moments:



- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here (http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif))... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here (https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPq7nUqs2V8LyNO/giphy.gif)..

Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan's Spurs in WCF 2nd Round (Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs won 56 games in RS).




4. GARNETT:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron got his shit pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF




Top Jordan moments:



- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-30-2015/q8-1iR.gif)) and during the regular season (shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/6agjm-.gif), here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/EfFINb.gif) and here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/Jp9ACT.gif)).

- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0).




5. SHAWN MARION:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals.




Top Jordan moments:



- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg&t=0m09s)), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg)).




6. 2003-2004 seasons



JORDAN 2003: 19.3 PER.. 20.0 ppg.. 44.5 fg
LEBRON 2004: 18.3 PER.. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7 fg

[3ball]

Hornacek played in the shit 90s. Ofcourse he's better than Hornacek.


Except MJ and Lebron played against a lot of the same players and MJ played better against the best guys lebron faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett)

See the previous post above for documented details... :rolleyes:

[paksat]

:mad: :mad: jordan jordan jordan jordan jordan :mad: :mad:

[stalkerforlife]

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Regular Season

J HORNACEK:f. 17.7 PER.. 58.2 ts.. 0.154 WS/48.. 3.0 BPM.. 117 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 16.4 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.110 WS/48.. 0.2 BPM.. 109 ortg.. 108 drtg


Playoffs

J HORNACEK:f. 16.5 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.145 WS/48.. 3.9 BPM.. 116 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 13.9 PER.. 55.7 ts.. 0.094 WS/48.. 0.9 BPM.. 107 ortg.. 109 drtg


:facepalm ... Klay sucks

Hornacek averaged 20 ppg and 7 apg at his peak, and averaged 5.8 apg for an 8 year period (88-94').. so he was multidimensional,cwhile Klay is just a robotic 3-point shooter that is lucky to have the best teammates and system for his skills

Damn.

[SpaceJam2]

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Regular Season

J HORNACEK:f. 17.7 PER.. 58.2 ts.. 0.154 WS/48.. 3.0 BPM.. 117 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 16.4 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.110 WS/48.. 0.2 BPM.. 109 ortg.. 108 drtg


Playoffs

J HORNACEK:f. 16.5 PER.. 57.5 ts.. 0.145 WS/48.. 3.9 BPM.. 116 ortg.. 108 drtg
K THOMPSON:. 13.9 PER.. 55.7 ts.. 0.094 WS/48.. 0.9 BPM.. 107 ortg.. 109 drtg


:facepalm ... Klay sucks

Hornacek averaged 20 ppg and 7 apg at his peak, and averaged 5.8 apg for an 8 year period (88-94').. so he was multidimensional,cwhile Klay is just a robotic 3-point shooter that is lucky to have the best teammates and system for his skills

Worst performers in NBA HISTORY among second options in the Finals

#1. HORNACEK, 1998, 10.7 ppg

[SpaceJam2]

:mad: :mad: jordan jordan jordan jordan jordan :mad: :mad:


How many seasons did LeBron have a 2nd option better than current Klay?

Can you read

[3ball]

Worst performers in NBA HISTORY among second options in the Finals

#1. HORNACEK, 1998, 10.7 ppg
No one is going for that crap - everyone knows Stockton was the 2nd option and HOF top 20 player

And everyone knows that Stockton and Hornacek destroyed 3 super-athletic, all-star guards in the 1998 WCF (Kobe, Eddie Jones, Van Exel...... plus Shaq)

[NBASTATMAN]

Except MJ and Lebron played against a lot of the same players and MJ played better against the best guys lebron faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett)

See the previous post above for documented details... :rolleyes:

lebron vs kobe 16-6 :roll:
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[And1AllDay]

Worst performers in NBA HISTORY among second options in the Finals

#1. HORNACEK, 1998, 10.7 ppg

Devastation

close. it. upppppp.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Current Playoff Klay 19 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg

Easily Better ...

2011 Wade: 25 ppg 7 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
2012 Wade: 23 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
2016 Kyrie: 25 ppg 3 rpg 5 apg

Arguable ...
2013 Wade: 16 ppg 5 rpg 5 apg 2 spg 1 bpg

[aj1987]

Current Playoff Klay 19 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg

Better

2011 Wade: 25 ppg 7 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
2012 Wade: 23 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
2016 Kyrie: 25 ppg 3 rpg 5 apg

Arguable
2013 Wade: 16 ppg 5 rpg 5 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
I'm a massive Wade fan, but '13 Wade has no argument over current Klay. None.

[34-24 Footwork]

Kyrie is the only one that comes close, but Lebron would do major damage with a shooter like Klay.

As opposed to a who? The 4th all time in NBA 3pointers, in Korver?

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm a massive Wade fan, but '13 Wade has no argument over current Klay. None.
The numbers says there isn

[Dray n Klay]

Current Playoff Klay 19 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg

Easily Better ...

2011 Wade: 25 ppg 7 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
2012 Wade: 23 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg 2 spg 1 bpg
2016 Kyrie: 25 ppg 3 rpg 5 apg

Arguable ...
2013 Wade: 16 ppg 5 rpg 5 apg 2 spg 1 bpg

So 3 seasons in 16 seasons LeBrons 2nd option was as good as Warriors 4th option? :roll: :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

So 3 seasons in 16 seasons LeBrons 2nd option was as good as Warriors 4th option? :roll: :roll:
Yea. Warriors are stacked. We know this ... they’re either the best team or second best team ever in terms of extended period of dominance. Second or arguable greatest dynasty ever. Then it’s like a three way tie with the 80s Birds Celtics / Magic Lakers and 00s Shaq / Kobe Lakers.

[And1AllDay]

So 3 seasons in 16 seasons LeBrons 2nd option was as good as Warriors 4th option? :roll: :roll:

:oldlol: :roll: :roll:

ALL WE DO IS WIN WIN WIN NO MATTER WHUT

[Dray n Klay]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Yea. Warriors are stacked. We know this ... they

[SamuraiSWISH]

And LeBron beat them in 2016 without another all star teammate?
Nah that team didn’t have KD. But in 2016 for context.

Steph / Iggy were hobbled

Bogut injured

League assistance with Draymond suspension

League assistance with Curry in foul trouble game 6

And idk what you were watching. Bron played with two perennial all stars. One of them that put up 27 ppg in the series and hit the championship winning shot. And had a former 6th MOY off the bench for good measure.

:eek:

[aj1987]

The numbers says there isn’t a huge gap. It’s arguable.
The numbers say that there isn't a huge gap between MJ and LeBron. It's arguable. :cheers:



Steph / Iggy were hobbled
Irving, JR, and Shump were hobbled.


Bogut injured
Love injured.


League assistance with Draymond suspension
Did the league also anticipate this and give him a couple of flagrant fouls in the earlier rounds?


League assistance with Curry in foul trouble game 6
You did not watch the 2016 Finals, did you, "coach"?


And idk what you were watching. Bron played with two perennial all stars. One of them that put up 27 ppg in the series and hit the championship winning shot. And had a former 6th MOY off the bench for good measure.

:eek:
The other team not only had 2 perennial All-Stars (one is the 2nd GOAT shooter and the other a DPOY), they also had an All-Star/All-Def/FMVP as the 4th option. Not to mention the COY.

Learn basketball, "coach". :cheers:

[SpaceJam]

The numbers say that there isn't a huge gap between MJ and LeBron. It's arguable. :cheers:


Got him!

[ImKobe]

I'm a massive Wade fan, but '13 Wade has no argument over current Klay. None.

'13 Wade was ****ing great in the Finals. He had that "Flash" Game in Game 4 when they could have potentially lost the series in 5 with the old 2-3-2 format and he had a great Game 7. Wade didn't score as much in the first three rounds but he's a better defensive player than Thompson. He was also the better player in the Regular Season.

[TheMan]

Klay averages 4-5 points below his regular season average in every Finals

It's a dirty little secret that Klay is a shit Finals player

He isn't better than Hornacek (see stats in previous post), let alone Wade, Kyrie, Love, or Bosh - these guys' stats blow Klay away - not remotely close
There you go

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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

'13 Wade was ****ing great in the Finals. He had that "Flash" Game in Game 4 when they could have potentially lost the series in 5 with the old 2-3-2 format and he had a great Game 7. Wade didn't score as much in the first three rounds but he's a better defensive player than Thompson. He was also the better player in the Regular Season.

he was great offensively from the closeout game to the rest of the finals too. Much better onball player, creator (for himself and others) and slasher than Klay can hope to be

also Wades play during the win streak was on a much higher sustained level than Klay has ever had in his career

[aj1987]

'13 Wade was ****ing great in the Finals. He had that "Flash" Game in Game 4 when they could have potentially lost the series in 5 with the old 2-3-2 format and he had a great Game 7. Wade didn't score as much in the first three rounds but he's a better defensive player than Thompson. He was also the better player in the Regular Season.
Are you perpetually on crack? I always defend Wade's Finals, when an idiot LeBron stan tries to say that he was a net negative, but he had like 3 good games out of the 7. He wasn't "****ing great" in the Finals. Wade's defense wasn't that great in the '13 PO's either. His knees got ****ed up and he was mostly average on the defensive end. Not a liability, but wasn't better than current Klay.

Wade's '13 RS shits on anything Klay has done this season though.

[Gileraracer]

Lebron had tons of help and still lost 6 finals. No excuse can change that.

[And1AllDay]

Just imagine it, having your second option worse then your rivals 4th :oldlol:

[superduper]

Just imagine it, having your second option worse then your rivals 4th :oldlol:

Klay- "Thank god I don't have to guard Kyrie Irving anymore"

Kyrie 2016- 27ppg on 47% -2nd option
Klay 2016- 20ppg on 43%- 2nd option

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