How many players will push Kobe out of top 15?

[SpaceJam2]

ESPN has Kobe at 12th
https://i.postimg.cc/63ntjmpd/Bean12be.jpg

Bleacher Report has Kobe at 11th
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time#slide92

Fox Sports has Kobe at 12th
https://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/ranking-the-25-greatest-players-in-nba-history-100716


SLAM has Kobe at 5th
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-of-all-time-lebron-james-no-2/

Ranker has Kobe at 9th
https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time

Clutch Points has Kobe at 10th
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time#slide92

CBS Sports has Kobe at 10th
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cbs-sports-50-greatest-nba-players-of-all-time-where-do-lebron-curry-rank/


If Kawhi wins another FMVP this year does that push Kobe out of top 12?
If Curry wins his 1st FMVP this year does that push Kobe out of top 12?
If Durant wins another FMVP this year does that push Kobe out of top 12?

Is Kobe's top 12 legacy safe with all these players knocking on the door? I hear it's aging like fine wine but is top 15 "fine wine" ?

[TheCorporation]

12th
11th
12th
5th
9th
10th
10th
11th Seat Geek: https://www.sporcle.com/games/Drunk_Duck7/seatgeeks-10-best-nba-players-of-all-time/results
9th Sports Drop: https://thesportsdrop.com/ranking-the-top-25-players-in-nba-history/16/

89 / 9 = 10 avg rank

10be

Well, that's better than 12be I guess :confusedshrug:

[Nowoco]

SLAM has Kobe at 5th
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-of-all-time-lebron-james-no-2/

Christ. Not even Kobe's wife could make a case for him being top 5 :facepalm

[LeCola]

Lespn :lol

[bobopenguin]

putting Bill Russel and oscar before kobe is a joke.
none of u here watched them play.

[coin24]

Who will push OP up the basement ramp??

[LostCause]

I don’t see that happening

When it comes down to it, folks will rearrange their lists. Kobe will still make if on the lists for quite a while. Older or less decorated players will be bumped though

[TheCorporation]

12th
11th
12th
5th
9th
10th
10th
11th Seat Geek: https://www.sporcle.com/games/Drunk_Duck7/seatgeeks-10-best-nba-players-of-all-time/results
9th Sports Drop: https://thesportsdrop.com/ranking-the-top-25-players-in-nba-history/16/

89 / 9 = 10 avg rank

10be

Well, that's better than 12be I guess :confusedshrug:


Bump for the guy that didn't believe me. Kobe is outside of top 10 nearly everywhere

[G0ATbe]

Curry/KD/Kawhi already have him on the ropes. I think Giannis will be the one to push him out in the future

[Vino24]

Curry/KD/Kawhi already have him on the ropes. I think Giannis will be the one to push him out in the future

forgot Harden too

[TheCorporation]

Curry/KD/Kawhi already have him on the ropes. I think Giannis will be the one to push him out in the future

Jesus

Are we saying Kobe's top 20 player run is up?

Wow...So soon

[Gougou]

Do you guys think Kawhi will be in top 20 somehow? 2x DPOY, 2x NBA Champ/MVP. Also one of the best NBA playoff run.

His injury and no seasonal MVP reward probably set him back I think.

[TheCorporation]

Do you guys think Kawhi will be in top 20 somehow? 2x DPOY, 2x NBA Champ/MVP. Also one of the best NBA playoff run.

His injury and no seasonal MVP reward probably set him back I think.

Wow, will Kobe be top 25 soon? :eek: :eek:

[RealSkipBayless]

Wow, will Kobe be top 25 soon? :eek: :eek:
Simon its late... your friends will be here tomorrow.

[Mr Feeny]

Do you guys think Kawhi will be in top 20 somehow? 2x DPOY, 2x NBA Champ/MVP. Also one of the best NBA playoff run.

His injury and no seasonal MVP reward probably set him back I think.I think Kawhi could sneak into the top 10 with another ring as undisputed lead dog. So could Durant. Curry is going to end up around 11th or so as well.

Kobe will drop out of the top 15 pretty soon.

[Rico2016]

Bleacher Report put a new one out where Kobe was ranked 16th I think?

[ImKobe]

Bleacher Report put a new one out where Kobe was ranked 16th I think?

who hurt you?

[Rico2016]

who hurt you?

No no who hurt YOU? ESPN? BR? SLAM? SI?

[Rico2016]

Btw Ranker now has Kobe Rankered at 12th and I am not making that up.

[ImKobe]

No no who hurt YOU? ESPN? BR? SLAM? SI?

Who was it? Who put Kobe over Lebron this time?

[superduper]

Who was it? Who put Kobe over Lebron this time?

Only about 90% of players/coaches/execs who have touched an NBA court.

[Rico2016]

Who was it? Who put Kobe over Lebron this time?

Not any sports media outlet mentioned or known to mankind anway.

[Turbo Slayer]

Not any sports media outlet mentioned or known to mankind anway.
whats up bois?

we gucci.

:applause:

[ImKobe]

Not any sports media outlet mentioned or known to mankind anway.

Lebron is the greatest player of all time. Can we move on now?

[Turbo Slayer]

Lebron is the greatest player of all time. Can we move on now?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

An alt?

ImKobe said LeBron is the GOAT :roll:

Not even kidding.

[ImKobe]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

An alt?

ImKobe said LeBron is the GOAT :roll:

Not even kidding.

I was a Lebron fan when you were still in your dad's balls.

[Turbo Slayer]

I was a Lebron fan when you were still in your dad's balls.
:cheers:

Good joke :oldlol:


:bowdown: :applause: :applause:

We should talk in irl.

[RRR3]

Lebron is the greatest player of all time. Can we move on now?
Saved.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Kobe's 11 now, so the answer to OP is 5. Once 5 surpass him, he'll no longer be in the top 15 so it won't be possible for anyone else to push him out of it.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Double post.

[Keno]

kawhi, curry, durant, harden, doncic, probably missing a few but those ones that came to mind.

[Nashty]

You forgot a 0 on that 15. I think Danny Green will push him out of top 150 this season.

[FromDowntown]

kawhi, curry, durant, harden, doncic, probably missing a few but those ones that came to mind.

Curry without a doubt. 3 rings, 2 mvps and a Umvp is big big time. 5 straight finals and a scoring title and 73 wins. Might be the best 5 year run we've ever seen.

[72-10]

I'm pretty sure Kobe is unlikely to leave the top 10

[FromDowntown]

I'm pretty sure Kobe is unlikely to leave the top 10

He has been comfortably out of the top 10 for a while. The new discussion revolves around whether he stays in the top 15. Where have you been?

[ImKobe]

He has been comfortably out of the top 10 for a while. The new discussion revolves around whether he stays in the top 15. Where have you been?

If you have Larry Bird in the top 10 you can't justify leaving Kobe out of the top 5.

[knicksman]

The top 10 are also the top 10 players you would build around. Theres no way Im building around a guy who needs superteams to win. Id rather take my chances on dirk.

[RRR3]

If you have Larry Bird in the top 10 you can't justify leaving Kobe out of the top 5.
Kobe just wasn’t that good dude.

[knicksman]

Kawhi won in his 1st try. But these stans think kobe wasnt that good. A guy who needs superteams is better. LOL

[Bond007]

the disrespect here is great. that being said perhaps Seth curry?

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kobe just wasn

[72-10]

If you have Larry Bird in the top 10 you can't justify leaving Kobe out of the top 5.

I don't get your rationale. Feel free to explain... and anyone who doesn't have Bird in the top 10 is probably racist.

[ImKobe]

I don't get your rationale. Feel free to explain... and anyone who doesn't have Bird in the top 10 is probably racist.

So Bird was drafted to a stacked Celtics roster and had 60-win teams for an entire decade and came up with 3 rings. How can you justify ranking him above Kobe?

[FromDowntown]

Kawhi won in his 1st try. But these stans think kobe wasnt that good. A guy who needs superteams is better. LOL

Just about nothing you've said was even true though? Kawhi did not win in his "1st try" he lost in 2013. And Kobe needed a superteam with Shaq and Kawhi needed one with Duncan, Parker, Ginobli so not sure where you are going with your post.

[FromDowntown]

So Bird was drafted to a stacked Celtics roster and had 60-win teams for an entire decade and came up with 3 rings. How can you justify ranking him above Kobe?

They both only have 2 Finals MVPs but Bird beat Magic in the finals and Kobe beat Dwight.

[ImKobe]

They both only have 2 Finals MVPs but Bird beat Magic in the finals and Kobe beat Dwight.

Kobe beat Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo in one Finals series alone. Not to mention Kobe having the tougher road to the Finals and him going 3 straight with way less talent on his teams. Also, Kobe went 15 - 1 while putting up 29/7/6 at 22 years old. Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich in Playoff series from 01-08.

[knicksman]

Just about nothing you've said was even true though? Kawhi did not win in his "1st try" he lost in 2013. And Kobe needed a superteam with Shaq and Kawhi needed one with Duncan, Parker, Ginobli so not sure where you are going with your post.

kawhi won right away in toronto. Lebron with his superfriends lost in their first try. Kawhi > 3 superstars. Only a dumbass would build around lebron.

[Lebron6]

kawhi won right away in toronto. Lebron with his superfriends lost in their first try. Kawhi > 3 superstars. Only a dumbass would build around lebron.
Shut yo ass up. Lebron made 8 straight finals. Any coach would want to build around him. :roll: :roll: :roll: LeThicc

[And1AllDay]

Shut yo ass up. Lebron made 8 straight finals. Any coach would want to build around him. :roll: :roll: :roll: LeThicc

LeThicc the truthhhhhhhhhh

Miami bran on that LBJ6 squaaaaad up

[72-10]

So Bird was drafted to a stacked Celtics roster and had 60-win teams for an entire decade and came up with 3 rings. How can you justify ranking him above Kobe?

They always had to play an equally if not moreso stacked Lakers team and/or Philly team.

If it was so stacked why did they have a 17 win turnaround from the previous season or whatever it was? They had Cowens and a hobbling Maravich in his last season. I don't deny there was talent but they weren't more stacked than the Lakers and Sixers then. They had to battle Philly each year just to reach the Finals and they usually made it. Bird always did well against the Lakers, by the way, regular season or post.

Bird improved his teammates more than Kobe did, and was a considerably better all-around player except on the defensive end where Kobe exerted more effort than Bird did. Bird could pass the ball like Magic, he could rebound with the best rebounding power forwards of all time, and he's the 4th best shooter we've seen after Steph, Ray and Reggie, Bird's also probably the smartest player to ever play in the NBA, meanwhile Kobe bricked a lot of shots while running isos that didn't work out well due to his inefficiency and ball-stopping efforts and trying to shoot contested shots out of double and triple teams. Kobe was too much of a ball-stopper. The team didn't work well around him.

[knicksman]

Shut yo ass up. Lebron made 8 straight finals. Any coach would want to build around him. :roll: :roll: :roll: LeThicc

Sorry. But I only care about rings without superteams.

[Lebron6]

LeThicc the truthhhhhhhhhh

Miami bran on that LBJ6 squaaaaad up
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: These haters mad. Miami bron. AYYYY

[ImKobe]

They always had to play an equally if not moreso stacked Lakers team and/or Philly team.

If it was so stacked why did they have a 17 win turnaround from the previous season or whatever it was? They had Cowens and a hobbling Maravich in his last season. I don't deny there was talent but they weren't more stacked than the Lakers and Sixers then. They had to battle Philly each year just to reach the Finals and they usually made it. Bird always did well against the Lakers, by the way, regular season or post.

Bird improved his teammates more than Kobe did, and was a considerably better all-around player except on the defensive end where Kobe exerted more effort than Bird did. Bird could pass the ball like Magic, he could rebound with the best rebounding power forwards of all time, and he's the 4th best shooter we've seen after Steph, Ray and Reggie, Bird's also probably the smartest player to ever play in the NBA, meanwhile Kobe bricked a lot of shots while running isos that didn't work out well due to his inefficiency and ball-stopping efforts and trying to shoot contested shots out of double and triple teams. Kobe was too much of a ball-stopper. The team didn't work well around him.

That's Bullshit. Bird played in a much higher-paced era so his stats are inflated. He had an easier road to the Finals and had a much shorter career. Spurs are the most consistent winning franchsie in league history and Kobe was the best player in all 4 Playoff series wins against them, that alone is better than anything Bird did in the Playoffs.

Kobe played in the toughest defensive era for wing players in the early 2000s . Bird wasn't that efficient relative to his era as you make him out to be, his defensive metrics are way overrated due to the rebounds he got.

You look at those Boston teams and the pace is 100+ pretty much every season during the peak of his career, Kobe averaged 35 ppg with a 90.9 pace. Bird is nowhere near close to Kobe in overall talent or accolades. Kobe at 22 averaged more points for a title run that Bird did in any of his 3 runs with more assists than Bird in 2 out of his 3 and we're talking 10% lower pace.

[Lebron6]

That's Bullshit. Bird played in a much higher-paced era so his stats are inflated. He had an easier road to the Finals and had a much shorter career. Spurs are the most consistent winning franchsie in league history and Kobe was the best player in all 4 Playoff series wins against them, that alone is better than anything Bird did in the Playoffs.

Kobe played in the toughest defensive era for wing players in the early 2000s . Bird wasn't that efficient relative to his era as you make him out to be, his defensive metrics are way overrated due to the rebounds he got.

You look at those Boston teams and the pace is 100+ pretty much every season during the peak of his career, Kobe averaged 35 ppg with a 90.9 pace. Bird is nowhere near close to Kobe in overall talent or accolades.
:biggums: clownBe only won 2 rings as the man. L on your forehead

[ImKobe]

:biggums: clownBe only won 2 rings as the man. L on your forehead

Bird was the man in 1981? You give shit for Kobe averaging 15 ppg in the Finals despite being injured in the 1st quarter of a game but Bird averaged 15 ppg while being healthy and 24 years old and playing at a much higher pace which lead to easier baskets.

[knicksman]

:biggums: clownBe only won 2 rings as the man. L on your forehead

Why so mad? Is it because kawhi exposed how overrated your boy is?

[72-10]

That's Bullshit. Bird played in a much higher-paced era so his stats are inflated. He had an easier road to the Finals and had a much shorter career. Spurs are the most consistent winning franchsie in league history and Kobe was the best player in all 4 Playoff series wins against them, that alone is better than anything Bird did in the Playoffs.

Kobe played in the toughest defensive era for wing players in the early 2000s . Bird wasn't that efficient relative to his era as you make him out to be, his defensive metrics are way overrated due to the rebounds he got.

You look at those Boston teams and the pace is 100+ pretty much every season during the peak of his career, Kobe averaged 35 ppg with a 90.9 pace. Bird is nowhere near close to Kobe in overall talent or accolades. Kobe at 22 averaged more points for a title run that Bird did in any of his 3 runs with more assists than Bird in 2 out of his 3 and we're talking 10% lower pace.

Bird WAS efficient. One cannot inflate percentages, and Bird shot from distance most of the time, and he shot the lights out from everywhere.

and speaking of 4 Kobe didn't win a darn thing his first four years in the league and he had a prime Shaq on his team all four of those years.

Bird's one of the best passers to lace em up and was very gracious with the ball

Kobe didn't pass much and couldn't pass well

[Turbo Slayer]

Why so mad? Is it because kawhi exposed how overrated your boy is?

LeBron is the best player in the world. Not even a question. Come at me.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Turbo Slayer]

Bird WAS efficient. One cannot inflate percentages, and Bird shot from distance most of the time, and he shot the lights out from everywhere.

and speaking of 4 Kobe didn't win a darn thing his first four years in the league and he had a prime Shaq on his team all four of those years.

Bird's one of the best passers to lace em up and was very gracious with the ball

Kobe didn't pass much and couldn't pass well
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Bird is better than Kobe.

[ImKobe]

Bird WAS efficient. One cannot inflate percentages, and Bird shot from distance most of the time, and he shot the lights out from everywhere.

and speaking of 4 Kobe didn't win a darn thing his first four years in the league and he had a prime Shaq on his team all four of those years.

Bird's one of the best passers to lace em up and was very gracious with the ball

Kobe didn't pass much and couldn't pass well

"shot from distance most of the time" averages less than two threes for his career

Kobe won his first ring in his 4th season at 21 years old and was already the closer and the best defensive player on his team. Bird didn't sniff an NBA game until 22.

Bird's passing is overrated. Kobe led 5 title teams in assists.

[And1AllDay]

"shot from distance most of the time" averages less than two threes for his career

Kobe won his first ring in his 4th season at 21 years old and was already the closer and the best defensive player on his team. Bird didn't sniff an NBA game until 22.

Bird's passing is overrated. Kobe led 5 title teams in assists.

yep kobe is leaps over bird. bird is overrated and only good claim is beating mike jordan 6-0 in the playoffs

bird made 5 finals and only led his team to scoring in 2 of them :oldlol:

the guy was a dummy with a bad back and no long career

2 fmvp and lost one to cedric maxwell? whut

bean > bird all ay

[Nashty]

:biggums: clownBe only won 2 rings as the man. L on your forehead

Wrong, Gasol was the man on Kobe's last 2 championships. Gasol battled in the paint against All NBA and All Defense big men, while Kobe was statpadding against role players like Pietrus or below average defenders like Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

[SpaceJam2]

Giannis, Harden, Kawhi, Luka all looking to push Kobe aside soon :eek:

[RRR3]

Giannis, Harden, Kawhi, Luka all looking to push Kobe aside soon :eek:
There is no way Kawhi will pass Kobe. He won’t have the longevity, sadly.

[tanibanana]

Giannis, Harden, Kawhi, Luka all looking to push Kobe aside soon :eek:

Kawhi - Nope. Load management will keep him away from top-15.
Harden - Nope. Zero rings. He'll end up top-5 SG of all time, though.
Giannis - Nope. His game does not translate to longetivity. But who knows... young to tell.
Luka - Too young to tell.

[SpaceJam2]

Kawhi - Nope. Load management will keep him away from top-15.
Harden - Nope. Zero rings. He'll end up top-5 SG of all time, though.
Giannis - Nope. His game does not translate to longetivity. But who knows... young to tell.
Luka - Too young to tell.

So he stays at 14be then? Got it

[ImKobe]

yep kobe is leaps over bird. bird is overrated and only good claim is beating mike jordan 6-0 in the playoffs

bird made 5 finals and only led his team to scoring in 2 of them :oldlol:

the guy was a dummy with a bad back and no long career

2 fmvp and lost one to cedric maxwell? whut

bean > bird all ay

Bird was a great talent but he really didn't win enough with how many great 60-win teams he had.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bird was a great talent but he really didn't win enough with how many great 60-win teams he had.
Bird & Magic get passes on a lot of things LeBron & Kobe would get hammered for

[ImKobe]

Bird & Magic get passes on a lot of things LeBron & Kobe would get hammered for

Magic got hammered tbh with the "Tragic Johnson" nickname after he choked numerous times, but have you ever really heard anything bad about Bird?

[ShawkFactory]

Bird was the man in 1981? You give shit for Kobe averaging 15 ppg in the Finals despite being injured in the 1st quarter of a game but Bird averaged 15 ppg while being healthy and 24 years old and playing at a much higher pace which lead to easier baskets.
Go watch that finals. Any game.

Ask anyone who was alive to watch that series, and anyone on that team and they

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]Go watch that finals. Any game.

Ask anyone who was alive to watch that series, and anyone on that team and they

[ShawkFactory]

I think his point is Kobe (and LeBron of course) would get pilloried for such a series regardless of context.
Bird didn

[bison]

5be.

Right behind jordan, kareem, wilt and magic. I think Kobe will stay in the top 10 at least during my lifetime.

[colts19]

Just to correct a couple things mentioned here. One poster said Bird team improved his rookie year by 17 games, it was 31 games. Another person said Bird was drafted to a stacked team, a team that won 29 games the year before is now considered stacked. Another person said Bird on won 3 chips against weaker competition. So Moses and Dr J sixers, the Bad Boys pistons and Magic's Lakers were weak competition. Not to mention Hakeem and Sampson's rockets.

[SpaceJam2]

5be.

Right behind jordan, kareem, wilt and magic. I think Kobe will stay in the top 10 at least during my lifetime.

What a dirty little hoe bag. 1st had a Curry avatar, then a Ingram one, and now you're a closet Kobe fan.

:no: You sound confused baby boi

[SpaceJam2]

Just to correct a couple things mentioned here. One poster said Bird team improved his rookie year by 17 games, it was 31 games. Another person said Bird was drafted to a stacked team, a team that won 29 games the year before is now considered stacked. Another person said Bird on won 3 chips against weaker competition. So Moses and Dr J sixers, the Bad Boys pistons and Magic's Lakers were weak competition. Not to mention Hakeem and Sampson's rockets.

That Boston team also lost Pistol Pete and another star I forget who though.

Don't kid yourself, Bird has 2 FMVPs and played on a stacked team his entire career in a watered down era, playing with little defense and no longevity. NOPE.

Next

[CodeBreaker]

Curry, KD, Kawhi, Luka

[bigkingsfan]

bradley beal

[Smoke117]

"shot from distance most of the time" averages less than two threes for his career

Kobe won his first ring in his 4th season at 21 years old and was already the closer and the best defensive player on his team. Bird didn't sniff an NBA game until 22.

Bird's passing is overrated. Kobe led 5 title teams in assists.

LMFAO. It's hilarious how delusional Kobe stans are. You seriously believe Kobe had a bigger defensive impact than Shaq? Wow. You either have to be the biggest dick sucker ever or know absolutely nothing about basketball to actually believe this nonsense. Kobe isn't even top 2. (Horry would be 2) This is why it's so hard to take Kobe stans seriously and not just instantly ridicule them...they fanboy to the point of stupidity.

[warriorfan]

LMFAO. It's hilarious how delusional Kobe stans are. You seriously believe Kobe had a bigger defensive impact than Shaq? Wow. You either have to be the biggest dick sucker ever or know absolutely nothing about basketball to actually believe this nonsense. Kobe isn't even top 2. (Horry would be 2) This is why it's so hard to take Kobe stans seriously and not just instantly ridicule them...they fanboy to the point of stupidity.

Kobe was the best wing defender in the league and Shaq was a known liability in the pick and roll.

Sleep it off bud.

[Smoke117]

Kobe was the best wing defender in the league and Shaq was a known liability in the pick and roll.

Sleep it off bud.

lol I guess you didn't actually watch basketball in 2000. The year 2000 was Shaq's best defensive season. He was great defensively that season. He was also such a liability he was runner up to Zo in DPOY. Zo had 61 first place votes and Shaq 21. Oh, and EDDIE JONES was the best wing defender in the league in 2000. Don't open your mouth if you have no idea what you're talking about...you just look like a fool.

[coin24]

How many uncles will push OPs shit in?

[warriorfan]

lol I guess you didn't actually watch basketball in 2000. The year 2000 was Shaq's best defensive season. He was great defensively that season. He was also such a liability he was runner up to Zo in DPOY. Zo had 61 first place votes and Shaq 21. Oh, and EDDIE JONES was the best wing defender in the league in 2000. Don't open your mouth if you have no idea what you're talking about...you just look like a fool.

DPOY voters **** shit up all the time. DeAndre Jordan has received more DPOY votes than Tony Allen and Rudy Gobert on multiple occasions. Eddie Jones was not a better wing defender than Kobe, sorry.

[Smoke117]

DPOY voters **** shit up all the time. DeAndre Jordan has received more DPOY votes than Tony Allen and Rudy Gobert on multiple occasions. Eddie Jones was not a better wing defender than Kobe, sorry.

I don't have anything else to say to you if you think Kobe was more impactful defensively than Shaq in 2000. It's not worth my time to argue with with someone who clearly knows nothing about basketball and even more obviously didn't actually watch any of the Lakers during that season. The entire Laker coaching staff would laugh in your face if you said Kobe was the best defensive player of the 2000 Lakers.

[SpaceJam2]

lol I guess you didn't actually watch basketball in 2000. The year 2000 was Shaq's best defensive season. He was great defensively that season. He was also such a liability he was runner up to Zo in DPOY. Zo had 61 first place votes and Shaq 21. Oh, and EDDIE JONES was the best wing defender in the league in 2000. Don't open your mouth if you have no idea what you're talking about...you just look like a fool.


Wrekt

[TheCorporation]

I think Kawhi could sneak into the top 10 with another ring as undisputed lead dog. So could Durant. Curry is going to end up around 11th or so as well.

Kobe will drop out of the top 15 pretty soon.

Brutal...15be soon?

[GOBB]

According to some here Luka will

[2much_knowledge]

None. Yall just prisoners of the moment

[And1AllDay]

none,

curry has no fin mvps so hes out
kd is a weak team up b1tch
kawhi load manage and no reg szn mvp
luka is still young but prolly not
westbrook no ring
harden no ring

[TheCorporation]

ESPN has Kobe at 12th
https://i.postimg.cc/63ntjmpd/Bean12be.jpg


Bleacher Report has Kobe at 11th
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time#slide92


Fox Sports has Kobe at 12th
https://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/ranking-the-25-greatest-players-in-nba-history-100716


SLAM has Kobe at 5th
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-of-all-time-lebron-james-no-2/


Ranker has Kobe at 7th
https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time


Clutch Points has Kobe at 10th
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time#slide92


CBS Sports has Kobe at 10th
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cbs-sports-50-greatest-nba-players-of-all-time-where-do-lebron-curry-rank/


SportyTell has Kobe 8th
https://sportytell.com/nba/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time/


LineUps has Kobe 8th
https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-nba-players-all-time/


In every single link LeBron was ranked above Kobe. LeBron was usually ranked between 2 and 4 (and some of these were done before he won again in 2020). So you get the picture...

EVERYONE ranks LeBron over Kobe.

If Kawhi wins another FMVP this year does that push Kobe out of top 12?
If Curry wins his 1st FMVP this year does that push Kobe out of top 12?
If Durant wins another FMVP this year does that push Kobe out of top 12?

Is Kobe's top 12 legacy safe with all these players knocking on the door?

[Axe]

Will this finally start to become a reality because of his insane stans like kenneth? :ohwell: