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3ball
05-27-2019, 08:12 PM
and 39% on threes in 93' playoffs on 3.8 attempts

so MJ already shot better than Kawhi while winning rings... :whatever:

He simply didn't give a shit about threes - but he wasn't going to shoot bad when it mattered, or lose because he wasn't shooting threes well enough.. heck, MJ shot better than kawhi's 34% in the 85-93' playoffs as a whole - 35.2% on 2.2 attempts.

So MJ was a better mid-range shooting, better 3-point shooting, and better scoring and clutch version of Kawhi.. :bowdown:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-28-2019/BhFe8i.gif
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SouBeachTalents
05-27-2019, 08:13 PM
1-9

RRR3
05-27-2019, 08:16 PM
Kawhi actually gets guarded at the 3PT line

1987_Lakers
05-27-2019, 08:16 PM
You are by far the most insecure stan on this board. Threatened by every single player who dominates. Do you even realize that the more you post, the more you turn people away from MJ? You are pretty much ruining his legacy on this forum by posting.

NBASTATMAN
05-27-2019, 08:18 PM
kawhi is a much better long range shooter than any of you fav players.. DUDE is money.. STOP HATING

bigkingsfan
05-27-2019, 08:19 PM
Lowry shot 47% from 3's on 7 attempts

Lowry >

3ball
05-27-2019, 08:20 PM
kawhi is a much better long range shooter than any of you fav players.. DUDE is money.. STOP HATING
Kawhi won ECF with 34% threes on 5 attempts..

But MJ won 92 & 93 Finals w/ 41% on 4.3 att, and 39% on threes in 93' playoffs on 3.8 attempts overall

so MJ already shot better than Kawhi while winning rings.. :whatever:.

Without even practicing or being in the 3-pt era.. :kobe:..

NBASTATMAN
05-27-2019, 08:23 PM
Kawhi won ECF with 34% threes on 5 attempts..

But MJ won 92 & 93 Finals w/ 41% on 4.3 att, and 39% on threes in 93' playoffs on 3.8 attempts overall

so MJ already shot better than Kawhi while winning rings.. :whatever:.

Without even practicing or being in the 3-pt era.. :kobe:..


FACE it.. KAWHI is the new improved MJ.. Bigger ,stronger , better jumper and better handle ..

Had fun.. But gotta go .

StrongLurk
05-27-2019, 08:31 PM
You are by far the most insecure stan on this board. Threatened by every single player who dominates. Do you even realize that the more you post, the more you turn people away from MJ? You are pretty much ruining his legacy on this forum by posting.

OP has WILT number 2 all time :roll:

After all the Lebron hating he does...he has the "original Bron" as the Bron haters call him..WILT...number 2 all time.

Vino24
05-27-2019, 09:00 PM
Kawhi also won without a teammate close to Pippen caliber

3ball
05-27-2019, 09:24 PM
Kawhi also won without a teammate close to Pippen caliber
The Bucks are nowhere near the dynasty Pistons

You needed a great team to make the Finals in MJ's era and ANY era..

Only in the 2000's did 5 weak teams make the Finals and get destroyed (Dwight, AI, Lebron, Kidd twice).. but even though a strong cast wasn't needed to make the Finals, lebron lost in 09/10 and stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs...

Now that his superstar casts are gone, stars like Kawhi are making the Finals again with a weak casts like before lebron's collusion

Btw, Ibaka > Horace, Lowry > Paxson, and Siakam is pretty close to 90' or 91 Pippen - MJ won in 90' and 91' with young, developing casts - pippen wasn't in his prime yet, just like Siakam

RRR3
05-27-2019, 09:30 PM
The Bucks are nowhere near the dynasty Pistons

You needed a great team to make the Finals in MJ's era and ANY era..

Only in the 2000's did 5 weak teams make the Finals and get destroyed (Dwight, AI, Lebron, Kidd twice).. but even though a strong cast wasn't needed to make the Finals, lebron lost in 09/10 and stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs...

Now that his superstar casts are gone, stars like Kawhi are making the Finals again with a weak casts like before lebron's collusion

Btw, Ibaka > Horace, Lowry > Paxson, and Siakam is pretty close to 90' or 91 Pippen - MJ won in 90' and 91' with young, developing casts - pippen wasn't in his prime yet, just like Siakam
Nope

NBAGOAT
05-27-2019, 09:34 PM
Nope

Siakam ain

TheBranStan
05-27-2019, 09:47 PM
A 2ball thread without LeBron :eek:

Pushxx
05-27-2019, 09:51 PM
You are by far the most insecure stan on this board. Threatened by every single player who dominates. Do you even realize that the more you post, the more you turn people away from MJ? You are pretty much ruining his legacy on this forum by posting.

It's the WAY he does it lmao

Instead of just posting highlight/informational threads he always drags down other players to make his points.

RRR3
05-27-2019, 09:52 PM
Siakam ain’t in the same tier as pippen as a defender either or as a passer. Tbf, Lowry is better than Paxson/Armstrong
I missed the Siakaham part :roll:


Classic 2ball

Vino24
05-27-2019, 09:53 PM
A 2ball thread without LeBron :eek:
New target acquired :oldlol:

NBAGOAT
05-27-2019, 09:55 PM
I missed the Siakaham part :roll:


Classic 2ball

Was that a veiled Brandon Ingraham reference :lol

SouBeachTalents
05-27-2019, 09:56 PM
You are by far the most insecure stan on this board. Threatened by every single player who dominates. Do you even realize that the more you post, the more you turn people away from MJ? You are pretty much ruining his legacy on this forum by posting.
That's what makes him such a fakkit. He legit doesn't even enjoy basketball, he just tries to tear down every player he sees as a threat to his beloved MJ. LeBron's obviously been his obsession going on 5 years, but now he's doing this with Curry, Kawhi, Giannis etc.

RRR3
05-27-2019, 09:59 PM
Was that a veiled Brandon Ingraham reference :lol
Yes :D

I didn’t come up with Siakaham tho :lol

RRR3
05-27-2019, 10:00 PM
That's what makes him such a fakkit. He legit doesn't even enjoy basketball, he just tries to tear down every player he sees as a threat to his beloved MJ. LeBron's obviously been his obsession going on 5 years, but now he's doing this with Curry, Kawhi, Giannis etc.
He did it with Westbrook a bit back in 2017 too.

red1
05-27-2019, 11:26 PM
holy shit OP you ****ing loser.



if you wanna do it so bad why don't you just find MJ and offer to suck his dick? that way you can have some closure when he calls you a ****ing fakkit and asks you to get off his lawn.





3ball. :facepalm

And1AllDay
05-28-2019, 12:28 AM
Helps when you got the GOAT 2nd option all time baby boi

Scottie Pippen (1991, 1992, 1993)
21/9/7 with 1.94 spg, .88 bpg on 46% FG (DRrtg 104)

Magic Johnson (1984, 1985, 1988)
19/7/13 with 2.05 spg, 0.35 bpg on 53% FG (DRtg 108)

Kobe Bryant (2000, 2001, 2002)
22/6/5 with 1.28 spg, 1.21 bpg on 42% FG (DRtg 108)

Dwyane Wade (2012, 2013, 2014)
19/4/4 with 1.64 spg, .88 bpg on 45% FG (DRtg 112)

Scottie's rank among the 4 candidates
PPG: 2nd
RPG: 1st
APG: 2nd
SPG: 2nd
BPG: 2nd
FG%: 2nd
DRTg: 1st

And1AllDay
05-28-2019, 12:29 AM
Was that a veiled Brandon Ingraham reference :lol

Ingraham and Siakaham

Jordaham :oldlol:

LostCause
05-28-2019, 02:42 AM
Lmao

This is so unnecessary it

LAVAR BALL
05-28-2019, 05:31 AM
Is there a reason why you choose only 92 and 93 ?
Were MJ's 3pt % so bad in 91 you choose to hide them ? :) What about his 2nd 3peat ?

Just saying, stop cherry-picking.

And Kawhi just had his best serie ever against a team with guys who were All-Star this year or the year before. Remind me which team did this during MJ's carreer?

Nikola_
05-28-2019, 06:03 AM
You are by far the most insecure stan on this board. Threatened by every single player who dominates. Do you even realize that the more you post, the more you turn people away from MJ? You are pretty much ruining his legacy on this forum by posting.

how can poster on message board affect MJ fan in any way?:lol One must be pretty weak minded

Manny98
05-28-2019, 06:13 AM
Bro no one actually thinks Kawhi is better than peak MJ, calm your tits :oldlol:

plowking
05-28-2019, 09:03 AM
Helps when you got the GOAT 2nd option all time baby boi

Scottie Pippen (1991, 1992, 1993)
21/9/7 with 1.94 spg, .88 bpg on 46% FG (DRrtg 104)

Magic Johnson (1984, 1985, 1988)
19/7/13 with 2.05 spg, 0.35 bpg on 53% FG (DRtg 108)

Kobe Bryant (2000, 2001, 2002)
22/6/5 with 1.28 spg, 1.21 bpg on 42% FG (DRtg 108)

Dwyane Wade (2012, 2013, 2014)
19/4/4 with 1.64 spg, .88 bpg on 45% FG (DRtg 112)

Scottie's rank among the 4 candidates
PPG: 2nd
RPG: 1st
APG: 2nd
SPG: 2nd
BPG: 2nd
FG%: 2nd
DRTg: 1st


Pretty much.

Dude was a top 5 player at his best. No other way to slice it. So dynamic.

3ball
05-28-2019, 07:07 PM
:rolleyes:

TheCorporation
05-28-2019, 07:08 PM
Why leave out Pippen's 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994 ecsf, 1995 ecsf, or 96-98'?

Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside Mike (91-93') and was horrible every other year:




1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats during 96-98' playoffs - 17 on 40.8%
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Pretty sure those numbers were pulled based off of FINALS production.

Are you that dense? Or trolling again :rolleyes:

ArbitraryWater
05-28-2019, 07:13 PM
Wade also carried lebron in the 2013 Finals[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]
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wade was benched that series for his net negative impact

3ball
05-28-2019, 07:13 PM
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Heat ORtgN with Wade on floor:. 109.8
Heat ORtg w/out Wade on floor:. ..87.3
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...............Increase in team ORtg:. 22.5 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)<--- link to NBA.com dara


Heat ORtgN with Lebron on floor:. 106.7
Heat ORtg w/out Lebron on floor:. ..98.8
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.....................Increase in team ORtg:.7.9 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)


In the 13' Finals, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, while his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force game 7.. Lebron was also a net negative for this series
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3ball
05-28-2019, 07:15 PM
Scottie Pippen (1991, 1992, 1993)
21/9/7 with 1.94 spg, .88 bpg on 46% FG (DRrtg 104)

Magic Johnson (1984, 1985, 1988)
19/7/13 with 2.05 spg, 0.35 bpg on 53% FG (DRtg 108)

Kobe Bryant (2000, 2001, 2002)
22/6/5 with 1.28 spg, 1.21 bpg on 42% FG (DRtg 108)

Dwyane Wade (2012, 2013, 2014)
19/4/4 with 1.64 spg, .88 bpg on 45% FG (DRtg 112)

Pretty much.

Dude was a top 5 player at his best. No other way to slice it. So dynamic.



Why leave out Pippen's 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994 ecsf, 1995 ecsf, or 96-98'?

Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside Mike (91-93') and was horrible every other year:




1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats during 96-98' playoffs - 17 on 40.8%

Also, you left out 2011 for Wade... Wade averaged 20/5/4 on 47% in the 11-14' playoffs, which compares to pippen's 91-93' and beats his 96-98'..

Wade also carried lebron in the 2013 Finals (see previous post)
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aj1987
06-03-2019, 02:40 AM
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Heat ORtgN with Wade on floor:. 109.8
Heat ORtg w/out Wade on floor:. ..87.3
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...............Increase in team ORtg:. 22.5 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)<--- link to NBA.com dara


Heat ORtgN with Lebron on floor:. 106.7
Heat ORtg w/out Lebron on floor:. ..98.8
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.....................Increase in team ORtg:.7.9 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)
How has literally no one called out 3ball on this? Are you really this retarded, 3ball? I'm pretty sure you even made this post into a thread, thinking that you found something new while wasting your life away on NBA.com's stats pages.

That's the Heat's DEFENSIVE Rating with Wade and LeBron On/Off the court. According to DRtg, the Heat had a DRtg of 109.8 with Wade ON the Court and 87.3 with him OFF the court. To make it simpler, the Spurs scored at a rate of 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Wade ON the court and were held to 87.3 points per 100 possessions with Wade OFF the Court.

Offensive rating? The Heat were a +16.5 with Wade OFF the court, according to ORtg.



In the 13' Finals, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, while his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force game 7.. Lebron was also a net negative for this series
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LeBron averaged 17/12/7/2/1 through the first 3 games and 30/9/8/3/1 through games 4-6. Lets also not forget that Allen's shot was only possible because LeBron scored 16 points on 7-10 shooting in the 4th and his 3 made Allen's 3 possible.

To put that in perspective, Ordan 24/5/3 on 37% over games 4, 5, and 6 in the '96 Finals, including 22 points on 26% shooting in the clincher. Needed his teammates to carry him to the championship.

SpaceJam2
06-03-2019, 02:42 AM
How has literally no one called out 3ball on this? Are you really this retarded, 3ball? I'm pretty sure you even made this post into a thread, thinking that you found something new while wasting your life away on NBA.com's stats pages.

That's the Heat's DEFENSIVE Rating with Wade and LeBron On/Off the court. According to DRtg, the Heat had a DRtg of 109.8 with Wade ON the Court and 87.3 with him OFF the court. To make it simpler, the Spurs scored at a rate of 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Wade ON the court and were held to 87.3 points per 100 possessions with Wade OFF the Court.

Offensive rating? The Heat were a +16.5 with Wade OFF the court, according to ORtg.



LeBron averaged 17/12/7/2/1 through the first 3 games and 30/9/8/3/1 through games 4-6. Lets also not forget that Allen's shot was only possible because LeBron scored 16 points on 7-10 shooting in the 4th and his 3 made Allen's 3 possible.

To put that in perspective, Ordan 24/5/3 on 37% over games 4, 5, and 6 in the '96 Finals, including 22 points on 26% shooting in the clincher. Needed his teammates to carry him to the championship.

Stick a fork in 3ball, he's done

Smoke117
06-03-2019, 02:44 AM
Why leave out Pippen's 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994 ecsf, 1995 ecsf, or 96-98'?

Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside Mike (91-93') and was horrible every other year:




1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats during 96-98' playoffs - 17 on 40.8%

Also, you left out 2011 for Wade... Wade averaged 20/5/4 on 47% in the 11-14' playoffs, which compares to pippen's 91-93' and beats his 96-98'..

Wade also carried lebron in the 2013 Finals (see previous post)
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Yes, because all that matters is how many points you score. It doesn't matter at all that Pippen was, first, hurt during all three playoff runs in their second threepeat or ,second, that he was also the best defensive player on the floor. He scored 17ppg on 40.8% so he's garbage. You are a toddler when it comes to knowing anything about basketball.

3ball
06-03-2019, 04:00 AM
Yes, because all that matters is how many points you score. It doesn't matter at all that Pippen was, first, hurt during all three playoff runs in their second threepeat or ,second, that he was also the best defensive player on the floor. He scored 17ppg on 40.8% so he's garbage. You are a toddler when it comes to knowing anything about basketball.
Lol still harping on defense as if that makes up for anemic offense

And pip's defense wasn't even that good during the 2nd three-peat - he got busted up by everyone and locked down virtually no one

But it wouldn't matter anyway.. 17 on 40% is unacceptable for any 2nd option, let alone a dynasty one.. but the reality is that MJ always needed the least help to win, so it's no surprise he still 3-peated

andgar923
06-03-2019, 09:13 AM
I don

Gunslinger
06-04-2019, 04:25 PM
17 on 40% is unacceptable for any 2nd option, let alone a dynasty one.. but the reality is that MJ always needed the least help to win, so it's no surprise he still 3-peated

Otoh, Duncan won a chip with 2nd option Parker scoring 14 PPG on 38% in the 2003 finals. Not bad for the GOAT.

:applause:

3ball
06-04-2019, 05:04 PM
Otoh, Duncan won a chip with 2nd option Parker scoring 14 PPG on 38% in the 2003 finals. Not bad for the GOAT.

:applause:
Duncan = 1 chip with anemic 2nd option

Jordan = 3 rings with anemic 2nd option


So MJ goat

FKAri
06-04-2019, 05:14 PM
FVV won ECF with 57% threes on 7.5 attempts.

3ball
06-04-2019, 06:01 PM
FVV won ECF with 57% threes on 7.5 attempts.
It's crazy to think what MJ would do with that kind of spacing.. :facepalm .. he'd never lose a game.. maybe ever

RRR3
06-04-2019, 06:07 PM
It's crazy to think what MJ would do with that kind of spacing.. :facepalm .. he'd never lose a game.. maybe ever
He literally played with the guy with the highest 3PT% ever.

Not to mention at times he had guys like B.J. Armstrong, Craig Hodges, Trent Tucker

3ball
06-04-2019, 09:45 PM
He literally played with the guy with the highest 3PT% ever.

Not to mention at times he had guys like B.J. Armstrong, Craig Hodges, Trent Tucker
Are you serious?

His 91' bulls attempted 5 threes per game, while the NBA average is 30 today... the most any bulls team attempted was like 12

The reality is that the "wall" that the Raps used to stop Giannis was the standard defense back then - defenders could just stay in the paint because there was no 3-pt shooting to draw them out.. that's why all good scorers back then had killer mid-range, as needed to shoot over packed paints - Giannis would never be MVP back then.. :confusedshrug:
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FKAri
06-04-2019, 10:21 PM
Are you serious?

His 91' bulls attempted 5 threes per game, while the NBA average is 30 today... the most any bulls team attempted was like 12

The reality is that the "wall" that the Raps used to stop Giannis was the standard defense back then - defenders could just stay in the paint because there was no 3-pt shooting to draw them out.. that's why all good scorers back then had killer mid-range, as needed to shoot over packed paints - Giannis would never be MVP back then.. :confusedshrug:
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You can't blame modern offenses and defenses for being smarter than the dumbass 90s Bulls.

3ball
06-04-2019, 10:39 PM
You can't blame modern offenses and defenses for being smarter than the dumbass 90s Bulls.
^^^ That doesn't matter - the point is that MJ was the goat scorer with no spacing, so his scoring would be godly in today's spacing... And hands off defense and freedom of movement mandates

riseagainst
06-05-2019, 01:59 AM
Kawhi actually gets guarded at the 3PT line

3ball
06-05-2019, 03:12 PM
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2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


Curry


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-25-2019/kWY9Tu.gif


Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
__________________________________________________ ___________
Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want

3ball
06-05-2019, 03:14 PM
Kawhi actually gets guarded at the 3PT line
Today's spacing gives defenders no chance to recover, so everyone gets open looks - even Curry shoots 80% of his threes as open (4-6 feet from closest defender) or wide open (6+ feet) - see NBA.com's stats in previous post

And 89% of NBA threes are "open" or "wide open"

So ur wrong.. MJ would be open today, more than previous eras when defenders could recover easier due to less spacing..

Vino24
06-05-2019, 03:16 PM
Curry is a better shooter than MJ

Stephonit
06-05-2019, 03:20 PM
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2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


Curry


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-25-2019/kWY9Tu.gif


Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
__________________________________________________ ___________
Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want

Comparing good mid-range shooters to Curry when he is shooting for 3 is dumb. Apples to oranges. Closer to an apples to apples comparison is looking at the 2FG%. 45% when covered very tight but goes up to 55% with a little more room.

Vino24
06-05-2019, 03:21 PM
Comparing good mid-range shooters to Curry when he is shooting for 3 is dumb. Apples to oranges. Closer to an apples to apples comparison is looking at the 2FG%. 45% when covered very tight but goes up to 55% with a little more room.
If you translate Curry

Stephonit
06-05-2019, 03:22 PM
[QUOTE=Vino24]If you translate Curry

3ball
06-05-2019, 03:47 PM
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From Nylon Calculas



The difference between many good and great teams — and, indeed, many good and great players — is what they do in the last five seconds of the shot clock when the plan breaks down. Even the most prepared teams will run into those situations, particularly against great defenses. The deeper a team gets in the 24-second shot clock, the more difficult it becomes for that team to find layup and three-point opportunities, and the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper thus becomes king.

https://the-cauldron.com/lost-art-the-mid-range-jumper-64b64fa0f081
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3ball
06-05-2019, 03:47 PM
Comparing good mid-range shooters to Curry when he is shooting for 3 is dumb. Apples to oranges. Closer to an apples to apples comparison is looking at the 2FG%. 45% when covered very tight but goes up to 55% with a little more room.
I'm not comparing curry to mid-range

I'm just pointing out that curry is open for most of his threes, and shoots poorly on all contested jumpshots, threes or mid-range

Since Curry needs to be open, his value goes down as the shot clock winds down because "the deeper a team gets in the 24-second shot clock, the more difficult it becomes for that team to find layup and three-point opportunities, and the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper thus becomes king" (nylon calculus - see previous post)..

SpaceJam2
06-05-2019, 04:08 PM
[QUOTE=Vino24]If you translate Curry

3ball
06-05-2019, 04:10 PM
The work is done here bois :applause:
Mid-range is contested so curry doesn't shoot anywhere near 65% - he ain't getting 80% of his mid-range open like he does for threes.. :oldlol:

He only has good percentages on open threes and open mid-range - he infact sucks at contested threes and contested mid-range

Should I post Curry's stats for contested 3 and mid-range?

Manny98
06-05-2019, 04:15 PM
Mid-range is contested so curry doesn't shoot anywhere near 65% - he ain't getting 80% of his mid-range open like he does for threes.. :oldlol:

He only has good percentages on open threes and open mid-range - he infact sucks at contested threes and contested mid-range

Should I post Curry's stats for contested 3 and mid-range?
Curry's contested stats are still better than MJ moron :oldlol:

SpaceJam2
06-05-2019, 04:17 PM
Curry's contested stats are still better than MJ moron :oldlol:


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3ball
06-05-2019, 04:30 PM
Curry's contested stats are still better than MJ moron :oldlol:
No they aren't. Not even close... What numbers are you looking at

Curry shoots 29% on tightly-contested mid-range and 39% on contested mid-range

and 80% of his threes are open


So he sucks at contested jumpshots and therefore isn't the goat shooter

Manny98
06-05-2019, 04:49 PM
I just checked and he shoots 37% on contested 3s which is still higher than MJs overall 3 point percentage

Ordan can't even shoot 40% on wide open 3s :roll:

SpaceJam2
06-05-2019, 05:04 PM
I just checked and he shoots 37% on contested 3s which is still higher than MJs overall 3 point percentage

Ordan can't even shoot 40% on wide open 3s :roll:

Yiiikes :eek:

3ball
06-05-2019, 05:11 PM
I just checked and he shoots 37% on contested 3s which is still higher than MJs overall 3 point percentage

Ordan can't even shoot 40% on wide open 3s :roll:
But 80% of curry's threes are open, so he's rarely shooting contested shots - only when he's already hot - so no volume

And you're just lucky MJ doesn't play today because he'd one of the best 3-pt shooters itl

Manny98
06-05-2019, 05:32 PM
But 80% of curry's threes are open, so he's rarely shooting contested shots - only when he's already hot - so no volume

And you're just lucky MJ doesn't play today because he'd one of the best 3-pt shooters itl
Curry has GOAT off ball movement that's why he can get open so often :applause:

3ball
06-05-2019, 05:53 PM
Curry has GOAT off ball movement that's why he can get open so often :applause:
No, because 89% of the nba's threes are open - the spacing doesn't give defenders a chance to recover to shooters

So Curry actually does better than the league average, but getting 80% of your threes open is still a ridiculous luxury.. that spacing is no joke

aj1987
06-05-2019, 06:01 PM
No, because 89% of the nba's threes are open - the spacing doesn't give defenders a chance to recover to shooters

So Curry actually does better than the league average, but getting 80% of your threes open is still a ridiculous luxury.. that spacing is no joke
So what you're saying is that Ordan was an autistic **** like you, who didn't realize the importance of the 3 point line? Got it. :cheers:

LeBron, Curry, Kawhi, KD, etc. would all shit on Ordan, if he played today.

3ball
06-05-2019, 06:11 PM
So what you're saying is that Ordan was an autistic **** like you, who didn't realize the importance of the 3 point line? Got it. :cheers:

LeBron, Curry, Kawhi, KD, etc. would all shit on Ordan, if he played today.
Nah, MJ had goat form and was a natural

That's why despite no practice, MJ was good at threes anytime it mattered (43% on 3.3 attempts in 91-93' Finals; 39% on 3.8 attempts in 91-93' playoffs; 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in 85-93' playoffs)

And anytime he tried (MJ attempted less than 1.5 threes per game except for 90' and 93' where he took 3+ attempts and shot 37.6% and 35.2%)

So again, MJ was good anytime it mattered and anytime he tried, despite no practice - the sign of a natural and goat shooter

aj1987
06-05-2019, 06:14 PM
Nah, MJ had goat form and was a natural

That's why despite no practice, MJ was good at threes anytime it mattered (43% on 3.3 attempts in 91-93' Finals; 39% on 3.8 attempts in 91-93' playoffs; 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in 85-93' playoffs)

And anytime he tried (MJ attempted less than 1.5 threes per game except for 90' and 93' where he took 3+ attempts and shot 37.6% and 35.2%)

So again, MJ was good anytime it mattered and anytime he tried, despite no practice - the sign of a natural and goat shooter
tl;dr - Basketball when Ordan played was primitive AF and the idiots were just too dumb to utilize the 3pt line.

Got it. No wonder Ordan was a god awful 3pt shooter and not to mention the fact that he needed Pippen to save his career. :cheers:

3ball
06-05-2019, 06:33 PM
tl;dr - Basketball when Ordan played was primitive AF and the idiots were just too dumb to utilize the 3pt line.

Got it. No wonder Ordan was a god awful 3pt shooter and not to mention the fact that he needed Pippen to save his career. :cheers:
he'd be more dominant with today's spacing

And also hands-off defense and freedom of movement mandates

The only question is how much over 40 ppg would he average?.. something like 43.7 seems or 42.3 or something like that

RRR3
06-05-2019, 06:48 PM
he'd be more dominant with today's spacing

And also hands-off defense and freedom of movement mandates

The only question is how much over 40 ppg would he average?.. something like 43.7 seems or 42.3 or something like that
He’d be DeRozan. They play the exact same way.

LostCause
06-05-2019, 07:06 PM
He’d be DeRozan. They play the exact same way.

They absolutely do not play the same way

Like saying Ben Simmons plays exactly like LeBron

3ball
06-05-2019, 07:08 PM
He’d be DeRozan. They play the exact same way.
When you make a comment this dumb, you concede defeat

RRR3
06-05-2019, 07:32 PM
They absolutely do not play the same way

Like saying Ben Simmons plays exactly like LeBron
I’m clearly trolling 3ball.


Stop making me admit it :rant

aj1987
06-14-2019, 03:47 PM
he'd be more dominant with today's spacing
Nah, dude was a massive ball hog and a cancer, who got taught how to play basketball by Pippen.


The only question is how much over 40 ppg would he average?.. something like 43.7 seems or 42.3 or something like that
Yeah, and he would be jacking up close to 38 shots a night.