Past players who would fit better in today

[RRR3]

Throw some names out.


Obviously 3PT shooting bigs stand out, but who else?


Steve Nash is a good one.

[bullettooth]

Mahmoud Abdul Rauf

[NBAGOAT]

mark price, laimbeer, and glen rice. A defensive rim protector who's just asked to rebound and/or catch lobs like mutombo might be more useful offensively honestly

[imdaman99]

My main man Mahmoud Abdul Rauf :banana: was ahead of his time

[Jasper]

jon mackloglin (spelling)

1971 championship team of the Bucks had a heII of a stroke.

[bullettooth]

My main man Mahmoud Abdul Rauf :banana: was ahead of his time

Meant to say that guy in my previous post.

Also, Drazen Petrovic

[LostCause]

Reggie Miller’s impact would be immense today, which considering how crazy good his offensive impact was for his time, says a lot about how effective he was

Birds another easy one. His career would be longer, too

[RRR3]

Petrovic is a good call. In his last two seasons before his untimely death, dude put up 20.6 PPG while shooting 44.4% from 3 (3.4 attempts per game) and 22.3 PPG while shooting 44.9% from 3 (2.4 attempts per game). I know he’s widely considered one of the GOAT shooters so imagine him with modern volume for 3PTers.

[HoopologyPhD]

Sam Perkins

[Proctor]

Michael Redd

[paksat]

gilbert arenas

[3ball]

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From Nylon Calculas



The difference between many good and great teams — and, indeed, many good and great players — is what they do in the last five seconds of the shot clock when the plan breaks down. Even the most prepared teams will run into those situations, particularly against great defenses. The deeper a team gets in the 24-second shot clock, the more difficult it becomes for that team to find layup and three-point opportunities, and the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper thus becomes king.

https://the-cauldron.com/lost-art-the-mid-range-jumper-64b64fa0f081


So midrange is king in all eras - it's the true skill of the game - everyone in prior eras would thrive today because they were superior midrange players and 2-point shot-makers overall.. then they'd simply add threes to their game, like everyone but the brokest of jumpshooters do

Also, ball movement works better against spacing, so the lack of spacing in prior eras created an expectation of players to take their man 1-on-1 and make contested shots.. These shots are forbidden today since the spacing exists to more effectively move the ball, but they were the standard in prior eras

The contested shooting required of unspaced courts required everyone to develop their own individually-unique way of shot-making - i.e. no one plays like Kareem, Jamaal Wilkes, or Magic.. or Bird or McAdoo or English - otoh, today's game has various versions of Klay Thompson - 3-D robots

[RRR3]

Shut the hell up 3Ball take your agenda elsewhere

[Sakkreth]

Sabonis. I think he was goat level player anyways if not for injuries. But even then, Jokic is broken down and old Sabonis lite. That's crazy.

[dazzer87]

Craig Hodges

[3ball]

Shut the hell up 3Ball take your agenda elsewhere
You asked which players from prior eras would fit better today

I said everyone

because mid-range is always king and prior eras were mid-range and 2-point specialists.. they would find the midrange MORE open today than ever before, and would add the 3-point shot like everyone else has

Then I provided data showing that "the deeper a team gets in the 24-second shot clock, the more difficult it becomes for that team to find layup and three-point opportunities, and the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper thus becomes king."

This demonstrates that the mid-range kings of prior eras would dominate today's spaced out game because mid-range is always the most valuable shot as the shot clock winds down, and today's midrange is more open than ever (defenders must guard the 3-pt line).

So i answered your question, but all the backup I provided must've thrown you off

[TheCorporation]

You asked which players from prior eras would fit better today

I said everyone

because mid-range is always king and prior eras were mid-range and 2-point specialists

Then I provided data showing that "the deeper a team gets in the 24-second shot clock, the more difficult it becomes for that team to find layup and three-point opportunities, and the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper thus becomes king."

This demonstrates that the mid-range kings of prior eras would dominate today's spaced out game because mid-range is always the most valuable shot as the shot clock winds down, and today's midrange is more open than ever (defenders must guard the 3-pt line).

So i answered your question, but all the backup I provided must've thrown you off

Why is MJ's VORP #2 all time

https://i.postimg.cc/vH5N6YJQ/Vorp559028471907.jpg

[bullettooth]

Why is MJ's VORP #2 all time

https://i.postimg.cc/vH5N6YJQ/Vorp559028471907.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/23h86lh.jpg

[3ball]

Why is MJ's VORP #2 all time

https://i.postimg.cc/vH5N6YJQ/Vorp559028471907.jpg
^^^ that's based on games played.. he loses all the rate of domination stats (PER, WS/48, PPG, SPG, OREB, usage, ORtg)

And he reduces teammates' vorp to get his vorp

He also has shit teamwork and a figured-out brand of ball (see Giannis this year)

[RRR3]

Thanks for ruining my thread you obsessed weirdos.

[TheCorporation]

^^^ that's based on games played.. he loses all the rate of domination stats (PER, WS/48, PPG, SPG, OREB, usage, ORtg)

And he reduces teammates' vorp to get his vorp

He also has shit teamwork and a figured-out brand of ball (see Giannis this year)

Wow so LeBron played more games, eh? How is that? :lol

More than Kareem? Interesting...

[TheCorporation]

Thanks for ruining my thread you obsessed weirdos.

Sorry G :cheers: I'll stop. Had to clap 1ball's cheeks really quick

Nice little quickie

[90sgoat]

Small point guards from the 90s:

Mark Price
Dana Barros
That black muslim
John Stockton
Tim Hardaway
Mookie Blaylock
etc
etc

Someone like Tim Hardaway would probably average 25+ with his speed and dribbling. We already saw in RunTMC in GSW, which is basically what most teams play like. He would be an instant star.

Mark Price would be like a rich man's Steve Nash, which means multiple MVPs. 50-40-90 shooter, very skilled in the PnR and a very good defender.

Christian Laettner could also dominate as a small ball 5.

[bullettooth]

Small point guards from the 90s:

Mark Price
Dana Barros
That black muslim
John Stockton
Tim Hardaway
Mookie Blaylock
etc
etc

Someone like Tim Hardaway would probably average 25+ with his speed and dribbling. We already saw in RunTMC in GSW, which is basically what most teams play like. He would be an instant star.

Mark Price would be like a rich man's Steve Nash, which means multiple MVPs. 50-40-90 shooter, very skilled in the PnR and a very good defender.

Christian Laettner could also dominate as a small ball 5.

:roll:

[NBAGOAT]

Small point guards from the 90s:

Mark Price
Dana Barros
That black muslim
John Stockton
Tim Hardaway
Mookie Blaylock
etc
etc

Someone like Tim Hardaway would probably average 25+ with his speed and dribbling. We already saw in RunTMC in GSW, which is basically what most teams play like. He would be an instant star.

Mark Price would be like a rich man's Steve Nash, which means multiple MVPs. 50-40-90 shooter, very skilled in the PnR and a very good defender.

Christian Laettner could also dominate as a small ball 5.

lol mark price isnt nash as a passer or a ball handler and maybe even worse as a shooter(nash's prime in phx is ridiculous) and very little suggests he was a very good defender even if he was likely better than nash. He's a poor man's nash.

He would definitely fit well in the era today and is extremely good. However people were crazy calling him better than Curry and saying he's better than nash is silly too

[Phoenix]

lol mark price isnt nash as a passer or a ball handler and maybe even worse as a shooter(nash's prime in phx is ridiculous) and very little suggests he was a very good defender even if he was likely better than nash. He's a poor man's nash.

He would definitely fit well in the era today and is extremely good. However people were crazy calling him better than Curry and saying he's better than nash is silly too

Nash himself would probably be better today than back in 2005. His MVP ascension kicked off at the same time the perimeter defensive rules changed, and it's just snowballed into what we have today.

[Phenith]

Sheed

[Phoenix]

Garnett would be better today.

[NBAGOAT]

Nash himself would probably be better today than back in 2005. His MVP ascension kicked off at the same time the perimeter defensive rules changed, and it's just snowballed into what we have today.

d'antoni and nash are both on record saying he would be putting up more 3's. Little scary with how good a shooter he is.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

Fuc.king everybody jfc

Today's game is the beginner game - spacing, freedom of movement, hands-off defense, open paint

Previous eras was the advanced game - no spacing, no freedom to of movement, hand-checking, physicality, crowded paint.

[TheCorporation]

Fuc.king everybody jfc

Today's game is the beginner game - spacing, freedom of movement, hands-off defense, open paint

Previous eras was the advanced game - no spacing, no freedom to of movement, hand-checking, physicality, crowded paint

The land of make believe

https://i.postimg.cc/1R6MHTXS/PessimisticLeftCowbird-size_restricted.gif

Sorry for these:

https://i.postimg.cc/52pLFfYT/Ker_levell.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqR9sXnB/hjklhjkl.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/nz43C3NT/90s_spacing.png

https://pics.me.me/mj-was-out-there-literally-playing-against-mechanics-how-did-45744311.png

[LostCause]

Thanks for ruining my thread you obsessed weirdos.

I actually laughed when I read this :roll:

[Sportal]

Michael Beasley.. being considered a "Tweener" was hard on him.. too small to defend PF, too slow to defend SF. Dude could score.

[jstern]

Chris Jackson. He would be a superstar in this era. Unfortunately had to play in the 90s with hand checking.

[Big164]

Barkley
KJ
Miller
Wilt
Mahmoud Abdul Rauf
Jerry West

[Bawkish]

Allen Iverson

[Gougou]

Yao Ming, 7'6 tall center will crush small lineups!

[G-train]

Bob Netolicky

[Wally450]

Michael Redd

Bingo. First name that came to my mind.

[Phoenix]

d'antoni and nash are both on record saying he would be putting up more 3's. Little scary with how good a shooter he is.

Sure. For perspective he was putting up 4-5 a game from 2005 to 2007. That doesn't even qualify as a 'volume' 3point shooter by 2019 standards.

[tontoz]

Not sure why anyone would mention Nash. He played in this era.He just retired 5 years ago.

I would give another vote for Price. He took 5 3s a game way back in 1990. He had a very quick release, could stop on a dime and launch at any time. Ahead of his time but like a lot of small guards back then got beat up and didn't last long.

[Gotterdammerung]

I'd pick Bob McAdoo. Dude was several generations ahead of his time.

[AirFederer]

Lebron

Dat stiff arm :bowdown:

[Wally450]

I was thinking about this thread and listening to guys saying you need to be able to shoot 3's to succeed in this league. Draymond Green shoots terribly from 3 as an undersized PF. How is he able to be so successful in todays game?

Just shows that you don't need to be able to shoot the 3 to be successful.

[3ball]

I was thinking about this thread and listening to guys saying you need to be able to shoot 3's to succeed in this league. Draymond Green shoots terribly from 3 as an undersized PF. How is he able to be so successful in todays game?

Just shows that you don't need to be able to shoot the 3 to be successful.


Kawhi won the ECF with 34% threes on 5 attempts..

MJ won 92 and 93 Finals w/ 41% on 4.3 attempts

and 39% on 3.8 attempts in 93' playoffs overall.. or 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in,85-93' playoffs

so MJ already shot better than Kawhi while winning rings...

He simply didn't give a shit about threes so he didn't practice them and the attempts weren't there in the regular season - but he wasn't going to shoot bad when it mattered, or lose because he wasn't shooting threes well enough..

So MJ was a better mid-range shooting, better 3-point shooting, and better scoring and clutch version of Kawhi..

[sammichoffate]

Antoine Walker, Rasheed Wallace, Dennis Rodman, Nick Van Exel, Chris Mullin, Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond, Peja Stojakovic

[Bronbron23]

Pretty much every perimeter player ever. The rules and style of play favor the perimeter players much more than years past