Finals stats Wade 11-14' vs Pippen Career

[3ball]

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Career Finals Stats



Wade 11-14:.'... 21.1 ppg.. 5.2 rpg.. 4.5 apg.. 47.9%
Pippen Career:. 19.0 ppg.. 8.3 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 42.5%
Wade Career:...' 23.9 ppg.. 5.7 rpg.. 4.3 apg.. 47.6%


So it's basically the same except Wade's offensive impact goes beyond a few PPG - he was the closer, commanded double-teams, and the Heat's ORtg showed the biggest increase when Wade was on the floor in the 2013 Finals (+22) compared to Lebron (+7), per NBA.com (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13728288&postcount=33)

Pippen never closed or impacted the Bulls' offense like that.. He was a system player and raw offensively that only scraped 20 ppg a few times by learning from Mike

[TheCorporation]

1-9

[TheCorporation]

Also, since you're a dummy

2011 Wade was a 1st option so your thread is a big flop

redo

[3ball]

Also, since you're a dummy

2011 Wade was a 1st option so your thread is a big flop

redo
Lebron was 1st option but the 2nd option had to score a little more to prevent blowout in light of LeChoke

[Objectivity]

Also, since you're a dummy

2011 Wade was a 1st option so your thread is a big flop

redo

Why did bran sabotage him?

[StrongLurk]

Wade better on O, Pippen better on D

Great, thanks for stating the obvious.

[3ball]

Wade better on O, Pippen better on D

Great, thanks for stating the obvious.
O is more important unless the the guy is a bad defender, but lebron inherited an all-defender in Wade (all-defense in 10')

Teammates are closer in ability to the team leaders on defense than offense.. Kerr isn't 30 points worse than MJ on defense, but he is on offense

[TheCorporation]

O is more important unless the the guy is a bad defender, but lebron inherited an all-defender in Wade (all-defense in 10')

Teammates are closer in ability to the team leaders on defense than offense.. Kerr isn't 30 points worse than MJ on defense, but he is on offense

Troll

As if Kerr takes as many FGA as MJ

You're so dumb :lol

[Mr Exlax]

Pippen was also tasked with defending the opposing team's best offensive threat. Again I feel like it's deeper than numbers with Pip. Probably because I watched him though

[3ball]

Pippen was also tasked with defending the opposing team's best offensive threat. Again I feel like it's deeper than numbers with Pip. Probably because I watched him though

MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters in the 91' Finals (70%), to Pippen's 6 of 20 quarters (30%) - this is backed up by rea.l gm here (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1261129)

MJ was also the primary defender on Drexler, Payton (game 3 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw) and 5 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg)), Isiah Thomas (all (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc) the time (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53GLDrhMkY)), Reggie Miller, and Rod Strickland (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8)

The only time Pippen was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player in the playoffs was the 96' ECF, where Penny outplayed him (25 ppg)

^^^ So there's the proof that MJ was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player - what examples do you have of pippen being the primary defender that outnumber what was proven for MJ above?.. :biggums:

(in case you want to quickly check yourself, since the games are on YouTube - Pippen didn't guard Magic at all in Games 1 & 5.. Then he guarded him the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters of Game 2... the 2nd and 3rd quarters of Game 3, and the last 4 min of Game 4.. that's 6 of 20 quarters (30%) and consistent with the possession analysis done on rea.lgm)
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[stalkerforlife]

Another one.

[nashwade]

how about opposing team stats during those years?

[AussieSteve]

I think it's worth commenting that Pippen scored more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, with better efficiency than his oposing 2nd option in the 91, 92 and 93 finals, while also being the best defender on the floor. In other words he was better at everything. In 91 he actually scored more points and rebounds than every single Laker.

I would say he was the CLEAR 2nd best player on the floor 2 out of 3 finals in the 1st 3peat, and 3rd behind Barkley in 93.

[SpaceJam]

I think it's worth commenting that Pippen scored more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, with better efficiency than his oposing 2nd option in the 91, 92 and 93 finals, while also being the best defender on the floor. In other words he was better at everything. In 91 he actually scored more points and rebounds than every single Laker.

I would say he was the CLEAR 2nd best player on the floor 2 out of 3 finals in the 1st 3peat, and 3rd behind Barkley in 93.

Good point

[Mr Exlax]

MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters in the 91' Finals (70%), to Pippen's 6 of 20 quarters (30%) - this is backed up by rea.l gm here (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1261129)

MJ was also the primary defender on Drexler, Payton (game 3 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw) and 5 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg)), Isiah Thomas (all (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc) the time (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53GLDrhMkY)), Reggie Miller, and Rod Strickland (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8)

The only time Pippen was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player in the playoffs was the 96' ECF, where Penny outplayed him (25 ppg)

^^^ So there's the proof that MJ was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player - what examples do you have of pippen being the primary defender that outnumber what was proven for MJ above?.. :biggums:

(in case you want to quickly check yourself, since the games are on YouTube - Pippen didn't guard Magic at all in Games 1 & 5.. Then he guarded him the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters of Game 2... the 2nd and 3rd quarters of Game 3, and the last 4 min of Game 4.. that's 6 of 20 quarters (30%) and consistent with the possession analysis done on rea.lgm)
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You're looking at certain times now. I'm speaking on career. This isn't a debate though. Spin it however works for you.

[andgar923]

Pippen was also tasked with defending the opposing team's best offensive threat. Again I feel like it's deeper than numbers with Pip. Probably because I watched him though
Why isn

[andgar923]

Pippen was also tasked with defending the opposing team's best offensive threat. Again I feel like it's deeper than numbers with Pip. Probably because I watched him though
Also, true some of Pip

[superduper]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Also, true some of Pip

[Indian guy]

Wade and Pippen's playoff numbers in their Finals runs with LeBron/MJ would be a fairer comparison and less cherry-picky.

Pippen (91-93, 96-98): 19/8/6 on 52% TS + 2 stls, 1 blk
Dwyane Wade (11-14): 20/5/4 on 54% TS + 1.6 stls, 1 blk

[ImKobe]

Wade's a top 20 all-time talent, one of the best 2-way players in league history.

Pippen's a little better Draymond Green/Iguodala, even then it's not that much better if we're being honest. How good would have Iggy or Green been under 90s rules on the defensive end?

[Indian guy]

:oldlol: @ pretending Wade's still some superstar by 2012. He's clearly not and 91-96 Pippen is comfortably better than 12-14 Wade.

[ImKobe]

:oldlol: @ pretending Wade's still some superstar by 2012. He's clearly not and 91-96 Pippen is comfortably better than 12-14 Wade.

2012 Wade averaged more points and blocks than Pippen ever did and he only played 33 mpg. Wade was still as good as he was in 2011, but he was willing to let James dominate the ball more and focused more on defense, he was in a lot of ways better than his 2011 self. They were down 1 - 2 to Indiana and he just went god mode against them in 3 straight wins.

[3ball]

You're looking at certain times now.


I'm looking at "certain" times?

I'm looking at the times MJ guarded Magic versus Pippen

And MJ guarded him twice (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1261129) as much in the 91' Finals - he was Magic's primary defender, and Pippen did spot duty





I'm speaking on career. This isn't a debate though. Spin it however works for you.


The "Pippen guarded the best player" notion is a RECENT narrative created by Kobe/Lebron media to bring down MJ - it relies on people simply forgetting because MJ played so long ago

But the historical record is public information - so we can all see that there aren't examples of Pippen as the primary defender on the opponent's best player, but there are tons for Jordan, who guarded Magic literally twice as much as Pippen did

That means he was assigned to the best player, not Pippen
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